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Milkman by Anna Burns
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it was amazing
bookshelves: man-booker, havanas-en-masse, monster-mash-of-a-mess

"She didn't want the truth. All she wanted was confirmation of the rumour."

This novel consumed me for three days. "Reading-While-Walking", a feature that isolates the main character of Milkman as she faces the mainstream intolerance of her "totalitarian community", was copied by me in a ridiculously literal way, as was the deliberate ignoring of all reality going on outside the pink covers of my book. This novel would not have been the choice of Middle Sister, who preferred to demonstrate her contempt for contemporary political issues by reading only 19th century authors. Actually, it would not have been my choice either, stupidly convinced as I was that the Man Booker is a mediocrity stamp, a badge of dishonour signalling conformity and adjustment rather than "Reading-While-Walking"-absorption into a world so strange, and yet so familiar as to make all else fade.

Why does this novel shine so pink in my head?

It is easy to say why one dislikes certain writing styles, characters or plots. But to turn it all around and explain comprehensively what makes one adore a novel beyond rhyme and reason, that is personal and mysterious.

Middle Sister is haunted by a rigid dystopian Anglo-Saxon society quickly deteriorating into partisan violence and regressive gender roles. She fails to commit fully to the social codes expected of her, and as a result, she is rejected by a community spreading overpowering rumours about her and her alleged association with Milkman, a local gangster who uses his masculine, violent power to force her into a corner where truth doesn't matter:

"I came to understand how much I'd been thwarted into a carefully constructed nothingness by that man. Also by the community, by the very mental atmosphere, that minutiae of invasion."

By keeping the environment vague, and the characters anonymous, nameless, just indicated by their relationship roles (middle sister, maybe boyfriend, ma), the story becomes universal, and the circumstances transferable to any struggling society.

Violence engenders violence.

Suppression of sexuality engenders religious bigotry and conflict.

Rigid and unequal gender roles suppress individual choices and needs.

Partisanship deletes community building efforts.

Totalitarian rules and regulations destroy intelligent discussions.

But somewhere underneath the surface, human beings continue to hope for passion and meaning. An ex-pious, angry mother can reinvent herself at the age of 50 if she finds something, or someone, to make existence desirable again. Being aware of life and its intricacies can be a quality in itself, even if all seems lost at times.

Middle Sister almost nearly laughed when I left her. I definitely did. What a refreshing, hopeful note to start my reading year on: a pink book full of reflection, wisdom and just plain, simple, good storytelling.

Recommended to those who walk and read!
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Reading Progress

December 30, 2018 – Started Reading
December 30, 2018 – Shelved
December 30, 2018 – Shelved as: man-booker
January 2, 2019 – Shelved as: havanas-en-masse
January 2, 2019 – Shelved as: monster-mash-of-a-mess
January 2, 2019 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Fionnuala (new) - added it

Fionnuala I'm very glad to know you were completely absorbed by this book, Lisa � it's provoked so many different reactions that I don't know what to expect from friends who read it.
But I kind of knew you'd be on board with it because the narrator is a clear-sighted rebel like yourself!
And your analysis of the narrative is perfect. Exactly what I'd like to have said myself � if only I hadn't had the 'flu!


Lisa Fionnuala wrote: "I'm very glad to know you were completely absorbed by this book, Lisa � it's provoked so many different reactions that I don't know what to expect from friends who read it.
But I kind of knew you'..."


It was flu review that put me on the milk track, Fionnuala. I am very grateful to you for getting me excited. The magazine reviews I read before don't match the book at all in my opinion. I may well have identified a tiny bit with Middle Sister - she had the right mix of trying to change and worrying to steal my heart. A Dystopian Dona Quixote!


message 3: by withdrawn (new)

withdrawn A great review to start off the year Lisa but then, “A Dystopian Dona Quixote�? That good? With a happy ending? Should I be running out into the cold to buy the book?


Lisa RK-ïsme wrote: "A great review to start off the year Lisa but then, “A Dystopian Dona Quixote�? That good? With a happy ending? Should I be running out into the cold to buy the book?"

If it is reasonably wintry but not brutally cold (we had a snow storm last night, but it is calm now), and if you have a bookshop that might have it in stock, you could just as well take a walk, RK. Middle Sister is, on deeper reflection, something like an Anti-Quixote, trying to fight the fictions of her community, to stay sane and to mind her own business in a notoriously meddling political environment. All she wants to do is read her novels without being attacked by windmills. She almost laughs in the rnd because she resigns herself to running between them. Sort of.


message 5: by withdrawn (new)

withdrawn I guess I’ll head out then. It’s -13C but with no wind. (Thus no wind chill nor windmill attacks.)


Lisa RK-ïsme wrote: "I guess I’ll head out then. It’s -13C but with no wind. (Thus no wind chill nor windmill attacks.)"

Be careful! Some windmills are devious and pretend to be pretty harmless.


Rachel SO glad you loved this one Lisa! It was my book of the year for 2018. Loved your spot-on observations!


Anna To echo Rachel's words - it was my book of the year for 2018, too! And, frankly, probably my favorite book of the last five years or so. Really glad you liked it!


Lisa Rachel wrote: "SO glad you loved this one Lisa! It was my book of the year for 2018. Loved your spot-on observations!"

Thanks, Rachel! I am still blown away - to the extentthat I encouraged RK to get out in -13°C to get a copy. Completely unexpected pleasure!


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withdrawn But I got my copy with no frostbite and the windmills were still.


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withdrawn But now I have to wait for my spouse to read it.


message 12: by Hugh (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hugh A lovely review of my favourite book of 2018. Interesting that you felt the universal dystopia worked - for me it is only a thinly veiled version of the Belfast Burns grew up in...


message 13: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Anna wrote: "To echo Rachel's words - it was my book of the year for 2018, too! And, frankly, probably my favorite book of the last five years or so. Really glad you liked it!"

It really was that good. And I have to admit not being spoiled with recent great contemporary reads, it catapulted my hope in literature right up to the skies again. So watch me fall with my next attempt, hehehe!


message 14: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa RK-ïsme wrote: "But now I have to wait for my spouse to read it."

Of course - one has to take the book-eating house goblins into account in each adventure (referring to my own kids now, not to your spouse!). The cover conveniently put my omnivorous 16-year-old off the Milkman because he thought it was romance. However, my oh-ing and ah-ing and general mental absence made him suspicious, so now he will read it.


message 15: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Hugh wrote: "A lovely review of my favourite book of 2018. Interesting that you felt the universal dystopia worked - for me it is only a thinly veiled version of the Belfast Burns grew up in..."

I saw the references, but as I don't know enough about that particular history, I focused more on the general characteristics of power and partisanship as well as sexual relations in political context. I guess it is the same as with 1984, it was clearly written with a specific political system in mind, but works for any dictatorship of the mind.


message 16: by Ray (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ray Like you I have a healthy suspicion of award winners, so I am pleased for you that this was a successful read. One question - I have read in one review that this is a difficult, almost inaccessible read - is this your view?


message 17: by Fran (new)

Fran Great review, Lisa....Happy New Year!


message 18: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Ray wrote: "Like you I have a healthy suspicion of award winners, so I am pleased for you that this was a successful read. One question - I have read in one review that this is a difficult, almost inaccessible..."

Absolutely not. I was actually confused by that idea, which I had read before starting it as well. It is good, wellwritten fiction, but not in any way inaccessible. I was reflecting on that quite a lot while reading, and my conclusion was that the reviews stressing the difficulties of the novel had a readership in mind which needs flat and basic storylines. The kind of storylines that have infuriated me in some Pulitzers and Bookers over the years. So my take on Milkman is that we are getting back to quality. (The 2018 Pulitzer was in the other category for me - could have been amazing, if it wasn't so twodimensional).


message 19: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Fran wrote: "Great review, Lisa....Happy New Year!"

Thank you, Fran! Happy New Year to you as well!


Lisa (NY) Very compelling review Lisa - I will need to read this.


message 21: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Lisa wrote: "Very compelling review Lisa - I will need to read this."

Thanks, Lisa, and I hope you will!


message 22: by Lyn (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lyn Elliott Wonderful review, Lisa. I will read it - have been doubtful but see it needs to go on my list.


message 23: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Lyn wrote: "Wonderful review, Lisa. I will read it - have been doubtful but see it needs to go on my list."

Happy to hear that, Lyn! Well worth every minute spent on it.


message 24: by Agnieszka (new) - added it

Agnieszka Wonderful review, Lisa. I've added this one already because of Fio's write-up but I'm glad to see it had your approval either. Very well done.


message 25: by [deleted user] (new)

Wonderfully persuasive piece, my dear. Just like Agnieszka, I’ve made a serious mental note of this book because of Fionnuala’s take on it but a part of me remains mistrustful as my thoughts on the Man Booker Prize align with yours rather perfectly... But then again, can Irish authors ever get it wrong? Not in my reading experience, no.


message 26: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Agnieszka wrote: "Wonderful review, Lisa. I've added this one already because of Fio's write-up but I'm glad to see it had your approval either. Very well done."

Thank you, Agnieszka! I believe Fionnuala started a movement there, for she definitely made me challenge my Booker phobia and try this!


message 27: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa T for Tongue-tied wrote: "Wonderfully persuasive piece, my dear. Just like Agnieszka, I’ve made a serious mental note of this book because of Fionnuala’s take on it but a part of me remains mistrustful as my thoughts on the..."

The colour of the cover, T!


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Lisa wrote: "T for Tongue-tied wrote: "Wonderfully persuasive piece, my dear. Just like Agnieszka, I’ve made a serious mental note of this book because of Fionnuala’s take on it but a part of me remains mistrus..."

Ha! Don’t think for a second it went unnoticed :)


message 29: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa T for Tongue-tied wrote: "Lisa wrote: "T for Tongue-tied wrote: "Wonderfully persuasive piece, my dear. Just like Agnieszka, I’ve made a serious mental note of this book because of Fionnuala’s take on it but a part of me re..."

I couldn't resist :-)


message 30: by Ken (new) - added it

Ken Really narrowing it down, recommending this to "those who walk and read." Ha! Just saw it as part of Barnes & Ignoble's "3 for $30" promo, too. Tempting....


message 31: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Ken wrote: "Really narrowing it down, recommending this to "those who walk and read." Ha! Just saw it as part of Barnes & Ignoble's "3 for $30" promo, too. Tempting...."

Well, it was meant to be those who read while walking. But I actually think I might open it up a bit and recommend it to those who sit or lie down to read as well, as it is really quite good.
Apropos Barnes&Noble. I had the most depressing experience there 2.5 years ago with my kids. In Manhattan, reading while walking, we entered the big Barnes and Noble (think 42nd Str) and thought we would have an epic experience. Not so. Full of bestsellers but no extravagant or vintage choices on offer at all. We quickly left again ... Waterstones at Piccadilly won big time.


message 32: by Ken (new) - added it

Ken Yeah, Barnes & Noble does itself no favors as the last big brick & mortar standing between Amazon and a conquered world. I try to support them online to keep amazon honest, but I'm not convinced amazon cares about honesty. Or us. Or writers.


message 33: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Ken wrote: "Yeah, Barnes & Noble does itself no favors as the last big brick & mortar standing between Amazon and a conquered world. I try to support them online to keep amazon honest, but I'm not convinced am..."

It is tricky. I try to support our local bookstores as I want them to survive, but increasingly thry try to survive by stockpiling trash fiction - which I won't buy even at cheap online store prices. To find the books I want to read I often have to rely on the big online providers.


Chris Chapman It seems a no brainer to me. With all that square metreage of shop floor, you can keep everyone happy, stock the crowd pleasers and the books for readers-while-walking. I agree Lisa, Waterstones in Piccadilly does that very well! Last time I was there I found the old classic I wanted to buy for a friend, and discovered interesting new ones I hadn’t heard of, temptingly displayed. And there are comfy chairs to sit in and leaf through... wow I may be taking myself into going right now ... (and yes too, Lisa, Milkman is a joy! Don’t write off the booker yet ... have you read Marlon James?)


message 35: by [deleted user] (new)

Can I just add � on top of everything else that speaks an utter goodness to me (including a nice bar on 5th floor), Waterstones Piccadilly has a magnificent independent publishers section. Many of my Dalkey Archive books come from that place, despite being obscurely niche.


message 36: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Chris wrote: "It seems a no brainer to me. With all that square metreage of shop floor, you can keep everyone happy, stock the crowd pleasers and the books for readers-while-walking. I agree Lisa, Waterstones in..."

Marlon James is up next - forever the idealist, I keep trying, and one good Booker ruins my pessimism for months, hahaha! And you just added to my hopeless hopefulness by mentioning him, Chris!


message 37: by Ken (new) - added it

Ken Lisa wrote: "Ken wrote: "Yeah, Barnes & Noble does itself no favors as the last big brick & mortar standing between Amazon and a conquered world. I try to support them online to keep amazon honest, but I'm not ..."

Alas, I have not been in London since 1982, so Waterstone's is a long way away. Ah, well. There's memory, anyway....


message 38: by · (new) - rated it 5 stars

· Magnificent analysis of what makes this novel sooo NOT mediocre and conformist. Thanks Lisa for helping me revisit my own enthusiasm for this one.


message 39: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa T for Tongue-tied wrote: "Can I just add � on top of everything else that speaks an utter goodness to me (including a nice bar on 5th floor), Waterstones Piccadilly has a magnificent independent publishers section. Many of ..."

I will try the bar next time. Last time I was busy keeping track of three kids on three different floors and four ridiculous piles of books that challenged our flight home... The bar would come cheaper!


message 40: by Ann (new) - rated it 3 stars

Ann It wasn’t dystopian. It’s Ireland in the 70s.


message 41: by Jaline (new) - added it

Jaline Beautiful review, Lisa! This is also very encouraging as the reviews have been mixed. Now I want to read this again! 💐😊


message 42: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa ·· wrote: "Magnificent analysis of what makes this novel sooo NOT mediocre and conformist. Thanks Lisa for helping me revisit my own enthusiasm for this one."

Thank you, Karen!


message 43: by Hugh (last edited Jan 07, 2019 03:24AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hugh Ann wrote: "It wasn’t dystopian. It’s Ireland in the 70s."

Well yes, the setting and situation are clearly modelled on late 70s Belfast, and much of what Burns vividly described really happened, but I am sure that she intended to make it more universal, and this dictated many of the quirks and mannerisms of the narrative voice. The blurb also encourages the reader to see the more dystopian elements, but I agree that anyone familiar with the Troubles will see what inspired it...


message 44: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Jaline wrote: "Beautiful review, Lisa! This is also very encouraging as the reviews have been mixed. Now I want to read this again! 💐😊"

Thank you, Jaline!


message 45: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Hugh wrote: "Ann wrote: "It wasn’t dystopian. It’s Ireland in the 70s."

Well yes, the setting and situation are clearly modelled on late 70s Belfast, and much of what Burns vividly described really happened, b..."


The vagueness of the characters is one of the major strengths of the novel. It makes sure you see the bigger picture of human violence and hatred rather than a specific situation, even though the setting remains recognisable. I don't think it would be as strong if it insisted on the historical details rather than the general human issues actually.


message 46: by Lisa (last edited Jan 06, 2019 11:00PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Ann wrote: "It wasn’t dystopian. It’s Ireland in the 70s."

I will have to study that phase in history a bit more closely.


message 47: by Dermot (new) - added it

Dermot The Renouncers wouldn't like you describing Belfast as an "Anglo Saxon society" ;-)


message 48: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Dermot wrote: "The Renouncers wouldn't like you describing Belfast as an "Anglo Saxon society" ;-)"

Well, it is a privilege of the outsider not to be part of the tribal vocabulary distinction. One can identify with defenders and renouncers in their human conflict :-)


message 49: by Fionnuala (new) - added it

Fionnuala I find comments #47 and #48 almost like an episode from the book � and I don't mean that in any negative way, Lisa and Dermot, but, Dermot, you've caught the tone that the narrator would give one group or the other as they set the rules for their society brilliantly. And Lisa, you've answered with middle sister's spirit.
But I do agree that it's factually inaccurate to describe Belfast as a completely Anglo-Saxon society � though there's a kind of puritanism in the air as Anna Burns describes it which felt Anglo Saxon to me. And while a section of the population are Celtic through and through, another section are descended from people who came from the Scottish Lowlands � rather than the more Celtic Highlands � and must be Anglo Saxon.


message 50: by Hugh (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hugh ... and of course it is much more complex than that really - there have been waves of immigration throughout British and Irish history so very few of us are pure Anglo-Saxon or pure Celtic...


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