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The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
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it was ok
bookshelves: overrated

She Aches Just like a Woman

I’ll start off with something that I thought was interesting (hint: it borders on being annoying). For the first 75 pages, characters move in and out of this book with such swiftness and with no mention of physical description or notable characteristics, it mimics the effect of being at a really crowded party where you meet face after face, name after name and you have no time to process who is who, why they are significant and if you should even bother to remember them; so at the very least, the book is able to imitate the “big-party-greeting� that seems to permeate throughout the lives of the characters, but this only goes so far; that section is one long boring party that requires the minimum amount of your attention to understand what all these vapid, vacuous people are doing and what their current life drama is all about. Sure, there might be a great deal of interesting people moving in and out of your living room, but everyone is so focused on getting plastered drunk (on absinthe mind you), that no one cares about anything but what the most superficial impression of a person can yield.

Whoo, my attempt at a complement turns into a nasty criticism and my struggle to appreciate Hemingway continues.

The Iceberg Theory. Ya’ll know it. It doesn’t bear repeating but I will anyway. The gist of it is, is that in order to involve the reader as the author should, he must properly convey the depth of human emotion by giving the most minute of details, so that the full depth of a scene is communicated implicitly not explicitly. The theory revolves around the idea that feelings unspoken, are more profound than feelings spoken. And up until this point, I couldn’t agree with Hemingway more. How many times can you read a story that gives it all away? What’s the point of feeling the emotion of a story, if we have to be reminded that “John is feeling sad. John cried�. It freezes the drama; the characters go stiff. Yet, I couldn’t disagree more with Hemingway’s execution of the iceberg theory. If words are to allude to a much deeper reservoir of meaning, then shouldn’t each word be dense, double-entendréd and deeply consequential? I am reminded time and time again, that there is a wrong way to take this theory. Plus I am overcome with the feeling that all of poetry operates on this same principle, yet Hemingway writes the most dull and framework prose I’ve ever read. How could someone fully embrace the Iceberg Theory and then write a line like:
“It seemed like a nice cathedral, nice and dim, like Spanish churches�?
A few lines earlier we were told that they are in Spain. So Hemingway writes that the nice churches located in Spain are like nice Spanish churches. Ugh.

Then there are literal chunks of this book that scream look at me! Look how much I researched for this novel!, that contain descriptions making an american tourist of France's handbook seem like a high-octane thrill ride:
“We came unto the Rue du Pot de Fer and followed it along until it brought us to the rigid north and south of the Rue Saint Jacques and then walked south, past Val de Grâce, set back behind the courtyard and the iron fence, to the Boulevard du Port Royal. . . We walked along Port Royal until it became Mountparnasse, and then on past the Lilas, Lavigne’s, and all the little cafés, Damoy’s, crossed the street to the Rotonde, past its lights and tables to the Select.�
This is not what I read fiction for.

There could be a lot of emotional depth coursing underneath all this banal prose, but it is all lost on me. I know that many people find this book to be their favorite of Hemingway, but without much action, where is the pleasure? Which I posit to be Hemingway’s biggest strength. All the bull-fights and the corriendo de los torros were quite strong; they were the only things worthwhile, (view spoiler) I could learn a lot from Hemingway about how to properly write brutal violence or any scene where men face tough adversity. Heck, even the fishing trip is one of the more exciting parts of this book. Hemingway’s strengths are on beautiful display in For Whom the Bell Tolls. This is because the book is set during the Spanish Civil War. I even enjoyed the imitation Castilian Spanish, and needlessly translated dialogue; I felt that Hemingway had achieved a tone that befit the old-time feel of its characters and story, but without much of anything happening in The Sun Also Rises, I can’t say that this would be worth your time.

One last thing, to tie in the review’s title. I couldn’t stand the main female character. Like not even for a few pages. I started to loath her so much, that I started to wonder is this the point?. Now, enough ink has been spilled over Papa Hemingway’s possible sexist leanings, but this is one despicable cock-tease of a female protagonist. Whoever inspired him to feature such a lady to be the only female character in the entire book must have given Hemingway’s heart quite the roller coaster ride. That being said, this book was written in the 20’s. And I have to maintain my rule of thumb that anything written before 1975 containing flagrant sexism or racism must be given a cultural pass. It’s messed up, I know. But I must take the fact that there is a racial slur on every other page of this book with a grain of salt.

As I read this review over, it really seems like I hated this book. Well I did. But there were parts that were great.

So here’s the thing.

I will admit that I’m not one who takes to plot very often. I tend to err on the side of beautiful writing, even if it’s for the sake of beautiful writing. I am willing to admit, at any time, that Hemingway is just not for me. But I’m struggling to understand how Hemingway could be for anyone.

I am always open to having my mind changed. That is what I love about this site. So please, make your case for the Papa! I want to hear why I’m wrong. Bring it on!

Because I want to love Hemingway. I really do.

p.s. ŷ wouldn't let me post my real recommendation.
It should say "I would recommend to: Men who enjoy their women like their bull-fights, wild, violent and leaving a gaping hole where your heart used to be"
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Stephen M If any of you are interested.

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Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I feel less and less like I'm missing anything when it comes to not reading Hemingway.

I LOL'd at the thing about the nice Spanish churches being all nice and Spanishlike in nice Spain.


Stephen M I know. I almost put the book down in disbelief. And yes you are not missing much. I can only recommend "For Whom the Bell Tolls" but don't feel like its a necessary read or anything.


Stephen M Yes, I actually like Snows quite a bit. There is a handful of good writing from Hemingway, but not nearly enough to warrant all the clunkers.

I also love The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber. if you just want a taste of his style, but not a nauseating mouthful.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I read one story -- "A Clean Well Lighted Place" -- it was good but nothing special. Generally stuff like "clear, straightforward, unadorned prose" is just code for "boring, unimaginative crap writing" in my not so humble opinion.


Stephen M Joshua Nomen-Mutatio wrote: "Generally stuff like "clear, straightforward, unadorned prose" is just code for "boring, unimaginative crap writing" in my not so humble opinion. "

I couldn't agree more. I kept thinking, where is all the hard work of description? It doesn't help that this was sandwiched between IJ. But nothing strikes me as impressive with Hemingway's writing. I feel like any writer could strip back their prose enough and pass it off as "terse and powerful". DFW works hard for his prose and it makes all the difference.


message 7: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Feb 04, 2012 04:27PM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio There is a point when writing can be overly ornate but I'd rather someone take the risk of doing that and coming up with something interesting and compelling than just banging out caveman grunts on a keyboard about how Spanish Spain is and then collecting accolades for their fearlessly pissing off the smartypants ivory tower set with their big fancy words. As if the only way to have "heart" is to have the vocabularly and descriptive chops of an 8 year old.


message 8: by Stephen M (last edited Feb 04, 2012 04:51PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Stephen M Ernest Hemingway wrote: “Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don't know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use."

I see the point and I sympathize. But like I said in the review, the execution is completely off.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio You don't have to use big fancy words to describe things interestingly. Raymond Carver is proof positive of that for me. But so are many other writers who don't necessarily have a reputation for being plainspoken. You just have to be imaginative and conscious of variety when it comes to using 'plain' words.


Stephen M Yeah, it's not as simple as Hemingway makes it out to be. You can have extremely nuanced language and poetic descriptions without using "ten-dollar words".

It's just a smokescreen to get away with "I woke up. It was bright out. I breathed the Spainish air from my window which had a view of the plaza. I drank some absinthe and asked the bartender for directions to the nearest bullfight."


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I haven't really read either of them, but I thought Faulkner was known for being like the opposite of Hemingway? Didn't he write super long, ornate sentences? Or are both the stereotypes about these guys just overstated?


message 12: by Stephen M (last edited Feb 04, 2012 04:43PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Stephen M Depends on which Faulkner you read. I think Absalom, Absalom! has a five page sentence or something like that. I adore Faulkner too, he was my first literary love. I'd recommend As I Lay Dying. If you like that then his other's should be enjoyable too. In AILD, there are not very many lofty sentences or ornate uses of language, but it has some great description and, as with all his books, has his singular southern style.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I've been meaning to get to Faulkner for a while (along with approximately 8 million other writers/books). AILD has been on the top of the list.


Stephen M I would love to read a review of it from you. Plus, I have to re-read a Faulkner soon, it has been too long.


s.penkevich Oh man great review. When I read this in high school I really enjoyed it, but you pointed out a few things that I think reading it now would cause me to groan as well. I think what had stuck with me was that the only character who was happy throughout the entire novel was the guy who just got drunk and didn't give a damn. You make some great arguments though.

Oh and to other Stephen, to me it doesn't get much better than Faulkner. I would HIGHLY recommend him, especially Absalom, Absalom. That book is my favorite novel ever!


s.penkevich And by other Stephen I meant Joshua. iPods aren't the best way to use this site, I can't seem to edit comments. But it's hard to rock my daughter to sleep with a laptop so iPods it it!


Stephen M Thanks Penky. I was hoping to stir up some controversy on this thread, but so far it's all been Papa dissenters. Oh, Hemingway.


message 18: by Stephen M (last edited Feb 04, 2012 05:50PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Stephen M s.penkevich wrote: "And by other Stephen I meant Joshua. iPods aren't the best way to use this site, I can't seem to edit comments. But it's hard to rock my daughter to sleep with a laptop so iPods it it!"

That's great. My dad should've goodreaded while putting me to sleep. He would just sing "you can't always get what you want", which is pretty close on the 'cool dad meter' to GR-ing at bed time.


s.penkevich Stephen M wrote: "Thanks Penky. I was hoping to stir up some controversy on this thread, but so far it's all been Papa dissenters. Oh, Hemingway."

I do love some Hemingway though, mostly his short stories. Snows was awesome and I always dug Two-Hearted River mostly because it's about Michigan and I've fly fished that river. However, Hemingway was all read in High School and I didn't have all the literature under my belt then. Compared to the huge Jane Austen unit we did right before reading Sun Also Rises my sophomore year, this was excellent.

Nice, good song choice. Tilly gets Neil Young sung to her while I GR and play Words with Friends ha.


Stephen M She's being raised right haha.

I can completely understand that Hemingway would be great in the light of Jane Austen. I think we may have talked before about the literature that got us into the harder stuff? Hemingway is a good example of that. So it's helpful for getting started with reading, I suppose. I struggle with it now.


s.penkevich Yeah, I could see that. I've actually never read For Whom The Bell Tolls though, shameful I know, so I wonder if when I get around to it, Hemingway will have faded for me. I read Old Man and the Sea a year or two ago and I enjoyed that, but it had all the symbolism and allegory to keep me happy.


Stephen M That's good to hear. As I've said, I'm always open to Hemingway, but I just thought Man and the Sea was okay. Nothing special.


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Terrific review, Stephen. Really loved the first paragraph.

When I first read it I thought I really liked this book and a few days later I realised that I didn't.


message 24: by Stephen M (last edited Mar 17, 2012 11:17AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Stephen M Thanks man this is one of my somewhat readable reviews.

Was there anything specific about why you liked it at first and then not later?


message 25: by Lisa (last edited Aug 15, 2012 02:24PM) (new)

Lisa Reads & Reviews Hemingway was known to be cool, but I like the Dos Equis man better:



message 26: by Selma (new) - rated it 1 star

Selma This review says it all for me. I was so looking forward to finally picking up Hemingway that I'm absolutely pissed at how boring he actually is. And cocky too. I don't see how people can love him or this book!


Nancy Excellent review. I agree to the letter. Having just finished "the Paris wife", I picked up sun also rises, needing to know how a selfish man thought. Remember that before this book, he hadn't made it big. The editing out of flowery prose was seemingly done by his compatriots, like an experiment in someone else's dream. One can imagine he was highly stylistically influenced, even controlled by the likes of M Stein... That may account for the "Spanish churches" vs. "walking thru streets" level of detail inconsistencies. He made it big because this oversimplified, callous style was new, untested, and clearly...raw. Like a raw vegetable diet. It makes the news but how satisfying is it?


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Traveller Loved the review.

And I have to maintain my rule of thumb that anything written before 1975 containing flagrant sexism or racism must be given a cultural pass.

I make my rule from around 1965-ish. Honestly, the sixties was the time of flower power and the inception of PC-ness. So anyone after 1970 just does not have an excuse as far as I'm concerned.


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Sketchbook Political Incorrectness started w The Bible.


message 30: by Traveller (new)

Traveller Sketchbook wrote: "Political Incorrectness started w The Bible."

Ha! Good one. Yes, it certainly teems with racism and sexism, sadly.


message 31: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul The comment about him showing off his research, he actually lived in Paris as a journalist, the book is partly based on that


message 32: by Eva (new) - rated it 1 star

Eva Thieme "I am willing to admit, at any time, that Hemingway is just not for me. But I’m struggling to understand how Hemingway could be for anyone." - very well said!


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Mani M I feel like im wasting my time reading this book. I kept turning the pages in hopes that the book is building up to something substantial but i feel like I'm reading more about which street the characters are on and where they turn or which cafe they go to than their deep feeling. why do i care about one street name after the other? how do I gain anything reading street names? i'm so frustrated, i could have spent the time reading another great book.. sorry had to vent.


George Stone It's funny - the example of the dim, Spanish church works for me. Why? Because the only description is dim - iceberg right there. Normally when I think of a dim place during the day I think dive bar. It could be literally an absence of light but I think he was going for a lot more.
I do love your last paragraph of your review - wish they would let you post that.


Warwick Whoa! I quoted the exact same paragraph about street names in Paris. Although in my case it was because I rather liked it�


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Heidi Attwood “Compliment�, not “complement�.


ʕっĢᴥ•ʔっ Great point about the "iceberg theory." I often use it, especially in short fiction, but all the individual words are pulling their weight.


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