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White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism
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We had a Native American come to a group that I attend, and the first words out of his mouth were, “I hate blacks.� I wasn’t there, but it was my understanding that the leader of the group gave him hell, how much hell I do not know. But no one else spoke up, and this bothered him. I heard this story and ran into him the following week when he sat down at the table where we were having breakfast. When he said that he was from Tulsa, I said, “When I think of Tulsa I think of the race riot in 1920 when the white people burned down the black town in Tulsa, a large neighborhood with stores, doctors, lawyers, ministers, shop keepers, etc, and they killed men, women, and children.� I was trying to see for myself where this man would go with what I was telling him. He claimed that it was the black man’s fault, so I said, “If it was, there was no excuse to kill everyone they found and burn down their town.� I went on to say that I had read books on the riot, now called a “massacre,� and I didn’t see it as any black man’s fault. He felt that we should not even be talking about something that happened `100 years ago. I said, “They do because they have been traumatized.: I am not quick on conversations like this, but I would have added, :and they still are being traumatized due to senseless killings, etc. � He said then that he didn’t like talking about race because he has been accused of being racist. When he got up from the table where we were sitting, he said that the KKK were good people, but I didn’t hear him; instead I my friend, who was sitting next to me, told me his last words.
So, I talked with the group leader, saying that people don’t know what racism is, that if they believe it to be true that a certain race is lazy or violent, etc. they don’t consider themselves to be racists. I added that we need a lecture on it. He said that people don’t listen to him because he is brown. I replied, “My ex white friends didn’t listen to me either, even though they believed I was completely white.� Well, the next time we had that group meeting, the racist man wasn’t there, but the leader talked about racism. It was this book that he used, so I got it.
I am sorry to say this: I didn’t care for this book sometimes her language was above my level of understanding. But then I felt myself getting pushed out of shape because it felt like she wanted to show everyone in her group that they were all racists. Maybe I am wrong here.
I am sure if I were in this author’s group she would believe that I was a racist, that is just what I felt when reading this book, although I consider myself an anti-racist. A white person couldn’t win. She seems to give no credit where credit is due.
One woman had said that she had friends who were black and on and on. The author was not impressed. So, I suppose you can’t say that you dated black men or Hispanic, etc. or that you were even married to one.
Back to the group that I attend weekly: Someone in our group brought up the governor, the one who wore black face in college. One person felt he should step down, I said, “I didn’t think so.� I didn’t add this: “We all make mistakes. I am interested in what kind of person he is now. Is he doing good?� But I imagine that this person felt that I was a racist. And this is the problem in our society now: people are looking to accuse others of racism, and I feel that that is what this author is doing too.
I have a white friend that I have known since my college days. She only dated black men, and she had a daughter from a black man. She used to say that black people were always late for appointments, and she called it “BP Time, Black People’s Time.� I imagine that she would be called a racist too, not someone who is just making generalizations.
Update: I decided last night to listen to parts of the book again, and came upon a chapter called “White tears,� tears that white women have when they see violence performed on black people. She claims that white tears are how white people lament on how hard racism is on them, and to back up her beliefs she says that other writers have commented on this too. She says that white women feel entitled to shed them. I listened further, and if any white person in her group begins to cry, they are asked to leave the room, because they are upsetting the black women who can’t stand white people’s tears. Plus, the woman crying is bringing attention to herself. So, I began to feel that she is standing up for the black people, when she should be investigating all of this in the group encounter that she is running. So, now I am really against this book. Most people don’t cry out of white guilt over slavery or to bring attention to themselves or whatever the reason.
Tears come without warning; they are due to compassion, not guilt. I have a hard time believing that white people feel guilty for what their ancestors did in the past. Maybe some do. But most of all we cry when we see pain in others. It doesn’t matter if they are black or white or brown. Who hasn’t felt the pain of the children at the Mexican border who are crying and being torn from their mother’s arms? Well, not everyone does as I have found out. I know of three people, when I mentioned this, immediately brought up how the Democrats behave. They deflected the subject, didn’t care about the children. Perhaps we feel guilty for chasing the Mexicans back to Mexico many years ago. Or for giving these “lazy� Mexicans jobs that the white man didn’t wish to perform, paying them very little and not caring for their medical needs.
I cried at the Wounded Knee museum when I read about the massacre of the Lakota Indians, whom I consider my people, even though I am not Lakota but Cherokee. Did I feel guilty because I wasn’t there? Did I feel guilty because my white ancestors killed them?
I cried when I read about the Tulsa race riot and went to the museum in Tulsa and saw that there was no black town left.
The author can call it what she wants, but I am not buying it. A much better book to read is, Dear White America by Tim Wise. He educates, explains racism without accusing. Any book by him is better than this one. He is a white anti-racist. I would also suggest reading books by black writers or take courses in black history. If fingers are still pointed at the white people, you can be sure that you won’t be blamed. And it will help you to see your own shortcomings without having any white guilt placed on you or be told that you are a racist.
We had a Native American come to a group that I attend, and the first words out of his mouth were, “I hate blacks.� I wasn’t there, but it was my understanding that the leader of the group gave him hell, how much hell I do not know. But no one else spoke up, and this bothered him. I heard this story and ran into him the following week when he sat down at the table where we were having breakfast. When he said that he was from Tulsa, I said, “When I think of Tulsa I think of the race riot in 1920 when the white people burned down the black town in Tulsa, a large neighborhood with stores, doctors, lawyers, ministers, shop keepers, etc, and they killed men, women, and children.� I was trying to see for myself where this man would go with what I was telling him. He claimed that it was the black man’s fault, so I said, “If it was, there was no excuse to kill everyone they found and burn down their town.� I went on to say that I had read books on the riot, now called a “massacre,� and I didn’t see it as any black man’s fault. He felt that we should not even be talking about something that happened `100 years ago. I said, “They do because they have been traumatized.: I am not quick on conversations like this, but I would have added, :and they still are being traumatized due to senseless killings, etc. � He said then that he didn’t like talking about race because he has been accused of being racist. When he got up from the table where we were sitting, he said that the KKK were good people, but I didn’t hear him; instead I my friend, who was sitting next to me, told me his last words.
So, I talked with the group leader, saying that people don’t know what racism is, that if they believe it to be true that a certain race is lazy or violent, etc. they don’t consider themselves to be racists. I added that we need a lecture on it. He said that people don’t listen to him because he is brown. I replied, “My ex white friends didn’t listen to me either, even though they believed I was completely white.� Well, the next time we had that group meeting, the racist man wasn’t there, but the leader talked about racism. It was this book that he used, so I got it.
I am sorry to say this: I didn’t care for this book sometimes her language was above my level of understanding. But then I felt myself getting pushed out of shape because it felt like she wanted to show everyone in her group that they were all racists. Maybe I am wrong here.
I am sure if I were in this author’s group she would believe that I was a racist, that is just what I felt when reading this book, although I consider myself an anti-racist. A white person couldn’t win. She seems to give no credit where credit is due.
One woman had said that she had friends who were black and on and on. The author was not impressed. So, I suppose you can’t say that you dated black men or Hispanic, etc. or that you were even married to one.
Back to the group that I attend weekly: Someone in our group brought up the governor, the one who wore black face in college. One person felt he should step down, I said, “I didn’t think so.� I didn’t add this: “We all make mistakes. I am interested in what kind of person he is now. Is he doing good?� But I imagine that this person felt that I was a racist. And this is the problem in our society now: people are looking to accuse others of racism, and I feel that that is what this author is doing too.
I have a white friend that I have known since my college days. She only dated black men, and she had a daughter from a black man. She used to say that black people were always late for appointments, and she called it “BP Time, Black People’s Time.� I imagine that she would be called a racist too, not someone who is just making generalizations.
Update: I decided last night to listen to parts of the book again, and came upon a chapter called “White tears,� tears that white women have when they see violence performed on black people. She claims that white tears are how white people lament on how hard racism is on them, and to back up her beliefs she says that other writers have commented on this too. She says that white women feel entitled to shed them. I listened further, and if any white person in her group begins to cry, they are asked to leave the room, because they are upsetting the black women who can’t stand white people’s tears. Plus, the woman crying is bringing attention to herself. So, I began to feel that she is standing up for the black people, when she should be investigating all of this in the group encounter that she is running. So, now I am really against this book. Most people don’t cry out of white guilt over slavery or to bring attention to themselves or whatever the reason.
Tears come without warning; they are due to compassion, not guilt. I have a hard time believing that white people feel guilty for what their ancestors did in the past. Maybe some do. But most of all we cry when we see pain in others. It doesn’t matter if they are black or white or brown. Who hasn’t felt the pain of the children at the Mexican border who are crying and being torn from their mother’s arms? Well, not everyone does as I have found out. I know of three people, when I mentioned this, immediately brought up how the Democrats behave. They deflected the subject, didn’t care about the children. Perhaps we feel guilty for chasing the Mexicans back to Mexico many years ago. Or for giving these “lazy� Mexicans jobs that the white man didn’t wish to perform, paying them very little and not caring for their medical needs.
I cried at the Wounded Knee museum when I read about the massacre of the Lakota Indians, whom I consider my people, even though I am not Lakota but Cherokee. Did I feel guilty because I wasn’t there? Did I feel guilty because my white ancestors killed them?
I cried when I read about the Tulsa race riot and went to the museum in Tulsa and saw that there was no black town left.
The author can call it what she wants, but I am not buying it. A much better book to read is, Dear White America by Tim Wise. He educates, explains racism without accusing. Any book by him is better than this one. He is a white anti-racist. I would also suggest reading books by black writers or take courses in black history. If fingers are still pointed at the white people, you can be sure that you won’t be blamed. And it will help you to see your own shortcomings without having any white guilt placed on you or be told that you are a racist.
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I work closely with our local department of public health. They have hired this author as a consultant to do a series of trainings for nonprofit and medical service providers. Needless to say, I have many mixed feelings about this decision.
Your comments about tears are so on-point!

Anyway, I really enjoyed the personal stories that were a big part of this review.




However your use of the phrase "If you are finding reasons why you are not racist and think you deserve credit for it, you have missed the point of this book" - and the kneejerk reactionary slant to that sort of a comment, as well as the triteness of its message - suddenly makes me realize that you probably aren't trying to understand other's points, you are looking for something to condemn. Condemn away, but that just means you are playing the same binary game that both this author and the current presidential administration love playing. I for one don't enjoy that game.
Every adult has issues with prejudice. 'Tis a part of human nature. Is everyone actually racist? I.e. does everyone believe that one race is inferior to another? I for one do not think so.

I don't have to read a book to prove that I am not a racist. I read it for information, but the information was bad. There are far better books on tis subject, like I said. Some of those books are written by Tim Wises.



I love it Mark, i.e. I'm not white.

Hey, I don't seek validation from white people or even black people or anyone. I am an anti-racist and always have been. I still think that the author is full of it. Perhaps if you read more books on black history, you would see how foolish she is.


Okay, I read that chapter a third time. The very premise of this book is to put down liberal democrats as being racists. She is also putting them in a no- win situation. I wonder, what are her politics, her real motives? She also comes across as hostile towards white liberals, although she is white herself. Just that she Insists on proving her points. Instead she is alienating those white people who she believes are just pretending to be anti-racists. I do not believe that she is improving race relations by doing this but may be harming them instead.

Am reading the book, and while I agree with some things she mentions, I feel as if its divisive and tears away the human element and experience. I am also reading Ronald Takakis book, A Different Mirror, and would highly recommend that people give that book a chance. Hope it's ok that I commented on your post.



I want to comment on what you said about tears. I agree with you -- I can't imagine that most people break into tears to gain attention!! If so, they should probably consider a career in acting, because producing tears upon command is very difficult.
In remembering my own experience, any time I have burst into tears in public, I have been primarily very embarrassed. The author of White Fragility would not have to ask me to leave because I would remove myself from the situation out of embarrassment, not guilt or shame. (I was taught that a person should always keep her emotions under control in public. I suspect that's a very white way of being brought up, but I am white, so there you have it.) It seems to me that tears when listening to another's story most often indicate sympathy, even empathy, and this cannot be anything but good, can it?? If I can empathize with you, then I can see the injustice that is a part of your experience, and I will be more likely to find the courage to speak up on your behalf. Creating racial justice and equality cannot be only an intellectual exercise. New ideas take hold when passions as well as minds have been ignited, and tears -- even if from shame or guilt -- are one indication that the walls of old, out-dated ways of thinking have begun to fall. And this is the point of all these books, is it not? To inspire new ways of thinking about human equality and create a better, more just world.
One comment about one of the books I read, "So You Want to Talk About Race," for anyone who is interested: The final chapter is titled, "Talking is great, but what else can I do?" It gives practical suggestions for things a person can do right now to create positive change in our culture and in the lives of persons of color. I found this chapter very helpful and plan to put some of the suggestions into practice immediately in my own (admittedly, very white) life.



After what you and Sue said about that one book I had to buy it.




Petra-X posted a new comment on Jessaka's review of White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism
Cancel culture is a loud and destructive movement that allows no disagreement or discussion, there is only one viewpoint that is acceptable, theirs. And so many people and institutions and companies are frightened to stand out against it and say what they feel, and are open to comments and debate. We are losing freedom if people are too frightened of the consequences of voicing their own opinions. So much respect to you for this excellent review.

But with that being said, most of the time tears are not weapons. From a spiritual perspective they are healing and human. I think its important for white people giving space for POC voices to not center themselves, but to also not censor their emotions.
I listened to a lecture by a black woman who spent a considerable time telling her audience the effects of generational trauma in the black community. Towards the end she asked " if this is what 400 years of slavery and Jim crow laws did to black people, how do you think it shaped white people?" She proceeded to show a very graphic image of a black man who had been lynched and a gathering of proud white folk, & she highlighted in the corner a small white girl gleefully smiling. And she said " that right there is the effect" normal children would be traumatized witnessing a lynching, not smiling. The erasure of empathy was a necessary part of keeping slavery active and racism. White people witnessing the full humanity of others and embodying empathy to the fullest is vital to overcoming racism. My arguement to the author is rejecting the human experience altogether is actually perpetuating the same harm that was structured in racism. Again white people, when holding space for POC need to remember not to center themselves, but still embody empathy to the fullest.


