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Ivanov (Plays for Performance Series)
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'Oh, how easy and simple it all is! But you are mistaken, doctor; in each one of us there are too many springs, too many wheels and cogs for us to judge each other by first impressions or by two or three external indications. I cannot understand you, you cannot understand me, and neither of us can understand himself.'

Anton Chekhov’s The Seagull was the first play I attended in out-of- school context, and I was blown away by it (and not just by the gun shot). It affected me so deeply tears rolled down my cheeks by the end of the play. So when I discovered that Chekhov’s 1887 play Ivanov was on the program of the local cultural centre, I jumped on the chance - it looked the perfect occasion as a means to reconnect with theatre, after a pause of seventeen years without attending any play.
As the performance was presented as an adaptation and even a deconstruction of Chekhov, afterwards I was curious to discover the original text –to which the performance stayed remarkably true, apart from removing a few of the numerous minor characters from the plot � and with it obliterating the symbolism of the card playing in the backdrop of the play which serves as a commentary on the unpredictability of life and fate.
'If an intelligent, educated, and healthy man begins to complain of his lot and go down-hill, there is nothing for him to do but to go on down until he reaches the bottom--there is no hope for him. Where could my salvation come from? How can I save myself? I cannot drink, because it makes my head ache. I never could write bad poetry. I cannot pray for strength and see anything lofty in the languor of my soul. Laziness is laziness and weakness weakness. I can find no other names for them. I am lost, I am lost; there is no doubt of that.'
The 35 year old Nikolai Ivanov is a complex and moody man. Is he guilty � as he repeats over and over again himself � or innocent? His environment � his moribund wife Anna, the doctor Lvov who thinks he is a cold and heartless monster and a fortune-chaser, the brash manager of Ivanov’s estate, Borkin, the Lebedevs, the cynic count Shabelsky (Ivanov’s uncle), Sasha wishing to rescue him � everyone is discussing him, criticising him, loving him � Ivanov is the anti-hero at the centre of the play, but no-one seems to hear what he is trying to say � all are too absorbed by their own dreams and little drama’s. No-one understands what is eating him, why he changed into an prickly, paralyzed man outwardly indifferent to his wife dying and his estate going to ruins by debts and neglect. Ivanov’s motives might not be as low as they look at first glance. Depicting Ivanov’s unrest, melancholy, despair and subsequent inability to take care of himself and of others, pushing everyone away in his shame, Chekhov paints a nowadays utterly recognisable, poignant and convincing portrayal of a state of depression � and how difficult it is for others to respond to it in a meaningful way.
Can love save one from depression? What can one do to help a loved one who is struggling with depression cope? Some of the questions Ivanov rises seem timeless � or rather timely, thinking of present day in which so many struggle with the condition and the pharmaceutical industry grows fat on the profits from selling antidepressants. Michel Houellebecq poses similar questions in his latest novel Serotonin. And as far as Houellebecq and Chekhov suggest answers to these issues, don’t expect them to be of the heartening kind.

'I am a bad, pathetic and worthless individual. One needs to be pathetic, too, worn out and drained by drink, like Pasha, to be still fond of me and to respect me. My God, how I despise myself! I so deeply loathe my voice, my walk, my hands, these clothes, my thoughts. Well, isn't that funny, isn't that shocking? Less than a year ago I was healthy and strong, I was cheerful, tireless, passionate, I worked with these very hands, I could speak to move even Philistines to tears, I could cry when I saw grief, I became indignant when I encountered evil. I knew inspiration, I knew the charm and poetry of quiet nights when from dusk to dawn you sit at your desk or indulge you mind with dreams. I believed, I looked into the future as into the eyes of my own mother... And now, my God, I am exhausted, I do not believe, I spend my days and nights in idleness.'
Ach Ivanov, poor Ivanov, how heavy life can weigh on a man’s shoulders!
'The life of a man is like a flower, blooming so gaily in a field. Then, along comes a goat, he eats it, and the flower is gone!'
Once Chekhov told Tikhonov, a young mining engineer, contemplating Russia, ‘Our cities are without paved streets, our villages poor, our people worn. When we’re young we all chirp fervently like sparrows on a dung heap, but we’re old by the time we’re forty and we start thinking of death. What kind of heroes are we?�
Not everyone can carry the weight of the world.
(paintings by Isaac Levitan (1860-1900) - Anton Chekhov was the artist’s closest friend)
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Anton Chekhov’s The Seagull was the first play I attended in out-of- school context, and I was blown away by it (and not just by the gun shot). It affected me so deeply tears rolled down my cheeks by the end of the play. So when I discovered that Chekhov’s 1887 play Ivanov was on the program of the local cultural centre, I jumped on the chance - it looked the perfect occasion as a means to reconnect with theatre, after a pause of seventeen years without attending any play.
As the performance was presented as an adaptation and even a deconstruction of Chekhov, afterwards I was curious to discover the original text –to which the performance stayed remarkably true, apart from removing a few of the numerous minor characters from the plot � and with it obliterating the symbolism of the card playing in the backdrop of the play which serves as a commentary on the unpredictability of life and fate.
'If an intelligent, educated, and healthy man begins to complain of his lot and go down-hill, there is nothing for him to do but to go on down until he reaches the bottom--there is no hope for him. Where could my salvation come from? How can I save myself? I cannot drink, because it makes my head ache. I never could write bad poetry. I cannot pray for strength and see anything lofty in the languor of my soul. Laziness is laziness and weakness weakness. I can find no other names for them. I am lost, I am lost; there is no doubt of that.'
The 35 year old Nikolai Ivanov is a complex and moody man. Is he guilty � as he repeats over and over again himself � or innocent? His environment � his moribund wife Anna, the doctor Lvov who thinks he is a cold and heartless monster and a fortune-chaser, the brash manager of Ivanov’s estate, Borkin, the Lebedevs, the cynic count Shabelsky (Ivanov’s uncle), Sasha wishing to rescue him � everyone is discussing him, criticising him, loving him � Ivanov is the anti-hero at the centre of the play, but no-one seems to hear what he is trying to say � all are too absorbed by their own dreams and little drama’s. No-one understands what is eating him, why he changed into an prickly, paralyzed man outwardly indifferent to his wife dying and his estate going to ruins by debts and neglect. Ivanov’s motives might not be as low as they look at first glance. Depicting Ivanov’s unrest, melancholy, despair and subsequent inability to take care of himself and of others, pushing everyone away in his shame, Chekhov paints a nowadays utterly recognisable, poignant and convincing portrayal of a state of depression � and how difficult it is for others to respond to it in a meaningful way.
Can love save one from depression? What can one do to help a loved one who is struggling with depression cope? Some of the questions Ivanov rises seem timeless � or rather timely, thinking of present day in which so many struggle with the condition and the pharmaceutical industry grows fat on the profits from selling antidepressants. Michel Houellebecq poses similar questions in his latest novel Serotonin. And as far as Houellebecq and Chekhov suggest answers to these issues, don’t expect them to be of the heartening kind.

'I am a bad, pathetic and worthless individual. One needs to be pathetic, too, worn out and drained by drink, like Pasha, to be still fond of me and to respect me. My God, how I despise myself! I so deeply loathe my voice, my walk, my hands, these clothes, my thoughts. Well, isn't that funny, isn't that shocking? Less than a year ago I was healthy and strong, I was cheerful, tireless, passionate, I worked with these very hands, I could speak to move even Philistines to tears, I could cry when I saw grief, I became indignant when I encountered evil. I knew inspiration, I knew the charm and poetry of quiet nights when from dusk to dawn you sit at your desk or indulge you mind with dreams. I believed, I looked into the future as into the eyes of my own mother... And now, my God, I am exhausted, I do not believe, I spend my days and nights in idleness.'
Ach Ivanov, poor Ivanov, how heavy life can weigh on a man’s shoulders!
'The life of a man is like a flower, blooming so gaily in a field. Then, along comes a goat, he eats it, and the flower is gone!'
Once Chekhov told Tikhonov, a young mining engineer, contemplating Russia, ‘Our cities are without paved streets, our villages poor, our people worn. When we’re young we all chirp fervently like sparrows on a dung heap, but we’re old by the time we’re forty and we start thinking of death. What kind of heroes are we?�
Not everyone can carry the weight of the world.
(paintings by Isaac Levitan (1860-1900) - Anton Chekhov was the artist’s closest friend)
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"With a heavy head,with a slothful spirit,exhausted,overstretched,broken, without faith,without love,without a goal,I roam like a shadow among men and I don't know who I am,why I'm alive,what I want.And I now think that love is nonsense,that embraces are cloying,that there's no sense in work. And everywhere I take with me depression,chill boredom,dissatisfaction, revulsion from life...I am destroyed, irretrievably!�"
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Thank you very much, Fergus, that is very generous of you to say so. What would we be without books, without the insights of masters like Chekhov? He doesn't judge, nor comments on his characters, but tickles the reader to think and emphatize, and see others in a different light.




Thank you, Karen. Even if one sees the gun coming (the audience was even warned for it by an e-mail of the theatre company) such makes it no less affecting.


Glad this resonated with you, Praveen and that we are on the same page on Chekhov : -), thank you very much for your lovely comment! � you are spot on with regard to the way Chekhov presents his characters , here again one suffers from existential ennui and simpler boredom : -). ‘Ivanov� catapulted me back to ‘The Seagull�, for a few reasons I cannot mention without spoiling the story, it is regarded a more crude and melodramatic play (some of the characters are so excessive they get comical, like Borkin or the count) but I still thought it gripping, Ivanov’s suffering on stage touched a chord with me.


Glad you do, Fionnuala :-). I recall talking with JP about Levitan, I wasn't aware he was such a good friend of Chekhov at that moment - and that his life was so short, too...Looking for some dark interior paintings from the 1890ies I stumbled on Levitan's landscape painting, and was stunned - it is like one is swallowed by those landscapes, the desolation in them...

Glad you enjoyed it, Lisa, thank you for reading!

I appreciate the point you made about pharma companies growing fat and I have to say mental health clinicians taking the easy way out by just prescribing medication. If you just mention depression or anxiety you'll walk out with a prescription. Sorry, probably off on a tangent but that issues does bother me working in the sector.

Thank you very much, Tuti! Chekhov was so unsatisfied with this play he wrote seven versions of it, fortunately he didn't decide to destroy it :-).

Thank you very much, Paul. We seem on the same page on Chekhov :-) - I remember my parents went to a musical created on his life and a song on the cd they bought in which the peasants whom he treated without asking money for it praise him as a saint :-) - which I thought a bit funny as he wasn't religious at all..

Thank you very much, Katia - economic language, without sentimentalism, I agree, what a writer Chekhov is�.Sérotonine, if you didn’t get along with Houellebecq very well before you actually need no warning, but this one might turn you off as well, I admit I almost threw the towel (not to say the book as it was a library copy ;p) � bestiality, pedophilia etc galore, but gradually it made me think, on how society makes so many people so sick that they need antidepressants to function more or less (while no more than a band-aid in Houellebecq’s novel, it is a depressing book). Currently around one in ten Belgians take antidepressants, I find such pretty shocking. The Seagull, after thirty years I still see the face of Nina before me, in exaltation, in the last scene..I had the name of ‘Nina� in mind for years for a daughter :-).


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Having Chekhov’s plays and short stories still in prospect for you to read I would consider a reason to cheer, Arkaîos, even if you � like me � identify with that first quote :-)! And if you get stressed or depressed by having to choose, I wouldn’t hesistate to disavow Monsieur Houellebec for a while, even if his novel is an interesting take on our times, at his mostly are :-).

I wonder, Ilse, how many current Russian citizens would take anti-depressants if they were readily available?

Reading about Ivanov's vision of the world and the weight he carries on his shoulders brought a whiff of Tatyana Tolstaya's short stories, which are full of memorable characters full of pathos. I might continue your lead and read some Chekhov after...

Thanks a lot, Steven. I used to love attending a play now and then, but then switched to opera - I loved plays like 'The beauty queen of Lehane' or 'Copenhagen', nowadays such repertoire however seems hard to find in my surroundings. But I will keep my eyes open again from now on :-)!

You are welcome, Arkaîos - they give no answers, as maybe there are none? But both leave the reader with more understanding and empathy, and show there is no use in judging others...

Thank you very much for stopping by and reading, Aravindakshan. If this spurs you to get back to Chekhov, I am happy of having posted it. Ivanov is considered less sophicated than his later plays, but the protagonist's struggling to understand his emotions and numbness touched me deeply. I hope the play will resonate with you too when you would get to it.


Thank you very much, Seemita, glad of sharing some of the better memories of the time of school days with you � reading plays I find particularly interesting after having seen the play, such a staging brings the characters to life, while in this play, in which Ivanov here and there holds rather lengthy soliloquys, the poignancy of his unrest gets more palpable taking the sentences in slowly. Very well put, on the paintings of Levitan, I thought these rather dark ones of him fitting the mood of Ivanov (Levitan has painted beautiful sunny and bright landscapes as well).

Yes, dear Ilse. It is kind of an epidemic in the West currently. Here is it the issue as well, especially between younger people. If H has got a version of the answer why, i will go ahead and swallow the gore. Though otherwise based upon what you are saying I would need and bucket probably:-)
Nina is really good name. It has not been used that often recently unfortunately. It is very touching you've chosen it as a potential one for your daughter based upon Seagul. That is the power of literature, and moreover, the magic of the theatre which is so rare. We always search for it and I am so happy it happened to you so young.

Thank you very much, Peter. With your concerns you are on the same page with a Belgian psycho analyst and professor, Paul Verhaeghe, who writes critical books on the tendency to prescribe ever more medication for mental disorders, while there is no time anymore to look at the real causes of those issues or to look beyond the individual, to working conditions and the effects of eg neoliberalism - he warns this tendencies are reinforced by the current education of psychologists at university, indocrinating the students with the DSM as the bible. Some of his books are translated into English (What about Me? The Struggle for Identity in a Market-based Society , and I look forward to read his two newest ones, Intimiteit and Over normaliteit en andere afwijkingen.

Thanks for the recommendations, Ilse. I love the term 'Struggle for identity in a market-based society'. How much are we controlled by market forces?
Is the group identity more important than the identity of the individual? It is so much easier to label people and put them into boxes for everything from national or race identity to clinical diagnosis.
Yeah, what is normal?

Thank you for stopping by and reading, Michael! Much appreciated!

Indeed, H, he didn't even make it to forty...this snippet on his life touched me: 'Levitan spent the last year of his life at Chekhov’s home in Crimea. In spite of the effects of a terminal illness (he suffered from a heart condition for much of his life), his last works are increasingly filled with light.'
I found this picture of him in a biography on Chekhov, the picture is from 1890:


Thank you very much, Cheryl � if this reminds and maybe tickles you to read Chekhov, I am glad having posted it : -). A Darkness Visible has been patiently waiting on the shelf here for a few years, your appreciation of it make me very curious to get to it, with Ivanov’s voice still chiming in my mind (and that of Bonnie ‘Prince� Billy, I associate with both the book and with depression, I See a Darkness).

Point taken, H –and wouldn’t the authorities be glad with such a soma scenario? What bothers me most thinking of a prosperous little country as Belgium, is that it nevertheless has very high suicide rates.

Reading about Ivanov's vision of the world and the weight he carries on his shoulders brought a whiff of Tatyana Tolstaya's short stories, which are full of memorable characters full of pathos. I might continue your lead and read some Chekhov after... "
Oh, how I look forward to your review and to read that collection of Tolstaya too, Dolors � I saw it a second hand shop two years ago and withstood the temptation, as some of her stories are translated into Dutch, but I was too optimistic on finding them in the local library. I cannot imagine you wouldn’t enjoy reading Chekhov tremendously, reading this play and the story ‘The Black Monk� I read last year reminded me of how much I love his writing, his observations of nature in that story were awesome � ‘Ward No.6� might be next. Afterwards I read the not very enthusiast reviews on the way the play was staged, criticising it as too traditional, but I enjoyed the performance very much, in my opinion the actors presented a good balance between the tragic and the comical, with some funny twists referring to the actual debate on (and demonstrations against) cutting down government support for the cultural sector in Flanders - and a very moving Ivanov. The performance made me put aside other books I was reading to read the play, as I couldn’t get the suffering of Ivanov and its parallels to present day out of my mind…which says something about the impact of the performance :-) thank you very much for dropping by and already sharing a glimpse of your thoughts on Tolstaya Dolors, I await your review with bated breath as I intuit it will be gorgeous and the stories will be right up my alley :-)!

You are very welcome, Carol - I hope you found some cute & lovely videos which offered some counterbalance :-). Attending and reading the play in the same week, (view spoiler) , this got so under my skin our fluffy cat had to endure an overdose of cuddlish love - I look forward to hear your thoughts but be warned you might need some more fluffy softness when you would get to it :-).


Thank you so much for reading and leaving such a supportive comment, Beata. This play reminded me why I love Chekhov so much...

So happy the paintings spoke to you as well, Kimber. Thank you very much for taking the time to read and for leaving such a kind comment, much appreciated!


Glad you liked it, W, thank you for stopping by and reading. I'd love to hear your thoughts if you would get to attend a Chekhov play, he really knew how to go straight to the core of human existence, leaving a lasting impression.