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Normal People by Sally Rooney
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it was amazing
bookshelves: favorites, contemporary
Read 2 times. Last read February 11, 2020 to February 18, 2020.

I tried reading Normal People before but didn’t get very far. Thanks to David's review, I decided to give it another try. And so glad I did! I think I know what caught me out the first time; it was that the writing operates at two different levels: on the one hand, the level of conversations (I’m wondering about Rooney’s first book now, Conversations with Friends), intimate conversations between lovers, for example, but quite often, just ‘normal� conversations, little exchanges between friends, parents and children, conversations which are not about very much, nothing there to suggest that something deep and profound is coming. And that is what may catch you out in Normal People; because it is precisely those moments, moments where the characters try to articulate with difficulty, with lots of ‘I don’t know�, and ‘um�, something about themselves, so deep and profound that it’s hard to put in words, hard to communicate to others. It’s perhaps things that they would rather not have to admit about themselves (such as Connell’s desire to fit in), or things that hurt badly (such as Marianne’s prone-ness to submission). Things that one might perhaps try to say casually, without thinking, but only because it hurts so much to think about for more than a milli-second.

The strength of the book, its exquisite strength, is that beneath these ‘normal� conversations, these ‘um� and ‘I don’t know’s, Rooney makes you hear those profound and intimate things that other writers would take paragraphs of careful, sometimes ponderous, prose to put across. And yet, Rooney does not do what lesser writers do. She never resorts to the cheap tricks of the profession. She constantly keeps those two characters in sight (and a few others but the emphasis is on Marianne and Connell), switching from present tense to past tense almost imperceptibly (and the present tense in narrative is not easy to pull off), focusing on their inner development (which for the most part of the book feels like no development at all but an endless return of the same, only with the roles changed). For example, in the beginning it is Connell who is at ease, socially masterful and comfortable in his own skin; this changes with Marianne being the socially capable one later on. Yet, at no point does this oscillation feel like a redemption as in superficial narratives of self-realisation. Even in the end, there is no final catharsis, but only a small movement which manages, slowly and with setbacks, to break from the initial position of the two characters (their weaknesses, their longing, their desire for conformity) towards something more authentic and more satisfying.

Needless to say, I’m giving the book 5 stars. Not only that, I would like to urge those of you who haven’t read it so far to take the plunge. Maybe you’ll feel like I felt the first time I tried to read it. Hopefully, you won’t. I’m more than happy to discuss this book with those who have already read it or those who will read it soon.
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Reading Progress

Finished Reading (Other Hardcover Edition)
January 9, 2019 – Shelved (Other Hardcover Edition)
January 9, 2019 – Shelved as: to-read (Other Hardcover Edition)
January 9, 2019 – Shelved as: abandoned (Other Hardcover Edition)
February 11, 2020 – Started Reading
February 11, 2020 – Shelved
February 11, 2020 –
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0.0% "I'm re-reading this. I think i can have a more balanced view of it than previously."
February 11, 2020 –
25.0% "I'm not sure why I didn't like it first time round. I was over-hasty. I sometimes do this with novels. Big mistake. I'm now finding this absolutely mesmerising. Rooney's writing is fantastic; she gets under your skin. She takes you with her, wherever she goes. And what are these teenagers that she writes about? They strike me as so different to the teenager I once was, so mature, so much more into life..."
February 14, 2020 –
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February 18, 2020 – Shelved as: favorites
February 18, 2020 – Finished Reading
July 3, 2020 – Shelved as: contemporary

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message 1: by Violet (new) - added it

Violet wells Splendid review, Vicky. I've been curious about this.


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks, Violet, I think it's really worth reading.


Samuel Gordon Absolutely loved your review and I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to what makes this book stand out above the rest.

To tell you the truth, I've been struggling ever since I finished it to put my finger on what I liked about it, and it hasn't been without moments of actually doubting I ever did. Needless to say, I'm still thinking about it so I guess that already makes it better than 99% of most books one comes across in their lifetime.

One thing is for sure, Rooney captured millennial ethos and this book might go down in history as the first work of fiction to document that in print. :)


Vicky "phenkos" Hi Samuel, thanks very much! I guess this book can throw you with the simplicity of its dialogues - I know it did throw me! But I'm not doubting I liked it, I think this is a model of the "show, don't tell" approach in creative writing.

About millennial ethos: I'm trying to get my head around this comparing my own undergrad experiences to what Rooney describes. I think there are considerable similarities: lots of alcohol; a presumption at being grown-up and therefore kind of blase about relationships (as opposed to sex); loads of unacknowledged misogyny. A difference is that young people now tend to mature more quickly (they have to; the safety net is not there any more). A kind of violence towards women, especially by men who feel entitled (Jamie). I don't know, what are your thoughts on this?


Samuel Gordon One scene comes to mind that best captures this is the one where, I think it was Marianne, was scrolling through Facebook condolence messages over their friend's suicide and something about it felt so millennial, especially the part about griefing online and the alienation one can feel on social media. Granted, it's not a significant part of the book, but it was little moments like that for me that just brought it home: This is a novel about millennials by a millennial author who wasn't trying to be preachy or judgemental. It just felt like normal people talking like you so eloquently said. :)


Vicky "phenkos" Samuel wrote: "One scene comes to mind that best captures this is the one where, I think it was Marianne, was scrolling through Facebook condolence messages over their friend's suicide and something about it felt..."

Great point, I know what you mean! I actually had a friend (not very close) who committed suicide, and although we did not write grief messages on her fb page, her former partner did maintain that page for some time afterwards. It felt *very* very* strange, I mean totally uncanny, to be able to see her messages from before the suicide and then. .. nothing. But I can appreciate that it's not the same for the younger generation who have been brought up with fb and other social media because for them it's so much more part of who they are! Thanks, Samuel, I'm so enjoying our exchange!


message 7: by Beata (new)

Beata Wonderful review, Vicky :)) Yes, sometimes another go makes us dive deep into a novel ..


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks Beata, it does indeed!


Dave Schaafsma Great review. Yeah, I loved it, too.


Vicky "phenkos" David wrote: "Great review. Yeah, I loved it, too."

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Maureen Excellent review Vicky, perseverance certainly paid this time around 🤗


Adina (notifications back, log out, clear cache) Excellent review. i will make sure to persevere when I start this novel.


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks, Maureen and Adina!


message 14: by Ilse (new) - added it

Ilse A powerful endorsement, Vicky. It has been hopping on and off my wish-to-read list a few times and is now to stay :-). It might be helpful to get a glimpse of what now puzzles me when observing the millennial generation among my relatives...


Vicky "phenkos" I'd be extremely interested to know your response to this book, as well as what puzzles you with regard to the millennial generation!


Meredith (Trying to catch up!) Wonderful review, Vicky! I am glad you gave this book another try--I enjoyed it too. I love how you describe Rooney's writing. I am interested in reading Conversations with Friends too!


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks so much Meredith! Glad you enjoyed the book too! I've now read Conversations with Friends and really enjoyed it but I still think Normal People is that little bit better. Let me know what you think when you've had the chance to read it.


Meredith (Trying to catch up!) Vicky wrote: "Thanks so much Meredith! Glad you enjoyed the book too! I've now read Conversations with Friends and really enjoyed it but I still think Normal People is that little bit better. Let me know what yo..."

Good to know, Vicky! I will adjust my expectations!


message 19: by Gaurav (new) - added it

Gaurav Beautiful review, Vicky. I've come across the book a few times earlier too but has not really decided to read it. But your review has intrigued me sufficiently enough to add it. Thanks for the review :)


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks, Gaurav, for your kind words, do let me know what you think if you get the chance to read it!


Susan's Reviews Vicky, it took me a while to find your review. Your observations are quite valid and thought provoking. I actually want to reduce my four star rating to a 3.5 after thinking about this a bit more and reading several more reviews. I still feel that Marianne's character was uneven - she could be so shockingly arrogant with teachers and other students and yet was totally inept and unsure when it came to her interactions with Connell and the other students at her high school. It was as if Marianne had multiple personalities: a closet rebellious socialist with a chip on her shoulder; the arrogant loner who, despite believing she is not very attractive, somehow convinces Connell to sleep with her; the avant-garde university student who was popular and got on well with the "rich kid."; and finally the pathetic woman who needs to be dominated and beaten in order to obtain sexual gratification - that last bit left SUCH a sour taste in my mouth. The feminist in me just SHUDDERED! Ironically, I went to the Canadian version of Trinity College. In fact, University of Toronto is divided into colleges and I applied to go to Trinity College - because I was told it was so hard to get into that college: the Scorpio in me couldn't resist the challenge. Now THAT was THE rich kids college out of all the affiliated colleges at U of T. At U of T, you could take classes in any of the colleges, regardless of your "home base" college. I never bothered to do much at Trinity, unless I liked some of the courses on offer there. I had friends from all of the colleges - rich or poor, it didn't seem to matter. There was one young man who asked why I never went to any of the Trinity dances and I think I pulled a Marianne on him and answered that I wasn't interested in hanging with that crowd! Oie! I wasn't being arrogant: it was just the truth. I preferred the more low key pubs and mixed college get-togethers, not that I did that much socializing, though. I used to attend a lot of the student plays and theatricals, etc. - that was more my thing. Note: now that I think of it, a lot of the kids from the other colleges also came from money. We were a mixed bag and got along pretty well. Maybe its a Canadian thing? I think Sally Rooney must be a mixture of Connell and Marianne. (I get a hint that Rooney loves her own writing style, too!!! But there, she does write well, so she is entitled.) Excellent review, Vicky, and I so enjoyed this exchange of thoughts. I will try to find your other reviews on books we've both read. Stay well, Vicky!


Vicky "phenkos" I love your analysis of Marianne's character, Susan! I think that people can sometimes incorporate contradictory elements, though. Intellectual arrogance in a insecure person can sometimes indicate that this person is trying to assert themselves the ony way they can. Similarly, BDSM: a woman can be a feminist, yet enjoy dominance play with her sex partners or act out traumatic experiences. However, the relationship with Jamie did not fit the character. Either Marianne seeks authenticity or she doesn't, and Jamie was such an oaf!

Nice to hear about your experiences at the Canadian Trinity! I preferred the low key pubs too! I remember at some point a bunch of us went to a very working class cafe, where a few dodgy locals (including a foul-mouthed priest) did their drinking and the police kept coming in and out. I guess we were very proud we were socialising with the "underclass" not realising that we must have looked totally out of place in that setting! Happy days, ha ha!


message 23: by Barbara K (new)

Barbara K Brilliant review, Vicky! This has been on and off my radar - and you’ve just put it back on. :-)


message 24: by Vicky (last edited Jul 08, 2020 12:02PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Vicky "phenkos" Thanks, Barbara, looking forward to your thoughts!!


Kathleen Wonderful review!


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks, Kathleen!


Susan's Reviews I was looking at Normal People again and just found your response to my comment. I agree that feminist can also embrace BDSM. I'm just saying that I never did. It was not for me, at all. I'm not a "surrendering"personality, even though I've had a few good relationships. I've always equated "spanking"and dominance with punishment, so BDSM is not for me, at all. But I'm of the live and let live mindset, so I let everyone do their own thing - just not to me. Anyway, I'm "retired" from all those shenanigans, and just enjoy experiencing them vicariously through novels. I hope you are staying well during this historic times!


message 28: by Linda (new) - added it

Linda Great review Vicky. I tried this on audio and it just didn't work. It sounds as if it needs to be read.


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks Linda. Have you tried the tv series by any chance? I haven't, but it got good reviews. I think it's a strange book, my initial response wa snot positive, as I explain in the review, but when I tried again, I was hooked.


message 30: by Linda (new) - added it

Linda Haven't tried the TV series. I think I'll try the print book first.
Thanks for the info.


message 31: by Dave (new) - rated it 5 stars

Dave Schaafsma Yes, read it, book in hand, and then do see the excellent tv series, which she also wrote. But it is all agonizing. they are both such painfully lost characters.


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