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The City We Became (Great Cities, #1)
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Feb 27, 2020
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Read 2 times. Last read May 22, 2021 to June 2, 2021.
2021 (written after the shine wore off): It’s disappointing when on the second read the shine wears off. Leave your darlings alone, I guess?
I love Jemisin’s Broken Earth trilogy with fiery passion that held up on rereads. But this one should have remained a single frenetic read last year (when grappling with pneumonia and burning with fever) because a slower, more focused revisit was a different experience.
What Jemisin does well is passion and anger. What she does less well in this one is subtlety - something that struck me way more this time. Less subtlety and nuance, way more overt stereotyping and therefore more apparent simplicity that makes it predictable and obvious and too on-the-nose preachy � and that killed the impact on a more careful reread for me. The first time around I felt that sometimes subtlety is not needed; this time the lack of it seems over the top, suffocating the rest of the plot in favor of getting the message through. I agree with the message in principle, but this time the manifesto-style bulldozer execution of it, combined with slow story overladen with exposition and characters for all apparent complexity mostly lacking dimension left me a bit bored and dissatisfied, really.
Bottom line: Jemisin can do much better, nuance matters, and the reread made the flaws pop, and I really need to reread her superb The Fifth Season now to restore my faith in her writing.
3-ish stars overall.
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2020 (written before the shine wore off):
Yeah, I didn’t need to worry. Her talent does not disappoint. This book is lovely. It’s objectively good. As different from ’Broken Earth� as you can only imagine - the setting, the mood, the narrative voices - but the gut punch is the same.
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Obviously, this is an ode to New York. One of the world’s best known cities. A country in its own right, size- and spirit-wise. Unique enough to be its own living and breathing entity. Which of course is what happens. Because cities want to be born and live.
Many cities, once they reach a certain point, will try to be born. Only a few will succeed. It is New York’s turn, and it’s avatar has been selected, and São Paulo is there to guide him through this - but things go very wrong. It’s not just the city itself - each of its boroughs has its own avatar, and at least one of them does not want to be a part of a greater whole. And the sinister outside force is The Enemy, and it has the plans of its own.
Jemisin’s worldbuilding again is ridiculously impressive. Her characters are complex, nuanced and realized, and incredibly human - with all the good/bad/ugly that entails.
This also is an angry book. It’s an unapologetic fuck-you to the “racist sexist homophobic dipshits� that are everywhere. It’s not subtle, no, but these things don’t need to be. Because of course people are the worst monsters, especially when they tend to think of themselves as nice ones who only “try to be decent�.
I loved this book. Jemisin is definitely a strong voice in the modern science fiction. 4 stars.
Found this since I wrote the review: discussing, among other things, racism in science fiction and the horrible legacy of H.P. Lovecraft, whose bigotry, racism and antisemitism are truly repulsive. Gives more of a perspective for this book and its answer to Lovecraft.
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My Hugo and Nebula Awards Reading Project 2021: /review/show...
I love Jemisin’s Broken Earth trilogy with fiery passion that held up on rereads. But this one should have remained a single frenetic read last year (when grappling with pneumonia and burning with fever) because a slower, more focused revisit was a different experience.
“Well, now we know what her super-special power is, I guess: magic xenophobia.�
What Jemisin does well is passion and anger. What she does less well in this one is subtlety - something that struck me way more this time. Less subtlety and nuance, way more overt stereotyping and therefore more apparent simplicity that makes it predictable and obvious and too on-the-nose preachy � and that killed the impact on a more careful reread for me. The first time around I felt that sometimes subtlety is not needed; this time the lack of it seems over the top, suffocating the rest of the plot in favor of getting the message through. I agree with the message in principle, but this time the manifesto-style bulldozer execution of it, combined with slow story overladen with exposition and characters for all apparent complexity mostly lacking dimension left me a bit bored and dissatisfied, really.
“So, I mean, it’s awesome that, uh, you’re a city? Congratulations! I want to be accepting of this new stage in your identity formation.�
Bottom line: Jemisin can do much better, nuance matters, and the reread made the flaws pop, and I really need to reread her superb The Fifth Season now to restore my faith in her writing.
3-ish stars overall.
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2020 (written before the shine wore off):
“I have hated this city. I have loved this city. I will fight for this city until it won’t have me anymore. This is my homage to the city. Hope I got it right.�I always start a new book by a favorite writer with a bit of trepidation: Please be good, please stand up to the earlier ones, please deliver that satisfaction that you tend to feel after reading something that is solidly strong writing. With her ‘Broken Earth� books N.K. Jemisin touched something in my soul that has never been the same since. She raised her own bar so dizzyingly high that I was afraid she would not be able to get there again.
~ N.K. Jemisin
Yeah, I didn’t need to worry. Her talent does not disappoint. This book is lovely. It’s objectively good. As different from ’Broken Earth� as you can only imagine - the setting, the mood, the narrative voices - but the gut punch is the same.
—ĔĔĔĔ�-
Obviously, this is an ode to New York. One of the world’s best known cities. A country in its own right, size- and spirit-wise. Unique enough to be its own living and breathing entity. Which of course is what happens. Because cities want to be born and live.
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“Manny’s been in New York for less than an hour and yet he knows, he knows, that cities are organic, dynamic systems. They are built to incorporate newness. But some new things become part of a city, helping it grow and strengthen—while some new things can tear it apart.�
Many cities, once they reach a certain point, will try to be born. Only a few will succeed. It is New York’s turn, and it’s avatar has been selected, and São Paulo is there to guide him through this - but things go very wrong. It’s not just the city itself - each of its boroughs has its own avatar, and at least one of them does not want to be a part of a greater whole. And the sinister outside force is The Enemy, and it has the plans of its own.
“A city is never alone, not really—and this city seems less solitary than most. More like a family: many parts, frequently squabbling� but in the end, against enemies, they come together and protect one another. They must, or die.�
Jemisin’s worldbuilding again is ridiculously impressive. Her characters are complex, nuanced and realized, and incredibly human - with all the good/bad/ugly that entails.
“My God, why are you attacking us?�
“Because I don’t know you,� [she] snaps, “and you were standing on my lawn.�
This also is an angry book. It’s an unapologetic fuck-you to the “racist sexist homophobic dipshits� that are everywhere. It’s not subtle, no, but these things don’t need to be. Because of course people are the worst monsters, especially when they tend to think of themselves as nice ones who only “try to be decent�.
“The alternative is to challenge her own belief that the Woman in White isn’t so bad. This would force her to question her own judgment and biases and find them wanting. And given how hard she has fought lately to feel some kind of belief in herself, she is not ready to doubt again. So it’s fine. Everything is fine.�
I loved this book. Jemisin is definitely a strong voice in the modern science fiction. 4 stars.
“Discovering that one’s roommate is actively undergoing a break with reality is high on the scale of “things one wants to learn before signing the lease.�—ĔĔĔĔ�
Found this since I wrote the review: discussing, among other things, racism in science fiction and the horrible legacy of H.P. Lovecraft, whose bigotry, racism and antisemitism are truly repulsive. Gives more of a perspective for this book and its answer to Lovecraft.
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My Hugo and Nebula Awards Reading Project 2021: /review/show...
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I hope you will love it as much as I did.

That quote is definitely one of the more lighthearted moments of this story.


Not sure if bringing attention to it counts as cancel culture, though. He clearly was a racist bigot, which definitely affects how one perceives the nuances in his writing.

Not sure if bringing attention to it counts as cancel culture, though. He clearly was ..."
Sorry, a bit of a long post incoming.
I can't speak for this book, but at least in my experience, the problem I find with bringing attention to things like Lovecraft's racism - especially in an age of social media - is that it often times is treated like a dead stop in a conversation, either as a means to shut someone down or to prop themselves up for merit. And especially in these current times, whenever some people bring these issues up, it is because they want to excommunicate those things from society. Instead of trying to take those old things and make them better, it's more a case of cutting them out entirely. I remember one article a while ago when the game "Cuphead" came out, that made a big song and dance about the game being problematic because it used the old Fleischer cartoon style for its graphics and a lot of those old cartoons were racist. So by proxy, the game was bad and people should reconsider purchasing it.
It's not that people aren't allowed to dislike things - I once was selling off some books and a woman apologized for not wanting to buy Stranger in a Strange Land off me because Heinlein IHO was a sexist pig - but when the conversation literally becomes only about the author and not the art also, that's where people have problems. You can't have a conversation with someone who only wants to drag a single issue through the mud, not to mention that it often poisons the well for discussion in anything related to that topic.
In a more literary sense, I've also found that especially in these times, when writers attempt to tackle said issues as a direct response to the authors of old and their personal views, their attempts come across as no less hamfisted, immature and smug. The Ballad of Black Tom for me was a massive missed opportunity because it was such a misfire in handling Lovecraft's most racist work and I say that as a fan of Lovecraft. I've little interest in reading Ruthana Emrys's Winter's Tide because it seems like such an obvious Saturday Cartoon Special style novel on the evils of racism and given N.K Jemisin's rather abrasive personality, I'm not even sure if I want to read any of her work.
Sorry for the long comment, just thought I'd add something to the above discussion.

I gotta say - I’m frequently guilty of wanting to cut out things that I perceive as wrong. I could not keep reading Orton Scott Card after I learned about his views, and it forever soured ‘Ender’s Game� for me and made quite a few things it that book see different because the context has changed for me forever. I can’t help it - that’s just the way I read books, and separating art from the artist is not always possible for me, and I don’t always want to, frankly. Sometimes even a single issue can poison the work of art - depending on how much I care about the issue. I’m just not the best at objectivity, I suppose, but I do try when I can.
What makes it easier for me here is that I have never really been a fan of Lovecraft; his writing has never resonated with me, and so with added knowledge of his views I find it easy to dislike him and his.q
Steven wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "In a more literary sense, I've also found that especially in these times, when writers attempt to tackle said issues as a direct response to the authors of old and their personal views, their attempts come across as no less hamfisted, immature and smug."
I have to clarify: this book goes far beyond just a response to Lovecraft and his views. It’s more of a response/backlash to centuries of direct and indirect racism and prejudice, and Lovecraft is just one of the examples of it. Probably chosen because the whole deal with the bust of Lovecraft having been the trophy for World Fantasy Award, with the controversy around that bringing it to light and highlighting his views which otherwise would have probably been unknown to most or forgotten by them. But you don’t need to be familiar with neither Lovecraft’s views nor even with his work in order to see Jemisin’s point.

I gotta say - I’m frequently guilty of wanting to cut out things that I perceive as wrong. I could not keep reading Orton ..."
Thanks for the comment Nataliya.
Totally get where you're coming from with an author's views souring you on a book/series. I'd be a hypocrite if I tried to claim otherwise. I read one of Larry Correia's works, thought it was alright, heard about what he did during the Sad Puppies Campaign against the Hugos, heard about his personal views and it kind of poisoned the well for me.
I think the problem for me comes in the form of those who don't just want to not engage with some form of media; they want others to not engage too, often as a way to validate their opinions/beliefs. I have certain authors I don't like and certain books I don't like, but in no way would I want to deprive others of finding enjoyment from those books and oftentimes I find Cancel Culture - and the whole veil of Moral policing - to be toxic, short-sighted and oftentimes poorly executed. I'm heard about the debacle with the World Fantasy Awards and maybe I don't have all the information, but at no point in that incident did I hear anyone suggesting alternatives to Lovecraft. It was simply "NO LOVECRAFT!" and that's it. And like I said before, that's a brick wall. It offers to way forward except to engender resentment and as we've seen in the years since, plenty of people have made a living off of fostering that resentment.
And that also for me is something I'm curious about with this book. Does Jemisin actually do something with bringing attending to that indirect racism and prejudice? Or does she just bring it up and let it sit and fester? Because to me, that doesn't seem like a very productive way to move forward. Maybe I'm thinking too deep about this, but to me, it's that kind of thinking that has got societies to the current place we're currently in. All this focus on how everything now and before was shit and we're shit and btb subscribe to my Patreon, buy my book, listen to my podcast etc.

Well, both yes and no. It is the first book in a trilogy, so some festering must happen for a while.

Well, both yes and no. It ..."
Hopefully she addresses it. I'm always happy to be proven wrong. :)

But BECAUSE he was such a racist, elitist, misogynistic bigot who transformed his anxieties into stories steeped in existential dread, the literary response to him is some of the richest—and most entertaining—antidotes to systemic prejudice I have ever encountered. See Lovecraft Country, Lavalle’s Ballad of Black Tom and The Changeling. The fact that Jemisin takes this and makes it ultra is delightful, unsurprising given her talent, and necessary.
Sometimes the nastiness of previous eras has to be a doorway If we want to ever leave it behind.

Very well-said, Thea!

The subject matter seemed like she went into the future and discovered what we needed to talk about this year and I am so grateful.

The subjec..."
I would need to revisit it to appreciate the comedic timing.I think in m6 perception Jemisin’s anger expressed in this book overshadowed the fun aspects. Perhaps someday I’ll read it again and pay more attention to the funny aspects of it. But I would have to revisit The Broken Earth series first because those books are beyond special for me.

Yeah, I’m really surprised now when rereading my initial reaction to it. I think it was the combination of being so excited about a new Jemisin book and impaired judgment that comes from reviewing when sick. I reread it trying to decide on my upcoming Hugo awards vote, and it made my choice much easier now.

Yeah, I’m really surprised now when rereading my initial reaction to it. I think it was the c..."
oh, I have a few books I suspect will drop down on reread. Ancillary justice is one of them, Circe another one, maybe Uprooted, and perhaps Deathless. So I'm scared to touch them 😄

Ah, I’m worried about Deathless as well! But Miéville’s Embassytown held up for me, and so did The Left Hand of Darkness (and The Dispossessed which I’m rereading now), and even my teenage favorite Steven King still has that something that grabbed me a couple of decades ago. But Valente and her lush prose worry me � maybe it was just a phase for me?
This one was unexpected though, because my original read was so recent and I am such a fan of Broken Earth trilogy (I just reread the first 10% or so of The Fifth Season to see if maybe I’m just crabby and it’s not Jemisin but me � but nope, that opener of The Fifth Season still gives me the chills). It’s like every flaw suddenly became so apparent that I’m really blaming cough suppressant-addled brain last year, since I haven’t changed much as a person and a reader over 14 months...


I hate when that happens! In a global and connected world such book tribalism is annoying. I remember not being able to get an audiobook of Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch with the narrator I wanted because I don’t live in the UK � and I was ready to shell out full price that was quite a bit more than for the US version. I ran into the same issue with a few ebooks byAdrian Tchaikovsky � not available in the US, had to settle for paper copies. Ugh.
I don’t think you’ve read her The Fifth Season, right? That one has excellent audio.


Yeah, she certainly isn’t, and it irked me a lot on reread. I think my first read through was through rosy glasses, just excited that Jemisin had a new book out (I just loved her Broke Earth trilogy so much!) and sick with pneumonia (which now I’m inclined to think may have been Covid, actually � but regardless, cough medicine makes everything seem better).

Yeah, my two experiences with it were very different. The second time around disappointed me. Then I reread The Fifth Season and my faith in Jemisin was restored. But this one � nope.


That’s was my feeling on the first read, but after I read it again I was actually a bit appalled at the lack of nuance and message being awkwardly hammered in. The Fifth Season is among my favorite books ever, and in that book she avoided such heavy-handedness to a much better effect. But of course, everyone’s experience with it will differ.

Yeah, which is too bad because of how much I love Jemisin’s Broken Earth trilogy.
And yes, sometimes it’s the reread that allows me to look at the book more critically and realize that my initial reaction was just a fascinated febrile fluke. I blame pneumonia.

Would you believe it was totally unintentional?