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The Seep by Chana Porter
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it was ok
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By all means, this *should* have been a perfect book for me. I mean, it’s essentially a fever dream, or at least one of those surreal dreams that happen right before waking and you keep remembering bits and pieces for days after. Or at least the pleasantly intoxicated dream of a tree-hugging pacifist hippie who turns the front lawn into a sustainable community garden*.
* Not quite me (because cynicism) but something I can relate to in literature. Usually.
Imagine an infiltration of the Earth with the Seep, a benevolent alien symbiote that very quickly transforms the planet into a hippie paradise, with everyone connected via deep understanding, elimination of disease, scarcity, inequality, need to work for money, with communes of people high on the Seep and life having daily transcendental experiences in perfect harmony, gardening in their front yards, having consensual orgies, not needing money, using moss for carpeting and communing with nature while wearing hippie outfits and making jokes about the few who chose to isolate themselves about this paradise for all. Seriously, it seems to be what the hippie communes were hoping to achieve but failed in the world of capitalism and the notable absence of mind-controlling alien symbiote that makes it “impossible to feel anything except expansive joy, peace, tenderness, and love�.
“Just yesterday Trina had used The Seep to erase a tumor from a woman’s breast. No cutting, no incision, no radiation or chemotherapy, just the power of Seep consciousness speaking into this woman’s cells, telling them how to die gracefully, to let go and become something new. The procedure took twenty minutes, and then the woman went to a hula-hoop meet-up in Golden Gate Park.�

Pass me some raspberry leaves to smoke as I dance around the Maypole, please.


But my brain kept going “Huh?� pretty much nonstop.

Everything I mentioned above - all the transformation of the world within a few short years - all vaguely happens completely off-page. So if you’re here to see that, it’s not going to happen. It’s more of vague mentions and handwaving and not much else except for stating that it’s life now.

What we get to see instead is the exploration of grief from losing a life partner (the said life partner decides to take a full advantage of unexplainable alien symbiote powers and regress to being a baby, and is pissed that her wife does not want to become a parent to her former wife. Yeah. That.) We see Trina angry and lost, floating through this huggy, dreamy and constantly high world, broken over the loss of her wife Deeba and focusing her grief and anger on random targets in attempt to deny what she is really feels, while the Seep (initially through sentient pamphlets - just roll with it, okay?) tries to convince her that it is necessary to eliminate the feelings of grief and loss and anger since those do not belong in this surreally dreamy Brave New World.
“But right now, I feel like you’re breaking the deal you have with us. We’re supposed to have free will. That includes being unhappy. That includes making the wrong decisions and getting hurt, or even doing something terrible. We’re on this planet to grow and change, and sometimes that can only happen through struggle.�

And all I kept thinking was that addition of this strange unexplained and nonsensical world was completely unnecessary to explore Trina’s loss and grief. It was a confusing background, distracting in its unexplained oddness, like a strange flashy dream � and that comes from me, a huge fan of weird science fiction. The point seemed to be acceptance of herself and her her feelings and this allowing Trina to finally move on, find new center in life, make peace with all the conflicting emotions and pain that seem to be necessary for humanity. And that’s what the book should have focused on, in my decidedly non-Seepy opinion, explored loss and pain, maybe with injection of a touch of magical realism at most.
“The child disappeared, and Trina found that she was holding herself. She took a deep shaky breath, her arms still wrapped in tight. She had been punishing herself for years, punishing herself for the loss of Deeba and how terrible she felt about that loss, a vicious circle sucking her under. No more. She would still feel sorrow, hurt, anger at that great gaping loss. But she wouldn’t flagellate herself for those feelings. And eventually, eventually, those, too, would pass. She stood up a little straighter. Eventually, Trina would move on.�

But throwing in the mix of sorta-SF half-developed fever dream reality kept jarring me out of Trina’s experiences and emotional turmoil. It kept making me want to actually understand how that world would work (I think the explanation boils down to some “Seep wands�, for all the sense it makes) and why it wouldn’t actually work, and how ridiculous it is to expect all that just over a few years, and what exactly the point of the boy from the Compound is (is he a metaphor??? I’m afraid so) and all that logical thinking stuff that I suppose I was meant to put aside before starting page one.
Logic is not strong here. Chapter 2 � Trina’s bare feet sink into the moss on the floor, she looks at her reflection in the mirror and sees “old Levi’s, hoodie, ancient leather boots�.

Did those boots have no soles to allow bare feet to sink into the moss???

And all that kept removing the spotlight from Trina’s emotional journey to the detriment of the story’s message, and leaving me feeling a bit disengaged.

In short, a grief story shortchanged by throwing in vaguely messy science fiction � or a science fiction story suffering from too much underdeveloped vagueness in pursuit of exploration of grief. A strange thought experiment for which I’m not a good match.

In any case, 2 stars. Not for me.
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Poptart19 (the name’s ren) Wait, you can smoke raspberry leaves? What does that taste like? I’ve only had raspberry leaf tea before


message 2: by David (new)

David That's too bad. Sounds like an intriguing concept.
That logic error you quoted from ch 2 though, that would annoy me to no end.


Nataliya Poptart19 (ren) wrote: "Wait, you can smoke raspberry leaves? What does that taste like? I’ve only had raspberry leaf tea before"

I learned this from this book. There was smoking of sage and raspberry leaves instead of tobacco. Brief Google search confirmed that it’s indeed a thing. Who knew?


Nataliya David wrote: "That's too bad. Sounds like an intriguing concept.
That logic error you quoted from ch 2 though, that would annoy me to no end."


The concept was great and that’s what made me pick it up. The execution is what annoyed me.

As for that logical error � I was perplexed. It’s a very short book from a reputable publisher - surely an editor would have caught that? I even read the passage several times to make sure � and no, it’s all from the same scene, a few lines apart:

“She poured a glass at the counter, her bare feet sinking pleasantly into the squishy, moss-covered floor. She found most New Order–style houses a bit tacky, like something from a low-budget B movie about a pleasure planet, but Peaton and Allie had good taste. She watched bright schools of fish swim to and fro in the floor-to-ceiling aquarium wall, sizing up her own reflection in the glass. Old Levi’s, hoodie, ancient leather boots.�


Poptart19 (the name’s ren) Oh cool! I must Google this myself. (I have heard of smoking sage before, I think.) My family uses red raspberry leaf for folk remedies/medicinal use.


Nataliya Poptart19 (ren) wrote: "Oh cool! I must Google this myself. (I have heard of smoking sage before, I think.) My family uses red raspberry leaf for folk remedies/medicinal use."

I’d go with the tea, personally. The problem with smoking is the smoke � even with no nicotine, smoke is not a healthy thing. I guess it’s better than tobacco, but even a lesser evil is worse than no evil. But tea sounds delicious.


message 7: by John (new)

John Bare feet vs boots--definitely an editing mistake, and more than an error in logic, because it's visual. This is a single scene; it can only work if the reflection isn't a real reflection but something else, like the work with mirrors in Dancing with Werewolves. I live in fear of not catching this sort of thing before the novel goes to publication!


Nataliya John wrote: "Bare feet vs boots--definitely an editing mistake, and more than an error in logic, because it's visual. This is a single scene; it can only work if the reflection isn't a real reflection but somet..."

That’s one of the things editors *are* for, right? I can’t be the only one who caught it, and I’m not particularly adept at picking up these errors as a rule. This book overall annoyed me enough that I decided to point this out.


carol. "It’s more of vague mentions and handwaving and not much else except for stating that it’s life now."

So true!


Nataliya carol. wrote: ""It’s more of vague mentions and handwaving and not much else except for stating that it’s life now."

So true!"


I think that’s when being a fan of SFF is actually detrimental. That’s when I go � forget the metaphors, how does this world actually *work*? Those are the interesting parts - you can’t just offhand mention those off-page and have everyone just roll with it.


carol. You can if it's lit-fic sci-fi! 😁 Actually, Annihilation is like that as well. Not a lot of explanation for why things are the way they are. You get pieces, but never a whole puzzle.


message 12: by John (new)

John Nataliya wrote: "That’s one of the things editors *are* for, right? I can’t be the only one who caught it..."

Right, indeed. A novel I edited some years ago finally came out (in delayed self-publication) and a reader has already caught some mistakes I missed. Ack!! Groan.


message 13: by Nataliya (last edited Feb 21, 2021 02:50PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Nataliya carol. wrote: "You can if it's lit-fic sci-fi! 😁 Actually, Annihilation is like that as well. Not a lot of explanation for why things are the way they are. You get pieces, but never a whole puzzle."

Well, I’ll be reading that one in late March � so I consider myself suitably warned.


Nataliya John wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "That’s one of the things editors *are* for, right? I can’t be the only one who caught it..."

Right, indeed. A novel I edited some years ago finally came out (in delayed self-publi..."


Is there just one editor per book? It seems like having several is a good idea to increase the chance of errors spotted before publication. I mean, we are all human, it’s easy to miss things � but if several people proofread it, it decreases that risk.


Left Coast Justin I don't think you're the only cynic, Nataliya -- what does it say about the author that she believes an alien invasion is necessary for people to reach the sort of societal harmony described here? Why not just have people decide to put aside their differences and start living with more concern for their neighbors?


Nataliya Left Coast Justin wrote: "I don't think you're the only cynic, Nataliya -- what does it say about the author that she believes an alien invasion is necessary for people to reach the sort of societal harmony described here? ..."

Well, the history of our species does suggest that as a rule we are selfish bastards that do horrible things for our own benefit, regardless of what that means for the others. To get to the kind of society she describes would probably take alien mind parasites be use it goes even past the hippie commune stereotypes. I think it may be the understanding that humans can only go so far that brought on the need to the alien invasion � but the way it was executed was just suboptimal for me.

Hippie-commune-wise, even Murderbot “ideal� society is a bit more plausible.

However, this society did include “yellow meeks� � from the bits I was able to put together they appear to be people who reject everything besides hanging out in the park, swaying in sunlight and pushing/crapping themselves while everyone around benignly smiles in acceptance. I guess that’s the scary side of this utopia.


message 17: by John (new)

John Nataliya wrote: " we are all human, it’s easy to miss things � but if several people proofread it, it decreases that risk..."

That's for sure. We sent it out to beta readers, but naturally their responses were all about content, mainly how they felt about the characters. This time I'll also try to recruit folks who love to proof-read, you know, get a pleasant jolt from spotting a typo--I know they do exist.


Nataliya John wrote: "Nataliya wrote: " we are all human, it’s easy to miss things � but if several people proofread it, it decreases that risk..."

That's for sure. We sent it out to beta readers, but naturally their r..."


I’m sure they exist.


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Jennifer Darn, I was interested in reading this one. But the whole moss-as-carpet thing bugs me (even though it's not the most absurd thing in here by a long shot). It would have to be some pretty damn magical Seep-y moss to survive the constant pressure and pollution of living indoors under high traffic conditions.


message 20: by Nicholas (new)

Nicholas Perez I might give this one a read since you and carol. had such different opinions on it. Funny enough, I read on someone's blog that they felt like the writer had never read sci-fi.


message 21: by Nataliya (last edited Feb 21, 2021 06:56PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Nataliya Jennifer wrote: "Darn, I was interested in reading this one. But the whole moss-as-carpet thing bugs me (even though it's not the most absurd thing in here by a long shot). It would have to be some pretty damn magi..."

There are also aquarium walls which sound pretty, but if an earthquake was to happen (since part of the story is set in the Bay Area), I think it wouldn’t fare well. Unless the Seep fixed earthquakes.

I think theoretically moss carpet sounds good in the together-with-nature way, but it’s just hard for me as well to imagine it actually thriving in these conditions. But the Seep seems to be a shorthand here for anything that seems unbelievable.


Nataliya Nicholas wrote: "I might give this one a read since you and carol. had such different opinions on it. Funny enough, I read on someone's blog that they felt like the writer had never read sci-fi."

Many people loved it. It really seems to be the case of it either speaking to the reader or not. I thought it would be a bit like Valente after the first few pages, which usually sits well with me, but it just failed to grab me.

Interesting about the impression about unfamiliarity with s I’d certainly fiction. SF was really on the undeveloped side, I thought, but I don’t know the author’s background to really make assumptions. Funnily enough, from reading the reviews it seems that some readers have been put off by the presence of SF elements because they are not SF readers � but I was put off *because* I’m a SF reader.


message 23: by David (new)

David John wrote: "We sent it out to beta readers, but naturally their responses were all about content, mainly how they felt about the characters. This time I'll also try to recruit folks who love to proof-read, you know, get a pleasant jolt from spotting a typo--I know they do exist."

They do, but you should really consider hiring a proofreader or editor. There are editors that work with indie authors. might be out of date, but it's worth a start.


message 24: by John (new)

John Thanks for the link!


Mixednuts It seems you don't like soft world building in genre stories. Did you enjoy movies like Spirited Away? I feel like one could, if they wanted to, levy the same criticisms against that story as well. "A story of loss and pain obfuscated by a bizzare setting that lacks explanation or justification for its existence." Though personally I would never say such things, as I love soft world building, I wonder if connecting to stories that present themselved this way is something you always have trouble with.


Nataliya Mixednuts wrote: "It seems you don't like soft world building in genre stories. Did you enjoy movies like Spirited Away? I feel like one could, if they wanted to, levy the same criticisms against that story as well...."

I have never heard of “soft worldbuilding� before; apparently my lingo will expand now. I also have never seen “Spirited Away�. I tried looking up “soft worldbuilding� and I’m left with an impression that it refers to SFF settings that exist more as a backdrop to the story and the characters rather than actually being prominent. In this case yes, I do tend to prefer SFF with the setting a bit more developed � I tend to look at the setting in such stories as its own character.

What I don’t like is lazy worldbuilding rooted in handwavium � and that’s the impression I got from this story. I suppose it’s why reading is such a subjective experience � what the writer gives us and what we expect does not always align.

I went to Google (of course!) to see what works are considered soft worldbuilding. Surprisingly, I see Harry Potter there (that doesn’t align with my impression of what it is), so maybe I don’t quite get the concept.


message 27: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus But throwing in the mix of sorta-SF half-developed fever dream reality kept jarring me out of Trina’s experiences and emotional turmoil.
Yeah...no. Not even for $1.99 on Kindle.
*smooch* in gratitude for takin' one for the team.


carol. Left Coast Justin wrote: "I don't think you're the only cynic, Nataliya -- what does it say about the author that she believes an alien invasion is necessary for people to reach the sort of societal harmony described here? Why not just have people decide to put aside their differences and start living with more concern for their neighbors?"


hahahahahahahahahaha

That was LCJ's pandemic-brain, clearly.


message 29: by Diane (new)

Diane Wallace Honest review, Nataliya!


message 30: by Nataliya (last edited Jul 08, 2022 09:29PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Nataliya Richard wrote: "But throwing in the mix of sorta-SF half-developed fever dream reality kept jarring me out of Trina’s experiences and emotional turmoil.
Yeah...no. Not even for $1.99 on Kindle.
*smooch* in gratitu..."


Always happy to do that so that you don’t have to :)


Nataliya carol. wrote: "That was LCJ's pandemic-brain, clearly.
"


Dreamer.
“I hope someday you’ll join us, And the world will be as one.�


Nataliya Diane wrote: "Honest review, Nataliya!"

It certainly is, Diane!


message 33: by Mark (new)

Mark Could be “metaphysical� bare feet sinking into the moss� no? 🧐


Nataliya Mark wrote: "Could be “metaphysical� bare feet sinking into the moss� no? 🧐"

That’s the only explanation except for “she was high on the Seep�.


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