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Caste by Isabel Wilkerson
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Liked this book for its blunt discussion of racism and caste discrimination, though at times its analysis felt rather simple or superficial. In terms of positives, I appreciate Caste for its international perspective. A lot of books on race write about race within the context one country, whereas Isabel Wilkerson compares and contrasts the United States, India, and Nazi Germany. Wilkerson does a great job too of showing how many anti-Black racist events within the United States occurred not too long ago. In part because of the myth of a post-racial society, we often believe that things like slavery and segregation occurred way back when, when in reality those racist events happened relatively recently and still manifest today through mass incarceration and voter suppression. I appreciated Wilkerson’s more provocative or deeper insights, such as how a lot of people in lower castes will try to assimilate and desire proximity to upper castes (yikes), as well as how these issues of caste extend into arenas ranging from disenfranchisement in academia to nastiness in interpersonal interactions.

Sometimes I wanted more from this book’s structure and its recommendations about challenging the caste system. The book’s thesis and argument style feels a bit simplistic in that early on Wilkerson establishes the idea of castes. Then, she describes several racist events, and at the end of each description she comments about how the event exemplifies the presence and maintenance of castes. I desired more innovative, less repetitive writing that delved deeper into the systemic, international mechanisms that perpetuate castes. ŷ reviewer Chetana raises issue with the simplicity of Wilkerson’s international analysis in her review, which I agree with. The solutions and action steps toward the end of the book felt pretty surface-level too. While radical empathy and recognizing each other’s humanity is great, I’m additionally interested in specific, systemic, actionable ways we can dismantle white supremacy and caste discrimination.

I do think it’s important that the racist events Wilkerson describes in this book are acknowledged, though I’m not sure those more familiar with racism will learn much from reading Caste, aside from some of the introductory international analysis. I’d be curious for writers to include more about how Asian and Latinx individuals fit into the American caste system as well as how intersectionality plays into it. In terms of books about racism and anti-racism, I’d still recommend Sister Outsider by Audre Lorde, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People about Race by Reni Eddo-Longe, and So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo.
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message 1: by Carrie (new) - added it

Carrie Well said, Thomas - I'm about halfway through and wrestling with the limitations of her thesis. So much is condensed and somewhat rigidly oversimplified. There's lots here that's wonderful, and I agree with you in appreciating an international perspective! Just not sure the central thesis completely holds up.


message 2: by Mridula (new)

Mridula Thank you for the thoughtful review. South-Asian by birth, I was intrigued by the idea of an exploration of 'caste'. However, I believe any discussion that fails to include an intersectional analysis is missing the mark.


message 3: by Liz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Liz Reading it, now and have similar opinions. The simplicity, I assume is the attempt at a wider audience.


Moonkiszt Thanks for your further recommendations! Your review gives helpful information.


Thomas Carrie wrote: "Well said, Thomas - I'm about halfway through and wrestling with the limitations of her thesis. So much is condensed and somewhat rigidly oversimplified. There's lots here that's wonderful, and I a..."

Thank you for validating my feelings about the book Carrie! I appreciate how you articulate both the wonderful content in the book and the rigid oversimplification.

Mridula wrote: "Thank you for the thoughtful review. South-Asian by birth, I was intrigued by the idea of an exploration of 'caste'. However, I believe any discussion that fails to include an intersectional analys..."

Thanks for sharing your perspective Mridula! Yes it's unfortunate that the book does lack an intersectional analysis. :( Maybe more books will come out after this one that delve into that more. I'm in a radical leftist API organizing group that shared some books on casteism so I'll try to get into those too.

Liz wrote: "Reading it, now and have similar opinions. The simplicity, I assume is the attempt at a wider audience."

Yeah I wonder if that's the case too Liz! I don't disagree with any of the information necessarily and think it's all important though its presentation left something to be desired for me. I'm glad that people who may not be aware of anti-Black racism in the United States may be educating themselves by reading this book.

Moonkiszt wrote: "Thanks for your further recommendations! Your review gives helpful information."

No problem! Glad my review is helpful. :)


Thomas Chey wrote: "Excellent review. I’m about a quarter into it so far and weary of how Wilkerson would address (if at all) how Asian and Latinx Americans fit into this system. On the fence still on how soon I shoul..."

Yeah she doesn't really address Asian and Latinx Americans. I had mixed feelings about that - on one hand I totally get wanting to focus on anti-Black racism, on the other I think an evaluation of the caste system overall would've merited at least a chapter or some more thorough passages about Asian, Latinx, and Indigenous individuals. I know for Asian Americans Cathy Park Hong's Minor Feelings is a great place to start, and I'm gonna search out more Latinx-focused books soon.


message 7: by Nicholas (new) - added it

Nicholas Palka One thing we can do is try and get Congress and the Senate to pass the H.R. 40 bill (look it up for more info). The gist of it is starting a commission to study systemic oppression and look for solutions Of course, the senators in the GA senate race would have to win, so volunteer and donate to the dem canidates. Other than that, idk. Radical empathy is a good start.


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Lotusgirl I really appreciate your review and your further recommendations. I'm trying to decide if this is worth my time. I love the premise and am looking to better understand how racism in America. The idea that racism would fit into a caste system paradigm was very intriguing. I don't think the subject can be fully explored and accurately explained if you exclude any of the races that are actually in America (Isn't that the basis of her thesis or am I missing something?). At a bare minimum, Asians, Latinx, and Native Americans should be included, but, to do the job she proposed, Middle Easterners and Indians should also be included. It appears from yours and others' reviews that this work is lacking greatly in genuine across the board race representation. I'm disappointed, but I will check out your suggestions. I think I'll start with Minor Feelings by Cathy Park Hong. Thank you!


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Chrystine Collins-blums I am about half way through the book but I think to thoroughly cover each individual segment of the US caste system would require probably double the length. Also, this is an extremely important book but it is not a textbook. It seems to me that it is meant to be read and understood by many, not merely intellectuals with post graduate educations. Valid points have been made about skimming the surface, but we need to think realistically about its readability and the target audience which should be everyone.


Vikram I agree with this review, and was a little disappointed after all the hype. I kept looking for a more detail on many of the anecdotes Wilkerson gives, such as when or where a particular incident occurred, to get more context. I hear the big picture she is presenting, and found the India and Germany comparisons interesting, but feel that if you already have an understanding on race history in the US then this book does not add much for you.


Karen Levi Agree with all of the above. For some reason, people love to love this writer. I think she is repetitive and simplifies that which is complex, in this book. I’m not even certain that the historical treatment of African-Americans, the castes of India, and the tragedy of the Jews and others during the the Nazi era are synonymous.


Mandy I'm about halfway through and was starting to wonder if I was the outcast who was finding these limitations to the book. Thank you for boldly stating an educated, respectful and reflective minority opinion. It's a relief to read. I too wonder about other minorities some of whom are given a brief review but it is not at all complete and possibly misleading.


message 13: by SZ (new)

SZ In addition to Minor feelings, what other books do you recommend on the subject of Asian American?


Diana Barnett Ironically I am reading James Welch’s Killing Custer the same time I am reading Caste. It’s interesting to compare the two.


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Carol I’m about 25% in and needed to read some reviews to see if it was just me thinking some things� the discussion on this thread hits many of the issues I was wrestling with.

And a solid “Yes!� to the recommendations you end your review with - all fantastic reads.


message 17: by Mark (new)

Mark Plum Can we PLEASE stop using Latinx? Hispanics or Latinos works just fine. Even better, use the name of the country the people are from. The experience of privileged Cuban immigrants is quite different from Central American minors.

Otherwise agree with everything!!


Jason "I’d be curious for writers to include more about how Asian and Latinx individuals fit into the American caste system as well as how intersectionality plays into it." same here, i'm reading this book now and was wondering if the author was going to write about how America's caste system impacts all races. I guess not :(


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