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Collapse by Jared Diamond
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it was amazing
bookshelves: nonfiction, all-time-favorites-non-fiction, favorites, economics, brain-candy

This is a major work. Diamond looks in detail at the factors at play in the demise of civilizations in human history, using a wide range of examples. He offers a framework in which to structure the analysis and looks in great detail at possible (and in many cases certain) reasons why various societies collapsed. He is not a one-note analyst. All problems do not fit the same mold. There is considerable nuance and common sense brought to bear on this examination. Foolishness plays a part, greed, corruption. But just as frequently, the actors behave rationally. Maybe they were unaware or could not possibly be aware of the larger implications of their actions. Maybe the land in which they lived was ill-suited to large numbers of humans. Maybe changes in climate made what seemed a reasonable place a death trap. Clearly an analysis of why societies failed in the past, with particular attention to environmental issues, has direct relevance to our world today. For example, Polynesian islands that were dependant on resources from other islands collapsed when their import supply dried up. That has relevance to oil-dependant first world nations today, for example. Diamond goes out of his way to make a case that business is business and they are not in the business of performing charity or taking responsibility for the common weal. He does point out that some businesses have been instrumental in forcing improvements in producers. He cited Home Depot and BP among others, although I expect he might have second thoughts about the latter's net impact.

I found the book to be extremely eye-opening and informative. It was a long, slow read, but well worth the effort. It makes my short list of must read for anyone seriously interested in current affairs.
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Reading Progress

Started Reading
July 1, 2007 – Finished Reading
October 5, 2008 – Shelved
October 5, 2008 – Shelved as: nonfiction
November 5, 2008 – Shelved as: all-time-favorites-non-fiction
January 28, 2011 – Shelved as: favorites
January 21, 2012 – Shelved as: economics
November 2, 2012 – Shelved as: brain-candy

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message 1: by Lilo (new) - added it

Lilo Sounds like another must-read. But when will I read it? So much to read, so much to do, so few hours in the day.


message 2: by Clouds (new) - added it

Clouds I loved Guns, Germs and Steel and have been meaning to check this one out for some time.


Paul I think BP would now be considered to be collapsing, rather than growing, even though they had a far sighted vision at the time. In my review, I said that this is very much due a re-write, as lots of things have changed. All except mans shortsightedness, perhaps.


message 4: by Steve (new)

Steve I like how both Diamond AND you are able to draw from a variety of viewpoints and modes of analysis to paint us the picture. Nicely done, Will!


message 5: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus Montana! Yikes and yuck.


Michael Glad it makes your hit parade. You do well to note the divergent messages over why societies collapse. That could disappoint some, but I appreciated the variety in his choices (e.g. Easter Island, Greenland, Montana). I was disappointed with how few positive examples he came up with--I only remember the contrast between the lush green of the Dominican Republic compared to Haiti, two ends of Santo Domingo, and an initiative to allow consumers to know sources of lumber in the line of "Fair Trade" coffee or sweatshop free clothing. I appreciate the heart behind his endeavor starting with Guns, Germs, and Steel, which is to account for the haves and have nots of the globe. Am holding off on The World Until Yesterday, as some finding it preaching a simplistic message over healthy lifestyles.


Will Byrnes I have his latest on my night table, and hope to get to it in 2014.


message 8: by Lilo (new) - added it

Lilo I haven't read this book, but the way it looks, I think that our society is soon going to collapse.


message 9: by Louis (new) - added it

Louis Muñoz Many thanks. I am hoping to get to read this at some point, but as someone wrote above, so many books, I will never be able to read them all! Thanks again!


message 10: by Will (new) - rated it 5 stars

Will Byrnes I am well aware of that problem. My TBR stands at about 12 years worth.


message 11: by Casey (new) - added it

Casey Just finished "Guns, Germs, and Steel," and "Collapse" will be my next Diamond book. It's on my shelf staring at me now. (Only 12 years' worth of TBR? I'm envious! And there will soon be more, as you have many good ones on your list!)


message 12: by Will (new) - rated it 5 stars

Will Byrnes Well, 12 years is tempting longevity fate at this point.


message 13: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary Mimouna One of my favorite books! I have been a big fan of Jared Diamond's for 30 years. Glad to see you enjoyed this, too.


message 14: by Will (last edited Jul 24, 2021 12:25AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Will Byrnes Mine too. I was not thrilled with his latest, but loved this one and Guns, Germs, & Steel.


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