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Caligula by Albert Camus
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He is converting his philosophy into corpses and—unfortunately for us—it’s a philosophy that’s logical from start to finish.

Rome’s third emperor, , had a short rule (A.D. 37-41) yet left a lasting legacy of carnage and brutality. Born Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus but nicknamed Caligula meaning “little boot� in reference to his military uniform, his tyrannical reign of terror and fiscal irresponsibility led to his assassination when he was 28 years old. While surviving sources are few, there is reason to believe his first few months as emperor were noble and tame and many believed mental illness may have contributed to his sadism. Albert Camus� first play, Caligula, harnesses the story of the tyrant emperor in four acts that examine Camus� ideas of absurdity, reinterpreting the historical figure through 20th century philosophical discourse (though Camus claimed it was not a philosophical play). Through a rather Nietzschean “will to power,� Camus depicts Caligula embracing absurdity through calculated logic, exemplifying the ideas that anything is possible and man must replace God as Caligula attempts to recreate the randomness of death and the arbitrariness of life while seeking to create meaning out of meaninglessness. An eminently readable work, Caligula interrogates heady ideas and thrives on drawing discomfort from the audience in a violent saga of absurdity, power and revolt.

The assassination of Caligula, depicted by Giuseppe Mochetti

Camus began writing Caligula in 1937, and though he finished in 1939 it underwent several revisions before it was finally staged in Paris after the war. As he writes in his introduction, Camus intended himself to strut and fret his hour upon the stage as Caligula, and what a role it is with on stage murders and plenty of shouting and emotion. Camus adapted the play—primarily Cherea’s role—to fit his changing views on absurdity, though also, as Oliver Gloag argues in his book on Camus, in response to Hitler and the occupation of France. Lines were cut to ensure it didn’t seem apologetic for tyrants, and added Cherea’s line about fighting ideas �whose triumph would mean the end of the world� as a direct callout against the Nazis. Gloag argue’s Cherea exists to tone down the absurd as �nihilistic purity was no longer defensible� In the essay Camus and the Theater, Christine Margerrison writes that Camus expressed frustrations that the play was often misunderstood, being mistaken as an existentialist work (he , and considered existentialism �philosophical suicide�), being mistaken as a critique of Jean-Paul Sartre (he wrote it before the rise of Sartrean existentialism), or being a critique against tyrants or communism. Many of these elements are justifiable interpretations (or present in other works) though Camus stressed they overlooked the main purpose of the dilemas of freedom and violence, a revolt of the powerful against society, and an expression of living in absurdity through logic.

French production of Caligula, 1945

This is an excellent play, and Camus launches us into the start of Caligula’s reign of violence by first showing the emperor in a moment of vulnerability. Following the death of his sister, Drusilla, Caligula contemplates that �life is quite intolerable,� existence is absurd, and regrets being unable to obtain the literal moon to have something absurd, something �which isn’t of this world.� What use is power if one can’t have the moon? It is a pivotal moment, one that hardens into a sadism where he has �resolved to be logical� and seeks freedom at the expense of others.
I’m surrounded by lies and self-deception. But I’ve had enough of that; I wish men to live by the light of truth. And I’ve the power to make them do so. For I know what they need and haven’t got. They're without understanding and they need a teacher�

The tyrannical ruler can, arguably, be seen as a tyranny of the academics and philosophers of the time as well, which Camus delves into more critically in The Fall. He seeks to punish his subjects, to become a god of sorts in the absence of one as he sees it. As Camus wrote in his notebooks �. If this world is meaningless then …it is on us to create God...we have only one way to create God and that is to become God.� He first has everyone make a will to the State and decides he will execute people at random, like the arbitrariness of death (�It has dawned on you that a man needn’t have done anything for him to die.�), and thus fund the empire. �If the Treasury has paramount importance, human life has none,� he says (feels a critique on government and capitalism in general there), and preaches that �this world has no importance; once a man realizes that, he wins his freedom.� This is a very different revolt than the sort he would be noteworthy for discussing in books like The Rebel, though Camus also implies the teachings of Caligula are not his own (another aspect that frustrated him when viewers assumed that was his aim). Though years of senseless and random murder does not make the people happy, and Caligula knows he is backing them into a corner that can only lead to his own murder at their hands.

Other artists create to compensate for their lack of power. I don’t need to make a work of art; I live it.

Camus delivers a fascinating dichotomy with Caligula embracing the absurdity of existence and believing �freedom has no frontier,� or �one is always free at someone else’s expense� with the people who tend to avoid metaphysical thoughts of existence. We are disquieted by the action, with on stage murders, sexual assaults and constant humiliation. There is a counter-balance, however, in Cherea who on one hand understands Caligula’s quest for the absurd (and perhaps shares it) but cannot abide by the violence. He, in turn, also does not wish to commit it and struggles despite organizing an assassination. As Colin Davis argues in his essay Violence and Ethics in Camus, Cherea is an expression of what Camus wrote in his essays Neither Victims Nor Executioners that violence is �at the same time inevitable and unjustifiable� as well the teachings in The Rebel of �conceding the existence of an ethical dilemma but endeavoring to overcome it.

We also have Scipio who also seems a foil to Caligula, �perhaps because the same eternal truths appeal to us both,� as Caligula observes, and is frustrated with Caligula’s rejection of beauty through his brutality. Though Caligula is not a hero, he is still an expression of Camus� idea of revolting against the absurdity of existence, and Scipio rejects Caligula raging against the heavens and predicts �god-men� will rise against him. As Alba della Fazia Amoia writes in her book of Camus criticism, �[Caligula’s] deliberate irrationality makes him a dadaistic figure, hihilitic in character and inevitably self-destroying� and compares his body count to a plague—which caught my attention as Camus� The Plague also features a group of men not conspiring but organizing to fight back the irrationality and arbitrariness of death in a sort of personified form. Though there the response is one that is more clearly “good� and justifiable (I love the line by Cherea here that �some actions are…more praiseworthy,� though Davis says 'more beautiful' is a more accurate translation, and gets at what I'm attempting to say here) and not actually violent where here the revolt is one of bloodshed. As Caligula’s dying words are �I’m still alive� we see that, though his body may have succumbed to death, his spirit of violence is very much alive in the new “will to power� (as Friedrich Nietzsche discussed, something Camus toned down in the play due to the Nazi’s embrace of his philosophy) enacted by the conspirators who have slain him. The moral dilemma of violence and freedom speaks loudly in the silence after the curtain falls.

All I need is for the impossible to be. The impossible!

Caligula is part of what Camus termed the “Cycle of the Absurd� along with The Stranger and The Myth of Sisyphus, but of all of them it seems to most leave us in a ponderous state as it asks us how people can apply meaning to meaninglessness, either by challenging the gods or becoming a god oneself, and then justify our actions for freedom in the face of violence or without causing harm to others. This is a subject of ethical living Simone de Beauvoir would address in The Ethics of Ambiguity and here we have Camus directly confronting the audience with that question to take home and grapple with. Caligula is an interesting play that works well as an exciting look at Caligula as a historical figure through modern philosophical inquiry while also functioning as another critical expression of Camus� canon of ideas. I also enjoy seeing how his ideas morph over time, both in conjunction with his other works but also in response to the history that was happening in real time during the 30’s and 40’s. A problematic figure, but a brilliant one nonetheless, Albert Camus is a wonderful mind to see at work, especially one that can fret about the stage as it does here in Caligula. Also huge shoutout to Kushagri for inviting me to read this together, you should definitely check out her review here too!

4.5/5

Yet, really, it’s quite simple. If I’d had the moon, if love were enough, all might have been different.
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message 1: by Kushagri (last edited Apr 19, 2023 12:52AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kushagri Oh my God! This is such a brilliant review! Not to sound hyperbole, but this can serve as an introduction to an edition of the play in print. Wonderfully written, S.!
The facts that you bring forth about Camus and the comparison with his other works, offer a very good context to the play. Now that I have read your review it makes the picture whole.
I see we rated it the same nonetheless! So glad we enjoyed this read. Now as we decided before, we can stage our own production haha

Thank you so much for the link to my review 🤗☺️


Kushagri I found the characters of Cherea and Scipio very complex and interesting.


s.penkevich Kushagri wrote: "Oh my God! This is such a brilliant review! Not to sound hyperbole, but this can serve as an introduction to an edition of the play in print. Wonderfully written, S.!
The facts that you bring forth..."


Yes we must perform it! hahah The whole time I was reading this I had like a VERY visual idea of how Caligula would be acted, like all the speech patterns and everything. It would be such a fun role to play, though Cherea was still my favorite.

And good timing haha, I was just adding your review to this as I realized I forgot it (sorry!) and also my bad it took me forever to read this and then I barely chatted, I'm so bad at buddy reads, it was a long work weekend. But I'm glad we read this together and did get to discuss it!

And thank you so much :) That made my day, you had such great insights as well. It appears this has been my Camus year and I just have WAY too many Camus details swimming around my head lately (and a large stack of literary criticism books on him from the library sitting next to me haha). This was such a good play, I'm pretty geeked to read the others, And The Possessed which wasnt in my edition but I have that separately. Thanks again!


Kushagri Yes, definitely!! Same here. The expressions, and the body language everything was very clear. Sometimes I did a few expressions and some dialogues out loud 🙈🙈 (glad I was alone then haha). Yeah definitely. Cherea was a very interesting character, and my favourite too. He was so sorted. Like he wasn’t in the plot for the power as the others, but for an idealogical stand.

Ohh no worries at all haha. Yup, it was fun, should do it with the other plays too. We can also try the Sartre plays like you mentioned, though you have already read those; but a reread for you haha

🤗🤗
Thank you so much! Ohh no, you have much much more experience writing reviews than me, but I am glad you liked it. Yep, I think whenever I refresh my goodreads feed I do come across something Camus from you haha but I have gotten so many recommendations from that! But that’s so great right. The picture and character of the author builds up in your head and affects how the work is perceived. So reading a book by that author almost becomes like communicating with a friend. And all the Camus details you share here provide a great context to the overall play. So thanks for that! Yup, same! excited to read the others 😀
You’re most welcome ☺️


s.penkevich Kushagri wrote: "Yes, definitely!! Same here. The expressions, and the body language everything was very clear. Sometimes I did a few expressions and some dialogues out loud 🙈🙈 (glad I was alone then haha). Yeah de..."

Yea, I love whenever he’d yell I’d like imagine how id read it haha I kind of pictured him as really like, snappy and quick spoken? But that’s a good way to phrase Chersea (my phone keeps autocorrecting to Chelsea), there for the ideology. And sort of the Camus insert in a way? Maybe not, I mean he was really into wanting to play Caligula. I always forget he was like a notable on the stage.

Ooo yes! I’ll grab that from the library tomorrow. I’ve been wanting to actually review No Exit for years.

And you do well! Mine are just rambling too much anyways haha


message 6: by Kushagri (last edited Apr 19, 2023 02:02AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kushagri Ohh yeah yeah! I also imagined him very excitable in a kind of rambling fashion, and when he is with Scipio in a calm and soothed manner. Yeah, I think that’s right. Camus put a part of himself in the story, atleast his philosophies, in the form of Cherea. Though materially, playing Caligula was his objective.

Ohh yay!! Definitely. We will start the three Sartre plays this weekend then (friday eve?)

Thanks haha. Both are reviews of different kinds hehe. You’re are more of introduction, foreword, or afterword that can very well be printed in the book (should be in fact!). Mine is more of like blurb style reviews haha.


s.penkevich Kushagri wrote: "Ohh yeah yeah! I also imagined him very excitable in a kind of rambling fashion, and when he is with Scipio in a calm and soothed manner. Yeah, I think that’s right. Camus put a part of himself in ..."

I kind of loved that scene where he and Scipio recite the poem together and then are like hugging but I was stressed he was going to stab him or something haha like just because he got to him.

Ha well thank you! And I think that’s cool about this website, it’s such a versatility of people reacting to books and can give a lot more well rounded idea of them? I suppose I always write mine coming from a place of how I would have written a paper for class? It’s less stuffy than it used to be but I do sort of have that as the underlying spirit I guess. I like that you capture the emotion of reading it really well


Kushagri Yes definitely! That was such a memorable scene. Same, I was so anxious. I definitely could bet he would stab or strangle Scipio. But I think that Caligula could see the dead innocent part of himself in Scipio.

Yeah, exactly! Great place to interact with fellow book lovers. Ohh, thank you so much 💛


message 9: by Heidi (new)

Heidi Seriously wonderful review of both the subject, author and play. Brava!!


s.penkevich Kushagri wrote: "Yes definitely! That was such a memorable scene. Same, I was so anxious. I definitely could bet he would stab or strangle Scipio. But I think that Caligula could see the dead innocent part of himse..."

Yea true, he was one of the few that reached him, and only sometimes. I loved the poetry contest scene too where nobody gets passed the first line.


s.penkevich Heidi wrote: "Seriously wonderful review of both the subject, author and play. Brava!!"

Thank you so much! This was so good, I almost never read plays but whenever I do I think I need to do it much more often haha.


Kushagri Ohh yeah, but Scipio is the only one who Caligula lets continue. Also, Scipio’s emotions were complicated because after what he did with his father yet he couldn’t totally hate him.


Kushagri *even after


message 14: by Traveller (new)

Traveller Excellent stuff! As always, you impress, but this well-rounded essay had me wondering how the heck you do it, Spenk, with so many other excellent reviews/essays coming out!


s.penkevich Kushagri wrote: "Ohh yeah, but Scipio is the only one who Caligula lets continue. Also, Scipio’s emotions were complicated because after what he did with his father yet he couldn’t totally hate him."

YEA! They had been like, close friends before he became emperor I gathered? Or something like that?
I also feel we might need to embrace Caligula and just have a hostile take over of my local theater and perform this play haha i just really want to see it on stage now. I bet the scene where he forces the guy to drink the poison is intense.


Kushagri Yeah definitely! They were friends before; I think they had something like an elder brother-younger brother or a mentor-mentee relationship.
Yesssss!! I can just see us directing it now haha
Ohh that scene was so intense. Also when Caligula pretends to be ill and that Patrician says that I wish God would take me and then Caligula sentences him!


s.penkevich Traveller wrote: "Excellent stuff! As always, you impress, but this well-rounded essay had me wondering how the heck you do it, Spenk, with so many other excellent reviews/essays coming out!"

Thank you so much! Ha I guess I would like to credit alcohol and my inability to ever stop talking. But also I’ve been reading a bunch of Camus lit criticisms lately that I took out of the library and one thing I’ve found I really enjoy about him is that all his works seem to function as commentary on each other, so that helps too.


message 18: by Traveller (new)

Traveller s.penkevich wrote: "Traveller wrote: "Excellent stuff! As always, you impress, but this well-rounded essay had me wondering how the heck you do it, Spenk, with so many other excellent reviews/essays coming out!"

Than..."


Yeah, I've also started digging into Camus, but what is bogging me down is that I'm trying to read him in French. Maybe I should compromise and read a page from a translation before reading the page in French - maybe I'd eventually manage to finish the longer works that way, before I eventually die of old age.... 😂


s.penkevich Traveller wrote: "Yeah, I've also started digging into Camus, but what is bogging me down is that I'm trying to read him in French. Maybe I should compromise and read..."

Oh that is super impressive though so good for you! At least he’s fairly short as far as books go? Which one are you reading? But haha sounds like a fair compromise! I was really spoiled by the new translation of The Plague which reads SO well but the standard translations still read effectively (though I have no idea how the translations are alas). Good luck!


message 20: by Sarah-Hope (new)

Sarah-Hope I really appreciate how erudite you reviews are. It's not a word I use often, but I think your reviews definitely deserve it.


s.penkevich Sarah-Hope wrote: "I really appreciate how erudite you reviews are. It's not a word I use often, but I think your reviews definitely deserve it."

Wow thank you so much :) mostly I just can’t shut up and I’ve had way too many Camus facts buzzing about my head lately haha


message 22: by Traveller (new)

Traveller s.penkevich wrote: " Which one are you reading?..."

I've been dithering over Le Mythe de Sisyphe and L'Étranger, but at least I've got a few short stories done.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement!


message 23: by Marquise (new)

Marquise Excellent review, S! Caligula is my favourite "mad emperor" and I blame it on John Hurt's superb role as him in "I, Claudius." :)


s.penkevich Traveller wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: " Which one are you reading?..."

I've been dithering over Le Mythe de Sisyphe and L'Étranger, but at least I've got a few short stories done.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement!"


Oh excellent! Ha to be fair I found Sisyphus to be great but slow moving and dense even reading it in translation but at least Camus is also pretty approachable and gets his points across with good clarity.
Excited to hear what you think of L'Étranger though! I wish I could read that in French, im sure it is much more alive than in translation.
Best of luck, I’ll look forward to your thoughts on them!


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Excellent review, S! Caligula is my favourite "mad emperor" and I blame it on John Hurt's superb role as him in "I, Claudius." :)"

Thank you so much! Oooo I need to see that, didn’t realize Hurt played him. And have been meaning to read that book forever haha


message 26: by Marquise (new)

Marquise You can watch the BBC miniserials, too! I highly rec that one, very faithful to the book and a blast. Big names in it as well. :)


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "You can watch the BBC miniserials, too! I highly rec that one, very faithful to the book and a blast. Big names in it as well. :)"

Oh sweet I’ll definitely check that! BBC does a great job with miniseries


message 28: by Traveller (new)

Traveller s.penkevich wrote: "Best of luck, I’ll look forward to your thoughts on them!
..."


Thank you! Always great chatting with you. :)


message 29: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Read that first quote again, S. and you'll see that it is anti-communist a la' Karl Popper or, closer to home, Raymond Aron. Caligula wants people to die for a pseudo-science. This play must be read alongside THE REBEL.


s.penkevich Traveller wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Best of luck, I’ll look forward to your thoughts on them!
..."

Thank you! Always great chatting with you. :)"


Thanks you as well!


message 31: by s.penkevich (last edited Apr 20, 2023 03:09PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Read that first quote again, S. and you'll see that it is anti-communist a la' Karl Popper or, closer to home, Raymond Aron. Caligula wants people to die for a pseudo-science. This play must be rea..."

Yea thats sort of what I assumed reading it, especially as it is so key to a lot of his later works (its pretty blatant in The Fall especially too) but in one of his letters he denies it was intended to address communism as he was more modeling lines to address Nazism during the rewrites between the 1939 finished version and the 1945 version that got staged, though also he didn't feel the play was political as much as it was grappling with nihilism. But then again he seems to have disliked any interpretation of his work that specifies it being "about" anything so his take on that might be more of a reaction than a refutation. The Colin Davis essay talked a bit about Camus being frustrated his earlier works always got interpreted in hindsight in the context of his later works so it could also be him wanting it to be separate ? not that he even lived long enough to see many full spectrum criticisms and it seemed pretty on the nose addressing Stalin as well as Hitler to me haha


message 32: by r0b (new)

r0b Thanks S. for another great review/essay, Camus is one of my favourite writers/thinkers.

And also for the links, I always appreciate and enjoy chasing those down. 🙏🏼☺️


s.penkevich r0b wrote: "Thanks S. for another great review/essay, Camus is one of my favourite writers/thinkers.

And also for the links, I always appreciate and enjoy chasing those down. 🙏🏼☺️"


Thanks! He’s pretty great, I should have been reading him a long time ago haha glad I’m finally reading through his work. I like how sort of cohesive it is and how much you can watch the arc of his thinking.
And thanks! I always like trying to give references or access for further reading ha, I still feel like in school where I definitely over-cited all my sources out of worry I wasn’t doing enough of them


message 34: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Read that first quote again, S. and you'll see that it is anti-communist a la' Karl Popper or, closer to home, Raymond Aron. Caligula wants people to die for a pseudo-science. This pl..."

D'accord. S., but this rewrite must be seen in the light of his post-war feud with Sartre and the latter's bent towards Marxism. Jean-Paul wrote "Marxism is the unsurpassable political philosophy ouf our time", a statement sure to enrage Camus. I've yet to read an important writer who didn't say "I never meant to imply that in my work", e.g. Camus and Heidegger both denying their writings were existentialist, or Burroughs steering clear of the Beats.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Read that first quote again, S. and you'll see that it is anti-communist a la' Karl Popper or, closer to home, Raymond Aron. Caligula wants people to die for a pse..."

Ha Yea i kind of enjoy that everyone just considers him an existentialist anyways like buddy you aren’t fooling anyone haha. Though this one was written before he’d met Sartre in 43 so I guess I’ll allow him that. It does have a lot of vibes that he later expanded in The Rebel though, which I really enjoy about Camus that you can kind of see the arc of his thinking moving through his works and how much Sartre and his feud influenced that. I’m in Mandarins where that argument over Marxism is really shaping up haha, which Beauvoir was into too. There’s a few lines in Second Sex where she refers to Soviet Russia as the place where women will finally be liberated and it’s like oh no, Simone, no haha


message 36: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Si, S. Sartre and De Beauvoir later switched their love towards Cuba, then Mao's China and finally wound up political orphans. Still, that's better than Camus embracing the lunatic right on the question of Algeria.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Si, S. Sartre and De Beauvoir later switched their love towards Cuba, then Mao's China and finally wound up political orphans. Still, that's better than Camus embracing the lunatic right on the que..."

Ha I didn't realize the later ones. I can see it though, I mean thats sort of the leftist pipeline of like...really wanting these places to work and being very disappointed. But FAIR haha. Sartre really hammered Camus on that too it seems. That Gloag book on Camus addresses practically everything about him in context of Camus's stance against the revolution.


message 38: by Brad (new)

Brad Lyerla This is a very fine review. Thank you so much for the care and thoughtfulness you gave here.


s.penkevich Brad wrote: "This is a very fine review. Thank you so much for the care and thoughtfulness you gave here."

Thank you so much! Been on a big Camus kick lately, he’s a fun one as you can kind of see how all the pieces start to fit together.


message 40: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Si, S. Sartre and De Beauvoir later switched their love towards Cuba, then Mao's China and finally wound up political orphans. Still, that's better than Camus embracing the lunatic ri..."

In his last years Camus assumed a conspiratorial view of global politics, with everything, including the Algerian revolution, being a product of Moscow. He wrote of the USSR aiming to "surround the Mediterranean" by way of the Arab states from Egypt to Algeria. I wonder what he would have made of the upheaval of the Sixties? I can see him as a future French neo-con.


message 41: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Actually, this is not a phenomenon limited to the left. Malraux went from Communist to Gaullist, and blasted the May 1968 "Events" as the French call the Paris uprising, as "the farcical phase of revolution".


message 42: by s.penkevich (last edited Apr 22, 2023 10:42PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Si, S. Sartre and De Beauvoir later switched their love towards Cuba, then Mao's China and finally wound up political orphans. Still, that's better than Camus embr..."

Oh dang I didn’t realize he got that conspiratorial about it. And neo-con seems a good way to put that. That group—and understandably so having been under occupation—all had varying takes on ethical living and what level of violence was acceptable and when, like even here Cherea is his mouthpiece on that philosophical struggle. Beauvoir’s take was like well we don’t have time to re-educate them fast enough so if you gotta kill a Nazi remember they brought it on themselves haha. I mean much more sophisticated and a pretty well done discussion on how maximizing freedom for all inevitably means removing someone who’s continued existence disproportionately harms freedom in mass, but also just like “live ethically! It’s okay to kill Nazis though, especially when pressed for time, don’t worry� haha
But yea, I could see him supporting certain invasions on that’s stance (I mean, so much of that mindset shared by those backing Bush-Part II’s Wars). A few months back I read somewhere a pretty good take on how in the US with removal from really understanding French politics Camus was able to be a hero on either side of the spectrum based on which parts of him someone emphasizes.


message 43: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Camus, like Orwell, can be cherry picked by both the left and the right. Also like Orwell, he convinced himself that Stalinism was a greater danger than anything on the right, including colonialism. "Fascism {unlike Communism} never really aimed for a global empire". (THE REBEL). The theme of "how far are you willing to go in fighting the enemy?' is much more deeply explored in his play adaptation of Dostoevsky's THE POSSESSED. Camus seems to take the Nietzschean position of "he who fights the dragon becomes the dragon".


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Camus, like Orwell, can be cherry picked by both the left and the right. Also like Orwell, he convinced himself that Stalinism was a greater danger than anything on the right, including colonialism..."

Ha true, i do roll my eyes whenever I see anyone cite Orwell or 1984 as a rebuttal on socialism when in his own intro to the book there is that line about “Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.� But good point in his concerns over Stalin and communism, I feel like there is a lot of nuance missing from most interpretations of books like Animal Farm.

Oh good to know! I actually was recently gifted a copy of the Possessed play and was hoping to read that soon. And the Rebel, so far I’ve only ever read select passages of that one.


message 45: by Gaurav (new)

Gaurav What a brilliant essay you've written here, Steve.. I have not rad the play yet and your fantastic write-up suggests that I should not delay it further. It had been a lifelong ordeal for Camus to not to be associated with the existentialism of Sartre but people invariably tend to miss the distinction between the philosophies of both.

Thanks for sharing this excellent write-up :)


s.penkevich Gaurav wrote: "What a brilliant essay you've written here, Steve.. I have not rad the play yet and your fantastic write-up suggests that I should not delay it further. It had been a lifelong ordeal for Camus to n..."

Thank you so much! It’s really worth the read, early Camus but certainly a literary expression of the trajectory of his ideas in a cool way. And true, they sort of ended up a package deal despite and likely because of their epic feud, which is kind of great in a way. I’ve been on a big Camus kick this year and have finally started to delve into Sartre, turns out the distinctions are some of the most engaging parts that keep me coming back. Hope you enjoy if you get to it, another I need to check out is The Possessed, I only just this month discovered he adapted a Dostoevsky novel into a play and that sounds fascinating.
Thanks again, great to see you back here too!


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Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Camus, like Orwell, can be cherry picked by both the left and the right. Also like Orwell, he convinced himself that Stalinism was a greater danger than anything on the right, includi..."

Camus once sighed, "I'm for the left, despite itself and in spite of me." The political atmosphere of the Fifties allowed, Orwell,Camus, Koestler et al to be used by the right, including the U.S. government. Koestler got off a good line too: "When people ask why I argue so much with the left I say 'because to people on the right I have nothing to say. I don't speak their language'".


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Camus, like Orwell, can be cherry picked by both the left and the right. Also like Orwell, he convinced himself that Stalinism was a greater danger than anything o..."

Wooooah that is a great quote, and too true.


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Julio Pino Koestler was a shady character, going from Communist to CIA-backed hack to New Age guru, but he could write penetratingly of politics.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Koestler was a shady character, going from Communist to CIA-backed hack to New Age guru, but he could write penetratingly of politics."

Huh that is fascinating, just had to wiki him as I knew next to nothing. All that British propagandist stuff is interesting, bummer about the double suicide too. But yea, I see how he put that insight to use ha I should read Darkness at Noon sometime


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