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Revan (Star Wars: The Old Republic, #1)
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"I feel so helpless. So useless."
Revan has had many titles and jobs - savior of the Republic, Jedi, Sith, mercenary, etc. But now Revan is content to be "husband" to Bastila Shan - until strange dreams of his hidden past haunt him. He teams up with Canderous Ordo to track down his past and hopefully destroy the evil before it destroys those he loves.
I'm going to just come out and say it: I, a huge fan of Star Wars, have never played either of the "Knights of the Old Republic" games. I know, I know, sacrilege. But I haven't been a big gamer and now that I am interested, my Vista laptop won't load it. So I was excited about this book - learning more about Revan, delving into his secrets. I wanted it to make me on fire for the game and the comics. I wanted Drew Karpyshyn to come in with his glory (as he did in the Darth Bane trilogy) and blow me out of the waters.
I am MASSIVELY disappointed with this effort. Honestly, it doesn't even feel like Karpyshyn is trying. The characters are bland, the story is boring, the ending makes the entire story pointless, and the writing is mediocre. This is nowhere near as good as his Darth Bane novels. It wasn't exciting, it wasn't compelling, and it didn't ever make me interested in learning more about Revan, Canderous, or any of the other characters.
But before I heap on the criticisms, let me dole out some compliments.
1. Karpyshyn does a nice job personifying the Mandalorians. I honestly think Karen Traviss, the author who dedicated a lot of her novels to fleshing out their culture, would be pleased at how Karpyshyn wrote them. Sure, it was silly they had to find a "Mask" in order to find a leader, but this is the past. People do weird things in the past. Don't you know that we used to be obsessed with the size of people's head? They developed a whole "science" dedicated to this weird belief and called it "phrenology".
2. Karpyshyn can write action. There are some good action scenes in here. Unfortunately, bland characters and bleh writing take away what would be some kick @$$ scenes.
And...that's all folks. Sorry.
The characters were so boring and bland, honestly, it's as if Karpyshyn cut them out of cardboard and wrote "REVAN", "BASTILA", and "SCOURGE" on the top so we'd know who was who. Revan, our Gary Stu of the novel (because EVERYONE thinks he's SO GREAT - even though, in the book, he doesn't do a whole helluva lot), could have been any Jedi. I got no sense of a deep history with him, feelings, desires, doubts, anything. It's like he was a blank sheet and kept TELLING us how we should feel instead of SHOWING US.
I could FEEL Bane's anger to his father. I could FEEL Bane's desire for power. I never felt Revan's love for his wife, compassion for his friends, or frustration at not knowing his past.
But honestly "boring", "bland", and "indistinguishable" isn't a characteristic solely attributed to Revan. The entire cast could be described with these adjectives. In fact, if I were to do as I normally do, name a character and then describe them, it would look like this:
"A is boring and bland."
"B is bland and boring."
"There is nothing special about C."
And so on. And because I don't want to subject you to that, I'll skip "analyzing" each character and instead tell you some general trends that bugged me.
The women are HORRIBLY treated in this novel. Which is strange because I felt that Drew made Zannah one of the better written female characters in the Star Wars universe. Bastila Shan NEVER gets to do anything. She's always told to "stay home" and do her womanly duty, look after the child (even when she is only a month or two pregnant! Both Leia AND Mara were kicking @$$ when pregnant!). Bastila is a JEDI. She could have helped Revan in his initial mission. In fact, according to everyone else, she's supposed to be a kick @$$ Jedi. But no, Revan says to stay home with the baby, so Bastila stays. If I didn't read other reviews and conversations about KOTOR, I'd think that Bastila was yet another weak-willed "Padme Amidala", who does nothing but sit and home and mope about her man being gone.
(And my complaint isn't that she is upset about her husband being gone, it's that she never acts to find out what happened, instead foisting it on other people, as if she isn't a powerful Jedi.)
The OTHER annoying thing was the jealousy between the two women (Bastila and Meetra) over Revan. Bastila is jealous of Meetra, because Meetra is Revan's apprentice and has a "special relationship" with him. Meetra is jealous of Bastila because Bastila is Revan's wife. Does this happen in real life? Sure! Is the exploration here any good? HELL NO! Does it serve any purpose! HAHAHAHAHA, no way! Karpyshyn doesn't take the time to delve into each woman's feelings about Revan or push the narrative to a new level. It's' just a throwaway detail. Because, we can't have two women with separate connections to a man (wife, student) without the two women immediately being jealous of each other. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this flouncing around in Young Adult; I NEVER thought I would EVER have to complain about in a Star Wars book.
The last character I want to highlight is Scourge. Scourge is a great example of . We are told time and time again how "smart" and "skilled" he is, but he is constantly being out-maneuvered and outwitted by nearly every other character. It got to the point where I figured that he deluded himself into thinking he was great; he actually was probably a mediocre to poor Sith.
The gist of Revan's story here is supposed to be about him "finding his past". But then we get this weird story about Scourge and all the ways everyone can dupe him and outsmart him which doesn't make sense until 2/3 through the book. Both stories felt very much like video games: go here. Defeat boss. Get MacGuffin. Decode. Wash, rinse, repeat.
What probably disappointed me even more (if that is possible) is the ending. I can't say much, but I will say this: WHAT WAS THE POINT? Why write this story if THAT is your ending??? I hope that Karpyshyn TRIES to tie up these ends in Annihilation.
And your favorite and mine...NERD NITPICKS!!
1. The Mandalorians, a rather practical culture as defined in recent Star Wars lore, cannot have a leader of all their clans without a "Mask". This method of rule is just bursting full of problems. Though it does make a good MacGuffin for Canderous and Revan to chase.
2. I am soooo tired of Star Wars authors feeling the need to write an even more evil, bad, horrible, wicked Sith than has come before. It's at the point where you might as well just have Satan come out of Hell and start attacking the Jedi, because that's what the Emperor basically is in this book.
3. "Basic - the lingua franca of interstellar trade was known to virtually every spacefaring species in the galaxy" Why is this line in here, not once but TWICE? I think most Star Wars fans that would be reading this book would be able to WRITE forwards and backwards in Basic (Aurabesh BTW). The ONLY ones who could benefit from this are newbies, and WHY would a newbie pick up this book to start off with? Are the publishers trying to reach gamer fans of KOTOR who aren't into Star Wars? HUH??
Thank you for joining us in another NERD NITPICK!
I won't mince words: this book is massively disappointing. Disappointing as a Karpyshyn fan, disappointing as a Star Wars fan, disappointing as a potential Revan fan. I'm so underwhelmed with this novel, I'm almost dreading to read anything else by Karpyshyn or starring Revan.
I don't recommend this for fans of the video game. I don't really recommend this to Star Wars fans, new or old. This is not Karpyshyn's best work, and I don't know if that is because of deadlines, because of storyline restrictions or what. All I know is I'm one sad Star Wars fan, who is hoping Annihilation is better.
Revan has had many titles and jobs - savior of the Republic, Jedi, Sith, mercenary, etc. But now Revan is content to be "husband" to Bastila Shan - until strange dreams of his hidden past haunt him. He teams up with Canderous Ordo to track down his past and hopefully destroy the evil before it destroys those he loves.
I'm going to just come out and say it: I, a huge fan of Star Wars, have never played either of the "Knights of the Old Republic" games. I know, I know, sacrilege. But I haven't been a big gamer and now that I am interested, my Vista laptop won't load it. So I was excited about this book - learning more about Revan, delving into his secrets. I wanted it to make me on fire for the game and the comics. I wanted Drew Karpyshyn to come in with his glory (as he did in the Darth Bane trilogy) and blow me out of the waters.
I am MASSIVELY disappointed with this effort. Honestly, it doesn't even feel like Karpyshyn is trying. The characters are bland, the story is boring, the ending makes the entire story pointless, and the writing is mediocre. This is nowhere near as good as his Darth Bane novels. It wasn't exciting, it wasn't compelling, and it didn't ever make me interested in learning more about Revan, Canderous, or any of the other characters.
But before I heap on the criticisms, let me dole out some compliments.
1. Karpyshyn does a nice job personifying the Mandalorians. I honestly think Karen Traviss, the author who dedicated a lot of her novels to fleshing out their culture, would be pleased at how Karpyshyn wrote them. Sure, it was silly they had to find a "Mask" in order to find a leader, but this is the past. People do weird things in the past. Don't you know that we used to be obsessed with the size of people's head? They developed a whole "science" dedicated to this weird belief and called it "phrenology".
2. Karpyshyn can write action. There are some good action scenes in here. Unfortunately, bland characters and bleh writing take away what would be some kick @$$ scenes.
And...that's all folks. Sorry.
The characters were so boring and bland, honestly, it's as if Karpyshyn cut them out of cardboard and wrote "REVAN", "BASTILA", and "SCOURGE" on the top so we'd know who was who. Revan, our Gary Stu of the novel (because EVERYONE thinks he's SO GREAT - even though, in the book, he doesn't do a whole helluva lot), could have been any Jedi. I got no sense of a deep history with him, feelings, desires, doubts, anything. It's like he was a blank sheet and kept TELLING us how we should feel instead of SHOWING US.
I could FEEL Bane's anger to his father. I could FEEL Bane's desire for power. I never felt Revan's love for his wife, compassion for his friends, or frustration at not knowing his past.
But honestly "boring", "bland", and "indistinguishable" isn't a characteristic solely attributed to Revan. The entire cast could be described with these adjectives. In fact, if I were to do as I normally do, name a character and then describe them, it would look like this:
"A is boring and bland."
"B is bland and boring."
"There is nothing special about C."
And so on. And because I don't want to subject you to that, I'll skip "analyzing" each character and instead tell you some general trends that bugged me.
The women are HORRIBLY treated in this novel. Which is strange because I felt that Drew made Zannah one of the better written female characters in the Star Wars universe. Bastila Shan NEVER gets to do anything. She's always told to "stay home" and do her womanly duty, look after the child (even when she is only a month or two pregnant! Both Leia AND Mara were kicking @$$ when pregnant!). Bastila is a JEDI. She could have helped Revan in his initial mission. In fact, according to everyone else, she's supposed to be a kick @$$ Jedi. But no, Revan says to stay home with the baby, so Bastila stays. If I didn't read other reviews and conversations about KOTOR, I'd think that Bastila was yet another weak-willed "Padme Amidala", who does nothing but sit and home and mope about her man being gone.
(And my complaint isn't that she is upset about her husband being gone, it's that she never acts to find out what happened, instead foisting it on other people, as if she isn't a powerful Jedi.)
The OTHER annoying thing was the jealousy between the two women (Bastila and Meetra) over Revan. Bastila is jealous of Meetra, because Meetra is Revan's apprentice and has a "special relationship" with him. Meetra is jealous of Bastila because Bastila is Revan's wife. Does this happen in real life? Sure! Is the exploration here any good? HELL NO! Does it serve any purpose! HAHAHAHAHA, no way! Karpyshyn doesn't take the time to delve into each woman's feelings about Revan or push the narrative to a new level. It's' just a throwaway detail. Because, we can't have two women with separate connections to a man (wife, student) without the two women immediately being jealous of each other. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this flouncing around in Young Adult; I NEVER thought I would EVER have to complain about in a Star Wars book.
The last character I want to highlight is Scourge. Scourge is a great example of . We are told time and time again how "smart" and "skilled" he is, but he is constantly being out-maneuvered and outwitted by nearly every other character. It got to the point where I figured that he deluded himself into thinking he was great; he actually was probably a mediocre to poor Sith.
The gist of Revan's story here is supposed to be about him "finding his past". But then we get this weird story about Scourge and all the ways everyone can dupe him and outsmart him which doesn't make sense until 2/3 through the book. Both stories felt very much like video games: go here. Defeat boss. Get MacGuffin. Decode. Wash, rinse, repeat.
What probably disappointed me even more (if that is possible) is the ending. I can't say much, but I will say this: WHAT WAS THE POINT? Why write this story if THAT is your ending??? I hope that Karpyshyn TRIES to tie up these ends in Annihilation.
And your favorite and mine...NERD NITPICKS!!
1. The Mandalorians, a rather practical culture as defined in recent Star Wars lore, cannot have a leader of all their clans without a "Mask". This method of rule is just bursting full of problems. Though it does make a good MacGuffin for Canderous and Revan to chase.
2. I am soooo tired of Star Wars authors feeling the need to write an even more evil, bad, horrible, wicked Sith than has come before. It's at the point where you might as well just have Satan come out of Hell and start attacking the Jedi, because that's what the Emperor basically is in this book.
3. "Basic - the lingua franca of interstellar trade was known to virtually every spacefaring species in the galaxy" Why is this line in here, not once but TWICE? I think most Star Wars fans that would be reading this book would be able to WRITE forwards and backwards in Basic (Aurabesh BTW). The ONLY ones who could benefit from this are newbies, and WHY would a newbie pick up this book to start off with? Are the publishers trying to reach gamer fans of KOTOR who aren't into Star Wars? HUH??
Thank you for joining us in another NERD NITPICK!
I won't mince words: this book is massively disappointing. Disappointing as a Karpyshyn fan, disappointing as a Star Wars fan, disappointing as a potential Revan fan. I'm so underwhelmed with this novel, I'm almost dreading to read anything else by Karpyshyn or starring Revan.
I don't recommend this for fans of the video game. I don't really recommend this to Star Wars fans, new or old. This is not Karpyshyn's best work, and I don't know if that is because of deadlines, because of storyline restrictions or what. All I know is I'm one sad Star Wars fan, who is hoping Annihilation is better.
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Reading Progress
June 28, 2012
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November 10, 2012
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Started Reading
November 11, 2012
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2.82%
"So I've never had the pleasure of playing the game or reading the comics (yet). So far, this doesn't seem to be Karpyshyn's best writing. Clunky info-dumping, needless repetition. Too early for any big complaints, but I'm a bit wary."
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10
November 13, 2012
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6.5%
"Finally on chapter 2. Feels like pulling teeth. Is Anita Blake destroying my love of reading??"
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23
November 14, 2012
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7.91%
"Gotta say one thing good about this book: at least we finally see an Empire where humans aren't the ones being bad and oppressive."
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28
November 14, 2012
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10.73%
"Four paragraphs which pretty much repeat the same thing. This is not Karpyshyn's best work."
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38
November 15, 2012
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12.99%
"More complaining (sorry): this feels so generic and bland, not to mention written as if the reader knows nothing of Star Wars. Where is the Karpyshyn who created the magnificent, fierce Darth Bane?"
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46
November 18, 2012
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17.51%
"I know I'm whining yet again about the same thing, but this book is so dry. I keep finding my attention fading, wandering to ANYTHING else. I reread several portions over and over because of my lack of attention. And then we have what are fairly decent action scenes that fall flat because I have zero investment in the characters."
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November 19, 2012
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20.9%
"Wow, that characterization was juvenile. Revan "Marty Stu" good; anyone who doesn't think him a savior (Atris, the Jedi Archivist), bad and judgmental. NOT improving my opinion of this book any."
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74
November 21, 2012
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25.99%
"Bastila is officially an idiot. "Let's ignore the evil stuff because it PROBABLY won't happen for a couple of years! Who cares if it becomes my spawn's problem, I want my latte dammit!" Am I supposed to LIKE these characters or LAUGH at them??? This could have been an interesting angle, but the execution is severely flawed."
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November 26, 2012
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31.07%
"A third of the way through the book and no sign that Scourge's plot has any bearing on Revan's or vice versa. Bonus points for both plots being A) boring and B) haphazardly done."
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110
November 27, 2012
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37.01%
"While this has been an underwhelming book, I've liked the way Karpyshyn has handled the Mandalorians. I think Traviss would be proud."
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131
November 29, 2012
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39.83%
"I am still po'd that Bastila was shoved out of the plot "because she was pregnant". And not even showing at that!! Leia was kicking @$$ in the thrash trilogy and she was pregnant. Hell, I'd be more forgiving if Karpyshyn hadn't bothered to bring her up, if all he wanted was a "boy's night out" story. Better than telling a TRAINED JEDI KNIGHT she can't come along because she's "pregnant" and needs to be coddled."
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November 29, 2012
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46.61%
"Just trying to read as fast as I can to figure out how these two stories interact."
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165
November 30, 2012
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47.74%
"The Gary Stueness of Revan continues. He can do no wrong and must be adopted into the clan he nearly obliterated. And, of course, the woman is wrooooooong for not wanting this. Because she's a woman. Ugh."
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November 30, 2012
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49.15%
"And the woman - who wasn't important enough to appear in the Character List - is dead. And somehow, I'm supposed to like Revan, feel sorry he "had" to kill her, and be cheering him on. NOT HAPPENING. Revan is the least likeable character in this book."
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December 1, 2012
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51.13%
"Okay, honestly: This plot could have been a video game. Go here. Kill these guys. Learn this information. Rinse and repeat. Yawn."
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181
December 1, 2012
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54.52%
""They will try to finish the extermination of our species that they began in the Great Hyperspace War!" And now characters are speaking in plot points! Drew, if you were trying to imitate GL's dialogue of the prequels, you succeeded!"
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December 1, 2012
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57.06%
"And let's skip 4 somewhat interesting years (we could have seen A WOMAN fight!!!) to go back to Revan and his boring story. Because Revan is such a scintillating Gary Stu - I mean! - character."
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December 1, 2012
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57.63%
"GOOD GOD, even in Star Wars books, we have women jealous of other women OVER A MAN!! Bastila, YOU ARE MARRIED TO REVAN!! Stop being jealous of any other woman with a remote connection to him!! JEEZ!!"
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December 1, 2012
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58.47%
""Only the power of Revan's love had redeemed her." Because a woman can only be redeemed by a man. *headdesk* How is this book able to make me MADDER as time goes on?"
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December 1, 2012
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59.32%
""I feel so helpless. So useless." That's because YOU ARE, Bastila!!"
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210
December 1, 2012
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61.02%
""Basic - the lingua franca of interstellar trade was known to virtually every spacefaring species in the galaxy" WHO IS THIS WRITTEN FOR?!? Star Wars fans have known this for over 20 years! New fans would probably not be reading a book starring a character made famous in an RPG. Drew, WHAT HEPPENED TO YOU? Y u make me cry?"
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216
December 3, 2012
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64.12%
"Still puzzling over the three year time skip. I appreciate the book not rushing and having everything happen in two days, but what is the point of skipping three years?"
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December 3, 2012
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66.95%
"Another mention of Basic being the universal language??? It was weird the first time; doubly so here."
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237
December 4, 2012
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70.06%
"Gah, Scourge is such a stupid @$$! He doesn't even get a hint he's walking right into Revan's trap!"
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248
December 4, 2012
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74.01%
"So a SITH and a JEDI are teaming up to destroy EVUL BAD JOOJOO Sith Emperor who kills all life on a planet single-hanedly? Sure, THAT sounds likely. Even TOR:FA had a better conceit."
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December 5, 2012
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77.68%
"It's a hohum climax, but at least I can finally see how the Revan-Scourge storylines tie in."
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275
December 5, 2012
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83.9%
"I know Nyriss isn't as powerful as the Emperor, but geesh, you don't have to have Gary Stu wipe her out in two paragraphs. A little FIGHT and STRUGGLE would do our Gary Stu good."
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December 6, 2012
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91.53%
"Scourge. The epitome of TvTropes' "Informed Ability". Supposedly smart, cunning, skilled, but is easily deluded, outsmarted, and defeated. A stupid, stupid character."
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December 6, 2012
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Finished Reading
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I totally didn't expect to get my hands on Annihilation so soon! After forking over so much for the disappointing TFU, I'm only buying the hardcovers I am 100% I'll like (like Zahn). Or if I can find them through Amazon Vine (which are typically ARCs) I'll pick them up there.

Yes, I do!! I haven't tried it, though it does look cute...


TFU is pretty bad; I may not be fond of Revan here, but he has way more character and personality than Starkiller. And though there are aspects of this book that feel like a video game, nothing compares to the missions Starkiller embarks on in TFU.
But I still think the worst book is "Jedi Trial", simply because the writing is awful, the characters are unrecognizable or badly written, and the story is so generic to be unimportant. There have been SO MANY better Clone Wars stories than JT.


I hunk it would be a shame if they split the continuity. There are a lot of places for them to work in, if they have the inclination. If the world was capped out and there was a good explanation for the alternate reality, MAYBE I could get overlooking EU.
Oh well, regardless, I'll be tuning in to future books.


This book is just so disappointing. Instead of being on fire to play the RPG or read the comics, I just want it over :P Most disappointing Star Wars read this year (so far).


The one thing that this book has taught me is that Drew wouldn't be a terrible pick to finish Traviss' Commando series.






Very interesting!! I hadn't thought of it that way before. I just knew that the author kept saying how awesome Revan was - and everyone else thinks that. Meetra. Bastila. Even Scourge! They all go on about his "strength of will" and somesuch, and I'm just like, "Huh?"
Maybe it would be better to say he has an . He is supposedly so great, but nothing he really does seems all that special. (Most of it is in the past, which the reader doesn't know or maybe killing Nyriss, but maybe she was a wimp :P)


Just got it up!! It's a doozy...I'm going to say the most disappointing Star Wars read this year (even more than "Knight Errant"!).

If you can get at your library, you could check it out to see if you like.


If it doesn't bug you, that's cool. I could just be hyper-sensitive.




I think one of THE saddest things about this book is I felt absolutely no connection to this rich, immersive video game that has charmed so many. Characters are missing; the remaining characters are so bland and underwhelming. There is little humor; character abilities are informed. The book is more a setup for TOR MMO than a wrap up for KOTOR.

Yeah, that probably would have been better. I guess I can just relate to them; I've gotten jealous over stupid things about a guy that I know I shouldn't be jealous of, but I can't help it anyway.
But if we all had the same opinions we wouldn't need to discuss things at such length!


And is it just me or does this book feel like what Michael Bay would do to Star Wars?

There are a LOT of Star Wars books that IMO sound like Michael Bay movies!
This was SUCH a disappointing book to read! I had never played KOTOR and thought this would ignite a desire - NOPE!

Quite a shame though that this book turned you off from playing KOTOR though, because those games are both great.
To be fair I understand why this book would make you not want to check the games out because the characters were way off, particularly bastila. Revan and Meetra are the characters the player takes on in the KOTOR games but here they are really bland and uninteresting.


Obviously you're free to do what you please, but that's just my suggestion! I started with the Bane trilogy and I then went on like I said above and I'm quite happy with that.

Thank you for this clarification! I assumed that most of the people who would read this were already familiar with the video game, that this, unlike some of the other Star Wars books (Dawn of the Jedi, Bane, Scoundrels, Hard Contact), was not intended as a "gateway" book.
I personally recommend starting with Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire", "Dark Force Rising" and "The Last Command". I'll admit, though, I'm a big Zahn fangirl. It's entirely possible to jump around or pick an era and read only that or pick an author exclusively or go chronologically. It all depends on what you are game for.

Karpyshyn's Bane trilogy was superb; I don't know how such an author of such an amazing trilogy dropped the ball with this one.