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Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro
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it was amazing
bookshelves: blew-my-mind, great-britain, the-body, im-emigration-post-colonial

** spoiler alert ** i wrote this on feb 11, 2006. it took me a bit of digging through discs to find it. i'm posting it so i can contribute to the conversation that is going on over at jennifer aka eccentric muse. check it out.

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i finished kazuo ishiguro’s never let me go two nights ago and i wish i had written about it immediately, while i was still “inside� it, but i didn’t have time and i have now started a new book (ali smith’s the accidental). in any case, never let me go is a quite exceptional literary accomplishment, though i think ishiguro’s decision to break the spell at the end was a bit unfortunate, that it was aesthetically clumsy. but this may just be me. it’s just that this book is so entirely mysterious, not only because of this subject matter, but, even more so, for the way ishiguro decides to portray it. it is mysterious, for instance, that the book’s england should be so bucolic, so a-modern, some fantasy-land not necessarily beautiful (it is often grey and rainy), but certainly uncontaminated by the worst of civilization. even cars figure in it only accidentally, and TV sets. but no phones, no modern devices, no cities. there is a scene near the end when kathy, ruth, and tommy are quite taken by some big advertising poster, and what’s striking it’s the sense of wonderment these people have, not precisely at manifestations of modernity—they seem not to care really� but at allusions to what their life might have been, or to what other people’s lives are like. i think the wonderment at the poster with the office scene is not that different from the wonderment they all feel at the strangely beached boat.

it’s occurring to me now, and i’m not going to go back and organize these thoughts better, that maybe the clones have a different sensibility from the “other people.� it seems pretty obvious from the boat scene that it is a big deal for all of them, even those who, like tommy, are at first not particularly interested. yet, it is also made somewhat clear (at least to me), that the boat is not a big deal for people in general. it’s an event that really affects this community but not other communities, for some reason. so one might think that the idea is that the clones have a different sensibility.

their most striking feature—even though ishiguro magisterially makes it come across as if it were absolutely normal, so you realize it is strange only after thinking about it a bit—is how obsessed they are by the vagaries of their relationships with one another. kathy, as the narrator, analyzes little events and exchanges between her and the people in her life to the minutest detail, as if they had the greatest significance in the world. it is only when the book ends that you realize that none of it was really that important, except maybe all the discussions that concern the clones� relationship with the guardians, because those provide clues to their status and future as clones. but this is interesting for us, the readers, the normal people. to them, to the clones, what is important are the subtlest nuances of their friendship, and their rapport to the guardians. it’s as if their world were incredibly fragile, and they needed to pay tremendous attention in order not to not spoil the good mood between them or make things uncomfortable.

so the strange thing about this book is that these characters, or at least kathy, are simultaneously detached and obsessed. they are detached from what worries most of us, the readers. but they are obsessed with their—not inner life exactly, but the inner life of their relationships. kathy never spends much time analyzing the way she feels (the scene with the “never let me go� song is an exception, though obviously an important one), but she spends a tremendous amount of time analyzing the way she feels towards tommy and ruth, and they way they feel towards her and each other.

both tommy and ruth are, by the way, not wholly sympathetic characters. you keep expecting to find out why we should care about them, but at the end there’s nothing. so it is unclear, too, why kathy should love either of them so much. and it is hard, ultimately, to determine how much she loves them. she does, in spite of the title, let them go rather matter-of-factly, even though i’m fairly sure those separations are meant to be more emotional and devastating than i myself felt them.

it is undeniable, though, that the book doesn’t call for much identification on the part of the reader. although undeniably human, the characters are also wholly alien, partly because of the things i’ve mentioned so far, partly because of their passive acceptance of their “destiny.�

why don’t they conceive of a different life for themselves? why don’t they run away? but they don’t, even though it is absolutely clear that they received little to no indoctrination at hailsham; that, in fact, the whole purpose of hailsham was to keep them as innocent as possible about their future.

so this intensely moody, mysterious atmosphere gets somewhat spoiled, i think, when kathy and tommy (and we) get told about everything, get given the whole sorry story, at emily’s and marie claude’s house at the end. there the book jumps, if for a second, into realist mode, and though i am a great fan of realist fiction and do not typically enjoy non-realist fiction, it is a bit of a let down. we did after all gather a sense of what was going on, and i, for one, would not have minded if the book had left me with some unanswered questions.

a lot of this book reminded me of an incredible japanese film i saw a couple of years ago, afterlife. same mixture of dingy realism (broken down houses, cassette tapes, mud, fences, cement, roadside cafés) and intense concentration on the characters� interaction with each other, but in a way that makes them absolutely alien to us, the viewers.

this book gathers its rarefied, elegiac atmosphere also, partly, from what it omits: clothing is barely there (not in the sense that the characters go around naked, but in the sense that their clothes are rarely described), as are physical appearances. in general, what is missing is all that concern the life and comfort of the body: food, sleep, money, homes, rest, play. and, to some extent, even the life and comfort of the mind: though there are books (i found ishiguro’s dropping of classics� titles playful rather them meaningful in a deep way), but there are no cinema, no theatre, no museums, no history, no buildings and monuments, no science. also: no alcohol, no smoke, no drugs. even illness and physical decay, a key element of course of the novel, are dealt with with incredible scarcity of details: what gets donated on the “donations?� why carers? how are the recovering patients taken care of? are they in pain? do they take medication? do they undergo dialysis? there are only “tests� and “completions,� and that’s about it as far as the details of the grueling medical procedures they have been “created for� are concerned.

the whole sociology and morality of the cloning business is touched upon only at the end, in the scene with emily and marie claude that i thought ham-fisted, too explicit for such an inexplicit book. there are these mysterious “they� who send notices and keep the clones lined up for the next task, but one feels strangely incurious about them. the story, ultimately, is not about what goes on (and that’s why the scene at the end doesn’t work). the book is about holding on to one’s humanity, about balancing knowledge and ignorance, maybe about faith and love and those precious, fragile, impalpable things that keep us human in a inhuman world.
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February 9, 2006 – Finished Reading
July 27, 2007 – Shelved
December 26, 2008 – Shelved as: blew-my-mind
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July 19, 2010 – Shelved as: the-body
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message 1: by Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) (last edited Jul 19, 2010 10:02AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) I'm blown away by this review, and there is so much in here to comment on. Let me start with how you describe reading the atmosphere--how Ishiguro creates this other-worldly place as a spell (unfortunately broken at the end).

The boat, the billboard, and also the clown--remember the clown?--I pictured as you did, in a mist of grey fog, rain. And yet--Ishiguro uses sunlight, daylight, sunny weather *everywhere*. It's such a strong symbol throughout. At the beginning of the boat scene he says: "What I remember about that part of our trip to the boat was that for the first time in ages the sun started to shine weakly through the greyness...".

Couldn't you have just sworn that entire scene took place in the rain?

This is an amazing feat: to deliberately tell us it's sunny, but we see grey skies. And he does the same thing with characters: he shows us characters who are constantly trying to protect each others' feelings, but we see how vicious they are to one another. Calling each other stupid, absolutely nasty name-calling and mind-tripping, tricking and trapping each other in verbal games; trying to get one up, get the emotional upper-hand. With each other, that is. With the guardians, they misread every action as potentially being against the rules--although there don't seem to be any, nor any punishment really for transgressing them. Only the fear of it. Like the fear of the electrified fence that doesn't exist either. This is, after all, the best way to enforce slavery--let the stories of the punishments inflicted stand in for any reality. What we make up in our head is always worse than what we are directly told.

This is one of his points, isn't it?

And what else is Ishiguro saying about psychological captivity? We all ask, why didn't they just run away? They do not run away, because they are held captive by their situation ... as captive as anyone else whose social standing imposes such rigid constraints. This is why one of my multiple choice answers is that this is the same story, different setting, as The Remains of the Day.

All this black-is-white business, when applied to the emotional lives of these characters seems to result in a wash-out. And my head hurts.

Back later. I hope we haven't totally ruined it for Ellen, who now of course *must* read this.


Esteban del Mal Not to be churlish, but are you people saints?

Do you think any of us would act any different in the same circumstance? Stripped of a narrative, you make one -- and history has shown that constructing narratives, macro and micro alike, is a painful, lugubrious thing. Ishiguro captures that. The narrator's perspective is limited and imperfect, and purposely so. I think you have to approach the book through her perspective. She doesn’t have a “history,� neither should we.

I felt like I'd come across somebody's diary. This book made me ashamed of myself, affecting my mood for days. Maybe having been moved in such a way, I can be accused of letting my emotions color my thoughts on it (I also read it slowly, at least in comparison to other things I've read in the last year or two, and was myself a little depressed as I read it, being away from my family for a week for work).

In any case, I'm enjoying the discussion.


message 3: by Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) (last edited Jul 19, 2010 12:36PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "Not to be churlish, but are you people saints?

Do you think any of us would act any different in the same circumstance? Stripped of a narrative, you make one -- and history has shown that const..."


I couldn't get to the place you did -- I didn't have the empathy you had for the characters. So strike me from the saint roster. But! What's really interesting in your response--correct me if I'm reading you wrong--is that you identified with the cloners, yeah? Or the guardians--specifically, Miss Emily? (or both, and also Kathy)? You think that put into that circumstance, you--we all--would do the same thing?

So Ishiguro was successful in accomplishing that with you--he made you empathize with his characters, feel the injustice of their situation, and feel a culpable part of a society that would allow that to happen.

I wish he had just kept going down the path of Tommy and Kathy wanting more time together. I am a masochist, I guess, but that would have made the emotional lives of these characters more coherent. But how quickly, and with what equanimity, they accepted that they weren't to have it! That (among other things) was just ... weird. Otherworldly.

The pathos that was making you crazy (I think?) was what I felt Ishiguro was doing really well, until it all went tits up at the end.

(I would have put this on my thread, but there's innards strewn all about over there.)


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Kristi  Siegel Well, you are churlish, Esteban :), but your review and jo's are convincing to give this book another shot (gets out gun). No, I'm kidding; I'll try reading it again.


message 5: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo thanks, guys!!!! really nice comments! i'll get to them when i have a minute. :)


Esteban del Mal I'm at work and don't like pecking on my iPhone, but I'm going to try to get my thoughts together and mount a defense tomorrow.


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Kristi  Siegel (I would have put this on my thread, but there's innards strewn all about over there.)

*
Oh God. I think that was me. Sorry, Jennifer/EM.


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) *snicker*

I think Esteban started it. And he never got his cake, I don't think. But who wants cake with innards? Except possibly the French.


message 9: by Kristi (new) - added it

Kristi  Siegel Oh, for sure. Esteban started it. It's his fault I acted like I was about 2 y.o.

On topic, this really is a lovely review, jo, and I've got the book right here staring me in the face. I just need to read *Mrs. Dalloway* first.


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

Only some of the French like cake. The rest have this handy new invention.


Esteban del Mal EM wrote: "(I would have put this on my thread, but there's innards strewn all about over there.)"

I'm sorry for walking around in my underwear over on your thread. I wasn't expecting company.

Ellen wrote: "Oh, for sure. Esteban started it."

Did not. I was standing idly by and suddenly and unexpectedly sucker-punched right in my Revolutionary Road. I've been peeing blood ever since.

Ceridwen wrote: "Only some of the French like cake. The rest have this handy new invention.

Is anyone else creeped out when Ceridwen gets cryptic? Maybe she's alluding to her Frankenstein review, which is one of the most impressive reviews I've read on GR and might even provide us with some insights into Never Let Me Go.

1.) EM: I replied to your question about "liberal half-measures" glibly on my review. Why? Because I didn't know how to answer. Having given it some thought (which is no guarantee "I know" how to answer, mind you), I think he's saying that a science divorced from ethics can put us on a course that is difficult to alter, barring wholesale change. A Pandora's box better left unopened.

What is it about the ending that bothers you most? The explanation of the fate awaiting the characters from their former teachers? The resignation to such a fate by the characters? The apathy of society at large?


message 12: by [deleted user] (new)

Sometimes I write from phone.
Concision makes imprecision.
'Twas bad Guillotine joke.

Not having read this,
Sounds like Frank's concerns apply;
Are kids the box, though?


Esteban del Mal Lock up your kids and canned goods! She's running amok!


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "I replied to your question about "liberal half-measures" glibly on my review."

I noticed that. I didn't know how hard to push back at you, but now that I've seen you in your underwear, the gloves are off... ;-)

Esteban wrote: "What is it about the ending that bothers you most? The explanation of the fate awaiting the characters from their former teachers? The resignation to such a fate by the characters? The apathy of society at large?"

Here's the thing: I think there are actually three different books here, any one of which I might have liked better. There is:

1) the investigation of personal relationships within a constrained world, a disenfranchised group -- classic Ishiguro. His strike zone. Lots of people hate this because it does kind of plod along, nothing happens, it's all about nuance, hidden personal agendas, social constraints and social awkwardness as a result. But I like that. He does it well. The Remains of the Day was a fine book, and this one could have been a similar examination, albeit a different setting and scenario. He didn't need cloning and organ harvesting for this.

2) There is the straight-up cloning-bioethics-dystopian SF story. It doesn't work on this level at all. There is absolutely no context provided for this story. 95% of the book is NOT about this, then all of a sudden it IS about this in the most clumsy way possible. (Also, I am just coming off Oryx & Crake, which does this so much better, and my dystopian/bioethics sniffers are in full-on bullshit/wool-being-pulled-over-my-eyes alert mode).

3) There is, as jo suggests, the SF story that is really more about the psychology of the clones and the strange world in which they live. Now that I've read jo's review, aside from my immediate 2-star response, I'm even more disappointed that he didn't tell THIS story fully. Get rid of that nasty ending, and see that story through to the end...pure atmosphere, all nuance, weird disembodied (no pun) images; and what is actually an unrequited love story among very damaged people--but with a twist. Yes! Me likey.

I object to the ending on stylistic, structural and thematic grounds. It's out of place, it's unnecessary, it's expositional, it grinds everything that led up to it to a complete halt. Just when it should be integrating, it bisects.

It also introduces, all in a dump of information that had already been alluded to (and which, even if you hadn't been spoiled at ALL about what this book is about, was already clear) what I could only read as the author's agenda, the moral, the lesson, the big capital P Point.

I hate being preached to, especially when I get ambushed, even when I agree with the sermon (and I don't even know that I do, frankly).

The ending is an unforgivable flaw--I can't do what jo has done and enjoy everything else, it really ruins everything for me.

So: liberal half-measures. Are we supposed to applaud or condemn the actions of the guardians and Madame?


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "Lock up your kids and canned goods! She's running amok!"

Haiku to you, too! (who's Frank?)


message 16: by [deleted user] (new)

Sorry. Now I'm not at my phone, so I can write without a syllable count - I really just wanted to get the updates, so I made a bad joke, and then all hell broke loose.

Frank = Frankenstein, but it didn't scan - I was just riffing on Esteban's comment about Frankenstein, which I see as a parenting crisis story - the sin *isn't* in the use of technology , but in the creator/parent's shitty parenting. Although, the shitty parenting comes from the ways technology influences one generation and not another, with all of it's implications. The creature/child is seen inhuman because of the method of his creation/education. Same here, no? But if you prick him, he bleeds, just to quote another character whose humanity was suspect because of his class/theology.

Now I'm just noodling about because I haven't read this. I should - it was on my list because a really good friend of mine and partner in reading in my offline life, just read it and was really ticked off by it. My friend and I read Remains of the day together and loved it, but he felt really emotionally distant from this.


message 17: by Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) (last edited Jul 20, 2010 01:49PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Ceridwen wrote: "the sin *isn't* in the use of technology , but in the creator/parent's shitty parenting. Although, the shitty parenting comes from the ways technology influences one generation and not another, with all of it's implications. The creature/child is seen inhuman because of the method of his creation/education. Same here, no? "

Not for me, no. Coulda been, maybe shoulda been, but wasn't. As I've rambled on about, he didn't give us any context to support how the clones came to be that way, nor about why their creators made them so (other than the obvious utilitarian purpose). And they weren't vilified anywhere. No villagers with pitchforks. No interaction virtually at all with anyone from the 'outside world' other than their guardians. They just sort of went about their lives and then succumbed to their fate.

But I feel so awful for all of you who are reading these threads and being spoiled. Aaack! Regardless of whatever we each think about it, this story is spoiled by spoiling. On that, I think we'd all agree.


message 18: by [deleted user] (new)

Ha! No, I love spoilers. Everyone reads past the spoiler box at their own peril, and I'm such a sloppy reader sometimes that I'm happy to know the plots and frameworks beforehand, because then I can focus on other things.


Esteban del Mal At work again. I plan on answering your thoughtful response, EM.


Esteban del Mal Well, I'm on hold on the telephone and will be for some time. So, against my better judgement, a reply straight from my iPhone.

This is the first book by Ishiguro I've read. I haven't so much as seen the movie for Remains of the Day. (I've wanted to, but I'm waiting until after I've read the book.) So I didn't know what to expect, whereas those familiar with him do.

I don't know how someone who knows the outcome could read this and enjoy it. For me the ending was fine, gratifying in a way. My suspicions were not only confirmed, they were eclipsed. I identified with pretty much all of the characters -- could see myself acting such a way under similar circumstances. It unnerved me. I'm not special, dammit. Why did Ishiguro have to go and do that to me?

I can understand your criticisms of the book. It's certainly different from what I'm accustomed to reading. Heck, I loaned it to a friend that I thought would enjoy it and she couldn't finish it. But my suspicions are that some folks could have such contempt for the characters that they end up disliking it, a sort of rationalization (not saying this is the case with you). They maddened me, too. I think that's why I like the story so much. I wanted them to lash out, was crestfallen when they didn't and, in the end, just wanted to curl up and die with them.


message 21: by Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) (last edited Jul 21, 2010 08:39AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "They maddened me, too. I think that's why I like the story so much. I wanted them to lash out, was crestfallen when they didn't and, in the end, just wanted to curl up and die with them. "

awww, see ... now that's what I love. I do think that Ishiguro deliberately created unsympathetic characters as an empathy test here. And you passed with flying colours! But I'd expect nothing less from an INFJ....

I will be so interested to hear how you find The Remains of the Day. By all means do the book first; I did it the other way around and it really messed with my head. For me, I am definitely going to read another Ishiguro sometime soon...either The Unconsoled or When We Were Orphans.


message 22: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo finally read this thread. i agree with everything everyone said, even when it looks as if you were disagreeing (you are not), EXCEPT:

stuff i didn't understand (mostly written by esteban and ceridwen while on phones), and

this: "The ending is an unforgivable flaw--I can't do what jo has done and enjoy everything else, it really ruins everything for me."

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! NOT UNFORGIVABLE!!!

ishiguro is not an emotive writer. i remember this book calling for alienation, not identification. yet, one can, and does, a little, if one is not jennifer (akaEM), feel the terrible, cosmic alienation, and, just like esteban beautifully says, "want to curl up and die with them."

i would also like to add that the counter-sci-fi, retro-experimental tone is furtherly alienating and bizarre. nothing fits. but this intense alienation is also the book's greatest beauty, so that, just like jennifer (akaEM) says, you expect drizzle and misery instead the sun shines ALL THE FUCKING TIME. see, jennifer (akaEM)? you felt something after all!

kazuo ishiguro is a first-rate mind-fucker who wrote a really amazing futuristic story about nostalgia. how can these characters miss what neither they nor we ever had? they can. because, i submit, it's imprinted in our emotional dna.


message 23: by [deleted user] (new)

Phones are bad hoodoo.
They make me talk crazy talk.
I will read this book.


Esteban del Mal kazuo ishiguro is a first-rate mind-fucker who wrote a really amazing futuristic story about nostalgia. how can these characters miss what neither they nor we ever had? they can. because, i submit, it's imprinted in our emotional dna.

Yippee! Well put.


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) jo wrote: "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! NOT UNFORGIVABLE!!!
"


hahaha! Well, maybe I forgive him just a little because I will read another of his...

If I want alienation in an otherworldly atmosphere without being beat over the head with a moral or put to some kind of test, I'll go and re-read The Sheltering Sky.


Esteban del Mal Did all you fellow Ishiguro travelers know of the upcoming movie? It looks more than serviceable.




Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) I saw you posted the video trailer yesterday (I didn't even know you could do that here!) I'll definitely see it; it looks good. It's too bad, though, that those of us who've read the book will be spoiled -- I wonder how they will handle what should be a "surprise" ending in the film.

Also, I must say -- seeing the characters as children made a difference in my emotional response to them. The book is told as a flashback, so I wasn't oriented to the fact that they were -- gulp -- children.


Esteban del Mal No backsies!


message 29: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo i will never see this movie. i want my mind-images of the book to remain intact.


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "No backsies!"

"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
� William Blake

That said, I'll hold on to my contrarian views (until they no longer serve my purposes, that is).

I do love film adaptations of books, but jo, I think you are right: in this case, I can't see them being able to stay faithful to the characters, the imagery, and their emotional intent. Unlike The Remains of the Day, which I thought was remarkably true to the book, they are going to have to tell a different story.


message 31: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo to me it's just that whatever images they choose, they won't be *my* images (*i* couldn't choose my images!), and since they are so strong in my mind, i'd rather keep them that way, ya know?


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) jo wrote: "to me it's just that whatever images they choose, they won't be *my* images (*i* couldn't choose my images!), and since they are so strong in my mind, i'd rather keep them that way, ya know?"

Sure do. Even just seeing the trailer, the boat is wrong, just completely wrong!!


Esteban del Mal If I am to be cowed into silence, I am glad it is William Blake to do it; or rather, EM as Blake proxy.

I'm too intrigued, I'll have to see the movie. Aside from getting a little misty when Tommy is shown screaming by the roadside, I reason that on that rare occasion when Hollywood at least tries to make a decent picture, I should show some support. But I certainly appreciate your stance, jo.


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Well, I hope you won't be cowed into silence by anyone, least of all me!

I should've gone with Groucho Marx: "These are my opinions. If you don't like them...I have others."

Please remind me what situation precipitated Tommy screaming on the side of the road--that wasn't after the visit to the boat, was it? (my copy has gone back to the library, and my memory has already faded).


Esteban del Mal I think it's after the visit to the school mistress's house, when their fate is pretty much sealed. All the talk about love allowing them a few more years is so much rubbish; they're meat.


message 36: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo Esteban wrote: "All the talk about love allowing them a few more years is so much rubbish; they're meat."

brilliant, esteban.


message 37: by Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) (last edited Jul 24, 2010 05:38PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) Esteban wrote: "I think it's after the visit to the school mistress's house, when their fate is pretty much sealed. All the talk about love allowing them a few more years is so much rubbish; they're meat."

Ahh, thank you ... I remember now. There was talk about how Tommy "always knew." It was clever how Ishiguro slowly peeled the blinders off his characters (and off his readers, too), showing them able to accept only small amounts of the truth about themselves at a time.

They were meat who were allowed to have hope ... is that kind, or not? I don't know...


message 38: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo Jennifer (aka EccentricMuse) wrote: "Ahh, thank you ... I remember now. There was talk about how Tommy "always knew." It was clever how Ishiguro slowly peeled the blinders off his characters (and off his readers, too), showing them able to accept only small amounts of the truth about themselves at a time.

They were meat who were allowed to have hope ... is that kind, or not? I don't know...
"


you guys say the smartest things, ask the smartest questions.


Esteban del Mal They were meat who were allowed to have hope ... is that kind, or not? I don't know...

Well, I guess we're all meat that is allowed, or allows itself (themselves), to hope. I don't know if it's kind or not.

Man, this thread is starting to bring me down. Here's to a cheerful Sunday:




message 40: by jo (new) - rated it 5 stars

jo this is my favorite youtube ever!


Jennifer (formerly Eccentric Muse) makes me want a(nother) kitty!!


Jessica I just got a kitty and I am in love!


Jessica (too bad my older cat is so nonplussed by her...)


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