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Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
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So, you are about to tuck into a lentil burger with chia seed extract for that omega three boast you know your body has been crying out for since your last detox, especially since you aren’t completely sure if the cannabis oil you’ve been baking into your gluten free cookies has given you indigestion or if it is the start of the stomach cancer you thought you might have had and was the reason why you started eating the damn things in the first place. The guy on the Internet who sold you the oil sounded damn convincing, but, then again, so did the guy who told you that you needed mega doses of vitamin Q � an extract from goat urine and krill that, if taken in large enough doses, might even make your hair curly.

If this sounds like Tuesday, rather than a WTF moment, then this is a book you really, really need to read, and right now. Actually, no matter what your religion, you need to read this book. This guy is both very funny and very clever � these are, truth be told, two of my favourite things in the whole wide world. As much as I hate to admit it, I would probably forgive just about anyone anything if they can just display these two qualities � even only every now and again.

But this book is also insanely important for you to read as well. In it you will learn stuff. Let me explain how I came to read it.

A couple of weeks ago there was a newspaper article � no, a flood of newspaper articles all over my social media feeds � all about research that proved that you get cancer by bad luck rather than any of that other crap you thought you got cancer from � you know, ‘life style�, smoking, stuff like that. This might sound like bad news, but since there is stuff-all you can do about bad luck � even if you are a management arsehole who ‘makes his own luck� � that then has a reassuring ring to it if you think about it for long enough. Pass the smokes and yes, I will have a double, no, stuff it, just leave the bottle. Except the next day or so another article appeared in the Guardian that said this first series of articles were all crap � AND that the reason why they were all crap was because journalists are too bloody stupid to know if a bus is up them, well, unless the passengers get out, and if you want to avoid being fooled again, read this book. So I did. And they were right. This is a necessary read � you’ve been repeatedly told that now � and I’m going to tell you again � what are you waiting for?

What will you be told by reading this book? Well, one of the main things is that there are two things that have been repeatedly shown to lead to a healthy and productive life � eat food, mostly vegetables with lots of fruit thrown in for the colours if nothing else, and exercise. There is no magic pill, there is no secret wonder food, there is only that to know � eat stuff that is good for you and exercise enough so that your body doesn’t atrophy and you’ll probably be ok. No guarantees, by the way, life doesn’t come with guarantees, but do that and you are doing your bit, do less than that are you are building up Karma that’s going to get you, sooner or later. When people tell you that you need to do more than this eating food and moving your arse occassionally, they are selling you something, and the most likely thing they are selling you is bullshit. As he says, someone who tells the truth or someone who lies are similar in that at least both of them know there is a truth that is worth lying about � however, someone who bullshits doesn’t even give the truth that level of respect.

It is embarrassing to admit the amounts of bullshit I assumed must have a bit of scientific backing behind them before reading this book. The most obvious one being the whole fish oil idea, hmm. But I’m guilty with an excuse. I am someone who really doesn’t like the taste of fish. There are times when I will eat fish � those times are directly correlated to when I’m in a Japanese restaurant � but I’m really not going to thank you for giving me fish. Particularly something strong and oily like sardines. I can understand why some people might want to put sardines into other people’s mouths � just as I can understand waterboarding � but to willingly do this to themselves is a form of flagellation I’ve never quite understood � torturing others, fine, but yourself? Not even Dick Cheney water boards himself. I know, there are international conventions on this sort of thing, but they are all so 1945, don’t you think? So, if you want to put sardines in your mouth � and I feel a bit queasy even suggesting such a thing - well, that’s up to you, but I still have to come down on the side of Nuremberg when it comes to doing this to other people.

This reluctance of mine to eat fish in general, but oily fish in particular, has made me prone to the idea that I probably should have fish oil supplements to make me smarter or to prevent arthritis, or one of the other wondrous things these oils do. And, if ‘odourless� wasn’t a cruel hoax, I would be using these tablets today. Fortunately, the problem is that there doesn’t seem to have ever been any conclusive evidence that taking these tablets does any of the things attributed to them, or at least they don’t make you smarter.

This is where you are supposed to say, ‘Yep, and that is because of the drug companies � there’s no money in patenting something natural and so they refuse to pay for the research�. Except, the people who do make these tablets make bucket loads of money � so why don’t they pay for the research? Simple answer, they are not interested in ‘proof�, they are only interested in your general feelings of unease mixed with a medical sounding science-y enough sort of vague idea with the right ‘vibe� that encourages you to buy the damn things in the first place � they don’t expect them to ‘work�, other than psychologically to let you think you have done your bit to improve your health without that ‘bit� involving you actually eating better food or shifting your arse now and again. How sad we have become when we actually seem to believe that all cures come in pills.

This bit of the book, the bit on fish oils and how the company that produced them gave out millions of the damn things in a study (well, not really a study) to see if they would make high school students smarter, is perhaps the most disturbing part of what had been up to this point a quite disturbing enough kind of book to be getting on with.

Want to know why kids might not do so well at school? Well, then start looking at the actual diets they have, look at their social class and the stresses and strains that puts on their lives and their ability to study (you know, like not enough food in their stomach, no where quiet to do homework, constant humiliation because they can’t afford pens, paper, uniform, excursions, sports fees) before you give them some crap pill as a cure-all. As is pointed out here, the pills given to these students would have cost more than the school lunches they got.

The other things this book will help you understand are, in no particular order � the Hawthorn Effect, the Placebo Effect, why you shouldn’t listen to someone who gives you statistics that are based on percentages, rather than in actual numbers in the population, why your kid needs their MMR jabs � just frigging do it - and how to know if something about medicine is probably bollocks � HINT: if a journalist is telling you and it sounds exaggerated, it probably is and you should probably ignore what they are saying. In fact, one of the best cures to most social ills would probably involve banning journalists from, well, just about everything. Unfortunately, it seems that journalists main qualification in life is that they can write rather convincingly about things they know next to nothing about � how we have not descended into utter oblivion already is one of the mysteries of modern living and one that is still open to speculation. That rational people constantly predict the end is nigh isn’t surprising, that we haven’t all drowned in a sea of pomegranate juice is what is surprising.

Like I said at the start � you need this book. Not least so that when you decide you are going to start eating berries with names you can’t even pronounce it won’t just be because Oprah has them on her superfoods list, but because they taste nicer than raspberries � which is basically the only reason one should eat just about anything.
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July 18, 2012 – Shelved
January 11, 2015 – Shelved as: education
January 11, 2015 – Shelved as: humour
January 11, 2015 – Shelved as: science
January 11, 2015 – Shelved as: medicine
January 11, 2015 – Shelved as: food
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January 12, 2015 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Caroline (last edited Jan 12, 2015 03:27AM) (new) - added it

Caroline Great review Trevor. This is on my t-r lists.

There's nowt so strange as folk...

If mankind is prepared to pay £1.49 (2.77 Australian dollars) for a small bottle of water, (the price of the brand 'Fiji') then any madness is possible.


Trevor I used to work as an industrial officer in a trade union which involved going to see members in pretty odd places. For a while I represented people who worked in the water industry - everything from the guys who dug up the streets to put in water pipes to chemists who made sure the water piped out to people was up to standard. They hated bottled water - not just because the price is extortion, but also because it wasn't at a quality that they would be allowed to get away with to deliver to people virtually for free. They would test bottled water and it would be rubbish. How is it possible to be asked to pay thousands of times more for something which is of much lesser quality? As you say, folk...


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Laura Leaney This review is so funny! Thank you! If this sounds like Tuesday, rather than a WTF moment, then this is a book you really, really need to read, and right now. i swear this doesn't describe me, but every time I go to the market I'm tempted by the latest food developments. As my fingers slipped around a bottle of spirulina last week, I had to remind myself that I could save myself ten bucks by simply eating less.


message 4: by Caroline (new) - added it

Caroline Yes, those water workers have all my sympathy. I share their sentiments...


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· His Guardian column has been my go-to website for some years now. Love the man.

Love your review too!




message 6: by Lynda (new)

Lynda LOL. Just love your reviews. That's put a smile on this girl's face this morning. Thanks, Trevor!


Trevor A pleasure, everyone - I'm going to become a fan too, Karen - he is very amusing.

And Laura - I have many of the same experiences...


message 8: by WarpDrive (new)

WarpDrive Fantastic review, Trevor. Bullshit is THE distinguishing feature of modern times. Without bullshit the modern economy would not turn its wheels.


Steve Very funny review, Trevor. I got a lot from the book too. I thought some of the references may seem irrelevant to those living outside the UK. I've recently picked up Goldacre's "Bad Pharma"; his expose on the pharmaceuticals industry. By any chance, have you read it?


message 10: by Cecily (new)

Cecily I love Goldacre on the placebo effect in particular. It's something most of us know about to some extent, but the degree to which it works - even when the doctor tells a patient it's a placebo (and explains what that means) - is extraordinary.

I was going to mention his website and his Guardian articles, but Karen beat me to it.

He is also an occasional contributor to a BBC radio science show that uses humour and science in a similar way to this book. Brian Cox is the main guy. It's called The Infinite Monkey Cage, and has its own website and Twitter feeds. (I don't know if you'd be able to listen to the podcasts down under.)








Trevor Steve: no, this is the first of his I've read, and there is another one too that seems to be just out called something like 'I think there's more to it than that' which I would like to read too. Let me know what you think of Bad Pharma - I really enjoyed this one.

Cecily: I tell people that too about the placebo effect. And then I also heard about the 'enhanced placebo' where if the tablet you are taking makes your stomach feel a little sore it seems to work better than one that doesn't seem to do anything. I can't remember where I read about it - but when they were first making toothpaste they added something to the paste to make your gums tingle. It doesn't do anything else - I mean, it doesn't actually help clean your teeth - but they could then say 'feel how clean your teeth are'. Not exactly the placebo effect, admittedly, but curious all the same.


message 12: by Joann (last edited Mar 09, 2015 02:17PM) (new)

Joann Gardner Wonderful. Great review. You might want to consider comedy writing.....


message 13: by Jim (new) - added it

Jim Thank you for your clever review, which nicely complements the book itself (which, thanks to another GoodReader, I have in hand.)

I was a callow 23 when I first recall realizing that a journalist knew virtutally nothing about the electrical project on which he reported. This alerted me to read newspaper and magazine stories strictly for factual statments, giving much less weight to normative statments (since legitimate ones usualy require knowledge), and even less weight to opinions - oft implied and revealing of the writer's worldview.

Mining a story for facts is a useful exercise - it sharpens the reader's critical faculties - and saves time and confusion once you get the knack for it.

Interpreting facts is another thing altogether - one which the book addresses in some detail. I believe that having a 'hard' science orientation helps me to distinguish S#!T from shinola. The "hard" part has little to do with difficulty or complexity. It seems to be difficult to extract valid. broad conclusions about the effect of foods, drugs, environmental factors, etc. to the human animal or subsets of humanity. And, I believe that broad conclusions may not be valid for the specific individual. It's all sort of a mess.

you opined:

if a journalist is telling you and it sounds exaggerated, it probably is and you should probably ignore what they are saying. In fact, one of the best cures to most social ills would probably involve banning journalists from, well, just about everything.

As for the first half of this, see above. About banning journalists, I suppose I'm not so cynical about the teeming masses and policy-making that I've thrown out the dictum that a free press is essential to a well-functioning democracy. In another life, if I were a journalist, I'd be in favor of forming an elite guild, independent of the universities that produce uneducated journalists with poor critical faculties, one with rigorous standards. For starters they could admit most who write for The Economist.


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Mir Trevor wrote: "I used to work as an industrial officer in a trade union which involved going to see members in pretty odd places. For a while I represented people who worked in the water industry - everything fr..."

I assume the that tap water in your area in drinkable, then? I've lived in a number of places where it was either unsafe to drink or tasted so vile no one wanted to. Where I currently live it is supposed to be adequately clean but smells and tastes like garlic sweat. The cheap brand of bottled water is actually the local tap water, filtered.


message 15: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Miriam wrote: "I assume the that tap water in your area in drinkable, then?..."

But be careful lest your taps are contaminated with DHMO, as I'm sure Goldacre would want you to be warned. It's used as an industrial solvent, a fire retardant, is a waste product of nuclear reactors, inhalation can cause death... dreadful stuff, but fearfully common:

;)


message 16: by Jim (last edited Mar 09, 2015 05:55PM) (new) - added it

Jim The linked website had some interestingly imprecise language as well as a conspiracy-theory style (IWO the BS-detectors started to clang).

I found this wikipedia entry:



First paragraph:

The dihydrogen monoxide hoax involves calling water by the unfamiliar chemical name "dihydrogen monoxide" (DHMO), and listing some of water's effects in an alarming manner, such as the fact that it accelerates corrosion and can cause severe burns. The hoax often calls for dihydrogen monoxide to be regulated, labeled as hazardous, or banned. It illustrates how the lack of scientific literacy and an exaggerated analysis can lead to misplaced fears.

The article recounts some "history":

A 1983 April Fool's edition of the Durand Express, a weekly newspaper in Durand, Michigan, reported that "dihydrogen oxide" had been found in the city's water pipes, and warned that it was fatal if inhaled, and could produce blistering vapors.[2] The first appearance of the hoax on the internet was attributed by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette to the so-called "Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide,"[3][4] a parody organization started by UC Santa Cruz student Craig Jackson following the on-campus postings and initial newsgroup discussions.

This new version of the hoax was created by Eric Lechner, Lars Norpchen, and Matthew Kaufman—housemates while attending the University of California, Santa Cruz in 1989,[5] revised by Jackson in 1994,[3] and brought to widespread public attention in 1997 when Nathan Zohner, a 14-year-old student, gathered petitions to ban "DHMO" as the basis of his science project, titled "How Gullible Are We?".


Snopes has also commented:



I'll leave it to the interested to follow up with the wikipedia citations.

(or was that what the "winky" was for??)


Trevor Miriam - Yes, Melbourne has lovely water - if I lived in Adelaide I would probably buy bottled water too

Cecily and Jim - that water stuff is remarkably dangerous, no wonder people prefer beer and wine.

And Jim - I get upset about Journalists, but I still read what they write, more is the pity. I suspect I learn next to nothing from the newspapers I read and occasionally threaten to never read them again, but I always do. Hopeless really.

Thanks Joann too.


message 18: by Magdelanye (new)

Magdelanye not sure why I am only just seeing this now but it probably has nothing to do with the GR notification system and more to the fact that only yesterday I was studying the various fish and flax oils and thinking that I need to do a bit more research before I invest. so your review today is timely if not so helpful (you don't love fish! you haven't learned to enjoy sardines!) but persuasive enough so that I will have to track this book down immediately. ;-)


message 19: by Cecily (last edited Mar 10, 2015 03:46PM) (new)

Cecily Jim wrote: "(or was that what the "winky" was for??)"

Yes!

Trevor wrote: "that water stuff is remarkably dangerous, no wonder people prefer beer and wine."

Supposedly everyone (including children) drank weak beer and wine in the middle ages because it was safer than water.


Trevor Yes, I read a book once that said that the reason for the enlightenment was the introduction of tea and coffee to Europe - where you could drink water and not die AND not be drunk virtually all of the time. I can see pros and cons


message 21: by Mir (new) - added it

Mir That also became important during the Industrial Revolution since "drunk and operating high-speed machinery" is a tad riskier than "drunk and operating an ox."


Bruce This sounds great, and very much in keeping with the short pharma-expose that John Oliver just aired.

Speaking of Bad Science, I can't recommend Gary Taubes' eponymous book highly enough. It's a fairly thorough recounting of the cold fusion fiasco at the University of Utah, including the media's part in escalating the madness. It's a bit on the long side, but really impeccable as case and character studies go... you come to understand so well the various financial and professional pressures weighing on the scientists involved, you almost come to feel sympathy for the shortcuts they end up taking. It's much less outrage provoking in that (unlike what you describe here), the only ones the scientists hurt were themselves.


Trevor No idea when I might get to it, but I did like his book about getting fat.


message 24: by Bethk (new) - added it

Bethk Wonderful review. I love your witty style, especially when you talk about woo, and how woo is often sold with what appears to be science, although actually misleading pseudoscience.


Moses Ng I wish I could read this book, it sounds interesting. Like, there are so many 'health' products on the market today, and so many of them are fake! A surprise for all of us.


Trevor I'm keen to read his I Think You'll Find it's a Bit More Complicated Than That - if only for the title.


Trevor Thanks Ariel - I need to read his other one, and have it, but what I lack is the time...


message 28: by Brit (new) - added it

Brit Cheung hilarious,humorous and informative:)


Trevor Thanks Brit


message 30: by Joanne (new)

Joanne Great review now I just have to read this book.


Denise McLeod Utterly brilliant review. Well done :-). I agree. Seriously great book and very funny too.


Rochdi 🪽 you rock! thanks for the honest funny review


Katarina What a phenomenal review!


Bookguide Thanks for all the fish! Sardines, pilchards, salmon, mackerel, herring; delicious! I have no wish to know if they're not good for me, but if you don't like them, a great excuse for sushi. Loved the book and loved your review. I had to pass on my original copy and have just bought a copy from the library sale for keeps. I shall be trying to get my family to read it. Essential for everyone's education.


Murad Alshawareb Interesting....


message 36: by Vanessa (new) - added it

Vanessa I like your style there.... 😂😂 think I’m gonna give this book a try!
And yes, regarding the overall topic, I’m still amazed how many “magic things� are out there that are supposed to help you with basically anything; losing weight, gaining muscle, detoxing, health and balance. But instead realising that maybe the solution for all that would be to get off the internet researching for the next best pill, because the other 73 didn’t work apparently, and start working out and eating healthy....


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message 39: by ☆~ܳٳܳ (new)

☆~ܳٳܳ Do give Tired or Toxic? a try, however, as it isn't a bunch of endless BS. It is by Dr. Sherry Rogers. I fell for the krill too - made me sick!


Trevor Sorry, I haven't thanked people, I've just been notified of Autumn's comment. The Rogers book doesn't seem to have any details attached to it???


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☆~ܳٳܳ Sorry! Tired or Toxic? A Blueprint for Health... reading it again as very tired. 218 is too many to try to thank! I haven't trusted main stream medicine for over 20 years but homeopathy me more than anything else. Main stream medicine thinks we are all the same when we are not. They think we are a bunch of little robots.


message 42: by Ignacio (new)

Ignacio Camacho You sir convinced me to immediately read this as soon as I get it, excellent review!


Trevor I liked his other one too, Ignacio - but definitely start with this one. It is a pure delight.


Amanda Jones I've had this for years and though I was quite valuing it and maybe even rated it, I need to pull it out and check that I've finished it. Maybe even re-read it ....


Trevor Oh god - I read this 8 years ago. It could probably do with a re-read too, Amanda. Some bastard has put the clock on fast-forward.


message 46: by Lilly (new) - added it

Lilly J Alright, sold. I’ll read the book, but if the writing isn’t similar to the style of your review I will most likely be disappointed!


Trevor I don’t think you will be Lilly


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Christine Bookheimer I was sold at the description- but the review was just incredible!


Trevor Thanks Christine


Nancy Lauer A loved this review. I read the book and I’ve been singing it’s praises from the rooftops ever since. I just finished reading Breath by James Nestor, with Goldacre’s cynicism clinging to my thoughts of the book, throughout. In fact, his cynicism on this subject finds its way into my thoughts just about every day.


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