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Ariel by Sylvia Plath
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it was amazing
bookshelves: strongly-recommended, why-not-call-it-poetry
Read 10 times. Last read January 1, 1977.

When I was a kid, I loved stories about intrepid explorers who visited places no one had ever seen before, and died heroically in the attempt. I guess Scott of the Antarctic is the canonical example - though later on, I discovered to my surprise that Norwegians just think he was an idiot who didn't prepare carefully, and that Amundsen was the real hero. There is a wonderful episode in Jan Kjærstad's Erobreren which contrasts the English and Norwegian views of these two great men.

So what's this got to do with Ariel? I was trying to figure out why I like it so much (it's been one of my absolute favorite pieces of poetry since I first came across it as a teenager), and it struck me that maybe I admired it for similar reasons. Sylvia Plath went on an expedition to a sort of emotional Antarctica, a place most people have heard of but never visited, where you experience love so intensely that it ends up killing you. Before that happened, however, she managed to send back detailed reports of what she'd found there. Perhaps another reason why I associate her and the brave Captain Scott is that she died during the English winter of 1963. I was five at the time, and some of my first memories are of the bitter cold, and of how incredibly deep the snow was. I remember that we were snowed in, and that my father shovelled a path to the house next door, so that we could at least visit them. The snow was much higher than his head. A few hundred miles away, Sylvia had left her husband, and was living in London with her two children. She killed herself on February 11.

Here are some of the passages from Ariel that I think of most often. I have always assumed that the title poem is about having sex with Ted Hughes, though I found out recently that it's also about her horse. It ends like this:
...White
Godiva, I unpeel -
Dead hands, dead stringencies.

And now I
Foam to wheat, a glitter of seas.
The child's cry

Melts in the wall.
And I
Am the arrow,

The dew that flies
Suicidal, at one with the drive
Into the red

Eye, the cauldron of morning.
The beginning of Elm is another of my favourite passages, which expresses better than anything else I can think of just how painful love can be. I remember once showing it to a friend who's had a rather difficult life (we'd been having some discussion about poetry). She seemed almost physically affected; I remember she turned pale, and couldn't finish reading it. I wished I'd had more sense:
I know the bottom, she says. I know it with my great tap root:
It is what you fear.
I do not fear it: I have been there.

Is it the sea you hear in me,
Its dissatisfactions?
Or the voice of nothing, that was your madness?

Love is a shadow.
How you lie and cry after it
Listen: these are its hooves: it has gone off, like a horse.

All night I shall gallop thus, impetuously,
Till your head is a stone, your pillow a little turf,
Echoing, echoing...
And I love the end of Nick and the Candlestick, which she apparently wrote to her son, two years old at the time:
O embryo

Remembering, even in sleep,
Your crossed position.
The blood blooms clean

In you, ruby.
The pain
You wake to is not yours.

Love, love,
I have hung our cave with roses,
With soft rugs--

The last of Victoriana.
Let the stars
Plummet to their dark address,

Let the mercuric
Atoms that cripple drip
Into the terrible well,

You are the one
Solid the spaces lean on, envious.
You are the baby in the barn.
I was so shocked when I read earlier this year that he had also killed himself. But when someone's written a poem like this about you, you're as immortal as the unnamed subject of Shakespeare's Sonnet XVIII.

By the way, most people have been very dismissive of the movie with Gwynneth Paltrow and Daniel Craig. I seem to be one of the rare exceptions; the script was nothing special, but I thought Paltrow had done a fine job of capturing her personality on screen.




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message 1: by Eric_W (new)

Eric_W Very nice, Manny. Nice tie in to the Antarctic. I'm certainly with the Norwegians on Scott, and always wondered if Scott wasn't perpetrating his own form of suicide, too.


message 2: by Stephen (new)

Stephen I have nothing to add except I love Sylvia Plath. Ted Hughes was dick.


message 3: by D. (last edited Sep 17, 2009 08:05AM) (new)

D. Pow You can't dismiss Ted Hughes with 'he's a dick'. He was a great poet in his own right and helped midwife Plath to greater creativity. he was a shit of a man in many ways but also was one of the most important poets of the 20th Century, maybe our best nature poet and someone who had a profound grasp of the history and continued power of Western Lit: see his work on Shakespeare and transalation of the Orestes trilogy.

saying he was a dick, is glib and unproductive. plath was carrying huge baggage and wrestling huge demons before she met hughes. I think his treatment of her certainly didn't help. but when i think of her suicide i think it is the logical extension of the muse she courted and won with Ariel. the poems are dripping with death.


message 4: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Okay, I threw the baby out with the bathwater. For that I apologize. Hughes the poet and scholar, fabulous. Hughes the man, a dick.


message 5: by D. (new)

D. Pow fair enough.


message 6: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Is everyone happy now?


message 7: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Good, for instance, I personally love the music of Richard Wagner, but as a human I wouldn't blow my nose in his general direction. With Wagner I would not hesitate to say he is a dick. You are right though, the baby must not be thrown out with the bathwater, and thank you for reminding me D. that too often we do just that.

Cheers.


notgettingenough But that isn't actually what happened, is it? Sylvia Plath was a severely unbalanced person who had 'tried' to kill herself and been institutionalised as a consequence in her youth. I'm not sure how you get from that to the idea that she explored love so deeply that it killed her.

I don't know a lot about her. Was it always the case when she 'tried' to kill herself that it was linked to something going wrong in her love life?


Manny Notgettingenough wrote: "But that isn't actually what happened, is it? Sylvia Plath was a severely unbalanced person who had 'tried' to kill herself and been institutionalised as a consequence in her youth. I'm not sure how you get from that to the idea that she explored love so deeply that it killed her.

I don't know a lot about her. Was it always the case when she 'tried' to kill herself that it was linked to something going wrong in her love life?"


Well, just as with Captain Scott, there are definitely two sides to this story. I was giving the English version. You sound like you might be Norwegian?



notgettingenough Manny wrote: "Well, just as with Captain Scott, there are definitely two sides to this story"

Why are there two sides? She's one person. Isn't there just her side?




message 11: by Manny (last edited Sep 18, 2009 12:26AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Manny Notgettingenough wrote: Why are there two sides? She's one person. Isn't there just her side?"

There was only one Captain Scott too, you know. I admit that he wasn't married to Amundsen. Maybe things would have turned out differently if he had been.



message 12: by Alan (new)

Alan God, Manny this review brought back that 1963 winter - I was 8. I remember we had days off school and I tried to build an igloo. Also Captain Scott - one of his party went to our school (Tewkesbury Grammar) and a sledge was hung on the wall, supposedly from one of the expeditions.
As for Plath I haven't read a lot, but may now, and will probably look up the film as your last recommendation 'Fear & Trembling' (on some thread I can't remember) was excellent.
Like Notgettingenough I've just started another recommendation of your's 'The seducer'.


Manny I'm glad you liked Fear and Trembling!

Will be interested to hear what you make of The Seducer. If you haven't already done this, don't look at Sybil's review until you're at least halfway through, but then I almost guarantee that you will laugh.


message 14: by Alan (new)

Alan Who's Sybil?


Manny Alan wrote: "Who's Sybil?"

Her review is at http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/... - but as I said, don't look until you're further along in the book! Trust me :)


Moira Sylvia Plath went on an expedition to a sort of emotional Antarctica, a place most people have heard of but never visited, where you experience love so intensely that it ends up killing you. Before that happened, however, she managed to send back detailed reports of what she'd found there. Perhaps another reason why I associate her and the brave Captain Scott is that she died during the English winter of 1963. I was five at the time, and some of my first memories are of the bitter cold, and of how incredibly deep the snow was. I remember that we were snowed in, and that my father shovelled a path to the house next door, so that we could at least visit them. The snow was much higher than his head

Wow, that's beautiful. I read this book when I was about 12 at boarding school (it was assigned in English) and never really quite recovered. It's been one of my top favourites ever since.


(I still don't like the movie, tho! Heh.)


Moira Manny wrote: "There was only one Captain Scott too, you know. I admit that he wasn't married to Amundsen."

//chokes on tea




Manny Thank you Moira!



message 19: by Eric_W (new)

Eric_W D. wrote: "You can't dismiss Ted Hughes with 'he's a dick'. He was a great poet in his own right and helped midwife Plath to greater creativity. he was a shit of a man in many ways but also was one of the mos..."

OK, now you're forcing me to grab my copy of Her Husband Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath - A Marriage. Have you read it? I have to agree with you regard "dick," not terribly descriptive, Stephen, unless, of course, you are German


message 20: by D. (new)

D. Pow Yes, Eric, I've read that and probably more than a 1/2 dozen books on the subject. Hughes is one of my favorite writers, maybe my favorite poet ever.


Moira Eric_W wrote: "D. wrote: "You can't dismiss Ted Hughes with 'he's a dick'. He was a great poet in his own right and helped midwife Plath to greater creativity. he was a shit of a man in many ways but also was one..."

That's a great book -- it's a real shame Middlebrook died so young. I bet she would've attempted a fulll-scale biography of Plath, like the one she wrote of Sexton, if she'd had the time.


message 22: by Stephen (last edited Sep 18, 2009 06:58AM) (new)

Stephen Eric_W wrote: I have to agree with you regard "dick," not terribly descriptive, Stephen, unless, of course, you are German

What does German have to do with it? Or are you referring to my statement about Richard Wagner.



message 23: by Eric_W (last edited Sep 18, 2009 02:38PM) (new)

Eric_W Stephen wrote: "Eric_W wrote: I have to agree with you regard "dick," not terribly descriptive, Stephen, unless, of course, you are German

What does German have to do with it? Or are you referring to my statemen..."


Sorry, it was a joke. "Dick" in German means "thick." I started reading Her Husband Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath - A Marriage this morning, and clearly Hughes was a complicated man and a talented poet (not that I personally can judge - I'll go with the critics.) Your comments are usually much more to the point, so I was surprised at this characterization.


message 24: by Stephen (new)

Stephen I love Plath. I've also made nice with David, because I did throw the baby out with the bath water. I was too from the heart, and not enough of using my head.


notgettingenough There are a lot of things going on in this discussion that I don't understand. I admit that the people on this site are more intelligent than me. I. me. Maybe one of you could tell me how to end that sentence.

In the first instance, there is a lot of stuff going on about calling a man a dick, which I don't get. What's wrong with calling a man a dick? It's his best bit, isn't it? Surely everybody would agree on that. It runs all the rest. It's the part girls prefer. (They might say they love you for your brain, but.) I say stick to your guns, Stephen. Of course Ted Hughes was a dick. It goes without saying.






message 26: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Thanks Notgettingenough. :-)


Manny Notgettingenough wrote: "I admit that the people on this site are more intelligent than me. I. me. Maybe one of you could tell me how to end that sentence"

Not, may I recommend to you Hankamer's classic 1973 paper, Why there are two than’s in English, where the author plausibly argues against the traditional view that a sentence like "People on this site are more intelligent than I" is a reduced form of "People on this site are more intelligent than I am", implying that "I" is right and "me" wrong. In fact, Hankamer produces substantial evidence to demonstrate not only the shortcomings of the "reduced clause" account, but also that many people on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ are pretentious smartasses. Though I'm not completely sure about the last bit. Maybe I should reread his paper.

About dicks. I'm trying to remember where I read this interesting discussion about the paradoxical fact that most men would regard it as an insult to be called a "dick", but a compliment to be referred to as "ballsy". It might have been in Robin Baker's Sperm Wars.


Abeer Abdullah This is such an extremely wonderful review I am honestly overwhelmed


Manny Thank you Abbyjay! It is one of my all-time favorite books...


Maria Loved this review Manny!!!


Manny Thank you Maria!

Last year, we were lucky enough to be able to attend a show here where Charlotte Rampling read the poems aloud, with a cellist doing short Benjamin Britten pieces in between. They toured most of Europe... not sure if they made it over the Atlantic, but try and check them out if they do!


Maria So wonderful!!! Will look for it! Thanks.


message 33: by Judy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Judy What movie?


message 35: by Judy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Judy Manny wrote: ""

Thank you!!


Manny It got lousy reviews, but I really liked it.


message 37: by Judy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Judy Manny wrote: "It got lousy reviews, but I really liked it."

I just put it in my Netflix queue. I will try to remember to let you know how I liked it after I watch it. I have embarked on a Sylvia Plath quest.


Manny Thank you Judy, looking forward to hearing about that!


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