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The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
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First of all, some people get annoyed with Jonathan Haidt. I didn't have that reaction to The Righteous Mind. I guess I got rid of it with The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom. It just seemed like he was selling something or trying to convert me to his point of view. He can rub people that way. If you have tried to read Haidt and have had that reaction, I suggest reading Thinking, Fast and Slow first. Daniel Kahneman has the ability to teach similar topics, in the field of cognitive science, that is, without raising the reader's defenses. Since I had already read Kahneman when I read Haidt for the first time, I could see similarities and keep my defenses low.

It's worth doing so because this is a good book. In fact, in much the same way that there is evolution even though some people don't believe in it, this book points to some likely facts about the way the world is (i.e., the world of people and opinions and social systems) that will be the case even if you or others "disagree."

This new book by Haidt is offering support for the view that human beings' rationality is not the ultimate pinnacle of development. He is not a rationalist. He is an evolutionary psychologist, and, as such, he thinks rationality is a relatively late development. Moreover, rationality isn't the single most reliable way we can decide what's right and wrong, at least not without a lot of hard work. In fact given its head (er--no pun intended) rationality will simply come up with justification for what the individual already wants, or wants to believe. That is an important point in a book on moral psychology.

Most of the time people who think and who claim to be searching for truth are only searching for justification for what they already believe. People will only search for truth under three circumstances: (1) If, before deciding on their opinions they learn they will be accountable to an audience. (2) They don't know the audience's view(s). (3) They believe the audience is well-informed and interested in accuracy. Isn't that amazing!

The upshot of Haidt's not being a rationalist is that he concludes morality originates from human nature--evolved from it, in fact. In his view, then, one cannot reason oneself into morality. Haidt gives some attention to philosophy, showing that Hume's views, for example, are those that current findings support, as opposed to Kant's rationalist views.

Haidt thinks liberals (using that term the way Americans do) limit their views of morality only to issues of compassion and fairness, while the views of cultural conservatives, on the other hand, also include such values as respect for authority, group loyalty, and sanctity versus degradation. It's not that liberals don't have those other values, they just don't articulate them, and don't usually give them official value. He shows by bringing anthropology into the discussion that those other values are real. Therefore he thinks conservatives are better able to understand liberals than vice versa.

A sizable reason for this book is the hope that liberals will stop looking at conservative values--and at conservatives--as deranged and sick. He has had the experience of broadening his world view and hopes others can, too. He'd like us to be able to look at ourselves. I'm afraid, though, that conservatives look at liberals as sick, too, judging from my opportunities to interact with them via social media.

His book is researched-based. He doesn't just give us his views; he supports them with findings.

I particularly liked learning about the speed with which evolution can occur. In breeding fox cubs, it took only nine generations for physical signs of domestication to appear--including changes in fur color! He also gave a picture of how combination genetic/cultural evolution happens with humans. We do something to change our environment, for example, raising dairy herds in cold sections of Europe, followed by the adaptive breeding of lactose tolerance in the community. He doesn't believe human evolution came to a screeching halt 50,000 years ago but that it is still happening.

He explains how we interact within groups, how we evolve as individuals within groups, and gives the theory for between-group evolution. In essence when becoming civilized we domesticate ourselves, and he has some interesting things to say about that.

As I sit here writing this review and also thinking about these school shootings and other gun massacres we have been troubled with, it occurs to me that it is a failure in that process of civilization. The result is "lone wolves."
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message 1: by Ian (new) - added it

Ian "Marvin" Graye Rationality is only as good as the bed it lies in.

I suspect that you and I might have similar views about the views of cultural conservatives or "conservative values" such as respect for authority, group loyalty, and sanctity versus degradation.

Each of these "values" is actually an issue, and the values with respect to each issue could lie somewhere, anywhere on a continuum.

The disputes just depend on where you find yourselves in the continuum.

This doesn't mean that everything has to be relative or relativistic. Just that there is no single value that is universal and should bind everybody.

Even core "values" like liberty, equality and fraternity interact with each other and qualify each other, either absolutely or in different circumstances.


message 2: by Paul (last edited Jan 31, 2013 03:58PM) (new)

Paul Bryant There is a curious contrast between the way political opinion has developed in Britain and the USA over the last 30 years. It's completely opposite. Although when you look at the years of 1968 to 1970 in the USA you would see vast gulfs between the political groupings and you see similar chasms to day, still it seems that the detestation for each other has grown much steeper in the US. The generational politics of the hippies have gone. Now it's the geographical politics of the red states vs the blue states and the states of mind that go with them.

In the UK you have to get your Sherlockian magnifying glass out to find any difference at all between the main political parties. This one wants to cut the government welfare budget by 13 billion a year, the other one denounces that idea and says it will lead to disaster, instead they should cut the government welfare budget by 11 billion. Wow.

In American terms of liberal/conservative, we now have a Conservative prime minister wanting to introduce gay marriage. I wouldn't have predicted that 30 years ago.


message 3: by Ian (new) - added it

Ian "Marvin" Graye As much as I respect people like Michael Harrington and Irving Howe, socialism never really took root in the US, and even social democracy is embraced only as a necessary evil.

In the UK, there is a long history of different types of socialism and social democracy that gives one or other type some sort of credibility at any point in time.

However, having become legitimate and being housed in a representative democracy, all sorts of compromises are reached, so much so that we can no longer tell the difference between Right and Left.

Politicians just use the language of responsible management of the economy now, and the whole question of what we want the economy to do or achieve has been discarded.

There is no ideological war any more. So I am reduced to reading French philosophy to satisfy my appetite for big issues.

Oh and I think I forgot to say how crap English newspapers have become in the last few years.


message 4: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant I wouldn't know, I get my news from Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ.


message 5: by Ian (last edited Jan 31, 2013 04:15PM) (new) - added it

Ian "Marvin" Graye Paul wrote: "I wouldn't know, I get my news from Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ."

And I get mine from you. I hope someone here knows what's going down. Or at our age, doesn't it matter any more? We've seen all the news tropes. They just configure them differently each day.


message 6: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant Austerity, I breathed that word as if a wedding vow
Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now


message 7: by Ian (new) - added it

Ian "Marvin" Graye The more the times change, the more they stay the same.


message 8: by Jan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jan Rice Very informative discussion. I guess I get (some of) my news from Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ, too.

You make it sound so tame in the UK, Paul. Are there class distinctions any more? How are immigrant groups treated? Is that an issue? Do THEY think it's an issue?

Here, there is a lot of hostile posturing. I like that YouTube clip called John Cleese vs. Extremism, on the perils of being somewhat moderate. Have you seen it?


message 9: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant The class system is alive and well in the UK and I have anatomised it here:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

We know our places and we stick to them.


message 10: by Rob (new) - added it

Rob The divisions in American between warring ideological camps is itself evidence of a more conservative mindset. Us versus them is very much a group loyalty outlook.

In Canada, politics tend to be less acrimonious and less ideological. And not coincidentally, less conservative.

It seems the less ideological and partisan the political environment, the more rational and liberal it is (not to suggest that liberal thought is wholly rational). For example, municipal politics in my city does not involve political parties. The issues are rarely ideological, and matters are resolved largely through compromise. However, voter turnout in municipal elections is very low, and the elected bodies tend to me much more liberal than the population at large, and than the dominant provincial party. This suggests to me that politics about mundane, practical issues is much less appealing to conservatives than to liberals. It lacks the emotional heft that they look for in political engagement.

Not all liberals are utilitarian. But a utilitarian outlook does map closer to liberalism than conservatism.


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