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The Odyssey by Homer
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“� I would walk sail 500 [nautical] miles
and I would walk sail 500 more,
just to be the man who walked sailed a thousand [nautical] miles
to fall down slay the suitors at your door.�

- Odysseus the Proclaimer


I’ve been under the weather the last week or so, feeling about as upbeat as Uranus� following his castration at the hands of his own Son Cronus; or as joyous as Pasiphae recovering her senses and grasping the full extent of her dalliance with the snow-white bull. Alas, I’m better now and am pleased to finally get a chance to “review� this beauty! In keeping with my self-enforced regulation on bringing an unparalleled level of sophistication and succinctness to my analyses of these illustrious cornerstones of Western Mythology, I’ll be covering the themes that stood out most prominently to me and strictly in the most intellectual and earnest fashion.


"Welcome the coming, speed the parting guest!"
The Guest-Host Code of Conduct is a constant throughout Homer’s poem and, when compared to the state of modern hospitality, it becomes clear that we’ve lost our way; By the river Styx, woe be us, we have lost our way! Not once do I recall a host ever offering to have me bathed, rubbed down with oil and dressed in a fine robe when I've deigned to visit their abode. What has come of us?! Has Zeus, being the God this most concerns, lost his zeal for the divine enforcement of the etiquette of hospitality? For the love of the Gods, lather me! And forget not to bestow upon me a parting gift!
In general, a host is most likely to be at fault in the interaction between guest and host if they don’t properly cater to any wayward soul that stumbles upon their palace but the opposite can also be seen in the 108 suitors who, in attempting to court the absent Odysseus� wife, Penelope, in a brutish, non-ritualistic manner, take advantage of their host’s hospitality, consuming their reserves of food and wine and ravishing their female servants.
If the domestic settings of Homer's epics are at all reflective of Ancient Greek society in the time they were written, there is an interesting parallel regarding ritual propriety and even, to a lesser degree, filial piety with Chinese culture in the time of Confucius, several hundred years later.


”The fame of her great virtue will never die.
The immortal gods will lift a song for all mankind,
A glorious song in praise of self-possessed Penelope� - Agamemnon

Loyalty and faithfulness, in all their forms are a big one and nobody embodies these more than Odysseus� wife, Penelope, the soul of loyalty! (Besides maybe Argos, the loyal dog) Despite Odysseus advising her to wed the man she likes as soon as she sees hair on, their son, Telemachus� face, she holds out for 20 years despite 108 oily degenerates attempting to court her when it is presumed Odysseus dies at Troy. What a woman! Gents, find yourself a Penelope! Ladies, if the men in this book are anything to go by, I’m afraid you’ll probably have to settle for a Pepé Le Pew.
It’s probably worth noting that Hesiod, Homer's contemporary, states, in his Theogony of the Gods, that Odysseus sired 4 children on his 10-year journey home; 2 with Calypso and 2 with Circe. So, while Penelope was faithfully waiting for him at home, he was gettin� down with 2 Nymph Goddesses (that we know of)! Ok, I’m being a little flippant here; at least one of these was totally against his will *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*. One notices a distinct lack of detail when Odysseus recounts his adventures to his wife.


”When a man cries, it’s the last thing he wants to do� He will do anything but cry. He will stop himself crying no matter how tragic it is. And he would do everything, and only when he’s completely defeated emotionally will he start to cry properly.� - Michael Caine
Michael Caine obviously never read ‘The Odyssey� ‘cos while resilience/perseverance are another major theme of ‘The Odyssey�, there is also A LOT of grown ass men crying! There’s nothing wrong with that and, in context, I should mention that Caine made that comment in an acting masterclass BUT these are battle-hardened soldiers who are returning home from a 10-year war and have absolutely no qualms raping and pillaging as they go. I hardly think they are the super-sentimental types. I’m not talking a tear trickling down the cheek either; we’re talking platoons of soldiers in a communal sob session, wailing, shrieking, going full Timberlake-cry-me-a-river at the slightest provocation! However, once the tears have abated, our characters always push on, particularly Odysseus and “what good can come of grief?� appears a recurring rhetorical query and the message appears to be, dust yourself off and carry on!


Odysseus is not a great guy really, but his determination and ability to will himself on in the face of great odds is endearing, regardless of his shortcomings. He is the hero of the story and held in high esteem for possessing many of the typical Homeric heroes attributes: Strength, bravery, godly physique, and also diplomacy, tactfulness, cunning and deceitfulness (also seen as a positive attribute). I couldn’t help having a bit of a chuckle when Odysseus and a small number of his crew are stuck in, the Cyclops, Polyphemus� cave and trying to deduce a means of escape. Homer is really trying to drive home Odysseus� cunning� ”My wits kept weaving, weaving cunning schemes� till this plan struck my mind as best� and then:

”Hey, hey, guys, GUYS! Hide yourselves beneath the sheep! Two sheep to a man; except me, I’ll take this large one. He’ll never see us! Oh, Gods be praised, I’m so cunning; a real clever sausage!�

Odysseus at his finest! A man endowed with the God’s own wisdom; foxy, ingenious!.... Anyone who thinks Homer didn’t have a sense of humour is kidding themselves.


Following a positive experience with Robert Fagles� translation of ‘The Iliad�, I opted for the deluxe edition of his Odyssey translation for the ‘Penguin Classics� line and, once again, I thought it was very readable. It’s a non-rhyming verse translation with varying line length. I think it succeeds in sounding traditional while also being absolutely accessible to the modern reader. Fagles mentions something along the lines of Homer’s works being quite fast paced and energetic and, without any knowledge of the original, it seems to me that he's succeeded in maintaining this high level of rapidity and excitement. There was only one example of, what I thought was, a poor translation when, at one point, Fagles uses the phrase ”cramping my style�. I’m being knit-picky but it doesn’t fit with the overall tone of the rest of the text and feels too modern. Bernard Knox’s introduction and notes are also, once again, fascinating and illuminating regarding the origins and the nature of the poem, particularly a discussion on the more prominent (read:existent) role of women in the Odyssey when compared with the sausage-fest that is the Iliad.


More than anything, for me, ‘The Odyssey� is just a rollicking good adventure! If you’re perhaps someone who tried the Iliad and didn’t enjoy it (what is wrong with you?!) but really love Mythology retellings, you may very well still love this one which has an entirely different thematic focus and overall tone; less relentless war, more of combination of treachorous journey and domestic affair! I really can’t recommend it highly enough.
It's as glorious as the young dawn with her rose-red fingers!
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Reading Progress

February 1, 2020 – Shelved as: to-read (Other Paperback Edition)
February 1, 2020 – Shelved (Other Paperback Edition)
October 29, 2021 – Shelved as: mythology-folk (Other Paperback Edition)
June 19, 2022 – Started Reading
June 19, 2022 – Shelved
July 19, 2022 –
page 29
5.36% ""... I sacked the city,
killed the men, but as for the wives and plunder,
that rich haul we dragged away from the place�
we shared it round..."


Thucydides points out that, in Ancient times "this occupation (piracy) was held to be honourable rather than disgraceful".

"What a time to be alive!!"... Said no woman, ever."
July 21, 2022 –
page 59
10.91% "There's an episode in the Iliad in which Hera seduces Zeus armed with the charms and magic of Aphrodite. Zeus goes on to brutally list the many, many... many mortal women he has slept with but for whom he never lusted for as he does Hera. The speech "has [since] been aptly named the 'Leporello catalogue', after the famous aria in Mozart's Don Giovanni.""
July 22, 2022 –
page 77
14.23% "After a 70-odd page intro, I feel like I already know the work so well that it feels odd to be saying, "and so the story begins":

"Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns
driven time and again off course, once he had plundered
the hallowed Heights of Troy"
"
July 23, 2022 –
page 124
22.92% ""... the great leveler, Death: not even the gods can defend a man, not even one they love, that day when fate takes hold and lays him out at last.""
July 25, 2022 –
page 130
24.03% ""Nothing could have parted us,
bound by love for each other, mutual delight...
till death's dark cloud came shrouding round us both.
But God himself, jealous of all this, no doubt,
robbed that unlucky man, him and him alone,
of the day of his return"


I don't recall ever before seeing mention of a singular God in Homer's works. Menelaus is presumedly referring to Zeus(?)..."
July 26, 2022 –
page 168
31.05% "Hmm, strange; in my edition, nympho is repeatedly spelled incorrectly as nymph when referring to Calypso...

Also Odysseus be like:
"I am always weeping, eyes never dry (wink)... Oh, the tears I have wept stuck on this island forced to repeatedly make love to this beautiful nymph goddess, unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing (wink, wink)""
July 29, 2022 –
page 211
39.0% ""[Alcinous raised Odysseus up from the hearth] and sat him down in a burnished chair, displacing his own son, the courtly Lord Laodamas who sat beside him, the son he loved the most."

😂 Sorry Halius and Clytoneus, looks like you guys are facing the elimination round. The loser will be labelled 'Least Favourite Son'!"
July 30, 2022 –
page 230
42.51% ""The King [Aeolus] had sired twelve children within his halls,
six daughters and six sons in the lusty prime of youth,
so he gave his daughters as wives to his six sons."


🤔...😳...🤢"
July 31, 2022 –
page 286
52.87% ""But now I cleared my mind of Circe's orders�
cramping my style, urging me not to arm at all."

An oddly modern, and out-of-character, choice of translation by Fagles here.

Also, gods damn you, Eurylochus, you mutinous scoundreeeel!"
August 2, 2022 –
page 301
55.64% ""Stand beside me, Athena, fire me with daring, fierce
as the day we ripped Troy's glittering crown of towers down.
Stand by me—furious now as then, my bright-eyed one�
and I would fight three hundred men, great goddess,
with you to brace me, comrade-in-arms in battle!"
"
August 4, 2022 –
page 338
62.48% ""...Over the years, you know,
a man finds solace even in old sorrows, true, a man
who's weathered many blows and wandered many miles."
"
August 5, 2022 –
page 440
81.33% ""You dogs! You never imagined I'd return from Troy�
so cocksure that you bled my house to death,
ravished my serving-women—wooed my wife
behind my back while I was still alive!
No fear of the gods who rule the skies up there,
no fear that men's revenge might arrive someday�
now all your necks are in the noose—your doom is sealed!"


✊️✊️ Odysseus! Odysseus! ✊️✊️"
August 6, 2022 – Finished Reading
August 13, 2022 – Shelved as: favorites

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H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Is this your first venture? A re-read? A new translation?


Jonathan O'Neill HBalikov wrote: "Is this your first venture? A re-read? A new translation?"

My very first odyssey, believe it or not, H! Though, I know the story itself pretty well from different sources. I read Fagles' 'Iliad' and, though I had nothing to compare it to, thought it was very good so more than happy to go with his translation of 'The Odyssey'. The introductions by Bernard Knox are excellent in these editions too. This one comes in at a weighty 77 pages and has a little bit of crossover with his Iliad intro but very interesting stuff nonetheless. :)


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Jonathan wrote: "HBalikov wrote: "Is this your first venture? A re-read? A new translation?"

My very first odyssey, believe it or not, H! Though, I know the story itself pretty well from different sources. I read ..."


It's a great story. Enjoy!


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Rachel Kelly It's like the original Hunger Games


Jonathan O'Neill Rachel wrote: "It's like the original Hunger Games"

How so, Rach? I haven't seen or read it 😬
To be fair though, Homer is basically the original everything in Western literature! 😆


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Violeta You couldn’t have said it better in the above comment, Jonathan! 😉


Jonathan O'Neill Violeta wrote: "You couldn’t have said it better in the above comment, Jonathan! 😉"

:) I might not be giving Hesiod his due but I think Homer is generally considered older and much more influential. I reckon, if I conducted a survey, only 1 in 10 people I know would even know the name Hesiod! 😅


Linda I agree with Violeta, you couldn't have said it better. Looking forward to your review.


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks, Linda! I've been unwell and not in the spirit to write this review just yet but I'll probably get a chance this weekend. I think I'll have a bit of fun with this one. No one needs another deep analysis of the Odyssey; least of all from me! 😆


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Violeta Take your time and ‘play� with Odyssey, Jonathan! That’s perhaps the only way for amateurs like us to approach the classics. 🤓


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Glad that this gave you so much pleasure!


Jonathan O'Neill Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)

H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods by Hesiod. Really gives an understanding of why the immortals are such a dysfunctional bunch! 😅


Melissa ♥ Dog/Wolf Lover ♥ Martin I might try this some day 😳


Jonathan O'Neill Melissa - Highly recommend it, Melissa! If you do, Fagles' translation is very accessible, I enjoyed it very much! So many of the stories that we know from modern retellings were first mentiined in this poem, albeit usually only a couple of short lines making reference to an event. :)


Melissa ♥ Dog/Wolf Lover ♥ Martin I might tiptoe into the book at some point 😊


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Violeta Jonathan wrote: "Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)
H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods by Hesiod. Really gives an underst..."


One of the wittiest and most entertaining reviews I've read - and at the same time paying proper homage to this classic. You nailed it, Jonathan!


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Jonathan wrote: "Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)

H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods by Hesiod. Really gives an underst..."


If you are after a great combination of entertainment and mythology you might want to give Stephen Fry's Mythos a go.


Jonathan O'Neill Violeta wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)
H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods by Hesiod. Really ..."


Violeta, if you were any kinder I'd suspect some trickery was afoot! 😁 Thank you so much! I'm so pleased to be fully acquainted with the great works of Homer. It's funny, I presumed that everything we see and hear in modern retellings could be traced directly back to the two great works but it seems to me there is a huge amount of content missing. A lot of the stuff regarding the Gods, I now see came from Hesiod and I can only assume that the elaborations of the great Greek playwrights to come are responsible for a lot of the most famous stories we know and love today :)


Jonathan O'Neill HBalikov wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)

H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods by Hesiod. Really..."


Thanks for the rec, H. Yes, Fry's works are much lauded here on GR and I look forward to reading those one day for an entertaining perspective of the Mythos. But first, I'll be working my way, slowly but surely, through the playwrights (Aeschylus, Sophocles etc.). I have a sneaking suspicion I'll get along fabulously with the works of Aritophanes, the Great, great Grandaddy of Western comedy! :)


Linda Superb review, Jonathan. I enjoyed reading it. Have you read Margaret Atwood's Penelopiad?


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Jonathan wrote: "HBalikov wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Violeta - Couldn't agree more :)

H - Thanks very much, amigo! Really enjoyed this one. Currently being entertained by the Jerry Springer-ish Theogony of the Gods ..."


Looking forward to the mileposts on your journey!


Marta Great review! I have chosen the acclaimed Emily Wilson translation, where she uses modern language. She says there is no reason to use archaic English when it is just as far from the original as modern language. She was right: the language made it sound completely fresh and relatable, as so much of this epic is about actual daily life and actual people. I loved it!


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Mark  Porton Jonathan, this is a brilliant review mate - outstanding!!! You've made this epic seem so interesting (and fun), I've dabbled in mythology but I've steered away from this due to being totally intimidated by the idea. You've made this version sound very readable though - I'll have to keep it in mind. Your opening para was great, also good the way you weaved Michael Cain into this - hahaha. Oh BTW Not once do I recall a host ever offering to have me bathed, rubbed down with oil and dressed in a fine robe when I've deigned to visit their abode. ........I'm not sure what you're playing at down south, but this type of welcome if standard fare in FNQ!!


Jonathan O'Neill Linda wrote: "Superb review, Jonathan. I enjoyed reading it. Have you read Margaret Atwood's Penelopiad?"

I haven't, Linda, but I just read your review for it and I require it a part of my collection immediately! 😄
I can't think of a character more worthy of her own POV. She is the most endearing character in the Odyssey for me. The most compelling and mysterious to me is Circe, for whom I've found another offshoot book that you might be interested in, Transformations of Circe: The History of an Enchantress.
I can't decide whether to add these types of retellings/character analyses as I go or wait until I've read all the classics first.🤔


Jonathan O'Neill Marta wrote: "Great review! I have chosen the acclaimed Emily Wilson translation, where she uses modern language. She says there is no reason to use archaic English when it is just as far from the original as mo..."

Thanks so much, Marta!
I'm by no means a traditionalist, I feel there's room for all types of translations of the classics. Best make the story as accessible and enjoyable to as many people as possible. My comment regarding the modern phrase that Fagles uses is more notable in the sense that it doesn't fit with the rest of his translation. If the whole thing were written with a modern voice, I wouldn't have bat an eyelash.
Wilson is right, particularly as readers of English translations, I don't think we can expect to come close to the original experience, though I did feel that Fagles' attempt to give this an old-timey, traditional voice payed off with a resulting sense of grandeur and historical weight. I think the most important thing with Homer is to maintain the fleet-footed sense of energy and urgency which I've heard many say was the trademark of his style.
I will, no doubt, be re-reading this at some stage and Wilson's sounds unique enough to make it worth it. :)


Jonathan O'Neill Mark wrote: "Jonathan, this is a brilliant review mate - outstanding!!! You've made this epic seem so interesting (and fun), I've dabbled in mythology but I've steered away from this due to being totally intimi..."

Thanks so much, Mark! :)
I make a point not to be intimidated by any book! If it's in English, I can read it!... Notice I said read, not necessarily understand 😆
In any case, there's nothing to Homer, he's actually very straightforward and a lot of fun; someone like yourself has absolutely no reason to be intimidated! :)

I'm not sure what you're playing at down south, but this type of welcome if standard fare in FNQ!!

I knew it!! The grass IS always greener!! Get the lathering equipment ready Markus, I'm coming to stay! 🤣


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Mark  Porton Jonathan wrote: "Mark wrote: "Jonathan, this is a brilliant review mate - outstanding!!! You've made this epic seem so interesting (and fun), I've dabbled in mythology but I've steered away from this due to being t..."

Hahahahaha love it mate!!!! Alright - added (this version)....😂


Linda Jonathan wrote: "Linda wrote: "Superb review, Jonathan. I enjoyed reading it. Have you read Margaret Atwood's Penelopiad?"I haven't, Linda, but I just read your review for it and I require it a part of my collect..."

Circe interests me too. Thanks for the reference. I just added it to my TBR.


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Ken Clever. And succinct. Best of all, with a disturbing illustration to keep the readers' attentions, which can wander like sheep.


Jonathan O'Neill Ken wrote: "Clever. And succinct. Best of all, with a disturbing illustration to keep the readers' attentions, which can wander like sheep."

Thanks very much, Ken. I'm not sure about succinct though 😅
I very much liked yours too. Regarding Athena, I think I said something similar, commenting to a GR friend in an update, about sacrificing a bull in her name only she might have to settle for a pre-butchered porterhouse or eye fillet... Grass-fed of course, wouldn't want to insult her!


Marta Jonathan wrote: "The most compelling and mysterious to me is Circe"

Have you read Circe? It is fiction. One of the best books I have read in the last five years.

I also second The Penelopiad. Margaret Atwood is a pure genius in my opinion.


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Lucy Brilliant and fun review Jonathon!!


Jonathan O'Neill I haven't, Marta, it's on my shelves at home though. I was planning on saving the retellings/embellishments until after I'd worked my way through the classics. But that seems such a long time! 😅 I'm still undecided but I'll keep your strong recommendation in mind :)


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks very much, Lucy. :)


Jennifer Welsh I had fun with this, too, Jonathan - a rollicking good adventure, indeed. I still can’t fully grasp, however, why Homer was “really trying to drive home� his cunning (so well described, as it captures part of my issue) when he returns home (I had no issue with his cunning during the adventures). I get the whole weaving truth with fiction as a show of intelligence - but why was that so important, do you think? Anyway, I love how you go through all the themes here, and you cracked me up with that grown-ass men crying comment! Terrific review


Jonathan O'Neill Jennifer wrote: "I had fun with this, too, Jonathan - a rollicking good adventure, indeed. I still can’t fully grasp, however, why Homer was “really trying to drive home� his cunning (so well described, as it captu..."

Thanks so much, Jen!
That's a great question. I'm not entirely sure why Homer goes so hard on the point but it is a defining characteristic of Odysseus and one that the God's smile upon. I do agree that it makes more sense throughout the journey than in the chaotic finale. Throughout the poem, Homer seems to hold cunning/guile in higher regard than brute force but then I can't reconcile that with him using the trickery (Odysseus disguised as an old man) as merely a means to a violent end in the final scenes. What's the point in being crafty if you're going to fight it out to the death in the end anyway? Why did Odysseus need to be crafty at all, he could've just returned to his land and reclaimed his position through the proper avenues.
I might be way off the mark but I think it all comes down to the guest-host code of conduct which the gods (Zeus in particular) take very seriously. The suitors had shown a complete disregard with respect to such etiquette as they attempted to court Penelope in her own house and while Odysseus may have felt the need for justice/vengeance himself, he was also largely driven by the influence of Athena (very cunning herself). She backed him in and encouraged him with Zeus' blessing which tells me that the Gods felt not only Odysseus had been wronged but Zeus, being the divine enforcer of hospitality etiquette, had also been disrespected.... Aaaand, I've strayed from the point 😅 Sorry. :)


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Isabella Ah yes, the sheep hiding place. I must try that next time I visit a farm.


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Violeta Jonathan wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I had fun with this, too, Jonathan - a rollicking good adventure, indeed. I still can’t fully grasp, however, why Homer was “really trying to drive home� his cunning (so well descr..."

Jonathan, that's a very good reason you offer Jennifer for Odysseus 'domestic' cunning! If I may add one more: Odysseus is the symbol of a new world where cunning, diplomacy and inventiveness are the assets that guarantee success. Cunning Athena, who's his patron-goddess, says as much. But you can go so far on these merits alone; in the end you must be ready to act heroically in the old-fashioned way of answering an insult and defending your honor with the sword. You don't want to piss off Zeus, who goes for more retro ways of addressing your problems! ;-)


Jonathan O'Neill Isa, why am I not surprised that a Kiwi commented about the sheep? 😆 Jks, just mucking around, having a bit of fun!
With a 3,500,000 : 1 sheep to human ratio, you'd have plenty of places to hide! 😁


Jonathan O'Neill That's an excellent addition, Violeta, thank you. I haven't read a lot of Ancient Greek thought/Philosophy at this point but I would presume this "new world" ties in, and indeed is inspired by, the hopes and aspirations of the society of which Homer was a part. You DEFINATELY don't want to piss of Zeus 😂; infact, I'm running a bit late for my bedtime hymn to the Son of Kronos, most high. 😬

Zeus I shall sing,
the best of the Gods
and the greatest.

He sees all,
he rules all,
he accomplishes all things.

🙏


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Lea My favorite hero! Great work, J.


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks, Lea! What is most appealing to you about Odysseus? :)


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Mark  Porton .......BTW Jonathan, I downloaded a sample of this version on my Kindle, I was going to buy it - but, I think this work is all a step too far for me - shame because I feel like I'm missing out. I'll vave to vicariously enjoy these through your review mate!


Jonathan O'Neill That is a shame, Marcus! But it's not for everyone. If you can get a sample of Emily Wilson's translation (whom Marta mentions above), she apparently uses a more contemporary language which might be more to your palette :)
Otherwise, I'm more than happy to be your outlet for the vicarious enjoyment of Greek Mythology! 😆


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Mark  Porton Jonathan wrote: "That is a shame, Marcus! But it's not for everyone. If you can get a sample of Emily Wilson's translation (whom Marta mentions above), she apparently uses a more contemporary language which might b..."

Yes it is a shame Jonathan - but I will take a look at Wilson's translation! If it doesn't work, I am always happy to use you as a vicarious tool (did that come out right?) - thanks so much for trying to stretch this mind of mine mate 😊😀


Persephone's Pomegranate Now I have 500 miles stuck in my head. I almost forgot about that song. Thanks a lot. 😂
Great review.


Jonathan O'Neill 😆 At your service, always.
Thanks PP!
The Odyssey is absolutely sensational! One of my all time faves. I presume you're priming to read it so I hope you have a great time with it! :)


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Fred Jenkins Nice review. By the way if you are looking for Zeus, he is playing bocce with Baucis and Philemon at the Elysian Fields Retirement Home. No more enforcement of xenia for him.


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Alexandra I am very, very glad I saw this! And I am glad you had fun with the Odyssey. Because it IS fun. Wonderful review :)


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks, Fred. Geez, better keep an eye on Zeus or that retirement village will turn into the Playboy mansion! 😁


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