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Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the War between the Windsors
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Jul 23, 2022
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Update What is the US coming to? "Joe Biden's political activist sister Valerie has endorsed Meghan Markle as a woman she would back for the White House. And despite having never stood for election, the former TV actress is topping a poll of Democrats asked which woman they would vote for. She ties with vice president Kamala Harris and is ahead of Hillary Clinton." Markle is a proven liar, lies to Oprah, lied in Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family about collaborating with the authors on this hagiographic book (she had to admit it in court), lied about so many things and now Biden's daughter and a Democrat poll think she should stand for President of the United States? The mind boggles....
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Review Revenge is something Meghan and Harry can't get enough of, it's mother's milk to them. Also publicity. I wonder how Harry likes being in showbiz? Meghan has finally got top-billing, quite a way up from acting in a cable tv show with no hopes of Hollywood. The question now is when will the public have had enough? Netflix is showing commercials of their upcoming show which has been dubbed 'Oprah with more crying', but the stills do not come from events with Meghan but from all sorts of other ones, including the US, and from before they were even a couple. It is believed that Americans won't care about the truth only about Meghan's story, she being an American princess and it makes out that the English are even more racist than they are (which they aren't). Two malcontents making $88M from their story of woe.
Meghan tells lies. She lied on Oprah, she lied in court about not having any involvement at all in the hagiography Omid Scobie wrote Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family. She said she 'forgot' she had collaborated on it, suggested things he might write about and gave him her full participation. Meghan lied about growing up an only child, her half brother and sister were in the house. Meghan lies, but since it is the initial statement that has impact and few people even notice apologies and retractions, it is a good way to operate if it's bringing you fame and fortune.
I didn't see the Oprah interview, I probably won't watch the Netflix documentary, Edit I did! The British press will be outraged, the American press will praise her for her strength in standing up to this nasty racist institution which set out not to have her as a rather beautiful and glamorous working member but to destroy her from the moment she met Harry (she just got an award for that, which is kind of sick as there are a lot of people working against racism who really deserve it rather than Meghan who plays the race card when she doesn't have anything else to defend her behaviour with.
How many more tales can they sell? Neither of them have any talents or skills, they just live off slagging other people off and making sure they are in the press everyday. If they didn't have the titles Duke and Duchess but were Mr and Mrs Harry Windsor, they would disappear into the world of showbiz parties and speaking engagements.
These are awful people. Even if the royal institution is pretty awful itself - financial corruption is major. King Charles takes money from Saudi Arabians for citizenship and titles, for his charity projects - restoring a grand old house he bought in Scotland. He also takes money to have people invited to banquets and seated near him. But this is not the subject of the book. � And What Do You Do?: What The Royal Family Don't Want You To Know is the one to read for that.
It's actually quite a good book, quite fair in many ways. A good read definitely. But probably out of date as soon as the Netflix series airs.
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Update 3 The death of the Queen has exposed more of Meghan's lies. Moaning on Oprah that the royals were so racist that Archie wasn't made a prince because he would be black and therefore not get any police protection. Harry let it go through even though he knew it was lies. The children and grandchildren of the monarch get titles. The heir's first born son's children get titles, these are the great grandchildren of the second heir So now Charles is King his grandchildren get titles, included Meghan's two. She knew all that but thought she could get sympathy and more celebrity for playing the race card.
Police protection has nothing to do with having a title or not. Andrew's daughters both princesses don't have it. Meghan knew that too. Lies lies lies.
Meghan's truth is whatever she says and does not necessarily bear any relationship to facts. Her latest is her half sister challenging her in court as Meghan says she grew up an only child when she actually grew up with her half sister and brother. Meghan says she 'felt' like an only child and feelings can't be challenged.... Well that is the way the West is going isn't it? For now.
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Update 2 If you find something in a book that is not true, it makes you doubt everything doesn't it? Meghan's 'game' in the media, especially interviews is to rely on no one actually knowing the truth (in the US) and so she gets away with it. The author is playing exactly the same game.
Now I don't doubt what he wrote in the book is true as he has the texts and emails from all the disgruntled people Meghan pissed off in one way or another. But the ending he is hoping no one knows and will question. He writes that the recent disastrous tour of the Caribbean by Princess William and wife was the result of Meghan and her the royals-are-racist etc schtick and so all the little islands rebelled against the Queen (and anything colonial). He obviously didn't think anyone political in the Caribbean would read this.
That's me! I'm from a top political family in the Caribbean and the disastrous tour had nothing to do with Meghan at all. It has been brewing for so long. Barbados pulled out after many years planning to become a republic with one of the best and most intellectual politicians Mia Amor Mottley as prime minister. Jamaica has been talking about it so long, that it only needed the spur of Barbados for them to finally speak out. Grenada and St Lucia are just pissed off with colonialism and the Chinese are busy funding projects and teaching them Mandarin.
There is an outlier, the British Virgin Islands, they want to be British, they like the Queen, they think their own politicians (the Premier Andrew Fahie is in prison in Miami awaiting trial on drug and corruption charges) they are happy to be a colonial outpost at least right now.
Nothing at all to do with Meghan. So although there is no way of doubting Meghan's lies (she swore an affidavit prepared by her lawyer that she didn't know anything about Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Familyand then in court had to admit she gave 31 point briefing of what she wanted written in the book and collaborated fully).
Her latest is her half-sister Samantha suing her for saying she grew up an only child, when in fact she didn't and her mother Doria had her step-children living with her. Meghan's get out is that whereas it wasn't factually correct, she was expressing how she felt... what a load of bollocks.
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"Private faces in public places Are wiser and nicer Than public faces in private places," WH Auden. Meghan's private face to anyone who didn't fall in with her, from childhood, through the absolute horridness of her relationship with her father to the Queen herself, is not reflected in her public face of beauty, warmth, concern and helping others lead a better life, she can act! She never got an offer from Hollywood, she never got another meaningful acting job other than Suits (which was a rather small cable tv show watched by only 1 million. Her talent was not recognised by others in the acting industry. One wonders if it is because they are like that? I'm thinking Amanda Heard, Ellen deGeneres, Naomi Campbell...
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I've read about ten chapters so far, learned quite a bit. Meghan's mother was a hippy-dippy make up artist who either failed a makeup artist exam or couldn't get work, with such a disorganised view of family and life that Meghan chose to live with her father who financed everything and spoiled her. He turned her into what she is today when he and her mother decided, on her birth, that whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets.
Later chapters focus on her naked ambition to be famous and rich and a real somebody in this world. She rewrites documented history as and when she thinks it will help her. Says one thing one year, and years later, this is rewritten. The author does attribute positive values to Meghan too, but they come across as damning with faint praise.
Since Meghan warned everyone not to talk to Tom Bower, the 80 people he did talk to were no longer in her circle. He says he rigorously fact-checked everything, and it does look that way, there isn't much if any unsupported opinion that I have read this far. But I have to wonder if her mouthpiece from days of yore to the present, Omid Scobie, who is happy to present Meghan in a shining light and lie for her, Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family wouldn't have taken the exact same story and found a different spin. (The lies. He and Meghan swore in the book and in the publicity that this was an unauthorised story that Meghan had nothing, nothing, nothing to do with. In court, Meghan said in fact yes she had collaborated on it (even suggesting chapters) but had 'forgotten' that.)
So whereas the schadenfreude of taking a celebrity down is quite rewarding and it seems to be absolutely true, there is more than one way of looking at this, and I'm well aware that a friend of Meghan's might not see her life in quite this way.
That said, she deserves it. I didn't watch the Oprah interview but anyone who invites someone (lots of people) they don't know to their wedding in order to procure future fame and fortune must also realise that publicity isn't all one-sided much as she might get her PR team to try and control it.
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Review Revenge is something Meghan and Harry can't get enough of, it's mother's milk to them. Also publicity. I wonder how Harry likes being in showbiz? Meghan has finally got top-billing, quite a way up from acting in a cable tv show with no hopes of Hollywood. The question now is when will the public have had enough? Netflix is showing commercials of their upcoming show which has been dubbed 'Oprah with more crying', but the stills do not come from events with Meghan but from all sorts of other ones, including the US, and from before they were even a couple. It is believed that Americans won't care about the truth only about Meghan's story, she being an American princess and it makes out that the English are even more racist than they are (which they aren't). Two malcontents making $88M from their story of woe.
Meghan tells lies. She lied on Oprah, she lied in court about not having any involvement at all in the hagiography Omid Scobie wrote Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family. She said she 'forgot' she had collaborated on it, suggested things he might write about and gave him her full participation. Meghan lied about growing up an only child, her half brother and sister were in the house. Meghan lies, but since it is the initial statement that has impact and few people even notice apologies and retractions, it is a good way to operate if it's bringing you fame and fortune.
I didn't see the Oprah interview, I probably won't watch the Netflix documentary, Edit I did! The British press will be outraged, the American press will praise her for her strength in standing up to this nasty racist institution which set out not to have her as a rather beautiful and glamorous working member but to destroy her from the moment she met Harry (she just got an award for that, which is kind of sick as there are a lot of people working against racism who really deserve it rather than Meghan who plays the race card when she doesn't have anything else to defend her behaviour with.
How many more tales can they sell? Neither of them have any talents or skills, they just live off slagging other people off and making sure they are in the press everyday. If they didn't have the titles Duke and Duchess but were Mr and Mrs Harry Windsor, they would disappear into the world of showbiz parties and speaking engagements.
These are awful people. Even if the royal institution is pretty awful itself - financial corruption is major. King Charles takes money from Saudi Arabians for citizenship and titles, for his charity projects - restoring a grand old house he bought in Scotland. He also takes money to have people invited to banquets and seated near him. But this is not the subject of the book. � And What Do You Do?: What The Royal Family Don't Want You To Know is the one to read for that.
It's actually quite a good book, quite fair in many ways. A good read definitely. But probably out of date as soon as the Netflix series airs.
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Update 3 The death of the Queen has exposed more of Meghan's lies. Moaning on Oprah that the royals were so racist that Archie wasn't made a prince because he would be black and therefore not get any police protection. Harry let it go through even though he knew it was lies. The children and grandchildren of the monarch get titles. The heir's first born son's children get titles, these are the great grandchildren of the second heir So now Charles is King his grandchildren get titles, included Meghan's two. She knew all that but thought she could get sympathy and more celebrity for playing the race card.
Police protection has nothing to do with having a title or not. Andrew's daughters both princesses don't have it. Meghan knew that too. Lies lies lies.
Meghan's truth is whatever she says and does not necessarily bear any relationship to facts. Her latest is her half sister challenging her in court as Meghan says she grew up an only child when she actually grew up with her half sister and brother. Meghan says she 'felt' like an only child and feelings can't be challenged.... Well that is the way the West is going isn't it? For now.
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Update 2 If you find something in a book that is not true, it makes you doubt everything doesn't it? Meghan's 'game' in the media, especially interviews is to rely on no one actually knowing the truth (in the US) and so she gets away with it. The author is playing exactly the same game.
Now I don't doubt what he wrote in the book is true as he has the texts and emails from all the disgruntled people Meghan pissed off in one way or another. But the ending he is hoping no one knows and will question. He writes that the recent disastrous tour of the Caribbean by Princess William and wife was the result of Meghan and her the royals-are-racist etc schtick and so all the little islands rebelled against the Queen (and anything colonial). He obviously didn't think anyone political in the Caribbean would read this.
That's me! I'm from a top political family in the Caribbean and the disastrous tour had nothing to do with Meghan at all. It has been brewing for so long. Barbados pulled out after many years planning to become a republic with one of the best and most intellectual politicians Mia Amor Mottley as prime minister. Jamaica has been talking about it so long, that it only needed the spur of Barbados for them to finally speak out. Grenada and St Lucia are just pissed off with colonialism and the Chinese are busy funding projects and teaching them Mandarin.
There is an outlier, the British Virgin Islands, they want to be British, they like the Queen, they think their own politicians (the Premier Andrew Fahie is in prison in Miami awaiting trial on drug and corruption charges) they are happy to be a colonial outpost at least right now.
Nothing at all to do with Meghan. So although there is no way of doubting Meghan's lies (she swore an affidavit prepared by her lawyer that she didn't know anything about Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Familyand then in court had to admit she gave 31 point briefing of what she wanted written in the book and collaborated fully).
Her latest is her half-sister Samantha suing her for saying she grew up an only child, when in fact she didn't and her mother Doria had her step-children living with her. Meghan's get out is that whereas it wasn't factually correct, she was expressing how she felt... what a load of bollocks.
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"Private faces in public places Are wiser and nicer Than public faces in private places," WH Auden. Meghan's private face to anyone who didn't fall in with her, from childhood, through the absolute horridness of her relationship with her father to the Queen herself, is not reflected in her public face of beauty, warmth, concern and helping others lead a better life, she can act! She never got an offer from Hollywood, she never got another meaningful acting job other than Suits (which was a rather small cable tv show watched by only 1 million. Her talent was not recognised by others in the acting industry. One wonders if it is because they are like that? I'm thinking Amanda Heard, Ellen deGeneres, Naomi Campbell...
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I've read about ten chapters so far, learned quite a bit. Meghan's mother was a hippy-dippy make up artist who either failed a makeup artist exam or couldn't get work, with such a disorganised view of family and life that Meghan chose to live with her father who financed everything and spoiled her. He turned her into what she is today when he and her mother decided, on her birth, that whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets.
Later chapters focus on her naked ambition to be famous and rich and a real somebody in this world. She rewrites documented history as and when she thinks it will help her. Says one thing one year, and years later, this is rewritten. The author does attribute positive values to Meghan too, but they come across as damning with faint praise.
Since Meghan warned everyone not to talk to Tom Bower, the 80 people he did talk to were no longer in her circle. He says he rigorously fact-checked everything, and it does look that way, there isn't much if any unsupported opinion that I have read this far. But I have to wonder if her mouthpiece from days of yore to the present, Omid Scobie, who is happy to present Meghan in a shining light and lie for her, Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family wouldn't have taken the exact same story and found a different spin. (The lies. He and Meghan swore in the book and in the publicity that this was an unauthorised story that Meghan had nothing, nothing, nothing to do with. In court, Meghan said in fact yes she had collaborated on it (even suggesting chapters) but had 'forgotten' that.)
So whereas the schadenfreude of taking a celebrity down is quite rewarding and it seems to be absolutely true, there is more than one way of looking at this, and I'm well aware that a friend of Meghan's might not see her life in quite this way.
That said, she deserves it. I didn't watch the Oprah interview but anyone who invites someone (lots of people) they don't know to their wedding in order to procure future fame and fortune must also realise that publicity isn't all one-sided much as she might get her PR team to try and control it.
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I've just read Meghan and Harry signed a legal document saying they had no involvement with Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family and maintained their hand-on-heart no involvement until the court case (about the letter) where she had to say that she had 'forgotten' about it. Since she dictated exactly what she wanted said, her lies have made me believe the author of the book more rather than thinking he is interpreting too much negatively.

One that really irked me was when she announced at the birth of their son that she didn’t want him to gave a title. But then in the Oprah interview said he was denied a title because he was mixed race, or Black, or something.
I guess so many people ride on her wave of success now, making heaps of money, they don’t care if they stumble over the truth, to the bank. Oprah might be one of them, who knows.

She out and out lied. Only the children and grandchildren of the Queen have titles. When Charles becomes king, Meghan's children will be Prince and Princess. She knew that but she counted on Americans not knowing it.


Everything is backed up by emails. Revenge, is not just what Harry and Meghan want. It's what quite a few of the 80 people who talked to the author and gave him texts and emails want as well. If she had been anyone else she would have been charged with perjury, signing affidavits full of lies and then saying later, oh I forgot and then dumping people in it, expecting they would cover for her. Who does that in court?

I think the first bit is true, or more specifically that no one who isn't the child or grandchild of a monarch can be a prince or princess (Peter and Zara Philips could be, but aren't). However, I'm not sure about the second. Does anyone get a prince or princess title other than at birth?

Yes, both Katherine and Meghan are princesses. Women who marry princes become princesses.

In colloquial terms Kate is a princess because she married Prince William. She could also argue that her "job" is being a princess. However, when they married, Prince William was made Duke of Cambridge and that became his official title. It's similar with the Prince of Wales, who is commonly, but incorrectly, referred to as Prince Charles.
Kate's correct title is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge (just confirmed in Debrett's). If her husband hadn't been given the royal dukedom, she'd be Princess William of Wales (like Princess Michael of Kent). Because she wasn't born royal, she can't be a princess in her own right and name (whereas her daughter IS a princess in her own right).
Similarly, Meghan couldn't ever have been a princess once her husband became a royal duke, and I can't imagine her wanting to be Princess Harry!
(I wish I didn't know this stuff, and blame my mother!)

You made me giggle, Cecily.😄

Sure? I think 'will be' "A decree issued by King George V in 1917 limits the titles of prince and princess to the children of the monarch, children of the monarch's sons and "the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales" � that's William's son Prince George.
Bob Morris from the Constitution Unit at University College London, said the rule was drawn up to trim the increasingly unwieldy number of princely titles." from the Explainer.
Your fast Debrettic knowledge astounded me, my mouth dropped open literally. WOW!

Ha! My previous question was rhetorical, but I then checked Debrett's to confirm.
Re Charlotte and letters patent:
"The Queen has confirmed that if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's baby is a girl, she will be a princess and be styled Her Royal Highness.
She has issued a Letters Patent, which removes an anomaly that has been in place since 1917.
The previous royal decree by George V stipulated that a son would become a prince, but a daughter would not become a princess...
A Letters Patent is a type of legal instrument in the form of an open letter, granting the title."
From bbc [dot] co [dot] uk/news/uk-20962102 from 9 January 2013.
Re Harry and Meghan, I was wrong. Although Meghan couldn't have been officially a princess, her children could have had such titles, if the Queen decreed it. Debrett's said, before Archie was born:
"The son or daughter of a Duke and Duchess would automatically receive the title of Lord or Lady. However, as Prince Harry is sixth in the line of succession there is no reason that the child wouldn't receive the title of Prince or Princess closer to teh birth, should The Queen decree it. Indeed, in 2012 Her Majesty issued a decree allowing Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis to have their respective titles."
debretts [dot] com/b-is-for-baby/



If we object to authors making money off unauthorised biographies because we don't like the way they treat someone we really like, all you would ever get are hagiographies with material supplied by fans.
How much has Meghan, an unknown Canadian cable tv actress, made of her marriage and being called Duchess? Would Oprah, Netflix, Spotify have been interested if she did have that royal connection? She has nothing else to 'sell'.

At the moment they seem to making lots of noise about it, but why not just do it?

The issue was that the author was putting this down to Meghan and it had nothing to do with her. They are just going ahead, Barbados did, Jamaica has told the UK it is planning and it will take a few years. In the Caribbean colonies certain things are handled by the UK, including defence, foreign relations, etc, and for some of the islands these and other issues such as banking, trade relationships with third parties, need to be sorted out before they can 'just go ahead'.

Just noticed that Barbados became a republic in Nov 2021 - I should have checked that before I commented!

Because of the Commonwealth Games starting, there's an interesting piece on the BBC, "Commonwealth: Seven things you might not know". Point 3 is:
"The Queen is head of state in only 15 of the countries. Most of the Commonwealth states are republics, with Barbados becoming the latest, having removed the Queen as head of state in 2021.
15 countries have the Queen as head of state.
5 countries have their own monarch.
36 are republics."
bbc [dot] co [dot] uk/news/uk-43715079


Best part of reviews are often the discussions, I think.

Because it seems the jolly Harry playing Nazi at parties, strip poker in Vegas was not the 'real' Harry who was a totally miserable git. Never having got over either his mother's death or the role the paparazzi played in it. He was full of resentment against his father, Camilla - whose constant presence in his mother's marriage was not forgiven by him and didn't really have a role.
He was a sitting duck for someone beautiful who made American noises about mental health, healing and all those things the British don't talk about, and then later told him that he could be a star not just 6th inline and that he wouldn't have to live on his meagre fortune (inherited from his mother, great grandmother and the annual $3M from his father) of only $25-40million.

I was thinking the other day of how, practically, you could get rid of them. There would be endless wrangling of who owns what, all kind of stuff. And who would be president, who would be fit for it?

Thank you. I think almost everything in the book had already been published, but the author put it all together and with proof (such as that is).



More lies. Meghan speaks 'her truth' which are 'her feelings' and therefore can't be questioned. She confused the celebrity that the media confer on royalty with the celebrity that is the path to money of Hollywood. All she has to sell is her connection to royalty to get the celebrity and money she desires. So expect 'I didn't go to see the Queen on her deathbed because the royal family are so racist and make me feel unsafe and anyway Catherine wasn't going so why should I?" (Because Kate had three kids with her. Meghan had left hers with nannies back in California).



It is a soap opera, or a reality show. I think Meghan thinks it is a reality show and she will be the last one standing, the winner.


I just had a thought. I wonder if Harry will go back on not wanting his children to have titles now they are Prince and Princess? I can't imagine Meghan passing up an opportunity to her exploit her children as an American Prince and Princess. Think of all the publicity, modelling jobs, endorsements, books she could write etc

But they do! They lap them up and she gets paid a fortune to concoct them and have sympathetic really famous guests who didn't know her and wouldn't even have noticed her before

I just had a thought. I wonder if Harry will go back on not wanting his children to have tit..."
Those were my thoughts exactly.


I felt a bit sorry for him in the past, whether he deserved it or not. After reading � And What Do You Do?: What The Royal Family Don't Want You To Know, not any more.
Right now? I have a mild curiosity of what he will do and how.

I do not have high hopes for anyone whose very first action before signing the document of accession was to wave his hands repeatedly and angrily at the flunkeys to get them to move the pen and whatever that was in his way. You and I would have picked them up and handed them to someone.
theguardian DOT com/uk/2002/nov/16/monarchy.jamiewilson The Guardian doesn't think much of the new King.


I don't think any of us do. I was reading that he was really pleased that Camilla has always stayed in the background and never tried to upstage him as Diana did. Pathetic isn't it?


I liked her because she a) bought a lot of my hand-painted t-shirts on a beach I used to sell on (not a touristy beach, just me, hanging them in the sea grape trees). And b) a year later Richard Branson's gen manager came to me to ask me to paint t-shirts for a wedding and when I asked of how he knew of me, he told me Princess Diana had recommended me. A year later and she still thought to do that. I think that was a very nice thing to do.