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Shakespeare's Sonnets by William Shakespeare
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William Shakespeare pictured with wife, Anne Hathaway, who, awkwardly, is not the subject of his famous sonnets.


I read the Sonnets and ‘A Lover’s Complaint� in ‘The Arden Shakespeare � Complete Works� so, strictly speaking, I’ll be reviewing the portion of that much larger book which contains these works. The difference, I believe, is that this individual edition, under which I’m reviewing, has incredibly detailed textual notes and commentary; the Complete Works has merely an introduction.


There are 154 sonnets in the collection and they are not completely random but, in fact, have a kind of narrative order. Sonnets 1-126 are mainly addressed to “the fair youth�, a man younger and of higher social standing than the poet and Sonnets 127-152 to “The Dark Lady�, an unfaithful mistress whose other lovers, in a saucy twist, include the young man! The last 2 sonnets, 153-154, stand independent of the rest and are based on the traditional theme of Cupid and Diana.

The first 17 sonnets, known as ‘The Procreation Sonnets� are basically Shakespeare playing overbearing mother-in-law, urging the young man to find a fair lady and reproduce while in his prime in order to preserve his illustrious beauty; lamenting time’s tyranny on all things young and mortal. He throws everything but the kitchen sink at this effort; he shames the young man for depriving a woman of reproducing with him, uses musical metaphor to illustrate the harmony of family that he risks missing out on and even, in Sonnet 17, urges the fair youth to reproduce for his own sake; to prove his sonnets true to future readers:

If I could write the beauty of your eyes,
And in fresh numbers number all your graces,
The age to come would say, ‘This poet lies;
Such heavenly touches ne’er touched earthly faces.�
�.
But were some child of yours alive that time,
You should live twice: in it, and in my rhyme.


It's actually remarkable, the sheer number of different ways in which Shakespeare was able to say, essentially, the exact same thing in all of the first 17 sonnets. The fact that many of these sonnets are about the same thing does not hurt the readers enjoyment at all due to the broad range of vocabulary and multitude of variations in metaphor. In fact, Shakespeare owns this in sonnet 76, saying (and I apologise for breaking the structure with the excerpt):

� So all my best is dressing old words new,
Spending again what is already spent:
For as the sun is daily new and old,
So is my love still telling what is told.


Even within the inherent restrictions of the sonnet form and iambic pentameter, Shakespeare manages a great variation of rhythm and cadence, utilising beautifully clipped and elongated phrasing (apologies, I’m not down with the poetry lingo).
Despite all this, I can’t help but think: Just let the poor guy be! Let him enjoy his youth and worry about all the serious stuff later! Whither is thy own business, William? Thee would doth well to findeth ’t and mind ’t!


As the sonnet’s progress there are various interesting developments: a rival poet vying for the admiration of the fair youth, a bitter (temporary?) parting of ways and, of course, as we approach the later sonnets, the appearance of the poet’s mistress who fairs decidedly worse than the fair youth in Shakespeare’s praise with the following being about as flattering as it gets:

I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.


Oh, wait! This one is actually quite lovely:

� Nor are mine ears with thy tongue’s tune delighted,
Nor tender feeling to base touches prone,
Nor taste, nor smell, desire to be invited
To any sensual feast with you alone:


Of course, I have mischievously selected excerpts from these sonnets and, in fact, Shakespeare is just challenging the conventional ways in which beauty is defined but the man must have had cojones the size of watermelons to publish a sonnet saying his mistress had wretched breath. Watermelons or not, I wouldn’t be exposing those bad boys upon your next meeting, nor would I be sleeping over but with one eye open.


I don’t have much to say about ’A Lover’s Complaint� as, honestly, it was largely impenetrable to me. I could deduce the general idea because, as archaic as it may be, the verse is still in English, but as far as any nuance or deeper meaning, it almost certainly flew over my head. This is one occasion where I was probably in need of further accompanying notes.


I will be coming back to these sonnets in future, taking the advice of two of Shakespeare’s friends and fellow actors, John Heminges and Henry Condell when they advised to ”Reade him, therefore; and againe, and againe: And if then you doe not like him, surely you are in some manifest danger, not to understand him.�
Though, if we are prepared to twist Shakespeare’s meaning a little to express a return to his thoughts and not our own, then I think he says it best in sonnet 77:

Look what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, delivered from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee, and much enrich thy book.


Adieu.
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Reading Progress

November 5, 2022 – Started Reading
November 5, 2022 – Shelved
November 5, 2022 –
page 1
0.2% "Reading the Sonnets, A Lover's Complaint, Venus And Adonis, The Rape of Lucrecia, The Passionate Pilgrim and The Phoenix and Turtle in the 'Arden Complete Works' but will use this individual edition of the Sonnets for updates and review of those works."
November 5, 2022 –
page 2
0.41% "Thou art thy mother's glass, and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime:
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles, this thy golden time.
"
November 8, 2022 –
page 32
6.56% "Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give;
That due of many, now is thine alone.
Their images I loved, I view in thee,
And thou, all they, hast all the all of me.


Modern English ⬇️"
November 12, 2022 –
page 195
39.96% "Sonnet 55 begins:

Not marble, nor the gilded monuments
Of princes, shall outlive this powerful rhyme;


This was a man very aware of his own greatness. Though, this:

'Gainst death, and all oblivious enmity,
Shall you pace forth; your praise shall still find room
Even in the eyes of all posterity
That wear this world out to the ending doom


Would prove to prophesy Shakespeare more than the "fair youth"."
November 13, 2022 –
70.0% "'Tis better to be vile than vile esteemed,
When not to be, receives reproach of being,
And the just pleasure lost, which is so deemed
Not by our feeling, but by others' seeing.
"
November 16, 2022 –
84.0% "Be wise as thou art cruel, do not press
My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain,
Lest sorrow lend me words, and words express
The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
Though not to love, yet love to tell me so,
As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
No news but health from their physicians know...
"
November 17, 2022 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Nataliya (new)

Nataliya � Whither is thy own business, William? Thee would doth well to findeth ’t and mind ’t! �

😆😆😆😆

And yes, after announcing to the world that his mistress� breath reeks poor William was probably kicked hard in his unmentionables.


message 2: by Marquise (new)

Marquise Entertaining review, Jonathan! I'm useless with poetry, and I wouldn't be able to see the point of any of the sonnets, much less a thematic thread running through them, like you have.


Jonathan O'Neill Yeah, he seems consistently backhanding in his professions of love to her:

"In faith I do not love thee with mine eyes,
For they in thee a thousand errors note;
But 'tis my heart that loves what they despise,
Who in despite of view is pleased to dote."


"A thousand errors", "despise"... Wow! 🤣 It's like, "I find you physically repulsive but my love for you is so much more than that!" Like, should she be flattered?? Lol


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks, Marquise!
Apart from Epic Greek poetry (English translation no less) this is the first that I have EVER read so I dare say you'd fare just fine! :) I enjoyed trying to decipher them as best I could and afterwards seeing how close I was to the mark by looking up a modern translation. A couple of times, a misinterpreted line threw out the whole meaning of the sonnet but for the most part, they weren't so bad. 'A Lover's Complaint' on the other hand, I had a bit of trouble with and it just didn't seem interesting enough to make the extra effort 😅


preoccupiedbybooks Great review! I actually live quite close to his birthplace, Stratford; it's so beautiful there!


Jonathan O'Neill Thanks so much, Fran! How lucky are you! I've just seen some beautiful photos set against the Avon River. Beautiful, and so well preserved. We have nothing like it in Aus sadly! :)


message 7: by Ilse (new)

Ilse Jonathan, you had me chortling from your comment on the picture on :). I don't think I will ever feel ready to tackle this...


Jonathan O'Neill Thank you, Ilse :)
Depending on how you mean that last sentence, I find the notion that I have just read these and you don't feel you'll ever be ready for them, quite incalculable! 😆 Preposterous actually, given you've played no small part in sparking my interest in poetry! Have you read any of the plays?


message 9: by Ilse (new)

Ilse Jonathan, I am truly happy your interest in poetry has been sparked, kudos to you! As English is only my third language I really feel not up to this, lacking the necessary background that seems to come with the milk native English speakers drink :)). I never read any of the plays apart from an abridged ‘Romeo and Julia� (to help my son for school), I was too intimidated by their stature so far (yes, I am a coward :)) � Long ago, I attended a couple that were performed in Dutch (Macbeth, Romeo and Julia). At school we saw 'The taming of the Shrew' (urgggh!) and later I was intrigued attending a modern opera based on Richard III (by Battistelli) and the Verdi opera's based on the plays (Otello, Macbeth, Falstaff) - S feels as a big shameful gap that looms as a black hole I would disappear into if I would venture into it :-) What about you, you seem to approach him thoroughly in your current reading?


Jonathan O'Neill Yep, I get what you mean! I think I might've thought he was out of reach for me; perhaps that's why I've never bothered in the past. I hope my comment came across as admiration/complimentary of your proficient use of English as a language not your first (or second) rather than a rude assertion that you should be able to read Shakespeare if I can! 😅
Your experience with S actually appears greater than mine; I've had nothing to do with his works other than studying Romeo & Juliet and Macbeth (neither of which I have much of a recollection of) in high school.
I have just been watching some interviews with various authors on YouTube and the praise for Shakespeare was coming in heavy so I thought I'd give him a go... And then I kinda just went all in and decided to get the complete works. We'll see how that pans out over next year. I'm gonna have to check out those Verdi operas too! :)


Persephone's Pomegranate That picture! lol Great review.


Jonathan O'Neill Haha! Thanks, PP! Though, I have no idea what you mean; It's a totally normal photo of two totally normal people! 🤷‍♂�


message 13: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton What a brave thing to not only pick this up, but to read it - I must say your reading tastes take you (and us) in all sorts of directions Jonathan, great review mate - and keep reading and reviewing my friend!


Jonathan O'Neill Mark wrote: "What a brave thing to not only pick this up, but to read it - I must say your reading tastes take you (and us) in all sorts of directions Jonathan, great review mate - and keep reading and reviewin..."

Thanks very much, Markus; very kind of you to say, mate! :)
Shakespeare came out of nowhere for me. I listened to a couple of youtube videos in a row in which the guys talking were super enthusiastic about the works of Shakespeare and several other authors and I just got swept up in the conversation and bought his complete works! 😂 As you can see, I'm completely rational when it comes to these things. Anyway, I'll be working my way through that, in between many other things, next year :)
Have you read any Shakespeare?


message 15: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton Jonathan wrote: "Mark wrote: "What a brave thing to not only pick this up, but to read it - I must say your reading tastes take you (and us) in all sorts of directions Jonathan, great review mate - and keep reading..."

Hey Jonathan, yes mate I've read the Richard II, both parts of Henry V and Henry V - boy it was hard work but good fun. I had to read up various study guides but the great thing was - I could watch BBCs "The Hollow Crown" series after each one - which added beautifully to the total immersion experience (I also dressed up as a Knight - but we wont talk about that). I loved it and found the whole thing brilliant. My reviews are all in my "Shakespeare" folder if you want to check some of them out. No pressure though :))


Jonathan O'Neill Mark wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Mark wrote: "What a brave thing to not only pick this up, but to read it - I must say your reading tastes take you (and us) in all sorts of directions Jonathan, great review mate -..."

Oh, beautiful! And thanks for the tip; I'll check out 'The Hollow Crown' when I come to those ones. I've been listening to some of the 'Great Courses' on audible that give some great insight into all sorts of areas of composition as well as stage production; interesting stuff! I'll definitely head over to your folder for a sneaky geezer, cheers!

"I also dressed up as a Knight - but we won't talk about that"

Oh, you're mistaken my friend, we should definitely talk about this! 😆


message 17: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton Jonathan wrote: "Mark wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Mark wrote: "What a brave thing to not only pick this up, but to read it - I must say your reading tastes take you (and us) in all sorts of directions Jonathan, great ..."

Bahahaha - dude, in the interests of full disclosure I thought it was important for you to understand my total immersion protocol 😉


message 18: by MihaElla (new)

MihaElla Unmistakably S…There is no shortage of wonders to be found in his works :)
Thank you for this glorious write-up, Jonathan! It was fun reading it early in the morning whilst heading for workplace�
I have had some tentative to dive into his Sonnets but once the words started to ‘flow� more and more I began crabbing sideways across the pages, so eventually I gave up reading them :D
It's no easy task for me, definitely!


Jonathan O'Neill So kind of you to say MihaElla, thank you :)
I was actually mistaken in my original interpretation of a few of the sonnets in the collection so I definitely wouldn't consider them particularly easygoing. As I mentioned, the longer poem that follows the sonnets, 'A Lover's Complaint' was probably 30-40% indecipherable to me, on any level other than a basic understanding of events transpiring, even having English as a first language.
Is English not your first language? Given the quality of your reviews that I have read so far, I would be stunned if that's the case! :)


message 20: by MihaElla (new)

MihaElla Jonathan wrote: "So kind of you to say MihaElla, thank you :)
I was actually mistaken in my original interpretation of a few of the sonnets in the collection so I definitely wouldn't consider them particularly easy..."


It is a very pleasing feeling to read your fine appreciation on my ‘dilettante-ish� reviews, Jonathan. Thank you very much! :)
I don’t know about other lived lives (that’s because, now and then, I like the thought of other previous lives) but in this current lifetime I am by birth and constitution a Romanian-speaking native, in full :))
English is far away of being my first language. Fortunately, it seems I have some planets (horoscope wise I mean) orbiting around these multi-cultural lands, and this facilitated my smooth assimilation of other foreign languages. I think we are lucky to have literature available for reading, and in fact so rich to give us valuable aid when learning new languages :)

Well, I would say that you shouldn’t be modest about your work in trying to help us understand these Sonnets. It’s much appreciated, and it is even better when you make the interpretation easy to flow for many of us, like it is the case with your above review :)
I would be glad to understand even the story line when reading the Sonnets, but words with S are a different language by default ;) I know it’s a fascinating and startlingly mature work for those who can really appreciate the words and meanings behind them. So, in a way, you are really fortunate :)


Jonathan O'Neill MihaElla wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "So kind of you to say MihaElla, thank you :)
I was actually mistaken in my original interpretation of a few of the sonnets in the collection so I definitely wouldn't consider them ..."


Very cool, and as I said, impressive what you can do with a language that is not your primary. :)

Similarly, I like to think of other lived lives occasionally, though parallel, rather than previous or ones yet to come. I wonder how many different versions of us there are; how many variations of this same conversation we are having. Perhaps another version of me has a lush head of hair? 😂 On your interest in previous lives, I think there is a type of hypnosis that supposedly recalls memories of past lives. You should give it a go, you might find something interesting ;)

Indeed, we are in unprecedented times when it comes to acquiring texts of whatever language and variety we want, at the click of a button no less!

Thanks again for your kind words, MihaElla! :)
Is your real name Mihaela? What do your friends call you?


message 22: by MihaElla (new)

MihaElla Jonathan wrote: "MihaElla wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "So kind of you to say MihaElla, thank you :)
I was actually mistaken in my original interpretation of a few of the sonnets in the collection so I definitely wouldn..."


Thank you for your entertaining and tasteful reply, Jonathan! :)

So, bottom up: yes, my real name is Mihaela, and the only one I see printed on my ID card, besides the family name. It's good my parents didn't squeeze their brains to add some other names too. For me, Mihaela is enough :))
My friends call me Miha, or Ela (by the way, I chose to adjust it to Ella because I loved the book The forty rules of love by Elif Shafak), La (like the musical note), and my mom especially calls me the Countess :D

Indeed, it is much easier nowadays to learn a foreign language, as the IT tools make our efforts seem lighter. Writing is always easier than talking. I take the highest pleasure in lively interactions as a wonderful combo comes in place: sounds, facial expressions, accents, funny words, etc...
For example, when I write sometimes I feel like Gustave Flaubert, because I have a strong intrinsic need to be as accurate as possible in my words, but when speaking I let the words flow freely without any control, and the effect or impact is much stronger, and it tells a lot more than what written words can do. Moreover, I don't have British or American-English accent. I have my own tailor-made accent 😂

I fully agree with your view as expressed about our lived lives. I think that number is innumerable: different versions of us, variations of same conversations, although I don't believe in 'clones' ;)
Moreover, I don't go exploring into the future. I am satisfied enough with the past if I manage to get a glimpse into it. So far I had been said to have been a Japanese (work-wise I admit I am on the same line) and Indian (external appearance, which again I agree with) but I am still searching for a truth regarding the other aspects' nationalities ;)) Yes, yes, I would really go for an hypnosis session but I haven't yet found the right professional competence 😂


Jonathan O'Neill MihaElla wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "MihaElla wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "So kind of you to say MihaElla, thank you :)
I was actually mistaken in my original interpretation of a few of the sonnets in the collection so I ..."


Well, I think it's a lovely name. The nickname Miha makes me think of the Spanish abbreviation, 'Mija' (Mi Hija), which is pronounced very similarly and means "my daughter", so maybe your Mum should start using that one; though, the Countess is pretty great! 😂

I understand tailor-made accents all too well. My partner is Venezuelan and learned English in Australia! You can only barely call whatever it is we speak English. 😁

Yes, yes, I would really go for an hypnosis session but I haven't yet found the right professional competence...

I wouldn't hold your breath! 😄


message 24: by MihaElla (new)

MihaElla Jonathan wrote: "Well, I think it's a lovely name. The nickname Miha makes me think of the Spanish abbreviation, 'Mija' (Mi Hija), which is pronounced very similarly and means "my daughter", so maybe your Mum should start using that one; though, the Countess is pretty great! 😂

I understand tailor-made accents all too well. My partner is Venezuelan and learned English in Australia! You can only barely call whatever it is we speak English. 😁"


Thank you much, again and again :) The name is fine and after I learnt it's also a saint name (by the way, we celebrate in Romania lots of saints' names) I told my parents they made a good choice, but I am not a saint and surely I won't intend to become one 😂
I think your daughter's name Sophia is a very beautiful one, surely she will be a Wisdom in disguise 😍

Your comment about Spanish connection, reminds me that more than couple of decades ago we used to have a trend on TV channels of "Latino telenovelas" (sort of Danielle Steel or Sandra Brown books 😂), so then we used to be very 'sentimental' about how we used to call each other (I used to be Querida back then 😂).
Now we prefer the Turkish series (sometimes mom calls me Kizim) which are really good (they are not sentimental or sweet), I mean that some of them I even watch myself because of very interesting story line (of course when I don't fall asleep before it starts...)

Being and living within a mix of nationalities always make life very colorful and allows for a great(er) display of intrinsic potentialities. I think you two are lucky to have found each other. And I assume that the common language you're using in communication is a pretty 'new' one too 😂 (I mean like combination between words from two different languages, with funny accents, and joined by a body-language (especially countenance) that make the message even more entertaining...)


message 25: by Jaidee (new)

Jaidee Methinks Shakespeare wanted to be the fair youth['s paramour ...mistress be damned !


message 26: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Your reviews stand out in my feed for the diversity of your reading choices, Jonathan—musician biographies, language-learning manuals, and now Shakespeare's sonnets!
O, wonder!
How many goodly subjects are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
That has such people in't!�



message 27: by Alexandra (new)

Alexandra Oh, what a lovely and entertaining review! It made me smile, it made me laugh, it made me want to reread/read more Shakespeare ;)


Jonathan O'Neill Jaidee wrote: "Methinks Shakespeare wanted to be the fair youth['s paramour ...mistress be damned !"

Youthinks with solid logic, Jaidee! It seems near impossible to argue with the fact coming away from the sonnets. Though many have disputed it, suggesting that it is a strong platonic love or even that Shakespeare was not writing as himself but as a fictional character.
It seems to me that their was very much a "fair youth" upon whose... aesthetic properties... Shakespeare had a keen eye. 😄


message 29: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton Good work Jonno!


Jonathan O'Neill Fionnuala wrote: "Your reviews stand out in my feed for the diversity of your reading choices, Jonathan—musician biographies, language-learning manuals, and now Shakespeare's sonnets!
O, wonder!
How many goodly sub..."


"Subjects" indeed, Fi!
I find, as I wade into an era of my life with so far personally unprecedented responsibilities, that my diverse range of interests is a double-edged sword. Both a blessing and a curse. I sometimes become so overwhelmed by the amount of subjects or activities that merit my attention that I often struggle to distribute my limited time effectively. On the plus side, I can't say I've ever understood the idea of being bored with nothing to do as I've noticed others sometimes experience! :)


Jonathan O'Neill Alexandra wrote: "Oh, what a lovely and entertaining review! It made me smile, it made me laugh, it made me want to reread/read more Shakespeare ;)"

Thanks so much, Alex!
If the desire to read more Shakespeare becomes all too much, please let me know because I had in mind to pick another up shortly-ish and I'm partial to your accompaniment 😂. This is the only one of his works that I've attempted at this point. I can't decide which to attack first so I was going to do a "Shakespeare lucky dip" where I put all his works in a box and pick one out at random! 😂


Jonathan O'Neill Mark wrote: "Good work Jonno!"

Thanks Markus. Just finished an audio version of this, mostly on 20+ hrs of plane ride home from Colombia and thought it worth a re-share. Highly recommend if you haven't already tackled them! Very, very impressive! :)


message 33: by Alexandra (new)

Alexandra Jonathan wrote: "Thanks so much, Alex!
If the desire to read more Shakespeare becomes all too much, please let me know because I had in mind to pick another up shortly-ish and I'm partial to your accompaniment 😂. "


What a nice thing to say 😆 I wouldn't say no to a Shakespeare buddy read, actually. So if your "Shakespeare lucky dip" produces a satisfactory result, let me know 😉


Jonathan O'Neill Alexandra wrote: "Jonathan wrote: "Thanks so much, Alex!
If the desire to read more Shakespeare becomes all too much, please let me know because I had in mind to pick another up shortly-ish and I'm partial to your a..."


Lovely! When the time comes, I'll let you know the result and you can let me know if it's satisfactory! 😁 I hear he's got a few stinkers!


message 35: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Welsh This is a very cool review, with Shakespeare saying the same thing in 17 ways, (😅), yet able to vary the form so fully, Jonathan. All feels like a logical extension of your love for music :)


Jonathan O'Neill Jennifer wrote: "This is a very cool review, with Shakespeare saying the same thing in 17 ways, (😅), yet able to vary the form so fully, Jonathan. All feels like a logical extension of your love for music :)"

Hey! You know I never really thought about it like that, Jen! I guess the first 17 Sonnets could be viewed as Variations on a theme!! 😂😁 If that's the case, they could be considered right up there with Beethoven's Diabelli's! :)


Rosh (Off GR duty for a fortnight!) My brain turns itself off even when I see anything resembling poetry, so sonnets are a strict no-no. I am just here to say that I loved the photo of Shakespeare and his "wife". 😂


Jonathan O'Neill Rosh wrote: "My brain turns itself off even when I see anything resembling poetry, so sonnets are a strict no-no. I am just here to say that I loved the photo of Shakespeare and his "wife". 😂"

Ha! I feel the same sometimes, Rosh. Not that I've read a lot of it. Shakespeare is on another level though! :)
William was looking sharp in his modern suit in this one. The photographer captured the couple nicely. 😁


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