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Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
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really liked it
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I have no idea where to start or finish discussing this book. It’s too complex, surreal, sometimes hits you with sadness, sometimes it’s bizarre and random, and sometimes it’s barely comprehensible. Yet it’s truly unique and ambitious, full of ideas, encyclopedic knowledge and paranoia.

I think I’ll be brief. This is my second Pynchon after Mason & Dixon. M&D is funnier, with a huge heart and big emotions. This book is haunting and it's bigger. It’s huge and my brain is a little bit fried by the time I finished part 4. I know it’s hokey to say but this book is a singular experience, a very rare one in my reading life. With the book that big you'll definitely be more interested in some storylines more than the others. Sorry about vagueness. Ok, let's say the western subplot that was happening in the Zone somewhere in Europe with Enzian and Tchitcherine and its resolution is just chef's kiss.

Btw, this book turned 50 while I was reading it.


And sometimes I dream of discovering the edge of the World. Finding that there is an end. My mountain gentian always knew. But it has cost me so much.

‘America was the edge of the World. A message for Europe, continent-sized, inescapable. Europe had found the site for its Kingdom of Death, that special Death the West had invented. Savages had their waste regions, Kalaharis, lakes so misty they could not see the other side. But Europe had gone deeper–into obsession, addiction, away from all the savage innocences. America was a gift from the invisible powers, a way of returning. But Europe refused it. It wasn’t Europe’s Original Sin–the latest name for that is Modern Analysis–but it happens that Subsequent Sin is harder to atone for.

‘In Africa, Asia, Amerindia, Oceania, Europe came and established its order of Analysis and Death. What it could not use, it killed or altered. In time the death-colonies grew strong enough to break away. But the impulse to empire, the mission to propagate death, the structure of it, kept on. Now we are in the last phase. American Death has come to occupy Europe. It has learned empire from its old metropolis. But now we have only the structure left us, none of the great rainbow plumes, no fittings of gold, no epic marches over alkali seas. The savages of other continents, corrupted but still resisting in the name of life, have gone on despite everything. . . while Death and Europe are separate as ever, their love still unconsummated. Death only rules here. It has never, in love, become one with...
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Reading Progress

February 7, 2023 – Started Reading
February 17, 2023 – Shelved
February 17, 2023 –
page 0
0.0% "And the people who might have been asleep in the empty houses here, people blown away, some already forever . . . are they dreaming of cities that shine all over with lamps at night, of Christmases seen again from the vantage of children and not of sheep huddled so vulnerable on their bare hillside�? or of songs so funny, so lovely or true, that they can’t be remembered on waking . . . dreams of peacetime."
February 18, 2023 –
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0.0% "Maybe because this is 1945.It was widely believed in those days that behind the War—all the death, savagery, and destruction—lay the Führer-principle.But if personalities could be replaced by abstractions of power,if techniques developed by the corporations could be brought to bear,might not nations live rationally?One of the dearest Postwar hopes:that there should be no room for a terrible disease like charisma"
February 18, 2023 –
page 0
0.0% "half of St. Veronica’s hospital in the morning smashed roofless as the old Ick Regis Abbey, powdered as the snow, and poor Spectro picked off, lighted cubbyhole and dark ward subsumed in the blast and he never hearing the approach, the sound too late, after the blast, the rocket’s ghost calling to ghosts it newly made. Then silence."
February 18, 2023 –
page 180
23.2% "You go from dream to dream inside me. You have passage to my last shabby corner, and there, among the debris, you’ve found life. I’m no longer sure which of all the words, images, dreams or ghosts are “yours� and which are “mine.� It’s past sorting out. We’re both being someone new now, someone incredible."
February 28, 2023 –
page 229
29.51% "This book is mercurial. Is it random? I can’t tell at this point. There might be a big grand plan. But even if there isn’t, I strangely don’t mind it at all. What I know is that my brain currently finds it exciting"
March 8, 2023 –
page 285
36.73% "he and a dozen colleagues hijacked an early-vintage German U-boat in Mar de Plata a few weeks ago, and have sailed it back across the Atlantic now, to seek political asylum in Germany, as soon as the War's over there
'You say Germany? You gone goofy? It's a mess there, Jackson!"
"Not nearly the mess we left back home," the sad Argentine replies."
March 12, 2023 –
page 322
41.49% "Christian Europe was always death, Karl, death and repression. Out and down in the colonies, life can be indulged, life and sensuality in all its forms, with no harm done to the Metropolis, nothing to soil those cathedrals, white marble statues, noble thoughts... No word ever gets back. The silences down here are vast enough to absorb all behavior, no matter how dirty, how animal it gets...."
March 19, 2023 –
page 407
52.45% "“They’re using you to kill people,� Leni told him, as clearly as she could. “That’s their only job, and you’re helping them.�
“We’ll all use it, someday,� Pökler responds, “to leave the earth. To transcend. Someday,"honestly trying,"they won't have to kill. Borders won't mean anything.We'll have all outer space..."
"Oh you're blind",spitting it as she spat his blindness at him every day,that and "Kadavergehorsamkeit""
March 20, 2023 –
page 416
53.61% "So, as usual, Pökler chose silence. Had he chosen something else, back while there was time, they all might have saved themselves. Even left the country. Now, too late, when at last he wanted to act, there was nothing to act on. Well, to be honest, he didn't spend much time brooding about past neutralities. He wasn't that sure he's outgrown them, anyway."
March 23, 2023 –
page 476
61.34% "Met Bianca and not gonna lie, want to punch this book. I hope hope hope Pynchon has a great point to make with all this. 🤞"
April 1, 2023 –
page 558
71.91%
April 2, 2023 –
page 630
81.19% "Only one part left. And I want to be done with it asap"
April 3, 2023 –
page 669
86.21% "Ok, The Phoebus cartel and the great lightbulb conspiracy was a real thing! Crazy
"
April 4, 2023 –
page 715
92.14% "The basic problem has always been getting other people to die for you. What's worth enough for a man to give up his life? That's where religion had the edge. But ever since it became impossible to die for death, we have had a secular version. Die to help History grow to its predestined shape. Die knowing your act will bring a good end a bit closer. But look: if History's changes are inevitable, why not not die?"
April 4, 2023 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Jaidee (new)

Jaidee You are brave for reading this and I love that you felt it was so very excellent !


nastya Jaidee wrote: "You are brave for reading this and I love that you felt it was so very excellent !"

Ha, don't know about brave but you need to be determined and driven to finish it. Pynchon won't help you there. And I must admit, I don't think I would've stuck with it if I haven't previously read and loved Mason & Dixon. After Mason & Dixon I had faith in Pynchon.


Aaron Yay, I'm so happy you ended up enjoying it! Planning on reading any more Pynchon, or have you had enough?


nastya Aaron wrote: "Yay, I'm so happy you ended up enjoying it! Planning on reading any more Pynchon, or have you had enough?"

Don't have any plans this moment, not sure I am Pynchon completist. I guess I'm more interested in later grandpa Pynchon, when he mellowed with age? But then the reviews are quite bad for them. Maybe Vineland is next some day in the future? :)


Aaron The only other essentials, imo are V and Crying of Lot 49, but grandpa Pynchon did good with Bleeding Edge, I remember liking that one a lot.


message 6: by Katia (new)

Katia N You bit me to Pynchon, Nastya, but I am
glad you got alone with him nicely:-). I did not quite like “crying of lot whatever number it was�, but I am sure the bigger books are mine kind of stuff. Though it seems to be a lot of gross stuff in this one I’ve heard or not?


message 7: by nastya (last edited Apr 04, 2023 03:57PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

nastya Katia wrote: "ou bit me to Pynchon, Nastya, but I am
glad you got alone with him nicely:-). I did not quite like “crying of lot whatever number it was�, but I am sure the bigger books are mine kind of stuff. Though it seems to be a lot of gross stuff in this one I’ve heard or not?"


You know what, I also heard how gross it was and I expected something disturbing. Do people think about that scene with Katje or what? There're a lot of erections here for sure. But this ain't Hogg. But again, Pynchon isn't trying to be liked by the reader here and I personally think Mason& Dixon is a better place to start.

But the war and the deaths from rocket, the rocket its victims did not even hear, hit me in the feels


message 8: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Sounds like a big project, nastya—for the reader never mind the writer.
I think I'll take your advice to Katia and start with M&D.
I have read Lot 49 but I still don't feel I've actually read Pynchon which is odd...


message 9: by Alexandra (new)

Alexandra Sounds like an amazing and demanding book. Thank you for reminding me of Pynchon. I'll see when I'll embark on a Mason&Dixon journey, but it's on my tbr now, at least.


nastya Fionnuala wrote: "Sounds like a big project, nastya—for the reader never mind the writer.
I think I'll take your advice to Katia and start with M&D"


Yes! From my experience it's the book to make you like him. Or decide if you even do. Gravity's Rainbow is not, it's prickly and it needs the help of the goodwill not to abandon it. I guess there are some readers who'll read it for some metaphorical badge of honor that they did it and it'll help them not to abandon it, but I'm just not built that way. And I don't think it's your style either. Btw I think I started this book twice or three times before really getting into it. I also think it's better to read it slowly. But in the end it's worth it (for me) and definitely an important book of american literature. And maybe postmodernism?


nastya Alexandra wrote: "Sounds like an amazing and demanding book. Thank you for reminding me of Pynchon. I'll see when I'll embark on a Mason&Dixon journey, but it's on my tbr now, at least."

It is demanding, frustrating, confusing and rewarding. I read so many rants about it yesterday and I get it, it is overwritten and sometimes hard to follow, but also there's a fantastic brain behind this book and it's in control even if he goes on tangents. Also his sense of humor can be very absurdist and irreverent, same as mine. You'll see if you like his sense of humor in Mason & Dixon, that book made me howl with laughter!


nastya Canon wrote: "Wonderful review, and damn, that’s a great quote!"

Right? That quote is perfectly relates one of the biggest themes in the book: the love-lust-craving for death, it's there with Blicero, with Slothrop and even Hereros.


message 13: by Mwanamali (new)

Mwanamali Is it better to start with this or M&D? I've always been curious about Pynchon but I've never actually done any research.


nastya mwana wrote: "Is it better to start with this or M&D? I've always been curious about Pynchon but I've never actually done any research."

Oh I personally think you should NOT start your journey in Pynchonland with this book! I think M&D is a great book, it's hard but also there's humor and feels in it. But try to get to the America section, that's where it all clicked for me


message 15: by Mike (new) - added it

Mike R.W. It’s hard not to be intimidated by Pynchon!


nastya Mike wrote: "It’s hard not to be intimidated by Pynchon!"

This was my second Pynchon ever. Now that I’ve read 7 books, i confess I experienced plenty of emotions on that journey.


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