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Eve by Cat Bohannon
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4.5 Stars

For years my husband has complained about not being able to hear dialogue in movies against the backdrop of the score and his inability to keep up with family conversations in restaurants among the ambient noise (note that we have 2 daughters, so all female). In the past I have shrugged away my irritation and told him to clean the wax out of his ears and suggested a good ENT. Well, it turns out that men's ears don't hear higher frequencies as well as women's and that their hearing loss of the higher frequencies (the range where most women speak) begins at age 25. Apparently this difference evolved as females needed to be able to hear their babies over the sounds in the canopy when they moved about. My husband thanks you, Cat Bohannon, and I have issued my apology.

Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human Evolution is an evolutionary and social history through the lens of the female body. The seeds of this book were planted with Bohannon's realization that most medical research was conducted on male subjects so the differences in the female body were not taken into account. Female bodies are not just male bodies with breasts and wide hips; there are fundamental differences.

Some fascinating (to me anyway) things I learned:

Adipose tissue (fat) is an organ. Women's fat and men's fat are different. Each fat deposit in our body has a different function. One example is that the fat in women's hips, thighs, and buttocks is full of long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids like those found in fish oil. At puberty, females begin storing these fats (which we can't obtain enough of from our daily diet) in order to nourish the brain and retinas of a fetus during a pregnancy and breastfeeding.

Most of us know about the immune system benefits that come with breastfeeding. Those babies who are breastfed get an added benefit. While the milk flows out of the nipple there is an upsuck of the baby's saliva. "Depending on what happens to be in baby's spit that day, the mother's breasts will change the particular composition of her milk. Her milk will actually change to include an agent to fight a specific pathogen or to include hormones to soothe a stressed baby.

Pregnant women with malaria are three to four times more likely to suffer from the most severe forms of the disease, and of those who do, 50 percent will die. . . . The entire reason the United States built the CDC [and located it in Atlanta] is that malaria was rampant throughout the American south. Malaria was finally eradicated in the United States in 1951." My footnote (not in the book): In 2023, for the first time since then, there have been 9 reported cases of locally acquired malaria in the U.S.--7 in FL, 2 in TX, and 1 in MD. Climate change?

Why do women live long after they are no longer reproduce and live longer and more healthfully than men? Bohannon posits that "whatever helps female bodies live on may simply benefit male bodies less, and losing more males may not cost primate societies that much. . . . From a scientific perspective, males don't really need to live as long as females to perpetuate the species." As to the why, Bohannon suggests that "Before we could write stuff down, it was especially important to have someone in the group who could remember earlier crises. It's usually not hard to find someone who can remember a difficult thing that happened ten years ago. It's much harder to find someone who remembers a difficult thing that happened forty years ago, or how, precisely, the community managed to find a workaround." This knowledge combined with gynecological and midwifery skills were the evolutionary pressures that selected women to live longer.

Where I feel Bohannon is less sure footed is in her hypothesis over the evolution of sexism. Do read her thoughts and come to your own conclusions.

Bohannon is an excellent writer--clear, engaging, informative, and entertaining. There is so much more than these bits that I have shared, and all of it is fascinating. If the topic interests you, by all means take the plunge and read this book!

Publication 2023


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September 25, 2023 – Shelved
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message 1: by Julie (new)

Julie G This looks fascinating, Lisa!


Lisa It is! I am thoroughly enjoying it!


message 3: by Ron (new)

Ron Very interesting. Had to be more so for you while reading, Lisa. I think I've heard about a woman's innate ability to hear their child's voice (I may be thinking of other mammals as well). Enjoyed the humorous touches with your husband - men and women could make jokes about one another's hearing all day!


message 4: by Candi (new) - added it

Candi Haha! Great story about your husband's hearing, Lisa :D Well, a late apology is better than none at all ;D I already knew I wanted to read this but your excellent review would have forced me to add if I hadn't already. I've got another female evolution book to read first but I'll get to this eventually too.


message 5: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala And women have complained for centuries about men's 'selective hearing'!
I'd be inclined to go with Bohannon's theories on why women live longer. I've noticed that it is the women in my extended family that remember the important stuff, the medical history of grandparents, the names of all the relatives, the chains of connection between cousins, etc. If the men ever heard that stuff, it went in one ear and out the other. Their ears really are different!


message 6: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton What a fascinating review of what sounds like a fascinating book, Lisa!! Having 4 daughters, I do sympathise with your hubby - I mean it's not only the volume, it's the speed, swift change of subject but now I know, the frequency of their chatter is an issue. I find it hard to keep up too.

And what about this ".....and losing more males may not cost primate societies that much." - NOW COME ON!!!!! Surely we're good for a laugh, even if that laughter is directed at us not with us. Great review my friend :))


Lisa Ron wrote: "Very interesting. Had to be more so for you while reading, Lisa. I think I've heard about a woman's innate ability to hear their child's voice (I may be thinking of other mammals as well). Enjoyed ..."

Thanks Ron. I found this book fascinating all the way through. There's so much here that I either didn't know or had never considered from this viewpoint.


Lisa Candi wrote: "Haha! Great story about your husband's hearing, Lisa :D Well, a late apology is better than none at all ;D I already knew I wanted to read this but your excellent review would have forced me to add..."

Thanks Candi. What's the other book on your list? Is it something that might pique my interest?


message 9: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Welsh Well, this may explain why I always felt more listened to in work settings with men than my female coworkers did � my voice is deep. That stuff about the spontaneous change of breast milk is fascinating! Malaria has come up in recent convos, so your info is timely and appreciated. I’m not sure I buy that explanation of why females live longer, however—don’t males have just as much experience protecting us from crisis as females? Thanks for your informative and interesting review, Lisa! I almost feel I don’t have to read the book ;)


message 10: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Fionnuala wrote: "And women have complained for centuries about men's 'selective hearing'!
I'd be inclined to go with Bohannon's theories on why women live longer. I've noticed that it is the women in my extended f..."


I have noticed this too. I think that it is because women tend to focus on people and how they are affected by situations and events. My husband can come home from an outing with his brother and not know one thing about what is happening with his family.


message 11: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Mark wrote: "What a fascinating review of what sounds like a fascinating book, Lisa!! Having 4 daughters, I do sympathise with your hubby - I mean it's not only the volume, it's the speed, swift change of subje..."

Well the laughs are good, and evolution doesn't care how much we laugh. 😞

It only takes a male a few months to make sperm and about 60 seconds to ejaculate. And far fewer of them are needed as one can impregnate multiple woman. There is a lot more invested in a woman who has to wait for eggs to mature, carry that baby for 9 months, breastfeed that baby, and then care for the child for several years until it is able to be independent.

Evolution just selects for what is most likely to continue going forward.

Ok. End of lecture, especially as I know you were just being lighthearted. I can get carried away . . .


message 12: by Mark (new)

Mark  Porton It does sound we do have it all over you lot in the efficiency stakes Lisa, our productity is quite remarkable. Just saying 😌

Anyway, sleep time for me. Night!! 😴


message 13: by Julie (new)

Julie G Sooo interesting, Lisa! I'm also happy about the kismet here--I'm currently reading FEVER 1793 to my daughter, for our history project, and I was just saying to "our" Jennifer (in NY) on the phone, "whatever happened to malaria?" Thank you for this information!


message 14: by Julie (new)

Julie G Jennifer,
I didn't see your comment above until now. So funny, right? (The malaria topic again?). Not funny ha ha, just interesting timing.


message 15: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Welsh Julie, yes, very funny timing, and Lisa gave us the specifics we wanted. I wish that would happen more often ;)


message 16: by Debbie (new)

Debbie Such a compelling review, Lisa! Great job! 👏🏼


message 17: by Canadian Jen (new)

Canadian Jen Interesting about the hearing. Makes me wonder what my problem is though...haha. Great review, Lisa. Glad you found it fascinating!


message 18: by Antoinette (new)

Antoinette This sounds like a fascinating book, Lisa. So many interesting tidbits. Fantastic review:)


message 19: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Jennifer wrote: "Well, this may explain why I always felt more listened to in work settings with men than my female coworkers did � my voice is deep. That stuff about the spontaneous change of breast milk is fascin..."

Jennifer, there's so much more. I just picked out a few things to share. I am interested and enthralled!


message 20: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Mark wrote: "It does sound we do have it all over you lot in the efficiency stakes Lisa, our productity is quite remarkable. Just saying 😌

Anyway, sleep time for me. Night!! 😴"


I think we're all remarkable! 😀


message 21: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Julie & Jennifer, so glad to be of service.
I'm a good resource on a lot of current health topics, just feel free to ask.
I so appreciate when the universe effortlessly provides! 😀


message 22: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Debbie wrote: "Such a compelling review, Lisa! Great job! 👏🏼"

Thank you Debbie! I have a lot of enthusiasm for this book.


message 23: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Jen CANADA wrote: "Interesting about the hearing. Makes me wonder what my problem is though...haha. Great review, Lisa. Glad you found it fascinating!"

Thank you, Jennifer. I do love biology and all things related!


message 24: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Antoinette wrote: "This sounds like a fascinating book, Lisa. So many interesting tidbits. Fantastic review:)"

This really is mesmerizing if you're interested in the topic.


Left Coast Justin An excellent writeup of a book that looks to be my next foray into biology, Lisa.

Males don't really need to live as long as females to perpetuate the species...

That statements been generating a lot of comments here -- okay if I add mine? The author has had the good fortune to grow up in a society in which marauding bands of men don't arrive, clubs and spears in hand, to capture slaves and murder with impunity. Some of the 'community action' you mentioned was doubtless military in nature. Going back even further in time, many of our Great Ape relatives still have males who kill off infants sired by rival males to bring the females more quickly into estrus. I can imagine, in a society like that, having a couple of shrewd old uncles could be a real help.


message 26: by Candi (new) - added it

Candi "Thanks Candi. What's the other book on your list? Is it something that might pique my interest?"

A Brief History of the Female Body: An Evolutionary Look at How and Why the Female Form Came to Be. Justin reviewed it, so check out his thoughts!


message 27: by Laysee (new)

Laysee How fascinating and informative! Thank you, Lisa. I never knew women have better hearing capacity than men. And fish-oil-like fat in their hips!


message 28: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Left Coast Justin wrote: "An excellent writeup of a book that looks to be my next foray into biology, Lisa.

Males don't really need to live as long as females to perpetuate the species...

That statements been generating a..."


Please do chime in. Bohannon does talk about these issues.
I just picked a very few things to include in my review. She does tell of infanticide, by mothers, and other females as well as by males, both the fathers and not. Evolution has no morals; it selects purely for survival.

After you read this, please tag me. I 'd love to talk about her theories on monogamy and sexism.


message 29: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Candi wrote: ""Thanks Candi. What's the other book on your list? Is it something that might pique my interest?"

[book:A Brief History of the Female Body: An Evolutionary Look at How and Why the Female Form Came..."


Thanks. I jotted this one down, and somehow didn't hit the button here on GR. These 2 sound like good companion reads.


message 30: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Laysee wrote: "How fascinating and informative! Thank you, Lisa. I never knew women have better hearing capacity than men. And fish-oil-like fat in their hips!"

I learned a lot with this enjoyable read. Now to see how much of it sticks to the brain. 😉


message 31: by Candi (last edited Dec 12, 2023 07:17AM) (new) - added it

Candi "Where I feel Bohannon is less sure footed is in her hypothesis over the evolution of sexism. Do read her thoughts and come to your own conclusions."

Because it will be some time before I get to this book, and because I'm super curious to hear what Bohannon has to say about sexism and monogamy, I did a bit of legwork. There's an NPR interview transcript with Bohannon that covers a bit about this among other parts of her book. I'm sure I'll get more out of reading the entire work but the interview was an interesting snippet :)


message 32: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Candi wrote: ""Where I feel Bohannon is less sure footed is in her hypothesis over the evolution of sexism. Do read her thoughts and come to your own conclusions."

Because it will be some time before I get to t..."


Bohannon defines sexism as rules a society creates around access to female bodies and fertility. I hadn't thought of it that bluntly before. She posits her theories of how these rules may have evolved in varying cultures. And her opinion of how they currently do, or do not, serve. Since this is more sociological than biological, there is a lot less concrete support for her theories. And they certainly will get you thinking.

I am thrilled to have sent you seeking more, and glad you've had a taste of this book. I know you'll get to it eventually and will enjoy it.


message 33: by Candi (new) - added it

Candi Lisa, sometimes I wish I could turn back time and study these things in depth - forget the damn math! :D


message 34: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Candi wrote: "Lisa, sometimes I wish I could turn back time and study these things in depth - forget the damn math! :D"

Hmmmm. Once your youngest finishes college I can see you back in the classroom. Which of the many topics that interest you will you pursue?


message 35: by Candi (new) - added it

Candi Lisa wrote: "Candi wrote: "Lisa, sometimes I wish I could turn back time and study these things in depth - forget the damn math! :D"

Hmmmm. Once your youngest finishes college I can see you back in the classro..."


I'd probably not land back in the classroom at this point, unless it was for a library science degree. But if I turned the clock back, I'd say maybe something in the field of biology. I enjoy my talks about evolution and genetics with my daughter a whole lot :)


message 36: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Candi wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Candi wrote: "Lisa, sometimes I wish I could turn back time and study these things in depth - forget the damn math! :D"

Hmmmm. Once your youngest finishes college I can see you back i..."


While our daughters were doing their high school courses I took a night class each semester at the Community College for the sheer joy of it. It allowed me to dabble in those areas of interest with a little discipline and structure and gave me a good excuse and practice in saying no to other things.


message 37: by Paul (new)

Paul Weiss "Well, it turns out that men's ears don't hear higher frequencies as well as women's and that their hearing loss of the higher frequencies (the range where most women speak) begins at age 25. "

I definitely have substantial high frequency hearing loss. I'll have to explain this to my wife when she tells me I don't listen to her, LOL!


message 38: by Lisa (last edited Dec 16, 2023 04:03AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Paul wrote: "I definitely have substantial high frequency hearing loss. I'll have to explain this to my wife when she tells me I don't listen to her, LOL"

My husband is thrilled that I have stopped harangueing him over this! Good luck with your wife! 😄


Left Coast Justin Hey Lisa, sorry for the late response. Once I figure out to send a PM with this lightweight phone app, I'd love to follow up on your invitation a few posts back.


message 40: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Left Coast Justin wrote: "Hey Lisa, sorry for the late response. Once I figure out to send a PM with this lightweight phone app, I'd love to follow up on your invitation a few posts back."

Ah technology. So much promise and frequently great. And so much headache and frustration. All rolled into one!

Whenever you get to it. My opinions never leave me, they just sometimes change as I am persuaded to see aspects of the world differently.


message 41: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Carol wrote: "What an excellent illuminating review, Lisa 💜!!!! Love seeing all those stars �!!!"

Aren't 5 Star reading experiences the best?!


message 42: by Michelle (new) - added it

Michelle Wow, this is such an interesting review! Our family is the opposite; I am the only female in a family of 5, and would like to have some back-up to share with my guys when discussions get in=depth about such topics.


message 43: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Michelle wrote: "Wow, this is such an interesting review! Our family is the opposite; I am the only female in a family of 5, and would like to have some back-up to share with my guys when discussions get in=depth a..."

Michelle, I found this an engrossing read presenting a lot of new information and ideas for me to consider. I think at the very least you will learn a lot about the evolution of female anatomy and physiology.


Left Coast Justin Bohannon is an excellent writer--clear, engaging, informative, and entertaining.

Now that I've read this (and thanks for prompting me to do so) I couldn't agree more with the statement above.

I *do* feel the science got a bit weaker as we moved along, and perhaps there was some cherry-picking of data to support her thesis. I still feel the argument that "wise grandmas" are useful while "wise grandpas" play no role was not persuasive.


message 45: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Left Coast Justin wrote: "Bohannon is an excellent writer--clear, engaging, informative, and entertaining.

Now that I've read this (and thanks for prompting me to do so) I couldn't agree more with the statement above.

I *..."


I'm so glad I prompted you to read a book for a change. And I found this one a very worthwhile read, though I didn't agree with all of her opinions; yes, those last sections of the book. I did learn a lot, and found it endlessly fascinating.


message 46: by Joe (new) - added it

Joe Krakovsky Well now I know why my daughter can scream so loud and my wife never seems to forget stuff that I hope she forgets. Great review, Lisa.


message 47: by Lisa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Joe (NOT RECEIVING NOTIFICATIONS) wrote: "Well now I know why my daughter can scream so loud and my wife never seems to forget stuff that I hope she forgets. Great review, Lisa."

So glad to have been of service! 😂


message 48: by FlaiderX (new)

FlaiderX (Tay&FX) I'm sorry, of course. I am quite advanced in the science of gender differences and I will say briefly that this book is very weak and the author has a weak analytical apparatus. The rumor column is one of the weakest in her book, because the claims, the weak scientific basis that she cited, are simply ridiculous. Yes, men on AVERAGE may have slightly worse hearing at high frequencies with age (well, there are differences of 5-10 dB). But men, for example, have better frequency and tonal discrimination, better localization of sound, and they perform better in masking tasks (when there is a target signal that is masked by another sound signal, and the task is to recognize the target signal). I think you understand that this is poorly correlated with the thresholds. Despite the fact that many gender differences in high-frequency hearing loss occur due to different social interactions (men serving in the army, working in noisy environments, vascular problems, smoking, alcohol, etc.), of course, there is biology here, which can give a little more protection to women.

But the example you gave does not mean at all that your husband does not hear high frequencies very well. I doubt that you are talking at a frequency of 6-8 kHz. It may be a problem with attention, or other cognitive problems.

This is sad because such books mislead people who are far from science. Because the differences, even if they exist, are very AVERAGE. The author mentions differences in olfaction, but does not cite the 2019 meta-analysis, where, although there was a female advantage, it was very small.

She talks about color perception, but only within the framework of tetrachromacy, forgetting to say that many color vision carriers (i.e., women with a defective gene, which some claim makes them tetrachromatic) actually experience an increase in color discrimination.

It is sad that popular science still exploits the science of gender differences and further spreads the false paradigm by exaggerating (usually using jokes), or forgetting to make remarks and formulate thoughts correctly, noting that these differences are averaged, and both sexes are more similar than different.
Your husband may have good hearing, not much inferior to yours, but he may have trouble paying attention.


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