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Venetia by Georgette Heyer
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Read 2 times. Last read November 13, 2021 to November 14, 2021.

Venetia would be one of my favorite Heyers if it didn't start with a scene that would meet the legal requirements of sexual assault. Rakish Lord Damerel sees a beautiful girl in a rumpled dress picking blackberries on his land, assumes she is a tenant or country girl, and then
Venetia then found herself being ruthlessly kissed. Her cheeks much flushed, her eyes blazing, she fought strenuously to break free from a stronger hold than she had ever known, but her efforts only made Damerel laugh

Look, I don't mind my heroes arrogant or rude or grumpy, but assault-y is a different matter entirely. This episode is more or less laughed off, with Damerel chastened only by the fact that Venetia turns out to be gentry (as if consent didn't matter for the poor), but I find it much less forgivable than the thing that established Damerel's reputation as a rake 22 years ago - running off with a married lady of quality. At least she consented.

Damerel improves greatly upon acquaintance, but that beginning is rough. Venetia is one of Heyer's most romantic books in that the focus remains on the couple - no mysteries, comedic hijinks, or attempted murders. And once past that appalling initial scene, it's a charming story of a friendship formed over mutual frankness and liveliness of mind, and of earnest good intentions that end up backfiring before they can be set right again. Venetia, one of Heyer's most forthright and proactive heroines, ends up taking things in hand rather splendidly.

Although I generally dislike reforming-the-rake stories (surely one of the reasons women stay in abusive relationships with men they think they can 'save'), I do like the way the easy, comfortable way these two interact, and also how they both acknowledge Damerel's checkered past without shame or unease:
He even made her laugh, for when she was talking about the delights of shopping in Paris he said: "And for hats of the first style of elegance, Phanie!" which surprised a little trill of mirth out of her. "Yes! How did you know?" she asked, looking innocently up at him.

Venetia choked, and saw a muscle quiver in the corner of Damerel's mouth. But he said gravely: "I fancy I must have heard the name on the lips of some lady of my acquaintance."

Georgette Heyer is also queen of the understated burn, and she is relentless here with the socially ambitious mushroom as well as the obliviously selfish. Mrs. Scorrier is a gem of awfulness that anyone who's ever been embroiled in a petty power struggle will surely relate to:
It was the first of the many hasty interventions she felt herself obliged to make during the course of what she bitterly described as a truly memorable dinner-party, for while Aubrey offered no unprovoked attacks he was swift to avenge any hint of aggression. Since he made it abundantly plain that he had constituted himself his sister's champion, and won every encounter with the foe, Venetia could only suppose that Mrs. Scorrier was either very stupid, or compelled by her evil genius to court discomfiture.

And Venetia's kindly-intentioned but shallow aunt:
The only fault Mrs. Hendred had to find in the news was that the Queen should have chosen to die on the 17th instead of the 18th November, for the 17th was the day fixed for the ball she was giving in Venetia's honour. Few things could have been more provoking.

0/0 stars for the first encounter between Venetia and Damerel, 4.5 for all of the subsequent ones. It's so close to being apex Heyer, yet it just doesn't start on the right foot.
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Allie Totally agree with your review. Heyer has the rakish hero assault the heroine in several books (e.g., Devil’s Cub, Regency Buck) and has the heroine demonstrate her virtue by resisting. Yuck. It actually bothers me even more when contemporary romance authors do this in their books, at least Heyer was writing decades before feminism.

But otherwise, this book is one of my favorites, along with Frederica, the Grand Sophy, and These Old Shades. I would love to organize a Heyer buddy read at some point. 😊


Jennifer @Allie I'm embarrassed to admit that I really like Devil's Cub, even though its hero is way more of an asshole than Damerel. I can't explain it and am probably getting kicked out of the good feminists' club over it. I have not read These Old Shades for almost two decades, however, and would be up for a buddy read.


message 3: by nastya (last edited Feb 21, 2022 03:29PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

nastya Jennifer wrote: " I can't explain it and am probably getting kicked out of the good feminists' club over it."

never! or they would have to kick out both of us. love plenty of problematic romances and heroes. ( I don't think they are but people seem to disagree)


Jennifer nastya wrote: "Jennifer wrote: " I can't explain it and am probably getting kicked out of the good feminists' club over it."

never! or they would have to kick out both of us. love plenty of problematic romances ..."


Fair enough! There's quite a difference between 'oh, this is a sparky and enjoyable romance to read' and 'let me seek out this level of dysfunction in my personal relationships.'


message 5: by nastya (last edited Feb 21, 2022 07:19PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

nastya Jennifer wrote: "Fair enough! There's quite a difference between 'oh, this is a sparky and enjoyable romance to read' and 'let me seek out this level of dysfunction in my personal relationships.'"

feminism is supposed to be inclusive (I think so, we need all 8 billion people in there) and, I would argue, has even a place for those who want dysfunction. It's fighting against oppression. I always check like this - swap the genders and what we'll get? Just a man who wants to be dominated, it won't reflect on a male gender. 🙂

and in fiction - you like what you like and dislike what you dislike. you can always rationalize it but, at the end of the day, you'll be forgiving to things that speak to you and nitpicking those that annoy you. 🙂

P.S. how I want to find a new good romance novel.


Allie No need to be embarrassed, Jennifer! These Old Shades has its own problematic trope - a much older man and a girl in her late teens - which I usually hate. But I first read the book as a teen, and I have a soft spot for Alistair.

Nastya, I don’t have a problem with relationships that have a dominant partner. People can choose what works for them! My issue is when one character (male or female) assaults the other one, and this is waved away as not problematic. Unfortunately, this seems to happen often in romance novels, where it is usually the male character assaulting the woman. It’s the “X says no, but really means yes� interpretation that justifies all kinds of awfulness. *climbs off soapbox*


nastya Allie wrote: "My issue is when one character (male or female) assaults the other one, and this is waved away as not problematic. "

oh I hate this too, there are a lot of dubious consent in older romances and sometimes I can tolerate them (miscommunication, not knowing what's happening because of lack of experience), but they must be addressed in the text. But I can never tolerate a romance where it happens because of anger and wanting to punish the woman. And then, just the hero saying sorry and getting his HEA.


nastya It’s the “X says no, but really means yes� interpretation that justifies all kinds of awfulness.

I think it was so popular because of how conservative women were. The main heroine is not some whore to want sex and say it, so she must be almost taken against her will to still be chaste but then she enjoys it because readers of course want her to and it's a fantasy. At least this is my interpretation, but I must admit, I haven't read a lot of pre 1990s romances.


Jennifer I haven't read many romances beyond Heyer, nor thought very much about romantic tropes, though if anything I generally gravitate towards enemies-to-lovers (but not assaulty enemies!). I dislike May-December romances because they tend to affirm sexist power imbalances, with the obvious exception of Harold and Maude. :-)

Nastya, that's an interesting hypothesis about sexual repression and how it resulted in a rape = romantic fantasy trope. I hope that one is on its way out.


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