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�History is like a horror story,� wrote Roberto Bolaño and Tommy Orange chronicles the long history of �America's war on its own people� in Wandering Stars. Moving through the horrors of the past across generations of violence, genocide and institutional or social erasures and on into a present day of lingering traumas and addictions, Wandering Stars works something like a Godfather Pt 2 to his 2018 novel, There There, being simultaneously a sequel and prequel to the events of that book. We last encountered Orvil Red Feather as yet another victim to gun violence in the final pages of There, There, though this story on the legacy that brought his bloodline to that moment of bloodshed as well as the volatile recovery in the aftermath could just as easily be read as a stand-alone. Still, it was delightful to revisit familiar characters as well as many new ones, each with an impressively distinct voice in a narrative propelled by Orange’s extraordinary acrobatic use of language. Wandering Stars is a sharp critique on a bloodsoaked American history, tracing trauma from colonization and forced assimilation into addictions and fractured histories, though there is still a light and a heavy hope �making this place more than its accumulated pain.�
�Surviving wasn't enough. To endure or pass through endurance test after endurance test only ever gave you endurance test passing abilities. Simply lasting was great for a wall, for a fortress, but not for a person.�
Where There, There was caught in a breakneck inertia spiraling towards impending disaster, Wandering Stars does a lot of, well, wandering. We move across history through the many generations of the Red Feather family, taking us from the and into the forced assimilation programs or prisons. This is juxtaposed with a narrative set in the present following Orvil and several other familiar characters. It meanders but never flails, stepping in wide rings of time, sending its prose to swoop and soar, until finally you find a rhythm moving underneath it all and the narrative becomes a sort of dance. A celebration amidst the sadness, a tribute to the past and a plea for the future.
�Stories do more than comfort. They take you away and bring you back better made.�
While this is a larger story made up of the amalgamation of multiple stories, this is also—in many ways—a story about stories and why they matter. Charles� notes that his incomplete memories are nothing more than �a broken mirror, through which he only ever sees himself in pieces,� which nudges a central theme on how we use histories or stories as ways to understand our pasts and ourselves. A boy asks �why there weren’t any Native American superheroes,� or a woman in midcentury America is told by a librarian there doesn’t seem to be any books written by indigenous authors. Instead they must see the world through the narratives of people who look like the �very kind of men some of us had seen wipe our people out.� It’s why publishers need to ensure , its why we should make space for more voices lest we choke off storytelling as another form of silencing. That the character Jude witness so many atrocities but is mute and unable to vocalize them is a powerful metaphor, especially juxtaposed with the personal memoirs Charles is able to leave behind. Language and writing become a haven, and it is in learning to read and copy the Bible that we find the titular wandering star of the novel:
�Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.�
That Orange is a superb storyteller makes it all the better. Orange has a dynamic range of voice, moving between characters as well as from fiction to nonfiction passages. Orange has often in authors like Roberto Bolaño, Clarice Lispector, Jorge Luis Borges, or Javier Marías because they are � not afraid to be really cerebral but also somehow have excellent pacing at same time,� though many of the passages in Stars feels closer to the mechanics of one of his other favorites: José Saramago. Such as this passage which meticulously weaves languages while winding its way through the halls of history:
He is speaking of the in boarding school programs that ran under the slogan �Kill the Indian, Save the Man� in an attempt to push �the vanishing race off into final captivity before disappearing into history forever.� This is why survival becomes so key in the novel, though merely surviving is often not enough. Often survival is its own trade off with destruction, such as how the granting of citizenship and assimilation was an effort to dissolve�'a kind of chemical word for a gradual death of tribes and Indians, a clinical killing, designed by psychopaths calling themselves politicians'—the tribes and erase tribal identity. The forced full citizenship as a way to end federal recognition of tribes and transfer reservation legal jurisdiction over to the federal government, all despite indigenous peoples already being granted citizenship in 1924. As is often the case, language becomes a mask for cruelty.
�I think I needed to feel the bottom to know how to rise. Maybe we're all looking for our bottoms and tops in search of balance, where the loop feels just right, and like it's not just rote, not just repetition, but a beautiful echo, one so entrenching we lose ourselves in it.�
The novel is wracked with scenes of addiction, poverty and heartbreak but also the dilemma of a disconnect with the past. A large theme of There, There touched on how indigenous identity was often difficult to pin down in the modern world, a theme that continues here. While there is the recognition that �no Indians from when they first named us Indians would recognize us as Indians now,� even Orvil admits that in the present day many of the historical indigenous practices they keep alive �can feel corny, and fake, or like trying too hard for something that wasn’t really there.� Times change, identity shifts, and how can one feel the pulse of the past when the nation spent so much effort and violence into erasing their stories. Though this is not necessarily a complete loss as the novel notes that change is natural and life flows into life, such as the family lineage going from Stars to Bear Shields and eventually Red Feathers. The family marches forward through time even when beleaguered by external aggressions or internal struggles.
Ultimately, Wandering Stars captures �the kind of love that survives surviving.� It is the thing that keeps us going, the heavy hope we are willing to carry. This is an ambitious novel, a bit quieter and looser than its predecessor, and it seeks to capture the truly expansive ideas and questions on identity and history. While perhaps it overreaches at times and can occasionally feel like checking as many boxes of themes as possible instead of thoroughly exploring a tighter few, Orange manages to carry his ideas into fruition and craft an engaging novel that achieves its goals.
4.5/5
'Everything about your life will feel impossible. And you being or becoming an Indian will feel the same. Nevertheless you will be an Indian and an American and a woman and a human wanting to belong to what being human means.'
�Surviving wasn't enough. To endure or pass through endurance test after endurance test only ever gave you endurance test passing abilities. Simply lasting was great for a wall, for a fortress, but not for a person.�
Where There, There was caught in a breakneck inertia spiraling towards impending disaster, Wandering Stars does a lot of, well, wandering. We move across history through the many generations of the Red Feather family, taking us from the and into the forced assimilation programs or prisons. This is juxtaposed with a narrative set in the present following Orvil and several other familiar characters. It meanders but never flails, stepping in wide rings of time, sending its prose to swoop and soar, until finally you find a rhythm moving underneath it all and the narrative becomes a sort of dance. A celebration amidst the sadness, a tribute to the past and a plea for the future.
�Stories do more than comfort. They take you away and bring you back better made.�
While this is a larger story made up of the amalgamation of multiple stories, this is also—in many ways—a story about stories and why they matter. Charles� notes that his incomplete memories are nothing more than �a broken mirror, through which he only ever sees himself in pieces,� which nudges a central theme on how we use histories or stories as ways to understand our pasts and ourselves. A boy asks �why there weren’t any Native American superheroes,� or a woman in midcentury America is told by a librarian there doesn’t seem to be any books written by indigenous authors. Instead they must see the world through the narratives of people who look like the �very kind of men some of us had seen wipe our people out.� It’s why publishers need to ensure , its why we should make space for more voices lest we choke off storytelling as another form of silencing. That the character Jude witness so many atrocities but is mute and unable to vocalize them is a powerful metaphor, especially juxtaposed with the personal memoirs Charles is able to leave behind. Language and writing become a haven, and it is in learning to read and copy the Bible that we find the titular wandering star of the novel:
�Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.�
That Orange is a superb storyteller makes it all the better. Orange has a dynamic range of voice, moving between characters as well as from fiction to nonfiction passages. Orange has often in authors like Roberto Bolaño, Clarice Lispector, Jorge Luis Borges, or Javier Marías because they are � not afraid to be really cerebral but also somehow have excellent pacing at same time,� though many of the passages in Stars feels closer to the mechanics of one of his other favorites: José Saramago. Such as this passage which meticulously weaves languages while winding its way through the halls of history:
�When the Indian Wars began to go cold, the theft of land and tribal sovereignty bureaucratic, they came for Indian children, forcing them into boarding schools, where if they did not die of what they called consumption even while they regularly were starved; if they were not buried in duty, training for agricultural or industrial labor, or indentured servitude; were they not buried in children’s cemeteries, or in unmarked graves, not lost somewhere between the school and home having run away, unburied, unfound, lost to time, or lost between exile and refuge, between school, tribal homelands, reservation, and city; if they made it through routine beatings and rape, if they survived, made lives and families and homes, it was because of this and only this: Such Indian children were made to carry more than they were made to carry.�
He is speaking of the in boarding school programs that ran under the slogan �Kill the Indian, Save the Man� in an attempt to push �the vanishing race off into final captivity before disappearing into history forever.� This is why survival becomes so key in the novel, though merely surviving is often not enough. Often survival is its own trade off with destruction, such as how the granting of citizenship and assimilation was an effort to dissolve�'a kind of chemical word for a gradual death of tribes and Indians, a clinical killing, designed by psychopaths calling themselves politicians'—the tribes and erase tribal identity. The forced full citizenship as a way to end federal recognition of tribes and transfer reservation legal jurisdiction over to the federal government, all despite indigenous peoples already being granted citizenship in 1924. As is often the case, language becomes a mask for cruelty.
�I think I needed to feel the bottom to know how to rise. Maybe we're all looking for our bottoms and tops in search of balance, where the loop feels just right, and like it's not just rote, not just repetition, but a beautiful echo, one so entrenching we lose ourselves in it.�
The novel is wracked with scenes of addiction, poverty and heartbreak but also the dilemma of a disconnect with the past. A large theme of There, There touched on how indigenous identity was often difficult to pin down in the modern world, a theme that continues here. While there is the recognition that �no Indians from when they first named us Indians would recognize us as Indians now,� even Orvil admits that in the present day many of the historical indigenous practices they keep alive �can feel corny, and fake, or like trying too hard for something that wasn’t really there.� Times change, identity shifts, and how can one feel the pulse of the past when the nation spent so much effort and violence into erasing their stories. Though this is not necessarily a complete loss as the novel notes that change is natural and life flows into life, such as the family lineage going from Stars to Bear Shields and eventually Red Feathers. The family marches forward through time even when beleaguered by external aggressions or internal struggles.
Ultimately, Wandering Stars captures �the kind of love that survives surviving.� It is the thing that keeps us going, the heavy hope we are willing to carry. This is an ambitious novel, a bit quieter and looser than its predecessor, and it seeks to capture the truly expansive ideas and questions on identity and history. While perhaps it overreaches at times and can occasionally feel like checking as many boxes of themes as possible instead of thoroughly exploring a tighter few, Orange manages to carry his ideas into fruition and craft an engaging novel that achieves its goals.
4.5/5
'Everything about your life will feel impossible. And you being or becoming an Indian will feel the same. Nevertheless you will be an Indian and an American and a woman and a human wanting to belong to what being human means.'
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Thank you so much! Oh wow, I think I read that its like an Army college or something now? Or is it a museum? I should read more on that. Sad stuff though.

Thank you so much! Really loved your review as well, and glad you also mentioned it worked well as a standalone even having read them back to back. It certainly added to it having read There There but it was 5 years ago for me now so the way this established context enough to be on its own was really nice. His use of language is incredible. I remember enjoying his writing in the first book but this one just blew me away. That whole like...historical chapter was amazing, Thanks again! Glad you enjoyed!


That is so kind, thank you! I mostly just can't shut up haha. But thanks, this was such a good one. He really pulls you through a lot on such a poetic wave.


YEA how does he do it?! Magic I guess. But for real, that is a great way to put it, he opens your heart with the poeticness and drives the ideas right inside. I love stories made up of stories too, so that always helps. I think so much can blossom in the abstract space between the tales and become the real story growing vines around them all to hold it together.
And thank you!


Oooo yes I hope you enjoy There There! That one blew me away when I read it and honestly I wish I would have reread before doing this one. This can be read totally standalone too, but still. Can't wait to hear what you think!


It’s SUCH a good quote! It made me think of that “survival is not enough� quite from Station Eleven but more of a discourse on why that is than just a good slogan? He’s so good, I wonder if he ever writes poetry honestly. And thank you but your review is brilliant! So glad you loved this book too but yea, There There is unbeatable.
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Yes, it's currently the location of the U.S. Army War College. I drive by the Indian Boarding School Cemetery quite often. Very poignant.


Oooo yay I think you would love his stuff, its sort of the sweet spot of things we both seem to enjoy especially when it comes to writing style. And right? I had no idea until the other day those were his influences but as soon as I read them I was like "of COURSE I love his style, I love all of them too." Truthfully, I had already opened this review with the Bolano quote before I found out he was one of his influences so it seemed perfect.
Excited to hear what you think! Would definitely recommend starting with There, There. That was a powerhouse of a book. I wish I hadn't been in the goodreads hiatus when I read that because I didn't even have notes to refer back to haha.

Thank you so much :)

Oh excellent, I hope you enjoy!

Oh wow yea. Some heavy stuff to pass by I'm sure.


Ha fair I mean I definitely got a bit teary a few times. Worth it though. And thank you so much :)

Thank you! Yea that is fair, and like, it’s cool you know what will or won’t work for you I always think that’s a good reader trait to have. And glad the review could satisfy haha

Thank you so much! Oh yay I hope your library hold comes in soon, it was super good. Excited to hear what you think!

It was so good! Glad you loved this. Wow can Orange write. I'm already excited for him to write a third book haha hope it isn't too long a wait,


Thank you! I thought of you when I was reviewing this wondering if you’ve read Orange since you seem to gravitate towards reading indigenous fiction. He’s SO good, definitely check out There, There it blew me away (and this one, so good too but There There is like Woah). Oh have you read Night of the Living Rez? I bought it so excited to read it and then…just never got to it haha but it’s supposed to be good and I think he’s from Maine? Or somewhere in New England?
But I would love to hear your thoughts on this one too. Yea, totally devastating. This one was interesting to see the US side of the boarding schools, I guess I’d heard of it but all the focus seems to be on the ones in Canada lately.

I actually haven't read too many indigenous authors, just Wagamese and Angeline Boulley (who is actually from, and I believe writes about, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan; they just cross the border a few times in Firekeeper's Daughter and I forgot which side they lived in) - I have been trying to be more intentional about picking up indigenous books though.
I put in a hold for There, There which should come in relatively soon! Sometimes with books I hear so much about/see everywhere for a bit I completely forget about picking them up which is what happened with this one so this was a good reminder that I need to actually read it.
Yeah Canadian residential schools have been getting a lot of the focus in the past few years, which makes sense with all those unmarked graves having been found a few years ago. I haven't read Night of the Living Rez; I remember being really excited about it before it came out, then I forgot to pick it up (story of my life), but that is good to know that it's US. Both the ebook and audio are available at my library right now with no hold, butI just had two holds I need to get to come in for my kindle (one being Jonny Appleseed, another Canadian indigenous author that I'm super excited to get to), so maybe I'll be responsible and not pick it up right now.

Okay adding on that I just learned that Joshua Whitehead & The protagonist of Jonny Appleseed both identify as Two-Spirit which I know is mentioned in Before We Were Trans so I accidentally picked the perfect fiction book to read alongside that nonfiction

Haha I totally get that, if a book is everywhere I just assume I’ll read it and years later I’m like…huh I didn’t read it? Oh yea! How is Firekeepers Daughter? I’ve been meaning to read that, she was one of our community Big Read authors two years back for the high school age group and came to the library and did a talk and was super cool but…I didn’t get to it (to be fair the main author was Madeline Miller for Circe and my program for it was coordinating a Greek gods murder mystery party soooo that took a lot of my time and energy and then I got to be a plant in the game playing my favorite: Persephone). I think she is from Michigan and I love that it’s like…magical Upper Peninsula (where my parents are from). She put out that sequel last year and I’ve heard almost nothing about it, I should check those.
Haha fair, I’m sure the librarian in charge of digital budgeting thanks you. Oooo I’ve heard so many good things about Johnny Appleseed. I hope you enjoy and I can’t wait to hear what you think!

Oh that is perfect! Ha, I love when books coincidentally align—it’s like taking your own college class or something haha

Haha I'm glad you relate. I think I saw it one too many times in the airport and my brain just flipped and was like "you've definitely read this, don't worry about it.
OH MY GOD THAT'S SO COOL. I don't blame you, that's incredibly fun and also Madeline Miller is awesome and ALSO ALSO Persephone is absolutely the best, you're right. Did you know Madeline Miller is writing a Persephone book?? Well she has long covid, which sucks for a variety of reasons besides the fact that she is not writing that much, so who knows when/if it'll be done BUT she's writing it. I am so absurdly excited about that book, Persephone always gets the short end of the stick in retellings and I have a feeling Miller's will be different.
I enjoyed Firekeeper's Daughter a lot! I don't read mystery books like ever, but I thought it was well done and I enjoyed it. It was a pretty quick read too. I don't think her second book is a sequel, but I haven't heard much about it either, but everything I have heard has been good. I just read the synopsis and it actually sounds more up my alley than her first book, maybe I'll pick it up next time I want to read a young adult mystery. Okay I just googled pics of the Upper Peninsula and damn it's so pretty. She's apart of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians if that location means anything to you.
I'm doing my part as a patron of the library! I'm really excited. I've gotta finish Beautiful World, Where Are You (adding another book into the mix because we aren't talking about enough right now lmao, I'm so sorry I just have to name everything), but I've been opening it on my kindle and looking at it then switching back to the book I'm actually reading. Look how responsible I am!! And right?? I just get to critically think about comparisons between books now in the comfort of my own home. Maybe I'll write myself a paper about them and grade it.

Ha I've done that so many times. I was CONVINCED I'd read The Plague by Camus until a friend of mine and I "reread" it after Covid and I was like.,..hmm okay I don't think I read this haha.
I hope her Persephone book is soon! I feel like there's been so many retellings of her lately and all I want is the Miller one. Agreed, I feel like nobody centers her very well. Like, I was pretty into Lore Olympus for awhile (until it just never went anywhere how does that series manage to have no progress and so many episodes haha) but even there its just, not the Persephone we deserve haha. Like I want the Persephone that turns Minthe into a mint plant out of annoyance haha. I do love Ani Defranco as her for Hadestown though. That is horrible about her getting Long covid. She was supposed to come to speak here and canceled a few days before because she came down with Covid and now I'm having this sad moment realizing that was the moment she probably got long covid :( Hope she is recovering.
Ahh that makes sense, I wonder if it is set in the same world at least? Ooo yea, the UP is really pretty. Lots of wilderness. Theres this great waterfall in Marquette that you can dive off of, one is like 10 feet and the other 40something (and its called Dead River Falls which rules haha). Oooo okay yep, definitely been through Sault Ste Marie many times!
Hha good work, what do you think of Beautiful World so far? I feel like that is the most polarizing of her books though I kind of dug it. Theres a few part though where I was like....Rooney, wtf?


oh lucky you ! thank you for sharing this story

Oh that is amazing! I bet he is a great public speaker. WOW I love that haha, especially that he was looking up playlists for his own book. I mean, I totally would, thats awesome haha.

Yes!! And she was literally referred to as "dreaded Persephone" and people were terrified of her?? I feel like a lot of newer media just infantilizes her and it's just a bummer. I love the Hadestown depiction too and have also heard that the video game "Hades" has a really good depiction of her too, which I will check out eventually. Yeah the covid is a huge bummer, I cannot imagine how hard it is to live with long covid - I've been checking her socials every now and then and she's still having a ton of problems.
I'm 60% through and feel pretty 50/50 on Beautiful World. There are a lot of really poignant moments and parts where I'm like "wow that was great", but I'm still trying to figure out how much of my feelings are the feelings that Rooney is trying to illicit and parts that I'm just like "yeah that was unnecessary...". I think Eileen & what's his face's (I don't know either of the men's names, sorry) story is a bit more compelling (I am getting a bit sick of them rn though so I think that might be shifting) and have a really hard time reading in Alice's pov, but I think that's just because Alice and that guy are more insufferable to me, so I still respect it? Idk I think I like it, but also it's one of those where I can't say I'm enjoying it? But also I don't think I'm supposed to enjoy it? My only real gripe as of now is that the letters have no distinct voice and it irks me sooo much more than it should. I can't tell how much of those thoughts are hers versus the characters' either which is why I'm like... I don't know if parts of the letters feel a bit shallow and disingenuous because of Rooney or because that's how she's portraying how these girls who really only have to think about most of these issues in a theoretical sense view them? So it's like... I hate how shallow the letters are too, but is that the point? I don't know, it's hard because there's no voice differentiation so it makes me feel like Rooney is using the letters to get on her soapbox.

YEA I want Persephone with teeth and palpable sadness haha only Miller can pull that off. Oooo that video game does sound awesome though.
But for real, why are the letters so bland and shallow? And she'll do some like...here's a social criticism but its really surface stuff? Emails were so important in Conversations so it felt like she was trying to recreate that but it just doesn't work beyond being the excuse to link the characters? And at least in emails the lack of voice was sort of fitting and more indicative of the format?
Also I get the ideas behind it but it just came across as funny to me when they have that whole philosophical argument about not judging people or kink shaming over her catching him looking at torture porn (as stand in for Rooney pushing back on criticisms against her in a way?). It felt weirdly personal? They are totally insufferable haha though I also do think thats part of the point. Is it me or does it feel like it could have used an editor? Like her publisher said nah she's established enough don't trim it? It just didn't have the same tightness of story and themes the other two did. But agreed, it feels very soapbox-y and a not-that-subtle response to her own critics. Which is cool, I'm rooting for her, but of her three books I'd rank it third.

I feel like it might've been better for me to have more Rooney lore before starting Beautiful World. I was gonna do Conversations first, but I forgot I owned it (and also I figured I'd like this one a little less and wanted to end on a high note). The torture porn is specifically what I'm talking about with the Rooney lore because I read that yesterday and was thinking about how I kind of got the point but that's a really strange thing to continually justify because having that just there is a bit of a red flag for me and would lend to other questions, so I was thinking about how it felt significantly more nuanced than this email is making it out to be.
Hmmm, I kind of disagree with the email format lending to one voice, especially since it's between people that do write. Like, even we have distinct voices while we're writing messages to each other and I'd assume that that would be consistent even if we wrote pages of stuff. We'd both keep some of our colloquial language especially since it's writing between friends, not professionally? Last night I did read the intro of my version of Emma and Motion brought up how Austen used shifting points of view in Emma so sometimes even though it felt like Emma's pov it was actual Austen coming out and speaking at random times, making it a bit of a hard read at times. I wonder if Rooney is doing something similar here?
As you may have noticed, I'm really stuck on this email thing. I think it's just because those short email chapters give me a headache and I keep forgetting who is writing them halfway through the chapters lol.
She probably could've trimmed it down a bit, but I think we're all supposed to be suffering a bit through this. Or maybe I'm just suffering and I like Rooney so I'm just thinking that she obviously wants me to suffer. So I don't know where I stand on the editing aspect, I'll get back to you on that when I finish the book. I also feel like I'm being harsh because I've read some amazing new absolute favorite litfics recently with not-so-perfect characters and this one feels more shallow than them, but also the point is that we don't know anyone's actual thoughts which I really like and think is done pretty well, but also almost dehumanizes them? I don't know I feel like with Sunburn, Oranges, and Interesting Facts About Space everything was so much more intimate/very much about the emotions of the main character and this is a mini-shock to my system.

YEA and then Alice is like aww he’s so smart and right like girl what!? Haha it’s such an odd thing to be like yes THIS is the topic I’ll make this point about, but to be honest I think that guy was a walking red flag at so many points I almost kind of didn’t buy their connection. And the whole don’t judge me because I’m working class bit feels odd when her characterization of him is torture porn and looking for other hookups while on a date (and soooort of leaning into an uncool stereotype of bisexual people just always wanting to have sex with anyone?)
Ah yea true that is a good point, though I guess in that one they never really write full emails just like one word to one line responses so personality doesn’t come through as much. But agreed, and it’s sort of disappointing in Beautiful World because you know she actually can do voice well she just…doesn’t at all in the letters. And for real, I had to check who was writing them at certain points. I don’t want to spoil anything but Alice has a character arc in the letters I found pretty eye rolling.
That is a good point comparing/contrasting it with Emma though. I could see that being what she’s getting at especially since so much of Alice seems like a bit of a Rooney mouthpiece? Like but in a way she can still distance herself and be like just because she’s a writer too doesn’t make her opinions on books mine? But still so flat? Rooney does unlikable characters well usually this one just felt bland I thought (I still 4 starred it so like, I did like it still haha). Also what’s up with like paragraph long description of what phone apps look like haha. She gets so detailed about Google maps. I’ll be curious to hear what you think at the end though!
Oooo okay I keep meaning to pick up Interesting Facts About Space based on your review so now I really need to! I can see how this would be a shock after that! I just listened to that Sunburn interview and I love the part about how she sort of wrote the story around a way to give her an excuse to write with such intense language. Good choice haha

Literally every time Alice started talking positively about that man I was like... is there a different man hidden somewhere? I just feel so icky reading about the two of them. And am starting to feel weird about the other couple, but man I hate Felix(?). I'm guessing he's hot and this would all make sense if I saw him I don't know. That's the only way I'm justifying anything from any of these people at this point. Okay I have a lot of thoughts about his entire characterization and I don't love it. I didn't even catch the bi stereotype, but I can see it. I think I was too caught up in having had to interact with that kind of (usually straight) guy so often in college that my brain skipped over the bi part even though I comprehended that he likes anyone, which is insane because you're right that it's kind of leaning into that. I kind of feel weird about his whole character. Like really weird about it now that I'm thinking about it now. I was trying to type out why but my thoughts are too convoluted about it right now, I'll hopefully sort that out by the time I finish. I was just starting to like Alice so it makes sense she's about to have an eye roll-y arc.
Okay bland is the perfect word! It's like unlikeable characters with not a bunch of depth. I am still enjoying it too, it's probably going to be 3 or 3.5 stars depending on the last 30%. HA okay so does go into a lot of detail about Google maps. Maybe it's like the modern day equivalent of going on a rant the gothic architecture or the sewer systems.
I wrote my review two days ago so I'm not judging you for not having picked it up yet, but once we get to a week... you better watch out. But in all seriousness, I love that book so much. I think you'd like it too - Emily Austin is just so good at evoking such strong emotions about such mundane things. Ooh yes glad you got around to the interview! Right? I can't wait to see what she does next.

Thats gotta be it right, he's just super hot? Same with Simon, have you got into any of the weird like...well, you'll know haha. It comes up too many times. Actually in retrospect Eileen's sister might be the best judge of character in the book haha.
I just laughed so hard about the sewer system comparison. YES haha okay suddenly I'm into it.
And oooo okay now I'm going to find it. And pick it up. I say as I keep not buying more books because I own a book I REALLLY want to be reading I just haven't started yet and have my copy of the new Garcia Marquez book waiting for me at the bookstore today (which I think he specifically did NOT want published? I'm here for the drama).
But yea I loved that interview. And just to assume her voice is Lucy's. I want to reread it as an audiobook. Did you catch this:
youtube [dot] com/watch?v=EJBUYjISJ_U

Okay I liked Simon the most during the first half of this book or so and now I'm just like... huh this is teetering on really really weird. Is Rooney trying to say something along the lines of "everyone sucks, so we can't judge" and using that kinda stuff as a stand in for the things she wants to actually talk about? Because that's kind of what it feels like, but like... we should very much be judging that? And Felix's stuff? I'm very much like woah woah woah let's not get philosophical about the very weird behaviors of these men, let's look deeper into how maybe that behavior is very... gross. I do get that point with the women because they suck but in a different (less predatory) way.
Haha yeah I feel you on that. I accidentally slipped up on my book buying ban, but I think for the rest of the year (or maybe just spring) I'm going to go back to my buying ban for everything except anticipated new releases. I need to read my books. There are so many books and so little time. Ooooh that's some tea. I just read a few articles about it and it seems to be he never finished it/got it to be how he wanted because of his dementia. I hadn't seen it, but just watched it! She spoke really well about Ireland and I kind of love that I had googled a lot of stuff she talked about while I was reading her book because her work made me curious?

For real, it’s all like pretty toxic and predatory stuff. There’s an element in Conversations where, when I read it, I assumed it was intended to be taken as fairly problematic and possibly abusive but when she brings up something similar in this one it felt like Rooney being like “no actually I’m into that!� Soooo who knows haha.
Ha Yea in the intro the family is like “maybe he only didn’t like it because his dementia *shrug*� which just sounds like a euphemism for “so we wanted the money� haha. And I love gossip and drama sooo I’m in.
Yea the whole book made me really want to go back to Ireland. I’m about to make it my St Patrick’s Day recommendation at the bookstore haha but I had not realized Ireland was the first for marriage legalization as a popular vote. That’s really cool, especially since it won by a LOT.