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bookshelves: mind-numbingly-boring, never-gonna-finish, wrist-slashingly-depressing, disappointing, read-in-2010
Jul 14, 2009
bookshelves: mind-numbingly-boring, never-gonna-finish, wrist-slashingly-depressing, disappointing, read-in-2010
Reading "Stoner" gave me another one of those parallel universe experiences. In the goodreads universe, where everyone else lives, this is apparently a much loved and lauded book. Heck, those good folks at the New York Review of Books tell us it's a classic. And has this to say about the main protagonist:
William Stoner emerges from it not only as an archetypal American, but as an unlikely existential hero, standing, like a figure in a painting by Edward Hopper, in stark relief against an unforgiving world
I'm sorry, but that's just a crock, even allowing for reviewer hyperbole. The very best that you could manage to say about Stoner is that he's a wraithlike nebbish who manages to glide through this dismal story without leaving an impression on anyone, least of all the reader. People seem to admire John Edward Williams's writing. The thing that baffled me is how any author can use so many words to write about a character and end up describing someone who is utterly devoid of a single distinguishing trait, or even a semblance of a personality.
Stoner is a stick figure who, over the course of the book, gets to interact with other stick figures (the resentful wife, the condescending academic colleagues, the college friend with a lust for life who gets mowed down before his prime in the Great War, etc etc ad bloody nauseam) as they act out standard plot #24*. Now I know the number of plots is finite, so it might seem unjust to fault an author for serving up the same story yet again. Fair enough. But it's considered good sport to mess with the template a little bit, to inject one's own authorial "spark", to add *something* to make the story rise above the generic template. Maybe you take the A.J. Cronin slant and stir in a little rage against the system. Or you might just add a big ladleful of chicken soup for the soul and give the story a Mr Chips vibe. What you can't do, and hope to keep the reader's interest and sympathy, is just trot out the bare-bones generic version of the tale, with no embellishment**. But this is exactly what Williams has done here. What's the point?
I wasn't looking for much. Hell, I'd have settled for the odd chunk of snappy dialog. A sense of humor. Anything at all, really. But even the most basic dialog seems to exceed Williams's capacity, and decent characterization eludes him completely.
Anyway, the bottom line is that, in my universe, this book was bleak, predictable, excruciatingly dull. Like one of those dreadful Thomas Hardy books where everyone is miserable all the time, but without the local color. One star, maximum. Though it isn't quite dreadful enough to earn a slot on the "intellectual con artist at work" shelf.
(Story #24: Intelligent {farmboy/kid from slums/juvenile delinquent/will be played by Matt Damon in the movie} transcends hardscrabble background to be first in the family to attend college. Lurches into an unfulfilling marriage that ends up making everyone miserable, teaches college, is left wondering if that's all there is. Alienation everywhere you look.)
**:Several authors have written intelligently within the framework of the "academic novel" (Francine Prose, Jane Smiley, James Hynes, Kingsley Amis, among others), even managing to be funny. But those are authors with, you know, discernible intelligence, an affliction which John Edward Williams has apparently been spared.
I just read David K's excellent review and realize that I am a hero, albeit a "Master and Margarita"-loving hero. So be it.
William Stoner emerges from it not only as an archetypal American, but as an unlikely existential hero, standing, like a figure in a painting by Edward Hopper, in stark relief against an unforgiving world
I'm sorry, but that's just a crock, even allowing for reviewer hyperbole. The very best that you could manage to say about Stoner is that he's a wraithlike nebbish who manages to glide through this dismal story without leaving an impression on anyone, least of all the reader. People seem to admire John Edward Williams's writing. The thing that baffled me is how any author can use so many words to write about a character and end up describing someone who is utterly devoid of a single distinguishing trait, or even a semblance of a personality.
Stoner is a stick figure who, over the course of the book, gets to interact with other stick figures (the resentful wife, the condescending academic colleagues, the college friend with a lust for life who gets mowed down before his prime in the Great War, etc etc ad bloody nauseam) as they act out standard plot #24*. Now I know the number of plots is finite, so it might seem unjust to fault an author for serving up the same story yet again. Fair enough. But it's considered good sport to mess with the template a little bit, to inject one's own authorial "spark", to add *something* to make the story rise above the generic template. Maybe you take the A.J. Cronin slant and stir in a little rage against the system. Or you might just add a big ladleful of chicken soup for the soul and give the story a Mr Chips vibe. What you can't do, and hope to keep the reader's interest and sympathy, is just trot out the bare-bones generic version of the tale, with no embellishment**. But this is exactly what Williams has done here. What's the point?
I wasn't looking for much. Hell, I'd have settled for the odd chunk of snappy dialog. A sense of humor. Anything at all, really. But even the most basic dialog seems to exceed Williams's capacity, and decent characterization eludes him completely.
Anyway, the bottom line is that, in my universe, this book was bleak, predictable, excruciatingly dull. Like one of those dreadful Thomas Hardy books where everyone is miserable all the time, but without the local color. One star, maximum. Though it isn't quite dreadful enough to earn a slot on the "intellectual con artist at work" shelf.
(Story #24: Intelligent {farmboy/kid from slums/juvenile delinquent/will be played by Matt Damon in the movie} transcends hardscrabble background to be first in the family to attend college. Lurches into an unfulfilling marriage that ends up making everyone miserable, teaches college, is left wondering if that's all there is. Alienation everywhere you look.)
**:Several authors have written intelligently within the framework of the "academic novel" (Francine Prose, Jane Smiley, James Hynes, Kingsley Amis, among others), even managing to be funny. But those are authors with, you know, discernible intelligence, an affliction which John Edward Williams has apparently been spared.
I just read David K's excellent review and realize that I am a hero, albeit a "Master and Margarita"-loving hero. So be it.
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If you had taken the time to read my review carefully, you would have seen that I never said the people who liked the book are unintelligent, just that I thought the author wasn't particularly smart. Not quite the same thing, is it?
A question for you: if you "dont(sic) need to read other reviews", why do you bother to frequent a site like Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ? Maybe you have confused it with Amazon. Maybe, unfortunately, you are right.

At the end of your first paragraph you wrote 'you know who you are', meaning us thousands of thicko's I presume.
Another quote 'whilst only eleven people were courageous enough to call a spade a spade'
On 12 July 2010: 'Yes! another person is intelligent enough to understand just how bad this novel is!'
I have been interested enough to read many of your reviews and have found them to be, on the whole, clever, witty and entertaining. It seems to be only the Stoner review you have had an intellectual melt down on, and in my humble opinion, over analysed. It's just a book for God's sake.
I must add, I am also one of those romance readers (albeit historical) amongst other genre, '("REAL" meaning not romance, which is stupid shit written by machines and doesn't count)'. Many of those 'machines' would take great exception to their work bring described thus, there are bad ones but also exceptionally good ones. Even if I hated a book, I would never annihilate someone's work, be critical by all means but never unkind. I talk to a number of these ''machines' and a harsh, personal review tears some of them to shreds.



You're so helpful! Which John le Carre would you recommend?



This kind of drive-by condescension tells us a lot about Candace, but adds little to the discussion at hand.
I hope Candace has the grace to be ashamed of her lapse into pettiness.







Looking upon this thread so much later in time, I am once again struck by the assault on the poster instead of the post. Which is an opinion and one which was done with well regarded and critical intelligence. Both in manner and in comparisons or differences.
When you see that time and time again here, I wonder what reading has taught? Arrogance, condescension and judgmental levels of assumption upon difference of emotional reaction? Please people, do not attack the poster for their opinion. It does reflect upon YOU.
This Stoner is one of three of my all time disagreements with the over-flow to a 5 star majority opinion. Miserable. I only gave it 3 stars for the writing/prose ability.

I will persist because of the 5* reviews, the many recommendations from friends and the danger of being a philistine.

'wraithlike and nebbish'
I have to disagree! I understand why you say it, yet Stoner's character is full of contrasts, let me continue:
In the story Stoner takes a stand by refusing to let Walker pass his course. Stoner is adamant about this and is intelligent and practical in the way he exposes Walker's shortcomings in the oral examination: "No, you will answer MY question" (as opposed to receiving the slow ball questions and proddings via Lomax). This isn't wraithlike or nebbish; Stoner doesn't just roll over. But then he doesn't fight the resulting fallout: it takes Stoner years until he does anything about Lomax's spiteful and unreasonable damage to Stoner's teaching schedule. You could say Stoner out-maneuvers Lomax with an intelligent play, but I think Stoner starts teaching advanced material to his freshman English class on a spontaneous whim and because he has a passion for the teaching material, he wasn't enacting a clever and calculating scheme.

One professor changed Stoner's life by changing his outlook on life through literature and with it, his major from Agriculture to English. In so doing, as an old song has it, literature became Stoner's life if not his livelihood, which remained marginal & lonely, except when he was accepted & even admired by one or more of his own students. This is a novel not to be dismissed even if not to be thoroughly enjoyed by every reader. Bill
*P.S. Curiously, you have rated the novel both with a single star & 5 stars, at top just prior to your review.
