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Happily Never After by Lynn Painter
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it was ok

We are gathered here today for the union of Lynn Painter’s Happily Never After and the reviews of goodreaders but before we begin there is something I need to say.
I object.
Now before anyone starts throwing hands, I do have to say I love me some love and I enjoy some fluffy adorableness and Painter is great at these elements. Her YA books like Better Than the Movies or The Do-Over are total delights. They felt genuine within their own context, which Happily Never After never manages to achieve. Admittedly, Painter comes swinging with a clever and cute premise of wedding objectors who are rescuing people from engagements they can’t get out of without further ruining their lives and it was off to a strong start. Unfortunately, the story never quite finds a groove and glides along feeling rather thinly built without adequate narrative tension to have much to grip onto, reading like it went direct from the draft folder to the publisher and print to fulfill contract duties and deadlines.

And yes, as always I should have just listened to adira (you can read her incredible review here) but you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes and that prize is a disappointing read. But I do not object alone so meet the ŷ Objectors (and read adira’s review!)

But first, a positive: I do like how Painter tends to pair people where their names form a name familiar to romance fans (Better than the Movies adds up to Elizabeth Bennet, The Do-Over adds up to Nick Hornby) here she would have been Sophie Lauren if Max didn’t object to their wedding, which makes for a fun joke that she would have to hear jokes about it not quite being Sophia Loren. A sign the marriage was a bad idea. Clever, Painter, I like it. Anyways�

I don’t really see how people can enjoy “hate reading,� which I promise this wasn’t, because I just don’t enjoy being disappointed by a book. This was a shame because I initially really enjoyed these characters before character development got shoved aside for sex scenes and we see that tension and titillation aren’t as interchangeable as one would hope with the latter not amounting to much without enough of the former in the narrative. Painter introduces us to Max and says he �looked like Henry Cavill’s stunt double or something, but with darker hair and more intense eyes� and I said OH I AM LISTENING NOW but the initially charming Max eventually descends into being the flag bearer for the Red Flag Parade. But I’m glad he likes Sophie because she is pretty charming and the whole beginning where they rant about being anti-love is pretty great. Painter is pretty funny, and I will say the banter and humor worked well for me, plus I can’t help but giggle at lines like this:
but when I saw the bride pull her arm back and launch that snack cake off the balcony like a professional quarterback, I decided to stick around for another minute.

I liked Sophie but, get this all, shes not like other girls because shes…into her car and job and wears flannel shirts well (Max should maybe check out Michigan if that’s his thing). I did enjoy her being an objector at weddings which is a nice role-reversal from how its typically depicted as a man or Shrek running in yelling ‘I object,� but that entire plotline more or less vanishes as a fake dating plot comes racing into the narrative wearing a more dramatic white dress and steals the entire show.

Which is the issue here. Things just sort of wander around and banter with each other but nothing has much drive and even Max’s Ex-girlfriend plot is sort of hurriedly pushed through the narrative without there being much tension in the story. There’s so many different tropes and parts that, given the proper attention, could have made a sweet treat of a read but instead came all mashed together like when a child “helps� you bake. The rationalities for things were just too silly at times as well and none of the side characters are included enough to really pull much weight. Which makes the fake dating part feel rather flimsy and tacked on, with the reasoning being that Max wants his parents to think he is settled down so they will retire and leave him the company which is…just sort of shitty? Can Max not take care of himself and needs a woman to do it, is that the implication? Not awesome.

The wedding objections were for people in need and Painter really wants you to know its not some shitty anti-love statement but the scenarios she constructs are kind of eye-rolling. Sophie not wanting to call off her wedding because her fiance’s dad is her dad’s boss and he’s “just a mean guy� was like…okay whatever, BUT the next wedding is so ham-fisted and weird where the poor kindergarten teacher groom who fosters pets with disabilities sees texts that his super redneck fiance mocks him as her sexting kink in her affairs and its just…turned cartoonish. What makes Paiters’s YAs work is there tends to be a heavier, more serious narrative subplot that gives enough weight to hold the sweetness from floating off into oblivion but that was lacking here. And the Objecting could have easily been used to make a statement on why it is hard for women to leave abusive relationships because of the danger in puts them in, or something else since i guess thats a bit heavy for a romcom, but it all just fell a bit flat and lacked any friction.

Nothing felt genuine. I did love the surprise twist that Sophie’s roomates were bickering senior citizens so she could afford the apartment her ex-fiance lived in before she moved in. But also, why could he afford it on his own but she can’t when she’s his literal boss? Is this a statement on the gender pay gap? The narrative pushed each other out of the way, nothing really flowed and everyone felt a little cartoonishly immature. Her YAs work because she does teenagers well, but her adult novels just feel like teenagers with a lot of money and sex scenes.

I’m sure a lot of people will enjoy this one, and Happily Never After is still pretty cute maybe I just have a bad attitude but I’m fine with my spite and my tears, and my beers and my candles. It just never quite came together for me and while I’m not opposed to sex scenes this one seemed like it tried to use friction in the sheets to compensate from the utter lack of friction in the plot and it just didn't work. But by all means, still give this a shot, the banter is cute, it is lighthearted fun and I’ll probably still read more Lynn Painter in the future.

2.5/5
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Reading Progress

March 19, 2024 – Started Reading
March 19, 2024 – Shelved
March 19, 2024 –
page 170
55.92% "So this is cute but I might object"
March 19, 2024 –
page 227
74.67% "I think Painter is better geared towards YA?"
March 23, 2024 – Finished Reading

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adira the book objectors objected to this book.


adira YESS


message 3: by emma � (new)

emma ⚘ you object, i object, WE OBJECT!!


s.penkevich adira wrote: "YESS"

Hold up i might shamelessly photoshop the cover to make this review Hahah


s.penkevich emma � wrote: "you object, i object, WE OBJECT!!"

Objections all around!


Catherine (alternativelytitledbooks) - in a book slump :( Oh no! Sad to hear but welcome to the objectors bench…looking forward to your thoughts S!


message 7: by Trye (new) - added it

Trye Bn Gr8t I've noticed her YA books are better than her adult romances.


s.penkevich Catherine wrote: "Oh no! Sad to hear but welcome to the objectors bench…looking forward to your thoughts S!"

It’s…just kind of a thin book that feels like a draft right?


s.penkevich Trye wrote: "I've noticed her YA books are better than her adult romances."

Yeaaaaa i really enjoyed her YA, this one just felt like a good premise she didn’t know what to do with and had to turn in a draft to meet deadlines


message 10: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira omg, s..YOU MUST. you have to. it's a requirement now because that would be ~stunning~


message 11: by s.penkevich (last edited Mar 23, 2024 05:48PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

s.penkevich adira wrote: "omg, s..YOU MUST. you have to. it's a requirement now because that would be ~stunning~"




message 12: by s.penkevich (last edited Mar 23, 2024 05:58PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

s.penkevich rachael (hiatus) wrote: "S HELP THIS PICTURE HAD ME DOUBLED OVER WHEEZING"

Hahaha I’m so glad. I have spent the last few days putting my face on book covers for a bookstore social media post and it is WAY too much fun hahah



message 13: by Emma Griffioen (new)

Emma Griffioen Need your thoughts on this after seeing Adira's review!


message 14: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @s. HOLY SHIT s. that picture is breathtaking. and the emily henry one! editors wish they had ur photoshop skills, steven.


message 15: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira and i must appreciate the time that must've took, simply put: wow.


message 16: by Emma Griffioen (new)

Emma Griffioen s.penkevich wrote: "rachael (hiatus) wrote: "S HELP THIS PICTURE HAD ME DOUBLED OVER WHEEZING"

Hahaha I’m so glad. I have spent the last few days putting my face on book covers for a bookstore social media post and i..."


OMG S I love this hahaha


message 17: by Emma Griffioen (new)

Emma Griffioen s.penkevich wrote: "adira wrote: "omg, s..YOU MUST. you have to. it's a requirement now because that would be ~stunning~"

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STOP this is even better I am laughing so hard rn


s.penkevich Emma Griffioen wrote: "Need your thoughts on this after seeing Adira's review!"

Haha I’ll get them up tonight! And maybe find an excuse to post about the RF Kuang event I just got back from—she is SO cool!


s.penkevich adira wrote: "@s. HOLY SHIT s. that picture is breathtaking. and the emily henry one! editors wish they had ur photoshop skills, steven."

The objectors must object! I felt a little bad because in the back she thanks her book cover because she loves it so much hahaha


message 20: by Emma Griffioen (new)

Emma Griffioen s.penkevich wrote: "Emma Griffioen wrote: "Need your thoughts on this after seeing Adira's review!"

Haha I’ll get them up tonight! And maybe find an excuse to post about the RF Kuang event I just got back from—she is..."


An RF Kuang event?! I must hear all of the details!!! That is such a fun Saturday night event


message 21: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @s. oh no 😭😭 i feel terrible, but she's inflicted so much pain on me..i kinda don't. (pls think of me as a kind, kind soul)


message 22: by Angela (new)

Angela Self-inflicted! 😂


message 23: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @angela no, no, this was definitely lynn's fault.


message 24: by s.penkevich (last edited Mar 23, 2024 06:20PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

s.penkevich adira wrote: "@s. oh no 😭😭 i feel terrible, but she's inflicted so much pain on me..i kinda don't. (pls think of me as a kind, kind soul)"

Haha fair. I’ll still probably read more though too, I actually quite enjoyed her YA ones this just…seemed like maybe it had to meet a short deadline? The whole fake dating part was weird though like the objecting plot totally vanishes for awhile since they…don’t actually need money?
Also why could her ex fiancé afford the apartment but she couldn’t when she was technically his boss? Is it a gender pay gap statement or?


message 25: by s.penkevich (last edited Mar 23, 2024 06:24PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

s.penkevich Emma Griffioen wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Emma Griffioen wrote: "Need your thoughts on this after seeing Adira's review!"

Haha I’ll get them up tonight! And maybe find an excuse to post about the RF Kuang event I just ..."


She was amazing! She gave a presentation on jealousy in fiction and talked a bunch about Sally Rooney’s Beautiful World and Elena Ferrante’s books and I was like YAY, then used a Q&A question to talk about the importance of unions and later told everyone to read Murderbot so I’m basically in love with her now haha


message 26: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira i guess we're both hypocrites, but at least we're self-aware! i totally agree with u on the draft thing, i included it in my review about how the whole book felt unfinished. and s. u are absolutely correct. then entire plot DOES vanish as soon as they decide to have sex (which no one asked for)...although, i do get that because they got SO MUCH money for speaking a few condolences at a wedding. about the stuart thing, that made no sense to me too. maybe he works a 2nd job..or they were paying for the whole thing together as 2 people and that's why it was too expensive.


s.penkevich adira wrote: "i guess we're both hypocrites, but at least we're self-aware! i totally agree with u on the draft thing, i included it in my review about how the whole book felt unfinished. and s. u are absolutely..."

Self awareness is the first step! Just read your review and it is perfect! Ah true, though did he have it before? I guess he was supposed to be a rich kid though. And YEA they get paid crazy amounts of money! I was thinking about that the other day after we were talking about this one how romcoms tend to always be fairly financially secure people because it allows them to be able to just, push their entire life aside to focus solely on a romance plot? Can we get a romcom of people without rich parent that have to like…show up late to a date because they are working a double to afford gas?


message 28: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @s. thank you so much! we're slowly approaching common sense territory when we abandon lynn painter lol. i think stuart and sophie are just rich..like when sophie started complaining about how she wasn't the vp yet..i- it felt so first world, if you know what i mean. i was talking about this with my friends !!- they must be very financially secure adults in order to, like, not include work in their thoughts at all. i would TOTALLY pay for that type of rom-com, two broke students or something. it would make it more down-to-earth, which is one of the biggest problems in lynn's books.


s.penkevich adira wrote: "@s. thank you so much! we're slowly approaching common sense territory when we abandon lynn painter lol. i think stuart and sophie are just rich..like when sophie started complaining about how she ..."

Haha I think I’ll get there but only after the BTTM sequel�
YEA and isn’t she like 27? There’s a lot of like “I swear we aren’t rich� while also totally presenting as rich haha though admittedly her having the two elderly roommates was sort of charming. I didn’t expect that twist when Max showed up.
For real though. That was a hang up I had with Happy Place too, the plot only worked because they were characters that never had a real problem and even making her be job focused felt awkward? Buf I also get that it’s meant to be fluff too it’s just sort of funny how it comes across.


message 30: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @s. oh that'll be a fun hate read!
all her adult novels have adults in their late 20s or early 30s. even in mr. wrong number, olivia's supposed to be poor but wears "eat the rich" boxer shorts. nobody is poor if they wear those. the elderly roommates were cute! best part of this book.
happy place isn't my fave emhen book, i think book lovers takes the cake but not that one. sometimes i feel like i shouldn't read so deep into fluff, but fluff is only enjoyable if it's mostly genuine.


message 31: by Luh (new)

Luh Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character was ‘not like other girls� and was always mean to every female character in her monologues and the main guy was just you average ‘he is so hot and rich. Yes, he has like 100 red flags but had you seen his blue eyes and bulging biceps?�.


s.penkevich adira wrote: "@s. oh that'll be a fun hate read!
all her adult novels have adults in their late 20s or early 30s. even in mr. wrong number, olivia's supposed to be poor but wears "eat the rich" boxer shorts. nob..."


I can't wait. I shamelessly pre-ordered it (and two for the bookstore, the owner has been amused at my sudden Lynn Painter obsession).
Book Lovers was definitely my favorite as well, and i think you hit it right on--it has to feel genuine. I think even with like cutesy movies its the same, I can take big leaps of faith as long as it feels consistent and genuine. This one...feels like it never knew what it wanted to be and shifts in tone a lot. I'll hopefully get the review up soon, I keep trying to work on it but...lets just say it has been A DAY at the library


message 33: by adira (new) - rated it 1 star

adira @s. lol i don't have that motivation! but i will probably read it once it comes out..although what's the point.
oh, that's great! yes, the genuinity part applies to all types of media. i think..tbh don't kill me..i've watched rom-coms that do it better than books. i don't know why but i just love the movies better! happily never after felt like a bad birthday cake where everybody tried to incorporate all the flavors, and it turned out to be a goopy mess. we'll be waiting for that review! although i have had my fair share of library drama as well as a person who prefers them to bookstores, and there was an odd number of athletic arguments that would happen in the children's sections...


s.penkevich Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character was ‘not like other girls� and was always me..."

Oh no haha. Good to know. I've really enjoyed the two YA books but yea....I feel like the adult ones aren't much different except just inserting sex scenes and it doesn't come off as genuinely as the YAs? HAHA exact same here. She's not like other girls (because she...wears flannel shirts and looks good in them????) and I have to say I liked the guy at first but yea once she tries to give him a personality it was like Flag Festival in Red Flagville.


s.penkevich adira wrote: "@s. lol i don't have that motivation! but i will probably read it once it comes out..although what's the point.
oh, that's great! yes, the genuinity part applies to all types of media. i think..tbh..."


SAME. I do love a good romcom movie. I will make everyone watch About Time at least once. Okay which is your favorite?
Hahaha that is the perfect metaphor, all the flavors gooping all over the place. Which, i guess is not that different than the person I just had to help who was passed out in the restrooom. Oh sunday shifts...
Hahaha, were the arguments between kids or the parents or the randos that you think...why are you here?


message 36: by Luh (new)

Luh s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character was ‘not like other girls� and w..."

s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character was ‘not like other girls� and w..."

I can imagine that with her YA stuff, the focus has to be more on the character and building the relationship. Like the typical girl meets the boy, they start on a bad foot then become friends then eventually after a lot of 'we're just friends/ he's not the one for me/ he doesn't see me like that' they realize they love each other and the end. haha. Also, it tends to have more of a family/ friends focus because of the age of the characters. It feels like Adult romcoms books nowadays revolve around how fast they can jump to the spica scenes, corky female characters, male characters that are almost always walking red flags, and a very annoying 3rd act conflict that never feels necessary!


s.penkevich Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character was ‘not lik..."

Oh yea, thats well said. That was exactly the issue here, no tension beyond sexual tension that immediately turned into a bunch of sex scenes with the real plot kind of vanishing..it just never came together.
BUT
I did start listening to My Husband and thank you for that recommendation because it is so good. I'm kind of obsessed haha, but so is she. Theres...something dark brewing under it all, right? I love how much its about language and translation and I just finished The Lover by Duras so I was thrilled how much it comes up in the beginning.


message 38: by Luh (new)

Luh s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad! The main character ..."

Completely agree. I normally don't say it but Romcom movies are better than books.
Oh, I'm so glad you're enjoying it. haha yes!! She's obsessed, we're obsessed, everyone is obsessed!! haha. Yes. The Story just gets crazier and crazier than you read the Epilogue and omg, it got me schoked!! I'll not say anything else because you need to experience it. I was impressed with how smart it is! I'm excited to see your opinion on it!


message 39: by PB (new) - rated it 4 stars

PB Perfectly worded as always! i gave it a 4 stars but the meat of the matter is, I agree with all that you said!


message 40: by Luh (new)

Luh True. I was curious about the Lover. Do you think I should read it?


message 41: by s.penkevich (last edited Mar 25, 2024 01:10PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

s.penkevich Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it was sooo bad!..."

Agreed, romcoms just work better on film. alas.
But YEA obsessions for everyone! I just read the part where shes super pissed about her husband's choices of fruit for her and the friend's wife and is like super overanalyzing everything like its a novel--I LOVE that sort of thing in a book. Its just slowly getting more and more unhinged haha. Okay good because I can't wait. The writing (and translation) is so good too, it does a really good job of portraying the idea that shes trying to have a calm exterior even to the reader while completely overcome by anxiety on the inside.

Ooo, I really enjoyed The Lover. I think its one people love or hate honestly, its really chaotic and no linear plot but her observations are outstanding and the writing is great. Though I think it was more popular over the scandalous sex aspect, but aside from that its a pretty sharp and bitter social critique. It has made me want to read more of her for sure.


s.penkevich PB wrote: "Perfectly worded as always! i gave it a 4 stars but the meat of the matter is, I agree with all that you said!"

Thank you! I kiiiiiinda feel bad rating as low (might bump to 3 I mean, it did what it set out to do I suppose if the goal was lighthearted and spicy) but it just felt so flimsy compared to how well done her YAs are and able to be so almost unbearably cute but still work?


message 43: by Luh (new)

Luh s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the name haha) and it w..."

That part is so funny. how dare he choose clementine (boring) for me and a Pineapple (exotic) for her. So heartless haha. Me too. I had so much fun listening to it. That's just the beginning. It gets a lot more unhinged. The way she thinks and obsesses over things is soo entertaining but completely crazy. Yes. It does also a great job of addressing issues, especially related to women and what's expected of women, in a not-so-serious or obvious way. Which I really loved!

Now I'm intrigued. I'll check it out for sure. It's also perfect because I've been wanting to read more classics written by women! I don't mind non linear plots as long as I feel like it's done well. I'm excited to read it!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Regarding hate reading - I'm just too old to want to do that now when there are so many good books waiting for me!


message 45: by Marquise (new)

Marquise I'm not used to seeing this low a rating from you, Steven, but from the sound of it, this deserved it. Lovely review! :)


s.penkevich Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Luh wrote: "Can’t wait for the review! I actually read her adult romance book from last year ( which I forgot the..."

I love that she will not let it go either hahaha like constantly getting pissed at anything that is the color orange . Okay so I was just at the grocery story and totally bought clementines because I saw them and laughed and was like yep I have to do it haha.
SO unhinged. I like want to know what the catch is, like there is something just out of reach. I like how it’s a witty commentary on gender roles too? And there’s the whole reversal that she’s objectifying him in a way, like he doesn’t even get a name? It’s just sharp and smart, thank you I kind of love it. I’m about to go walk my dogs again literally just to keep listening.

I’m excited to hear what you think! I did say this year I wanted to read more French women because I tend to really enjoy any I’ve tried and My Husband and Duras has been a really great combo.


s.penkevich Carol She's So Novel ꧁꧂ wrote: "Regarding hate reading - I'm just too old to want to do that now when there are so many good books waiting for me!"

FOR REAL. I won’t push myself through a book if I don’t enjoy it usually either. This was a three sitting read which helped (could have done it in two but I sort of lost interest halfway) but like, yea I don’t get enjoyment out of disliking things so hate reading has no appeal to me. I don’t even like writing negative reviews, I just feel bad about it haha


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "I'm not used to seeing this low a rating from you, Steven, but from the sound of it, this deserved it. Lovely review! :)"

I should have known and was not going to read it but then the ARC was in our staff break room and I said well I loved her YA so I should try this “for science.� Lesson learned.


message 49: by Luh (new)

Luh Haha yes. It was so extra and when you think she’s gonna let it go, she brings it back!! Haha that’s funny. you did your job correctly. Clementines need some love (or maybe not if they’re like the one from the book haha).
Yes. There is a catch and I personally think it’s genius! I wanna make comments but I can’t say anything not to spoil it. Yea exactly! I know it’s been done before but I think the way she’s making the ‘commentary� through the narrator thoughts and actions in a way that’s both in your face but not really. Is so clever! Yes. That’s a very good point with the name. I didn’t catch it at first! And she also has a really good take on love. Let me know what you think of it. Haha I know the feeling. It’s really addicting. It’s like she’s talking direct to you!

Yes. I’ll let you know what my thoughts are. Yes, I regret not having read the Lover before. It’d have been such a good combo! I really enjoyed most of the French translated books i have read. I read one that’s translated from french but it’s about two Senegalese Soldiers fighting in the Great War , it’s written by a guy, but it’s also so good. It’s called � At Night All Blood is Black�. But it’s more to the dark side!


s.penkevich Luh wrote: "Haha yes. It was so extra and when you think she’s gonna let it go, she brings it back!! Haha that’s funny. you did your job correctly. Clementines need some love (or maybe not if they’re like the ..."

Oh I've heard nothing but good things about At Night All Blood is Black! I should pick that up some time, its nice and short at least but pretty brutal right?

Haha excellent, I have a feeling clementines will forever be associated with this book. I had one before work this morning so Maud Ventura deserves an award from the fruit industry or something for driving up sales haha. I like that shes so pissed about...well everything at this point but about the blinds closed at night and starts polling her students on her husbands sleeping habits. Its such a funny book, thank you again, its like my exact sweet spot of books that give me joy, and kind of a nice buffer to how bleak Dead House is. I like how much she focuses on wondering if the language we use for love informs the ways that we love and how shes like concerned English phrases will corrupt her marriage.


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