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“I remember how desperately I had to cling to the story of my happy marriage. It took effort. It felt so good to stop lying.�
Unpleasant and increasingly oppressive as the pages are turned, this novel (which reads more like a misery memoir) highlights the degree to which one woman sacrificially binds herself to cultural expectations and narratives—fairytales—about marriage. Jane, a writer, documents her fourteen-year relationship with would-be filmmaker/photographer/entrepreneur John, a narcissistic boor and loser. She willfully overlooks the multiple glaring warning signs—the selfishness and immaturity—that make him a far from suitable partner for anyone. The reader then gets a play-by-play of his ongoing insensitivity, irresponsibility, inattentiveness, laziness, carelessness, sense of entitlement, poor judgement, reactivity, enviousness, fragile ego, predilection for late nights (drinking, video games, flirting), sulkiness, arrogance, disdain, contempt, etc. etc. You name a negative, you’ve got it in John, the ultimate “piece of work.�
However (and importantly) instead of fleeing and self-correcting as a functional, basically reasonable, emotionally attuned individual would, Jane persists in her disastrous, toxic marriage. (Whether this is due to a history of mental health issues, some inner sense of being defective, is never totally clear.) She tallies up innumerable reasons for resentment and tells herself endless lies to justify her staying, displaying a degree of contempt for John that rivals his for her. She has a child with him. (Thank God she resists the impulse to have a second.) More than once she comments on how “lucky� she is. Yes, really. She is as much to blame for the mess she’s in as her nightmare of a husband.
People are not reasonable. I get that. I got that long before reading this. So what, exactly, is the point of this book? It appears to be autobiographical fiction. I guess the author was . . . hmm . . . “working it out.�
Manguso’s prose is generally strong. In terms of tone, there’s a lot of bitterness here, of course. There’s also sardonic humour. The language is not infrequently raw, coarse, and ugly. (view spoiler)
Is this is a great, valuable, or illuminating novel? I don’t think so. Reading the first long section, “Liars,� is an experience akin to rubbernecking on a highway. As for the final “Afterward� section—in which the narrator grieves her lost time and comes to terms with the schmaltzy fantasy she bought into—although it’s twice as short as the first, it felt two times as long. At least the narrator does figure out why she married:
“Early on, maybe five years in, John had said, Are you only with me because I’m dark and handsome? and I’d said, I’ve left darker and handsomer, which had been true. But I saw now that it had also been a dodge. Even then, I’d known I was drawn mainly to his body.�
She also understands the reasons she remained. Among them:
“I’d simply told myself that I was wrong. That’s why I’d stayed. I was stubborn. I’d refused to admit I’d been wrong about him. [. . .] I thought a better man might leave me.�
All of it seems pretty obvious to me: talented women continue to throw away years of their lives for the sake of having a mate and fulfilling some weird fantasy about marriage. They do so by lying to themselves about themselves, about the man they’ve elected to be with, and about the mess they’ve got themselves into. However, contrary to the narrator’s insistence that women are coerced “by an entire civilization,� I believe they often do have agency; they simply refuse to exercise it and to take responsibility.
I know why I started this novel—I’d heard about Manguso and was interested in trying her work—but I’m not sure why I bothered to finish it. Maybe I wanted to know just what it would take for the main character to come to her senses. (view spoiler) It’s a sad state of affairs that years of psychotherapy afforded her so little insight and so few tools for extricating herself from an awful mess.
“I remember how desperately I had to cling to the story of my happy marriage. It took effort. It felt so good to stop lying.�
Unpleasant and increasingly oppressive as the pages are turned, this novel (which reads more like a misery memoir) highlights the degree to which one woman sacrificially binds herself to cultural expectations and narratives—fairytales—about marriage. Jane, a writer, documents her fourteen-year relationship with would-be filmmaker/photographer/entrepreneur John, a narcissistic boor and loser. She willfully overlooks the multiple glaring warning signs—the selfishness and immaturity—that make him a far from suitable partner for anyone. The reader then gets a play-by-play of his ongoing insensitivity, irresponsibility, inattentiveness, laziness, carelessness, sense of entitlement, poor judgement, reactivity, enviousness, fragile ego, predilection for late nights (drinking, video games, flirting), sulkiness, arrogance, disdain, contempt, etc. etc. You name a negative, you’ve got it in John, the ultimate “piece of work.�
However (and importantly) instead of fleeing and self-correcting as a functional, basically reasonable, emotionally attuned individual would, Jane persists in her disastrous, toxic marriage. (Whether this is due to a history of mental health issues, some inner sense of being defective, is never totally clear.) She tallies up innumerable reasons for resentment and tells herself endless lies to justify her staying, displaying a degree of contempt for John that rivals his for her. She has a child with him. (Thank God she resists the impulse to have a second.) More than once she comments on how “lucky� she is. Yes, really. She is as much to blame for the mess she’s in as her nightmare of a husband.
People are not reasonable. I get that. I got that long before reading this. So what, exactly, is the point of this book? It appears to be autobiographical fiction. I guess the author was . . . hmm . . . “working it out.�
Manguso’s prose is generally strong. In terms of tone, there’s a lot of bitterness here, of course. There’s also sardonic humour. The language is not infrequently raw, coarse, and ugly. (view spoiler)
Is this is a great, valuable, or illuminating novel? I don’t think so. Reading the first long section, “Liars,� is an experience akin to rubbernecking on a highway. As for the final “Afterward� section—in which the narrator grieves her lost time and comes to terms with the schmaltzy fantasy she bought into—although it’s twice as short as the first, it felt two times as long. At least the narrator does figure out why she married:
“Early on, maybe five years in, John had said, Are you only with me because I’m dark and handsome? and I’d said, I’ve left darker and handsomer, which had been true. But I saw now that it had also been a dodge. Even then, I’d known I was drawn mainly to his body.�
She also understands the reasons she remained. Among them:
“I’d simply told myself that I was wrong. That’s why I’d stayed. I was stubborn. I’d refused to admit I’d been wrong about him. [. . .] I thought a better man might leave me.�
All of it seems pretty obvious to me: talented women continue to throw away years of their lives for the sake of having a mate and fulfilling some weird fantasy about marriage. They do so by lying to themselves about themselves, about the man they’ve elected to be with, and about the mess they’ve got themselves into. However, contrary to the narrator’s insistence that women are coerced “by an entire civilization,� I believe they often do have agency; they simply refuse to exercise it and to take responsibility.
I know why I started this novel—I’d heard about Manguso and was interested in trying her work—but I’m not sure why I bothered to finish it. Maybe I wanted to know just what it would take for the main character to come to her senses. (view spoiler) It’s a sad state of affairs that years of psychotherapy afforded her so little insight and so few tools for extricating herself from an awful mess.
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Thank you for that, Sandy. I completely hear you and I honestly understand the direction your reading has taken. I had heard about Manguso long ago and never got to her, so when this became available I read it. It is short (but feels long) and it is very ugly indeed. I find I'm in a very cranky mood after reading it--uncommon for me to feel this way after a book. I can't imagine a steady diet of this kind of thing, that's for sure. My curiosity about Manguso has now been thoroughly quenched. There are writers who work with the material of their own lives. Some do it well. I loved Elizabeth McCracken's playful book about her mother: The Hero of this Book, and I like Barbara Comyns, though she's dark. This one, yes, I could have done without. I have now read Manguso. The end.

I am sorry to read this. I’m glad paint has proven to be an agreeable partner.

Mission accomplished! Now on to some more enjoyable subject matter, hopefully.
“I find I'm in a very cranky mood after reading it � .�
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Someone else noted in his review of the novel that Virginia Woolf observed grievance to be a poor foundation for fiction. It really applies here, Sandy, and it sounds as though it does in the case of Gissing as well. I lot of people appear to admire this novel. They found it compelling. I found it tiresome and it only falls lower in my estimation as the days pass. Ultimately, I don’t think it’s that good. Best forgotten. Possibly it’ll serve a role in warning some young women, but I am doubtful.

I would hate to read this actually - I really prefer novels, memoirs, auto-fiction etc with a more upbeat theme - this reminds me of the Otessa Mospheg novel - My Year of Rest and Relaxation - I never actually read it - only reviews which guided me away - as you say - "what exactly is the point of this fiction?"

I can only say it was short, Laura. Yes, like Ottessa Moshfegh from the sounds of it: ugliness for the sake of ugliness. Agreed: financial dependence really can be an issue, particularly when there are young children, but this husband is a financial disaster, one failed enterprise after another. The narrator gives up chances at many teaching positions. This was a choice, and the mess is absolutely as much her doing as his. Simply being female and being treated badly doesn’t place one on the moral high ground or make one a saint. The more I think of this book, the more I dislike it. Some awareness dawns in the narrator, but it’s pretty anti climactic after the endless misery and resentment that is the bulk of this overrated novel.

I've just finished reading Roman Clodia's review of this - and I do generally like her take on all things feminist - I do disagree with RC - on quite a lot - but she seems to have a point here, where she suggests that the book is written to engage the sympathy of the readers. Living in Portugal - which is not the UK or Canada or any other enlightened Northern country - I find myself v much steeped in the ethos of men who expect to have their needs prioritised - and they do not see their wives as equal etc - there's no advantage to them in thinking this way - apparently. But from my own perspective - when you are a woman subject to this dominant and pre-vailing structure - you find yourself singing a very lonely song. And this wears down your self-confidence, self-image and self-worth.
I think all societies/cultures are at very different stages of development - and I refer to intellectual equality, intellectual freedoms as well as access to equal pay, employment, and the benefits that men generally enjoy - there are huge differences just within countries in our European Union. The novel Elena Knows by the Argentinian feminist writer - I found so stridently overblown - such a lecture - that I was quite repelled - and yet it will strike exactly the right note with many women - who are struggling with reproductive rights. marital justice etc.
On the other hand - I love Annie Ernaux or Rachel Cusk - these are women speaking to me - although Ernaux is a good decade or so behind my own personal experiences.
We could do with discussing a polemical book like this - with readers like RC - what do you think - with an agenda of where does it fit within a global perspective on feminist theory - who does the book serve? Books nowadays have international readers - it's a big topic but one that could do with some structure?

I've just finished reading Roman Clodia's review of this - and ..."
And I did not see your remark till now . . . I often fail to receive notifications, I have given up on GR fixing this.
I think I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking, Laura. I’d agree that the book likely speaks to some. I quite strongly disagree with RC’s take on this novel, however.
I think it’s true that many men feel entitled to be looked after, call the shots, have their version of events prevail etc. but I’m tired of women refusing to take responsibility for their own actions, their complicity.
The narrator of the novel, who appears to be Manguso herself, is one of them. We need to own our role in tolerating behaviour we simply should not. I know I have been complicit. I’ve also known/know some women who’ve treated/treat men abysmally.
As I mentioned above, another reviewer commented that V. Woolf observed that grievance is a poor foundation for art. (Sorry, don’t know the source.) Whether Woolf said this or not, I agree with the idea.
Page after page of one person’s grievance is what we have here, and what it gets down to is that I don’t want to read the muck that’s been dredged up. It’s tedious. This stuff is for a good psychotherapist, not a reader. Having said that, I’m aware this narrator—and likely Manguso herself—has had years of psychotherapy, and to what end? It appears to have done little good.
A friend of mine on GR has told me that one should write not from the wound but from the scar. I’d suggest that’s true of memoir, autofiction, even fiction in general. Manguso should have left the subject of her bad marriage until she had perspective. Yes, she has some, but not enough. This material should’ve been allowed to sit. Manguso should’ve written only for herself.
In the end, I don’t think this is a good novel (I.e., a work of literary merit and importance)—it’s ugly and mean and nasty and crass.
I think it would be worth your while to read it for yourself, however. I’m sure you’d form an interesting opinion.


Yes, this IS the problem with the book (at least in my view): the female perspective exclusively—moaning on and on. Extremely narrow, to my mind at least.