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Notes from the Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
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"Because I only like playing with words, only dreaming, but, do you know, what I really want is that you should all go to hell. That is what I want. I want peace; yes, I'd sell the whole world for a farthing, straight off, so long as I was left in peace."

I ponder his words as I sit in his disturbed and confused underground mind, this mind supposedly brilliant, yet also a heap of self-destruction; these words which offer some profundity, some lackluster chit-chatter. It makes me consider how we all want peace, to be left in peace, and yet we sometimes create our own tragedies, our own tortured existence. Our own underground.

Play with words that leave me cold in the first few pages, will you, underground man, and then lure me when I'm halfway in, only to bore me again. For this book seems to lack a beginning or end, the semi-existent scenes torment each other, a contradictory heap of sentences, as if Dostoyevsky had unaligned and unfinished thoughts. When the tone of a psychological novel isn't grabbing, and the protagonist seems to be trapped within his own mind, I seek other cues, like that of the mood which enveloped me in The Days of Abandonment, or the heightened self-consciousness in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, or the deeply entrenched thematics of The Brothers Karamazov, or the texture within The Sorrows of Young Werther and Selected Writings. Somehow, I couldn't hold on to any such thing within this novel. Perhaps I'm confined to my own underground, so I'm sure my underground protagonist wouldn't mind that I'm not raving about his rants.

It's not as if his rants aren't appealing at times, after all, the guy is on a roll. He thinks being forty means he's old (someone should tell him that forty is now the new thirty), and he swears that he doesn't believe one word of what he's written. Just when you think he's really gone off the deep end, he shows you he is still very self-aware: "You boast of consciousness, but you are not sure of your ground, for though your mind works, yet your heart is darkened and corrupt, and you cannot have a full, genuine consciousness without a pure heart. And how intrusive you are, how you insist and grimace! Lies, lies, lies!"

And there are those moments, when his words pierce the subconscious:
And so, furtively, timidly, in solitude, at night, I indulged in filthy vice, with a feeling of shame which never deserted me, even at the most loathsome moments, and which at such moments nearly made me curse. Already even then I had my underground world in my soul. I was fearfully afraid of being seen, of being met, of being recognised. I visited various obscure haunts.

I wish I'd had more of these moments because although I don't reach the depths I yearn for, I linger with the 'voice' of this underground man when he reaches those moments of self-aware insanity and the narration produces some form of clarity through intimacy, because let's face it, otherwise, we don't really know this underground man, do we? His annoying inconsistency showcases humanity's perversity, his disdain of the real world, I understand, even when I can't grasp the reasoning for his odd treatment of Liza and of his friends. Perhaps I'll find this "scoundrel's" beginning and his end, when I read Crime and Punishment. Ah, Dostoyevsky, you trickster.
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Reading Progress

December 23, 2013 – Shelved
July 27, 2015 – Started Reading
July 28, 2015 –
page 25
23.15% ""The more conscious I was of goodness and of all that was "sublime and beautiful," the more deeply I sank into my mire and the more ready I was to sink in it altogether.""
July 29, 2015 –
page 35
32.41% ""I am convinced that we underground folk ought to be kept on a curb. Though we may sit forty years underground without speaking, when we do come out into the light of day and break out we talk and talk and talk..." <= Right."
July 30, 2015 –
page 88
81.48% ""Because I only like playing with words, only dreaming, but, do you know, what I really want is that you should all go to hell. That is what I want. I want peace; yes, I'd sell the whole world for a farthing, straight off, so long as I was left in peace." <= Ok then."
August 1, 2015 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Samadrita (new)

Samadrita "For this book seems to lack a beginning or end, the semi-existent scenes torment each other, a contradictory heap of sentences, as if Dostoyevsky had unaligned and unfinished thoughts."

I always secretly kept wishing for some of the most accomplished writers/thinkers on GR to pick out this work's flaws. And finally someone has. With such finesse and keen insight too! Bravo.


message 2: by Gautam (new)

Gautam Indeed,according to me, Crime and Punishment is an offspring of a very concise, intriguing parent ' Underground man'. You can learn about the parent through the offspring. The main gist of this novel showcases the immense talent of D to penetrate deep into the chambers of human mind, unearthing questions and thoughts of a man unfettered by shackles of ' laws of nature'. Great review cheryl :)


message 3: by Vipassana (new)

Vipassana Very interesting to read your thoughts on this. While I haven't read the book, I feel almost entirely convinced of your judgement, especially the need for an authentic voice. I think it's a trick thing with all these self depreciating characters. The ones that I liked were Harry Haller from Steppenwolf(who coincidentally is very fond of Goethe) and Sasha from Good Morning, Midnight. Your description of the underground man reminds me of my abandoned attempt at reading Catcher in the Rye. Very convincingly argued, Cheryl! I was thinking I'd read this first but I think I'll pick up either TBK or C&P instead.


Cheryl Samadrita wrote: "I always secretly kept wishing for some of the most accomplished writers/thinkers on GR to pick out this work's flaws. And finally someone has. With such finesse and keen insight too! Bravo."

Yep, it is flawed, Sam. Dostoyevsky was on the front end of this style of writing, so he persevered as a pioneer. Plus, it was his first novel. Take a fine tooth comb to it though, and it lacks some things…Thanks for the virtual embrace, Sam:) Your perception is always timely.


Cheryl Gautam wrote: "Indeed,according to me, Crime and Punishment is an offspring of a very concise, intriguing parent ' Underground man'. You can learn about the parent through the offspring. The main gist of this nov..."

Absolutely. Although, there was room for more unearthing. I'll be exploring Crime and Punishment for sure. Thanks for the insight, Gautam :)


Cheryl Vipassana wrote: "Very interesting to read your thoughts on this. While I haven't read the book, I feel almost entirely convinced of your judgement, especially the need for an authentic voice. I think it's a trick t..."

You probably should go with C & P first :-) TBK is penetrating and one of my favorite books, but I don't think it's what most should read as an introduction to D (although I did - ha). Then again, I haven't read C & P, so I'd probably know more later. Oh and if you couldn't complete "Catcher," you won't like this (I rated them the same). Thanks for the fruitful thoughts, Vipa :) I enjoy psychological novels and read quite a few of them, so I tend to be picky, but I also understand that my tastes can sometimes be a bit different than the mainstream's.


message 7: by Gautam (new)

Gautam the clarity of 'unearthing' is quite nebulous, which according to me may be a result of relentless venting of emotions without reaching a point ( which only D might know). The ambiguity, the construal of meaning according to one's own sphere of thoughts ,pervades throughout the novel. I can hardly wait on your review on C&P, which is one of my favorites. :)


Cheryl Gautam wrote: "the clarity of 'unearthing' is quite nebulous, which according to me may be a result of relentless venting of emotions without reaching a point ( which only D might know)"

Ah, yes, but I meant unearthing of the story's structure and function, by the author, how it works within the novella form. Yes, his protagonist is beautifully absurd, though I can't say he's memorable. I plan on looking more into his shorter forms (i.e. "White Nights) and the history behind the publishing of this novel, since I do understand that the historical publishing of shorter forms came with some restraints upon the art. Of course, this makes me want to read C & P even more, especially since he stole my heart in TBK.


message 9: by Gautam (new)

Gautam I am yet to read BK.. I know BK is D's best novel. :) good luck with C&P cheryl. revisiting NFU through your eyes was refreshing :)


Seemita Prodding review, Cheryl. I see it hasn't resonated much with you but in your quintessential erudite tone, you have made your points well. I felt the work to be alternating between highs and lows no less but rendered that very quality to be akin to human pysche. Perhaps its our perspectives which make a work so fascinating!


Himanshu :(
Because we went crazy after reading TBK and I was really hoping you would like this one. It is understandable, though, when you put it this way, as to why several things didn't work out for you. But those very things in someway or the other really worked for me: Not an explicit beginning or an end, hypocrisy of the "underground" man, incomplete and unrefined thoughts, D not caring too much about the reader. They made me sit back and drown myself into the very darkness that D talks about and realize that that is exactly how I tackle my thoughts. All the faults that you pointed out seemed deliberate and with an objective of compelling me to rectify(or recreate) them in my mind, and thereby to find some answers of my own. The ending was like a dose of sanity pills which really pulled me out with an emotion which made me realize the genius of this guy.
Pardon my rant. If anything, your amazing review has created a really strong urge to reread it right away.

PS - Having read C&P too, I didn't relate the protagonist too much with this underground man. There were many things which I found unique to his character. But again, we can discuss that once you read it, which, now, I really look forward to. :)


Cheryl Seemita wrote: "Prodding review, Cheryl. I see it hasn't resonated much with you but in your quintessential erudite tone, you have made your points well. I felt the work to be alternating between highs and lows no..."

Your comments always add your unique panache, Seemita -- thank you! Yes, alas, this unreliable narrator didn't work for me the way I would have expected one to. But I'm still tuned into Dostoy...


Cheryl Himanshu wrote: ":(
Because we went crazy after reading TBK and I was really hoping you would like this one. It is understandable, though, when you put it this way, as to why several things didn't work out for you...."


I know, I know :) But 3-stars still means 'like' in my book. Refined thoughts you give, Himanshu. I didn't mind that the underground man was insane, in fact I read it because I wanted to lose myself in his misery. He just wasn't convincing enough for me, and the book reads like chapters from a larger book (or pulled from a couple works in progress). Still torn up by that ending. Oh well, I'll move on to the next. I love Dostoy enough to read his works with a microscope, I guess. Thanks for the insight as always.


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