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The Road by Cormac McCarthy
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it was amazing
bookshelves: fiction, survivally, within-the-dark-there-is-a-spark, dystopic

The main point I want to deal with is how I managed to walk away from this book with a trenchant sense of gratitude at the forefront of my mind. I certainly won’t mislead and paint this story as one that directly radiates things to be happy about, but I do think it does so indirectly (and the term "happy" is far too facile for my purposes here).

This is an extremely dark tale of a world passed through a proverbial dissolvent. A world stripped of its major ecological systems. Small pockets of homo sapiens remain and virtually all other animal and vegetative life has vanished. For the Father and the Boy—the core characters of the novel who are holding onto to their existence by the most tenuous of threads—for them nearly every moment consists of terror and misery. Food is extremely scarce. Fellow humans are often very likely to kill and eat them. There’s an utter lack of good prospects on the horizon. And when terror seems less immediate and they have a moment to become lost in the luxuries of long-term memory, the thoughts tend to be ones of painful regret and helplessness and are just as bleak as the immediate surroundings and circumstances. A REALLY, REALLY SAD AND SCARY TALE. Okay.

It’s fitting—albeit in a superficial, mundane coincidence type of fashion—that I’m reading The Road for the first time as soon as the temperatures in my cartographic slice of things have just plummeted to single-digit degrees. The slow death of autumn has given way to the inescapable, temporary halt of much organic hustle and bustle. The skies often tend to merge with the washed out grays and whites of the landscape. As almost goes without saying, the world of McCarthy’s unexplained apocalypse is one in which each day is more gray than the last. So there seems to be some veneer of kinship between this world and my current surroundings, but what’s more important—far, far more important—are the manifold differences. Compared to the bleak world of the book that sits to my left, the nonfictional winter of the Chicago tri-state area is a veritable paradise. Colors are still abundant, if you choose to notice them. The buildings, cars and clothes we encase ourselves in—in sum—still display a wide range of colors, patterns, novelties, and so on, which to an eye accustomed to and expectant of tattered gray wastelands would appear as an orgiastic celebration of beauty and eyesight like none other. Though sunlight is less abundant now than in other seasons we are still, often enough, visited by a warmth and illumination that comes from that distant, worship-worthy star above, as opposed to a random explosion from some chunk of flammable infrastructure releasing its dying breath, or from a meager fire knelt over and struggled to bring to life.

In full disclosure, I can’t say that anyone has ever accused me of being an optimist. I’ve held the deed to boatloads—jam-packed harbors of them—of cynicism, despair, and all the other synonyms for negative emotional states and psychological dispositions. But I also feel that the struggle against nihilism, apathetic numbness, and ascetic ideology of all stripes is The Great Foundational Struggle for myself, and for my fellow strange hairless primates to take up and take up with vigor. To be able to look uncertainty, intuitive pessimism, our own impending demise, and even the gaping void of eternity squarely in its facelessness and still wrest away something profoundly good and meaningful.

I’ve also been no stranger to the wishful-yearning to abandon my human cognitive faculties, our apparently unique ability to look forward, to anticipate, to construct possibilities, outcomes, goals, to direct wonder and desire at and upon the world around and within us, and to reflect upon these very things and the reflection itself, the reflection itself, the reflection itself... These useful evolutionary adaptations (and their attendant byproducts) often feel like a burden to those who also have the aforementioned boatloads somehow connected to their person. The burden is simply in the fact that where one can see ahead they can see ahead to miserable outcomes.

I used to mentally nod in agreement when Craig Schwartz, in Being John Malkovich, remarks to his wife’s pet chimpanzee that "Consciousness is a curse." I used to quasi-proudly cite the Samuel Johnson quote at the beginning of Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas that "He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." And one dramatic evening the man singing the song [which has been removed from the top of the review now] literally slapped me and metaphorically awoke me from this nihilistic slumber by pointing to the words "pain of being man" which were scrawled, in my hand, upon a miniature American flag and screamed something to the effect of "This is something you can't ever fully get rid of!" What is basically an obvious truth hit me like a ton of bricks, the way that certain obvious yet somehow elusive truths are want to do. It was a moment that, say, Nietzsche would’ve been proud of, as he was brilliant at and adamant in his fight against nihilism and opposed to treating pain as something merely to be avoided rather than faced and even, in some ways, embraced.

In sum, wishing away our nature, our circumstance, our humanity—this is no better and no less cowardly than blissfully strolling along as if everything’s coming up roses when the world crumbles around you. It’s a rejection of the present world--a sigh of resignation, signed, sealed, delivered. We have to learn to do something with our terror and woe. Pronouncing it terminal and sitting back to watch the world turn to cinders and dust is no longer an option, and precisely because of how dire many of our situations truly are.

There’s a tremendously powerful scene in which the Father and the Boy discover an underground bunker filled with food and various supplies. The joy and relief they feel in that bunker is the metaphorical core of where gratitude lies in terrible situations. My bunker, our bunker, is generally much more vast in the present nonfictional world of circumstances--both the circumstances that we share and the ones that are enclosed within. And yet somehow this gratitude is not really any easier to find and possess in a lasting way than the literal bunker that briefly acts as a protective womb for the central characters of this dark and harrowing tale.

This is all to say that there is something very important about finding real silver linings and that in rejecting so many false ones we may accidentally toss out the genuine ones. Genuine goodness gets caught so easily in our blind spots.

"What a wonderful thing to be alive and given to hungering."
—Death Rattle Orchestra, "The Hand's Mouth"


Books like this that contain such magnificently terrible visions of a doomed planet, also contain the impetus to appreciate things once taken for granted and to cherish and protect these things with every fibre of one’s being. They also contain a pulse of something that is purely beautiful such as the relationship between the Father and the Boy. Clearly, they represent some sort of triumph of perseverance, but not at all in the glib, mindless language of motivational posters, but in a hard-nosed, realistic manner that taps into deep and serious feelings and verifiable realities, rather than delusional slogans recited to keep general unpleasantness at bay. The story doesn’t end happily ever after, not by a long shot, but there are real triumphs all along the way and these don’t vanish simply because we aren’t served up every fulfilled desire on a silver platter. Such is life. The world is not drained of meaning simply because it is finite and partially composed of fallibility, uncertainty, and things generally that fall short of our yearned-for ideals. The triumphs are real.

He held the boy by the hand and they went along the rows of stenciled cartons. Chile, corn, stew, soup, spaghetti sauce. This richness of the vanished world. Why is this here? the boy said. Is it real?
Oh yes. It's real.


Anything that can shake a person to their core and set off a chain of thoughts that leads to the desire to live better than before, perhaps ethically, or to allow them to feel things more profoundly—such as gratitude and amazement at the very fact of anything existing at all—deserves all the praise it can get. As far as I’m concerned Cormac McCarthy’s writing is now praise-worthy in this way.
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Cormac McCarthy
“Perhaps in the world's destruction it would be possible at last to see how it was made. Oceans, mountains. The ponderous counterspectacle of things ceasing to be. The sweeping waste, hydroptic and coldly secular. The silence.”
Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Cormac McCarthy
“He walked out in the gray light and stood and he saw for a brief moment the absolute truth of the world. The cold relentless circling of the intestate earth. Darkness implacable. The blind dogs of the sun in their running. The crushing black vacuum of the universe. And somewhere two hunted animals trembling like ground-foxes in their cover. Borrowed time and borrowed world and borrowed eyes with which to sorrow it.”
Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Cormac McCarthy
“Nobody wants to be here and nobody wants to leave.”
Cormac McCarthy, The Road


Reading Progress

December 14, 2009 – Shelved
December 14, 2009 – Shelved as: fiction
December 14, 2009 – Shelved as: survivally
Started Reading
December 15, 2009 – Finished Reading
December 16, 2009 – Shelved as: within-the-dark-there-is-a-spark
January 27, 2013 – Shelved as: dystopic

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message 1: by Sam (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sam Me too! Well, it was sort of forced upon me.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio McCarthy is already (I'm about halfway through) one of my favorite writers ever.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio "Josh" is just fine by me.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Or just The Boy. Or The Man. Or The Man-Boy.


Chloe It requires the quotation marks, however. You can never be simply Josh. Just "Josh."


message 6: by Sam (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sam Josh, would it be alright if I called you Fleshy?


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Logan wrote: "It requires the quotation marks, however. You can never be simply Josh. Just "Josh.""

"Yeah", "I'm" "ironically" "myself."


message 8: by Worthless (new) - added it

Worthless Bum So I should read this, then?


message 9: by Sam (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sam Sean wrote: "So I should read this, then?"

Yep.


brian   5 stars. yup.
right on, mfso.


Kimley Beautiful review MFSO. I sort of feel about this book the way that David does about Bolaño but you did a nice job of articulating what clearly so many people are getting from this work.


message 12: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 05:48AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Thanks, Kimley and brian. I promise to write a purely misanthropic, pessimistic review after I read Blood Meridian. It'll be ripe with romanticized angst.


message 13: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 06:56AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Really excellent, MFSO. A great review for a great book.

I have to disagree with you about the movie, however. Outside of a few of the more terrifying scenes, it didn't really do much for me.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Also, Safety Math wrote: "Josh, would it be alright if I called you Fleshy?"

I'd like to see you try. Next time we hang out you give it a go. My money's on you not being able to keep it up for long or with a straight face. And if you can I'll probably start yelling at you to cut it out. Or I'll just call you Safety Mathy in retaliation.


message 15: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:02AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Bram wrote: "Really excellent, MFSO. A great review for a great book.

I have to disagree with you about the movie, however. Outside of a few of the more terrifying scenes, it didn't really do much for me."


Thanks, Bram. I'm curious to hear more about how people felt about the film (see, I liked it so I call it a "film"). It was really accurate, so I can't envision any complaints about it being unfaithful to the source material. But maybe it's a matter of it not matching up to the visions the book invoked for those who read it beforehand. I happened to see the film first, so I had nothing to compare it to then. Of course the film was lacking most of the gorgeous prose, but it did have some great cinematography and acting in its place.


message 16: by Eddie (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:07AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Eddie Watkins Excellent review. You seem to be getting into this fiction thing!

I haven't seen the movie, but when I heard that it was being filmed in Pennsylvania I immediately thought of Centralia, PA, a town that effectively no longer exists because of smoldering underground coal fires that have made the place dangerous and unliveable (though a few people have refused to move). Over the years roads have split from the heat creating permanent crevasses spewing steam, and all over town are smoking hot spots. It's a desolate place, a perfect post-apocalyptic setting for the film, though I don't actually know if it was filmed there. It's quite a sight and I recommend it as a road trip destination to anyone nearby.


message 17: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:11AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Yeah, I'm thinking that my reaction was probably due mostly to having read the book beforehand...and very recently at that. While it's quite faithful, I thought it missed some intense opportunities (one scene from the book that sticks out in my mind is the seemingly pre-historical parade of humans, complete with female property, "catamites", et al.--could have been amazing to see on film and really hammers home the idea of society completely reverting). Also, while I thought the actors did a great job (especially Viggo), I wasn't able to get manipulated emotionally in the same way that I was from McCarthy's dialogue/prose. Again, this may have been because I was already so familiar with the story at the time I saw the movie.

Some of the scenes are damn near flawless though--the creepy part in the basement of the house; the guy taking a leak. "That boy looks hungry."


message 18: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:12AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Eddie wrote: "Excellent review. You seem to be getting into this fiction thing!

I haven't seen the movie, but when I heard that it was being filmed in Pennsylvania I immediately thought of Centralia, PA, a to..."


Yeah, I'm a real Prodigal Son with the fiction these days. It's been really nice.

That sounds like a pretty good candidate for at least one of the locations they may've filmed in. I was pretty impressed by the technical and visual dimensions of the film alone. Karen also mentioned that she thought the wasteland effect was pretty stunning.


message 19: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:19AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I totally understand and respect what you're saying there, Bram. And oh yeah, that basement scene definitely had my heart pounding and mind racing. I also thought that the entire section of the film with the bunker and the chance to shave and bathe and enjoy the simple things was top notch. So beautiful and so heartbreaking.


message 20: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 07:18AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Yeah, that scene was excellent as well--and nearly identical to the book.

Based on this review, looks like our fiction/nonfiction swap is working out pretty well.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Freaky Friday!


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Reading through other reviews of this makes me feel fortunate to have not been very aware of all the hype and anti-hype surrounding this book. I was spared and allowed to approach it in a much more pure and innocent manner.


Richard MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "A world stripped of its major ecological systems. Small pockets of homo sapiens remain and virtually all other animal and vegetative life has vanished."

I found this book very disturbing, primarily because, as I read it, the world wasn't stripped of its 'major' ecological systems, but all of them: not virtually, but literally all other animal and vegetative life has vanished. Mushrooms left in the ground have dessicated instead of returning to compost; apples fallen off a tree do the same. No birds, no flies, no grass.

This means the world is a coffin, and anyone still living with hope is completely delusional. McCarthy's insistence on giving his characters such hope meant this was nothing but a horror story, with nice people doomed to die while we watch.

I just don't get why people liked this, unless they decided the absolute death of the environment years after the unnamed apocalypse didn't really signify anything.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Looking at it as an allegory I find the message to mostly be quite wonderful. Not uplifting in the sense of bliss or utopia, but in the idea of being able to find meaning and goodness in the most dire of situations and how this principle translates to our actual lives--lives in which we have so much more to appreciate and work with at our finger tips.


message 25: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 10:54AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Richard wrote: "MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "A world stripped of its major ecological systems. Small pockets of homo sapiens remain and virtually all other animal and vegetative life has vanished."

I found this book v..."


This is true...but perhaps only in the limited area McCarthy showed us (i.e. Eastern US). Even if the entire environment was destroyed (and again, this can't be determined in the novel), there's still something moving and essentially human about the persistence of hope in an absolutely hopeless situation. The desire need to survive isn't rational; it's primordial. I'd probably argue that the book's survival theme is more intriguing if hope for the future is nil.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Bram wrote: "I'd probably argue that the book's survival theme is more intriguing if hope for the future is nil."




Richard Bram wrote: "I'd probably argue that the book's survival theme is more intriguing if hope for the future is nil."

Fascinating. I figure game over means game over.


Jon wrote: "See, humans today may look pretty different from one another..."

I have no clue what you're trying to say here...


Aerin Beautifully said.


message 29: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 12:11PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram But how would you know if it was 'game over'? The characters don't have the luxury of your omniscient position and given the available information (to the reader), they could be right. Right now the Boy could be on the last boat to still-lush South Africa.

But as I said before, there doesn't need to be any real hope for this story to work, especially if the characters have limited information (which they do). Survival is an instinct, but as this story argues, it doesn't mean you have to sacrifice basic goodness in the pursuit. If you find this meaningless, then...well yeah, I don't know.


message 30: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 12:15PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Richard wrote: "Bram wrote: "I'd probably argue that the book's survival theme is more intriguing if hope for the future is nil."

Fascinating. I figure game over means game over."


Yeah, but it's not actually over yet, as they are still living throughout the story, albeit in circumstances that many people would kill themselves in. You almost seem angry at them for not killing themselves immediately. A major point of the book, by my lights, is to place yourself in the worst type of situations imaginable and think about how you would react. To me this is a fascinating thought experiment that illustrates a lot about a person's attitudes towards living itself, the meaningfulness of things, morality, etc.


message 31: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 12:18PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Yes.

Not to mention that the Boy was born right after the Incident happened. So they'd already survived for 10 years. Sure things were getting worse, but that's a pretty pathetic excuse to give up. I suppose if you happen to agree with the Mother, this story would appear pretty stupid.


message 32: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Jan 29, 2010 08:59PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Bram wrote: "Survival is an instinct"

The notion of survival as an instinct raises some interesting questions, too. What of those who kill themselves? This reminds me of something I encountered when reading Nietzsche years ago. He objects to the idea that will to survive (or what his hero/nemesis Arthur Schopenhauer called "the will to life") is more fundamental than his famously misunderstood notion of "the will to power." The will to power for him being the fundamental "force" that animates everything, from microbes, to flowers, to human beings. Although I reject this idea because it seems that if the feeling of self-mastery, the feeling of making things happen in the world (i.e. the will to power) is subservient to the will to survive because of the simple fact that No Survival = No Power. Anyway, in the case of people killing themselves it does almost seem to support this idea that people would rather exert their last act of control in taking their own life rather than just be slowly destroyed by elements outside of their control.

I dunno, sort of a random mental association there on my part.


message 33: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 12:26PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Bram wrote: "But as I said before, there doesn't need to be any real hope for this story to work, especially if the characters have limited information (which they do). Survival is an instinct, but as this story argues, it doesn't mean you have to sacrifice basic goodness in the pursuit."

Another bulls-eye.


message 34: by Bram (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Good points. And I think McCarthy intentionally sets up a scenario where the Mother's position isn't really ridiculous or irrational. The walls are closing in. Dying pleasantly is better than dying horribly, I agree. But. But.

See? This book is fucking brilliant.


message 35: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 12:33PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Exactly. I can't see how anyone could accuse McCarthy of lacking nuance with these deep, perplexing issues.


Kimley Actually, this was precisely my complaint about the book. I didn't think it was particularly nuanced. I felt like I got his message (which I agree is profoundly moving) in the first 50 pages and then McCarthy felt the need to bludgeon me over and over with this repetitious, unrelenting horror to the point that I had to just numb myself to it and eventually found it rather boring - on the road, look for food, meet stranger (good stranger or bad stranger?), find a place to sleep, wake up and repeat.

So, yeah, I'd be lying if I didn't confess that now I'm a bit worried that Jon, David and brian will all bludgeon me when I meet them on Saturday...


message 37: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 01:33PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Nuanced with regard to the moral and existential positions on "to be or not to be?" issues. There isn't a clear theme in the story of "survival is good at all costs" or "just kill yourself," rather this seems more a matter left open to continued thought and reflection.


Richard MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "You almost seem angry at them for not killing themselves immediately...."

Angry? Huh?

I'd never expect them to kill themselves; even in the scenario as I understand it, I doubt I'd kill myself.

My big complaint is that I don't think McCarthy set the stage very well. As far as I can tell, most readers don't even seem to notice that the planet is dead as a doornail, and they see hope at the end. I think the ambiguity is clumsy; there are essentially two different books being read, depending on how closely one is paying attention to details.

If he really meant all life is dead, why do the characters never talk about that? If even the soil is dead after almost ten years, I think it would be the number one topic of conversation. Whenever the pair ran into friendlies, one question should have always popped up: "Have you seen any sign of life, anywhere?" The father is supposed to be a pretty clever sort, but he seems to accept this contradictory world without comment.

I think all the deep, perplexing issues are read into the story by intelligent readers, letting McCarthy off the hook. Frankly, I think it is a clumsy setup.


message 39: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Dec 16, 2009 01:51PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Richard wrote: "I think all the deep, perplexing issues are read into the story by intelligent readers, letting McCarthy off the hook."

Here's one example of when the true intentions of the author don't really matter at all to me. The fact is that I and many others felt these things as a consequence of reading the book. Whether this was intended or not seems besides the point. I think a good argument can be made for seeing these things within the story regardless of McCarthy's opinions on the matter, because, as I make mention of in my review, many of these effects are indirectly related to the explicit content of the book and are found between the lines. And given the context surrounding the book, such as the author and his other work, I think it's a safe bet to see some of these between the lines effects as intentional.


message 40: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 01:47PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram I don't know. It sounds like you want to add in a bunch of boring stuff so that we don't have to deal with ambiguities.

Creating a book that raises deep, perplexing issues (regardless of whether one has the capability or desire to reflect on them) is precisely why I think this novel is brilliant. With both the dialogue and the setting, it's what McCarthy's able to convey without spelling things out that makes this book so compelling.


message 41: by Bram (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Richard wrote: "I think all the deep, perplexing issues are read into the story by intelligent readers, letting McCarthy off the hook."

Here's one example of when the true intentions of the author..."


Sort of a cross-post. Excellent point.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio That was almost a jinx moment.


Kimley MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Nuanced with regard to the moral and existential positions on "to be or not to be?" issues."

Totally understand what you're saying but I wish he'd explored the mother's story more. I mean, that's a BIG deal to abandon your child. But he sort of just dismissed her side of the story with a brief paragraph as I recall. What was there that made the father feel enough hope to continue and not the mother? I felt his exploration of these existential issues was rather one-sided.


message 44: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 01:54PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Yeah, I'd agree that the creation of these effects is intentional (i.e. this is masterful, well-planned work). But even if this book was an accident and McCarthy was just trying to write a simple horror book, it'd still be brilliant in spite of his intent.

Occam's razor probably applies here.


message 45: by Bram (last edited Dec 16, 2009 02:06PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bram Kimley wrote: "MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Nuanced with regard to the moral and existential positions on "to be or not to be?" issues."

Totally understand what you're saying but I wish he'd explored the mother's sto..."


I think if McCarthy had shown any interest in developing character backstories, I'd find this to be a big flaw as well. I think it's inclusion is simply to portray the absolute desperateness of the situation: Things are so bad that a mother is abandoning her life and child. I think he wanted to show that there are multiple viewpoints here and they are not black and white. By having it be the Mother who takes this path, the choice to die is given additional legitimacy--we know she is doing it to preempt terrible suffering for herself and the ones she loves. I think we're supposed to wonder: who is right?


message 46: by Kimley (last edited Dec 16, 2009 02:09PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kimley Bram wrote: "I think if McCarthy had shown any interest in developing character backstories, I'd find this to be a big flaw as well."

Oh, I agree completely! But I would have liked a bit more insight into her process of getting to that moment. We get a really good look at the psyche of the father and what's motivating him to continue on but nothing about her as if there's very little to her decision beyond simply not having the strength or being able to see any value in dealing with the suffering. Her choice comes off seeming fairly straight-forward and uncomplicated.



Richard MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Here's one example of when the true intentions of the author don't really matter at all to me."

Fine; but I'd say the fact that you are a thoughtful reader doesn't earn McCarthy five stars.

Bram wrote: "I don't know. It sounds like you want to add in a bunch of boring stuff so that we don't have to deal with ambiguities."

The problem isn't the ambiguities, but the contradictions. Would it really be boring if the father asked strangers if they'd seen any sign of life? Wouldn't it be a natural question? And the book is really already pretty boring: as Kimley said, most of the book is a mindless repetition of a horrific daily existence.

This is undoubtedly going to end up in one of those "agree to disagree" cliches, but I think McCarthy's elegiac mood lets smart folks read substance into the story that really isn't there. The emperor is wearing rags, at best.


message 48: by Weinz (last edited Dec 16, 2009 02:35PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Weinz Kimley wrote: "I'm a bit worried that Jon, David and brian will all bludgeon me when I meet them on Saturday"

I'll protect you from the book nerds, Kimley!


Kimley Michelle wrote: "I'll protect you from the book nerds, Kimley!"

You rock, girlfriend!


Kimley Jon wrote: "Anyway...how come Kimley doesn't have to make a cd?"

I think I might have missed the reference but I'm hoping this means some kind of penance will spare me.


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