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I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis

Waqas wrote: "I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis"

I just started and honestly, don't even remember reading this; seeing everything with new eyes. What did you think of her previous collections? (If you're thinking of writing a review, no need to answer :P I'll wait.)

Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis"

I just started and honestly, don't even remember reading this; seei..."

I pan to scribble some impressions! Anyway, her early poems suffer from prolixity and tend to get repetitive, which makes them a bit dull but overall music and imagery is great. Maybe that is why when she avoids lengthy lines and becomes abrupt the effect is doubled in its quality( as in case of Ariel). But it seems the poeticizations in Ariel is the most fragmentary and manic compared to the period when she was just about to transition into it - and that is where Plath, to me, seems at her most solid state, with pitch-prefect balance between self and universe in poems like The Moon on the Yew Tree, Stars Over the Dordogne, or Among the Narcissi! But regardless, I am still loving Ariel.

Waqas wrote: "Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis"

I just started and honestly, don't even remember ..."

Thanks for such an enlightening answer! A great analysis in one single comment - as ever, admirable lucidity. I read your words and can't help thinking about Pizarnik; their art became exceptionally meaningful and solid when they began to collapse. Tragic; not too unusual. I just read Lady Lazarus twice. Unforgettable lines now.
No pressure of course, but I can't wait to hear your thoughts on her work. :)

Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis"

I just started and honestly, don't ..."

Not really but thanks! I plan to read Pizarnik alongside Tsvetaeva - it seems these two poets have lots of similarities with Plath so experience would be rewarding - as soon as I'm done with my current reading slog. Adrienne Rich kinda wrote in the same vein when I read her while ago, but now I realize she was a poetaster.

Ha! I just read Lazarus on your mentioning - yes, unforgettable lines indeed! Glad to know you're enjoying the verses, for I too look forward to your review on this. :)

I've been following the your updates/ reviews of books by Plath and I remember the responses by some of other friends towards them, I've been planning to read her poetry for a long time and finally ordered it yesterday, let's see how does it go for me :)

Will be eagerly awaiting your response on it.

Waqas wrote: "Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "Florencia wrote: "Waqas wrote: "I am also - and finally - leafing through Ariel poems, it seems her poetry was really parallel with her psychosis"

I just started an..."

That sounds like a great plan! I read Tsvetaeva's My Poems...: Selected Poetry and absolutely loved it. I enjoyed that translation. I do hope you find a good translation of Pizarnik's work, but in that case I can help of course.
"Poetaster." You know, that might be the first time I see someone using that term. It shows great insight. I found some other examples. They sound so bad that I felt like taking a look. ;D

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I didn't know about Pizarnik until you recommended me A Musical Hell , so I am opting for the collection - if there's something more I am missing out, I'm probably in need of your help.

Heh, I picked that term while reading Dan Schneider. Speaking of the the man, he is a monster, as he is one of the most brutal but great, perhaps greatest critic I have been lucky enough to read. Dan critiques poems here, and rewrites them to change them for better, but it's also his way of teaching people on understanding/writing poetry. He himself claims to have written 1000 great poems and a few great novels, but due to his brutal critiques of bad poets/writers, he has created many enemies in publishing world(), so he's unpublished of course.

I read Tsvetaeva's My Poems...: Selected Poetry and absolutely loved it.

Fantastic - going to read it now!

Gaurav wrote: "I've been following the your updates/ reviews of books by Plath and I remember the responses by some of other friends towards them, I've been planning to read her poetry for a long time and finally..."

Oh, that's wonderful, Gaurav. I'm glad those updates piqued your interest. Plath's poetry is extremely intimate, so I couldn't connect with it the first time I read it. Now that I really got acquainted with her, I'm relating to her poetry on a deeper level.
I hope you enjoy her work when you get to it!

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I didn't know that Pizarnik's work had been translated into English until I read a review of it. So I hope that translation is a decent one. :P Apparently, it is. I'm going to go back to her poetry soon. Haven't read "El infierno musical" ("A musical hell") yet.
Thanks for sharing that link. Yup, "brutal" is one way to describe his critiques. But there's also brilliance in his writings. Seeing someone sharing his thoughts on something and in a straightforward manner is always so refreshing.
Btw, totally unrelated but I noticed the poem you added by Stevie Smith. It's lovely. Another new name on my to-read list, so thank you!

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I feel like I will very much enjoy "A Musial Hell" . . .

I agree, there is great cadence to his writing, and Dan is brutal, especially when compared with the homogeneous doze of pill critics we are often lobbed against, and he does not even shy away from his own emotionalism. His is the criticism one can actually act upon, for he does not rely on jargon and depends on evidence! Anyway, I wish more people were open to what he is doing on Cosmoetica

Sadly, I haven't read Smith beyond that poem, but so glad to know you liked it, perhaps I shall explore her more too at some point.

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I feel like I will very much enjoy "A Musial Hell" . . . I'll wait and join you when you get to it. Not many opportunities to enjoy Pizarnik's work with friends. :)