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Just Kids by Patti Smith
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I never thought much about Patti Smith. The images I saw of her never attracted me, and what I knew of her Rimbaud fixation turned me off. I always had a problem with the Beat and Punk appropriation of Rimbaud as more a figure of rebellion than a sophisticated poet. For me poetry is a phenomenon of the page, not an outfit you wear down the street. I also never got into Punk Rock. Going to college in the fall of 1983 I had probably only heard of The Sex Pistols, though I had never listened to them. Then when I got to college I was immersed in it, without my choosing to be. I loved some of it but just never pursued it as an interest or as a lifestyle, it was just the soundtrack to my experiences. At the time I was more into focused listening of Prince (and King Crimson and The Talking Heads) than Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. And somehow, even during college, I managed to never listen to Horses... until a couple years ago. But what a great album! and I would say about it what I would say about other Punk I've gotten into since - such as Television and The Minutemen - that it is nothing other than simply great Rock & Roll. So I grew curious about Patti Smith and then this book came out and I snatched it up. It's a sweet and gritty account of her growing into maturity and how it coincided with her relationship with Robert Mapplethorpe. There's a wise naturalness in how she grew into the woman we now know. There was ambition, but only on her own terms, and there was no striving to be part of a scene outside of herself (& Robert), though she ended up in one fascinating scene after another as the grimy and vibrant New York art/bohemian landscape tumultuously morphed into the previously unknown seemingly by the hour in the late 1960's and early 1970's. She portrays these scenes as the outsider she always felt she was, yet they're portrayed head-on, not through a scrim of self-consciousness or psychic distance: she was in the thick of it, even acting as a nurturing figure to many, yet she was also strangely apart from it. Throughout there's a focus on her intimate relationships and how their effects radiated out into the situations she was involved in, which gives the feeling of a real groundedness regardless of how crazy things were. But whoever she was with - Jim Carroll, Sam Shepard, a guy from Blue Oyster Cult - Mapplethorpe sill permeated her consciousness. In many ways they were alike, but in even more important ways they were very different, and part of the fascination of this book is pondering the duality they set up - Robert alienated from his family and erasing his past to find the future while Patti was always firmly bedded in her past and in her family, Robert's wild drug use and Patti's basically straight life, Patti's Victorian sloppiness and Robert's decadent minimalism, and of course the sexual complications. This book is not only entertaining but lovely and wise too.
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February 24, 2010 – Finished Reading
October 8, 2014 – Shelved as: memoirs-letters-interviews

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message 1: by D. (new) - rated it 4 stars

D. Pow I love Patti Smith. I wish she could be my psychopomp.


Eddie Watkins She might be, D. Just close your eyes and let it happen.

She comes off as a natural psychopomp in this book.


message 3: by D. (new) - rated it 4 stars

D. Pow she's very psychopompy. I heard her on the radio. She is a total threshold dweller and honorer of the dead.


Eddie Watkins I was very impressed how she was able to weave that kind of "stuff" into this narrative so naturally, without pretension and without seeming like she learned it anywhere. She's simply a natural.

This whole book is her honoring the dead; fulfilling a promise she made to Mapplethorpe.


message 5: by D. (new) - rated it 4 stars

D. Pow Jon, there is a wonderful book called 'This Band could be your life', kind of an oral history of American Indie bands in the 80's, that has a cool chapter on The Minutemen.


Eddie Watkins The Minutemen definitely are more complex than some others, with polyrhythms and such, and I suppose better musicians. That doc is good. It was funny to hear them admit that when they first got together they didn't even realize there was a difference between a rhythm guitar and a bass. One reason I think I like them is that they grew out of a love of classic rock, which dominated my ears when I was a kid.


Eddie Watkins I'm pretty sure he toured with Iggy Pop a year or two ago.


message 8: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Great review. Your own journey is a pretty interesting one as well.


Eddie Watkins Thanks Ian. It's both lame and cool to only discover some of this music at the almost ripe age of 45.


message 10: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy Cline I've always been a fan of Horses myself; the other stuff can be hit or miss.

She is strangely attractive to me; sometimes she looks like Mick Jagger, and at other angles she's breathtakingly beautiful. Anyway, there's a photography book by Judy Linn, photographs of Smith from 69' to 77', that left me feeling pretty lecherous. And whether or not it's appropriate, I just really feel the need to share this with everyone: Patti Smith has really amazing tits. There, I said it; flag it if you must.


message 11: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Jimmy wrote: "Patti Smith has really amazing tits"

Totally agree, Jimmy. Witness the shot of her holding a hammer.


message 12: by Ian (last edited Mar 31, 2011 12:04AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I always liked this photo as well:

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message 13: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy Cline Ian wrote: "Jimmy wrote: "Patti Smith has really amazing tits"

Totally agree, Jimmy. Witness the shot of her holding a hammer."


Yeah, I was particularly fond of the hammer photographs.


Eddie Watkins I saw Patti Smith's tits when I was in LA, in that book that is, but the presence of Donald and Kimley and Tosh prevented me from fully appreciating their amazingness.

I love Horses; it's the only album of hers I've heard. I still don't like her poetry much, though.


message 15: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy Cline Eddie wrote: "I saw Patti Smith's tits when I was in LA, in that book that is, but the presence of Donald and Kimley and Tosh prevented me from fully appreciating their amazingness."

That's pretty damn funny, Eddie.


message 16: by Sal (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sal Salamander Horses is an album of poetry.


message 17: by Tim (new) - added it

Tim what a great review with personal history thrown in to make it stick. If I don't know who Rimbaud and, really, Mapplethorpe are, will I still get a lot out of this book?


Eddie Watkins Sure, but you might want to read the wikipedia entry on Mapplethorpe beforehand just to get some idea who he was and what he did. And just for general cultural edification you should check out Rimbaud.


Edith I wanted to review this book, but you said it all perfectly. A good friend brought it to me and told me I must read it. I am so glad she did. I was swept away by it and by Patti Smith's eloquent writing and wisdom. As you say, it is entertaining, lovely, and wise.


Eddie Watkins Thanks Edith! This is a book I look forward to rereading some day.


message 21: by Kevin (new) - added it

Kevin Great review! I think Patti's contributions to art and music have pretty much outlived the punk movement and will continue to have an influence well into the future. She is particularly appreciated in France (where I live) and was awarded the title of "Commander of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres" a few years ago. Honestly I find it difficult to speak of Patti Smith and "The Dead Kennedys" in the same paragraph; the "Sex Pistols" perhaps, at least for the song "Anarchy in the UK", but not much else, in my opinion. This book is on my shelf waiting to be read!


message 22: by Ruth (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ruth Selwyn-crome I agree with Edith, a perfect review. I've just finished it; a Christmas present from my kids. I've always been a huge fan of mapplethorpe and remember an exhibition at the ICA in the eighties. Someone played me some patti smith around the same time but I never realised what a relationship they'd had. The book is so moving and so evocative of any powerful early influential relationships we all have. It's made me appreciate patti smith more too. I have a book of her poems on the shelf and never felt inclined to dove in with much gusto - will do now. I think what comes out most strongly is this wonderful innocence :-)


message 23: by Siya (new)

Siya Thank you for your help today


message 24: by Maria (new)

Maria Muse Eddie that was a beautiful review. This is coming from a girl who also took a focused listen with Prince and also delved deep into the punk lifestyle. From Crass to the Circle Jerks. Anyway, your elegantly written words have inspired me today. And now I'm reading the book. Post Script: I was more Diamanda Galas than Patti Smith. Looking forward to Kim Gordon's book, too.


message 25: by Becky (new) - added it

Becky Finkelstein Talking Heads were punk. They played at CBGB


Yolie Spot on review, I agree with a lot. I had always heard of her and listened to songs in passing. Finally decided to give this book a try and now I'm obsessed!


Greg comer Like it boobs


message 28: by Max (new)

Max Lerner What is your favorite song


Brian Johnson Great review.


Sally Morris Such a beautifully written review of a truly beautiful book.


message 31: by Alissa latrice (new)

Alissa latrice Hons


Eddie Watkins Spad


message 33: by Emilyjhlee (new) - added it

Emilyjhlee Wow amazing review ! Very honest and sincere!


message 34: by Kristine (new)

Kristine Dicerchio The book helped me see love in another beautiful way.


Sarah drain I love this book spool much it,s all about all my stuff well you know what I mean


Cristina Rueda Great review, thanks for writing it!


´¡²µÃ¶²õ³Ù¾±²Ô²¹ i really really love her. She is the only individual that gives me some kind of hope in art and poetry. Makes me hopeful for the mainstream poets of our generation, that may not be seen right now, but that are there nevertheless, takes away the 'junkie-pseudobohemian' image from the artist, and tears it down to what it really means to put your soul and heart into your work. Smith is without a doubt my highest female role model. Cheers!


message 38: by Eva (new) - rated it 5 stars

Eva Nikolaieva Thanks for the review, Mr Watkins!
Currently reading the book. I'm a Crimson fan btw


Michele Great review - I found her story fascinating as I never knew much about her .


Francesca Ok Chad


message 41: by Beth (new) - rated it 5 stars

Beth Gastineau This is a fascinating about two people who lived for their art.


message 42: by Raymond (new)

Raymond Crane I always thought punk was a manufactured cult like hippiedom and far more trivial. America's I can appreciate may like Pattie Smith perhaps she is very honest in a spontanious kind of way, but the depth of maturity is not here, I felt this way back when she was mentioned in newspapers. I'm not about to start off in that direction, even for the sake of some nebulous nostalgia. Thanks.
Raymond Crane


Elizabeth Winterbottom Your review is perfect! Thank you. Just finished book today


Alison Really well said


message 45: by Ty (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ty Bender A very intimate glimpse into a cultural cauldron that helped shape the creative parameters of a generation. Smith’s intimate voice through her prose makes this book easy to connect with its subjects and settings. In a lot of ways it helped me understand Maplethorpe’s genius. It’s a little gem of a book.


message 46: by Lynn (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lynn Exactly how I felt, you nailed it!


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