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Dune (Dune Chronicles, #1)
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I can't explain what attracted me to Dune--the 1965 science fiction epic by Frank Herbert, winner of the first Nebula Award and (in a tie, with This Immortal by Roger Zelazny) the Hugo Award--any better than T.E. Lawrence could explain what attracted him to the Arabian Peninsula. The book's prestige among genre fans was a factor, as were admissions by many that they read it in junior high school and found Herbert accessible. As inclined as I am towards local coffeeshops, perhaps Herbert's head space while writing the novel in Santa Rosa, California from 1959-1965 appealed to me most. I could almost smell the incense burning.

The galactic intrigue begins in the year 10,191 with excerpts from writings by the Princess Irulan, daughter of the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV and a holder of literary pretensions. The princess offers some perspective at the beginning of each chapter, hipping the reader to what's happening behind the scenes. We're introduced to Paul Atreides, the 15-year-old heir of Duke Leto Atredies, a charismatic planetary governor of Caladan whose popularity among the noble houses of the universe has garnered the attention, and jealously, of the emperor. Setting a trap, he offers Leto the planet of Arrakis, the most valuable real estate in the universe.
Arrakis is inhospitable to all but titanic-sized sandworms and a fierce tribe of desert dwellers known as the Fremen, but produces the priceless spice melange. In a future where mankind no longer relies on computers, the spice is a transformative agent that expands consciousness: empowering the navigators of the Spacing Guild who travel through space, the savvy Mentats who advise heads of state and the bewitching Reverend Mothers of the Bene Gesserit sect who see the future. Leaving their ancestral home on the verdant Caladan for Arrakis with Paul is his mother, the Lady Jessica, the duke's concubine and a Bene Gesserit, who is a black sheep among the Reverend Mothers.
Thus spoke St. Alia-of-the-Knife: "The Reverend Mother must combine the seductive wiles of a courtesan with the untouchable majesty of a virgin goddess, holding these attributes in tension so long as the powers of her youth endure. For when youth and beauty have gone, she will find that the place-between, once occupied by tension, has become a wellspring of cunning and resourcefulness." -- FROM "MUAD'DIB, FAMILY COMMENTARIES" BY THE PRINCESS IRULAN
On moving day, Paul is visited by the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Jessica's teacher, for a rite of passage and a test. The old crone confronts Jessica, who defied the Bene Gesserit order that she bear a daughter the sect intended to marry off to Feyd-Rautha, heir to the House Harkonnen, the industrious enemies of House Atredies. The Bene Gesserit believed the progeny of such a pairing would have produced the Kwisatz Haderach, a male with the power to see through space and time as they do. Jessica opted to bear Duke Leto the boy he wanted instead. The Reverend Mother sees some potential in Paul, but offers no hope his father will live to an old age.
Paul's education is overseen by his father's advisors--Thufir Hawat (a Mentat), the troubadour-warrior Gurney Halleck, the swordmaster Duncan Idaho and Dr. Wellington Yueh--but mostly by the Lady Jessica, who has trained her son in Bene Gesserit meditative techniques. Arriving in the garrison town of Arrakeen, Jessica encounters a housekeeper named the Shadout Mapes who is full of Fremen superstitions, intrigued as to whether Jessica may be the One, mother to the messiah who their prophecy holds will lead their people out of slavery. After Paul saves the housekeeper's life from a Harkonnen booby trap intended for him, she confides to the boy that there is a traitor among them.
Duke Leto forges an alliance with the Fremen, using imperial planetolgist Liet Kynes--who's gone native on Arrakis--as a liaison. Operating with the blessing of the Emperor and the assistance of his Sardaukur troops, the gluttonous Baron Vladimir Harkonnen and his Mentat, Piter De Vries, attack Arrakeen after the traitor in the House Atredies lowers the garrison's shields for them. The Baron exiles the Lady Jessica and Paul so he can claim plausible deniability in their deaths, but mother and son find refuge with the Fremen, with the tribe's revered leader Stilgar and Kynes' daughter, Chani. Paul learns of the prophecy of Muad'Dib, the desert mouse, who the Fremen hold as their messiah.
Muad'Dib could indeed see the Future, but you must understand the limits of his power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation." -- FROM "ARRAKIS AWAKENING" BY THE PRINCESS IRULAN
Dune held me for over 616 of the paperback's 794 pages (appendixes, a map and an afterword by Brian Hebert stretch this edition to 883 pages) and in spite of its headlong dive into anticlimax, distilling the novel's pleasures have reminded me of what a fantastic trip it is. What separates Dune from the work of most of Herbert's peers is the finesse of its prose and the depth of its characters as well as its ideas, which in a novel of this size, are plenty. Rather than write a novel in six sleepless nights as many before and since have done in this genre, Herbert took six years to research and write his science fiction, and the quality control shows.
Names like "Beast" Rabban or Count Hasimir Fenrig materialized to form clear images of Herbert's characters in my mind, and I liked how each of them--whether noble, assassin or servant--served their institutions and played their part in this galactic intrigue to their end. No one in Dune remains static; there is work to be done or movement to be had at all times. The novel is like a chess game and the faster it plunged toward its climax, these characters did begin to resemble game tokens instead of humans. Herbert also writes entrances much better than he does exits--a symptom of book one in a series, perhaps--but envisions a wealth of roles for women in his universe.
Dune is science fiction and if you're in the market for having your imagination stretched, you came to the right place. I found Herbert's ideas to be vastly compelling, many of them explored in detail and at length with fluid prose, as if the author were an anthropologist reporting back on a real universe: A future where expanded consciousness is more powerful than any machine. A matriarchal religious sect steering the genetic future of mankind. A consciousness expanding spice exploited as a commodity. A planet so arid that special suits are required to retain the body's moisture and tears are a phenomenon. There's even song verse!
"This was a song of a friend of mine," Paul said. "I expect he's dead now, Gurney is. He called it his evensong."
The troop grew still, listening as Paul's voice lifted in a sweet boy tenor with the baliset tinkling and strumming beneath it:
"This clear time of seeing embers--
A gold-bright sun's lost in first dusk.
What frenzied senses, desp'rate musk
Are consort of rememb'ring."
Jessica felt the verbal music in her breast--pagan and charged with sounds that made her suddenly and intensely aware of herself, feeling her own body and its needs. She listened with a tense stillness.
“Night’s pearl-censered requi-em �
’Tis for us!
What joys run, then�
Bright in your eyes�
What flower-spangled amores
Pull at our hearts �
What flower-spangled amores
Fill our desires.�
And Jessica heard the after-stillness that hummed in the air with the last note. Why does my son sing a love song to that girl-child? she asked herself. She felt an abrupt fear. She could sense life flowing around her and she had no grasp of its reins. Why did he choose that song? she wondered. The instincts are true sometimes. Why did he do this?
After several abandoned attempts to adapt Dune to film, particularly in the wake of Star Wars, a big screen version produced by Raffaella De Laurentiis and written and directed by David Lynch opened in December 1984. Notable today for being the first big budget motion picture produced by a woman (with a production price tag of $40 million) and a rare studio assignment from the visionary who'd give the world Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks, the film was a commercial disappointment and was nearly universally panned by critics, but has resurfaced as a cult movie.
Shot in Mexico, the eclectic cast featured Kyle MacLachlan as Paul, Francesca Annis as Jessica, Jürgen Prochnow as Duke Leto, Freddie Jones as Thufir Hawat, Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck, Richard Jordan as Duncan Idaho, Dean Stockwell as Yueh, Kenneth McMillan as Baron Harkonnen, Brad Dourif as Piter De Vries, Sting as Feyd-Rautha, Linda Hunt as Shadout Mapes, Max Von Sydow as Dr. Kynes, Everett McGill as Stilgar, Sean Young as Chani and Virginia Madsen as Princess Irulan. Herbert's ideas are evocatively translated, but Lynch's commitment to imagery over story is an acquired taste.

The galactic intrigue begins in the year 10,191 with excerpts from writings by the Princess Irulan, daughter of the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV and a holder of literary pretensions. The princess offers some perspective at the beginning of each chapter, hipping the reader to what's happening behind the scenes. We're introduced to Paul Atreides, the 15-year-old heir of Duke Leto Atredies, a charismatic planetary governor of Caladan whose popularity among the noble houses of the universe has garnered the attention, and jealously, of the emperor. Setting a trap, he offers Leto the planet of Arrakis, the most valuable real estate in the universe.
Arrakis is inhospitable to all but titanic-sized sandworms and a fierce tribe of desert dwellers known as the Fremen, but produces the priceless spice melange. In a future where mankind no longer relies on computers, the spice is a transformative agent that expands consciousness: empowering the navigators of the Spacing Guild who travel through space, the savvy Mentats who advise heads of state and the bewitching Reverend Mothers of the Bene Gesserit sect who see the future. Leaving their ancestral home on the verdant Caladan for Arrakis with Paul is his mother, the Lady Jessica, the duke's concubine and a Bene Gesserit, who is a black sheep among the Reverend Mothers.
Thus spoke St. Alia-of-the-Knife: "The Reverend Mother must combine the seductive wiles of a courtesan with the untouchable majesty of a virgin goddess, holding these attributes in tension so long as the powers of her youth endure. For when youth and beauty have gone, she will find that the place-between, once occupied by tension, has become a wellspring of cunning and resourcefulness." -- FROM "MUAD'DIB, FAMILY COMMENTARIES" BY THE PRINCESS IRULAN
On moving day, Paul is visited by the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Jessica's teacher, for a rite of passage and a test. The old crone confronts Jessica, who defied the Bene Gesserit order that she bear a daughter the sect intended to marry off to Feyd-Rautha, heir to the House Harkonnen, the industrious enemies of House Atredies. The Bene Gesserit believed the progeny of such a pairing would have produced the Kwisatz Haderach, a male with the power to see through space and time as they do. Jessica opted to bear Duke Leto the boy he wanted instead. The Reverend Mother sees some potential in Paul, but offers no hope his father will live to an old age.
Paul's education is overseen by his father's advisors--Thufir Hawat (a Mentat), the troubadour-warrior Gurney Halleck, the swordmaster Duncan Idaho and Dr. Wellington Yueh--but mostly by the Lady Jessica, who has trained her son in Bene Gesserit meditative techniques. Arriving in the garrison town of Arrakeen, Jessica encounters a housekeeper named the Shadout Mapes who is full of Fremen superstitions, intrigued as to whether Jessica may be the One, mother to the messiah who their prophecy holds will lead their people out of slavery. After Paul saves the housekeeper's life from a Harkonnen booby trap intended for him, she confides to the boy that there is a traitor among them.
Duke Leto forges an alliance with the Fremen, using imperial planetolgist Liet Kynes--who's gone native on Arrakis--as a liaison. Operating with the blessing of the Emperor and the assistance of his Sardaukur troops, the gluttonous Baron Vladimir Harkonnen and his Mentat, Piter De Vries, attack Arrakeen after the traitor in the House Atredies lowers the garrison's shields for them. The Baron exiles the Lady Jessica and Paul so he can claim plausible deniability in their deaths, but mother and son find refuge with the Fremen, with the tribe's revered leader Stilgar and Kynes' daughter, Chani. Paul learns of the prophecy of Muad'Dib, the desert mouse, who the Fremen hold as their messiah.
Muad'Dib could indeed see the Future, but you must understand the limits of his power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation." -- FROM "ARRAKIS AWAKENING" BY THE PRINCESS IRULAN
Dune held me for over 616 of the paperback's 794 pages (appendixes, a map and an afterword by Brian Hebert stretch this edition to 883 pages) and in spite of its headlong dive into anticlimax, distilling the novel's pleasures have reminded me of what a fantastic trip it is. What separates Dune from the work of most of Herbert's peers is the finesse of its prose and the depth of its characters as well as its ideas, which in a novel of this size, are plenty. Rather than write a novel in six sleepless nights as many before and since have done in this genre, Herbert took six years to research and write his science fiction, and the quality control shows.
Names like "Beast" Rabban or Count Hasimir Fenrig materialized to form clear images of Herbert's characters in my mind, and I liked how each of them--whether noble, assassin or servant--served their institutions and played their part in this galactic intrigue to their end. No one in Dune remains static; there is work to be done or movement to be had at all times. The novel is like a chess game and the faster it plunged toward its climax, these characters did begin to resemble game tokens instead of humans. Herbert also writes entrances much better than he does exits--a symptom of book one in a series, perhaps--but envisions a wealth of roles for women in his universe.
Dune is science fiction and if you're in the market for having your imagination stretched, you came to the right place. I found Herbert's ideas to be vastly compelling, many of them explored in detail and at length with fluid prose, as if the author were an anthropologist reporting back on a real universe: A future where expanded consciousness is more powerful than any machine. A matriarchal religious sect steering the genetic future of mankind. A consciousness expanding spice exploited as a commodity. A planet so arid that special suits are required to retain the body's moisture and tears are a phenomenon. There's even song verse!
"This was a song of a friend of mine," Paul said. "I expect he's dead now, Gurney is. He called it his evensong."
The troop grew still, listening as Paul's voice lifted in a sweet boy tenor with the baliset tinkling and strumming beneath it:
"This clear time of seeing embers--
A gold-bright sun's lost in first dusk.
What frenzied senses, desp'rate musk
Are consort of rememb'ring."
Jessica felt the verbal music in her breast--pagan and charged with sounds that made her suddenly and intensely aware of herself, feeling her own body and its needs. She listened with a tense stillness.
“Night’s pearl-censered requi-em �
’Tis for us!
What joys run, then�
Bright in your eyes�
What flower-spangled amores
Pull at our hearts �
What flower-spangled amores
Fill our desires.�
And Jessica heard the after-stillness that hummed in the air with the last note. Why does my son sing a love song to that girl-child? she asked herself. She felt an abrupt fear. She could sense life flowing around her and she had no grasp of its reins. Why did he choose that song? she wondered. The instincts are true sometimes. Why did he do this?
After several abandoned attempts to adapt Dune to film, particularly in the wake of Star Wars, a big screen version produced by Raffaella De Laurentiis and written and directed by David Lynch opened in December 1984. Notable today for being the first big budget motion picture produced by a woman (with a production price tag of $40 million) and a rare studio assignment from the visionary who'd give the world Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks, the film was a commercial disappointment and was nearly universally panned by critics, but has resurfaced as a cult movie.
Shot in Mexico, the eclectic cast featured Kyle MacLachlan as Paul, Francesca Annis as Jessica, Jürgen Prochnow as Duke Leto, Freddie Jones as Thufir Hawat, Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck, Richard Jordan as Duncan Idaho, Dean Stockwell as Yueh, Kenneth McMillan as Baron Harkonnen, Brad Dourif as Piter De Vries, Sting as Feyd-Rautha, Linda Hunt as Shadout Mapes, Max Von Sydow as Dr. Kynes, Everett McGill as Stilgar, Sean Young as Chani and Virginia Madsen as Princess Irulan. Herbert's ideas are evocatively translated, but Lynch's commitment to imagery over story is an acquired taste.

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""I dreamed a cavern ... and water ... and a girl there--very skinny with big eyes. Her eyes are all blue, no whites in them. I talk to her and tell her about you, about seeing the Reverend Mother." Paul opened his eyes.
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Paul thought about this, then: "Yes. I tell the girl you came and put the stamp of strangeness on me.""
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"By all accounts," Yueh said. "They compose poems to their knives. Their women are as fierce as the men. Even Fremen children are violent and dangerous. You'll not be permitted to mingle with them, I daresay.""
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"Leto spoke impatiently. "Then use your own discretion in particular cases. Just remember that the treasury isn't bottomless. Hold to twenty per cent whenever you can. We particularly need spice drivers, weather scanners, dune men--any with open sand experience."
"I understand, Sire. 'They shall come all for violence, their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity of the sand.'""
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"I understand, Sire. 'They shall come all for violence, their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity of the sand.'""
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"Again, the Duke faced his son. "Arrakis has another advantage I almost forgot to mention. Spice is everything here. You breathe it and eat it in almost everything. And I find this imparts a certain natural immunity to some of the most common poisons of the Assassins' Handbook. We cannot kill off our population with poison--and we cannot be attacked this way, either. Arrakis makes us moral and ethical.""
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""Anything outside yourself, this you can see and apply your logic to it," she said. "But it's a human trait that when we encounter personal problems, those things most deeply personal are the most difficult to bring out for our logic to scan. We tend to flounder around, blaming everything but the actual, deep-seated thing that's really chewing on us.""
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"He found that he no longer could hate the Bene Gesserit or the Emperor or even the Harkonnens. They were all caught up in the need of their race to cross and mingle and infuse their bloodlines in a great new pooling of genes. And the race knew only one sure way for this--the ancient way, the tried and certain way that rolled over everything in its path: jihad.
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"Jessica felt her heart pounding. She forced herself to calmness, looked at the diminishing storm. Her time sense said they had ridden within that compounding of forces almost four hours, but part of her mind computed the passage as a lifetime. She felt reborn. It was like the litany, she thought. We faced it and did not resist. The storm passed through us and around us. It's gone, but we remain."
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""I am Alia, daughter of Duke Leto and the Lady Jessica, sister of Duke Paul-Muad'Dib," the child said. She pushed herself off the dais, dropped to the floor of the audience chamber. "My brother has promised to have your head atop his battle standard and I think he shall."
"Be hush, child," the Emperor said, and he sank back into his throne, hand to chin, studying the Baron."
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"Be hush, child," the Emperor said, and he sank back into his throne, hand to chin, studying the Baron."
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A subject matter expert on science fiction/horror I know raved about Dune and said he read it in junior high school. He added not to bother reading the series after the third book but said this one was great. So far, so good!



Thank you, Sonja. I recommend the novel, of course, but might also suggest reading Dune before it's

Thanks, Matthew! It's very encouraging to hear that I "got" a novel I finished this week from those who've likely read it years ago and had some time to think about it or do a re-read.

Thank you so much, Sharon. I'm really looking forward to your review! Dune wasn't even on my reading docket for this year, but something gripped me in the last couple of weeks to read it. I'm glad that I did.

May I use you as a reference, Kandice? Thank you so much for your supportive comments. I value them. Thinking of the audio book for Dune reminds me of video of actors auditioning for Star Wars and barreling through all of these far out names like they make sense.

First time I read this I remember practically wearing out the glossary in the back! I also remember that despite the movie being...not wonderful (to be kind), I was thrilled to finally know how things were actually pronounced.

This might help you see the David Lynch film version in a different light, Kandice. In hindsight, I have to agree that the cast, the music and many of the visuals are unforgettable, even if the sum of the parts don't quite add up.

Another convert, Jenny? Well, I think at the very least, reading Dune will give you something to discuss with your dad!

Thank you for commenting, Marita. I have a lot of catch-up to do with the literary giants.

I've seen that. But it doesn't address any of the issues I had with the film, already being a fan of the narrative. Remove five of Lynch's visual choices and you would have had a much better film, if still confusing to the uninitiated. The Baron's skin condition, heart plugs, suspension belts, Guild Navigator design (just looked stupid) and the horrible shield effect.


Not a shock, Michael, though when I think of Lucas and how enamored he is of vehicles and speed, all of that is antithetical to the table setting here. Herbert's emphasis on expanded consciousness and the Bene Gesserit might certainly have inspired aspects of The Force and the Jedi Knights, though.


Thank you, Nick! I have heard not to bother with anything beyond the first three books in the series. I haven't read that the producers plan to split the new adaptation into multiple movies, a la The Hobbit or It but judging by the David Lynch version, I do believe they could pull it off with a quality three-hour film. I don't want to see Denis Villeneuve fail and don't want to believe that the success of Star Wars is driving the producers just as it was in the 1980s. And this material is not Star Wars.


Thank you, Melissa. Your comments always include thoughtful questions. Troy has one of the greatest duels I've ever seen in a movie, . It's certainly leagues better than the duel in Dune, but is the highlight of a movie I can't bother with otherwise. The movie offers epic but unlike Gladiator, I never felt compelled by the characters. Paris is a jackass, Helen is a trophy bride, Achilles wants glory and Hector is like how can I go to another movie? It was just spectacle. I am a fan of Saffron Burrows (Andromache) and the legendary Julie Christie (Thetis) of course needs no introduction.

Years later, I convinced myself to look past the crappy treatment of Marcus (!!! SO CRAPPY !!!) and try to enjoy things I did like, such as cleaning wounds with maggots. That was the highlight of the film for me, and the music, and the authentic portrayal of the architecture of the Colosseum. I think the Colosseum stole the show. :)
With Troy, I loved that many of the most poignant moments in the poem/ballad/story -- Hector holding his son, the tenderness he shows his wife as well as his child -- were shown with care. I loved the dialogue Benioff wrote. I loved that it was clear that the sh*theads won and the good guys were destroyed. I loved how Achilles was first introduced, and his line to the frightened character watching him, too scared to fight, and how "that is why no one will remember your name." I can quote lines from "Troy" but I can't from "Gladiator." I just remember that Russell Crowe came up with the rubbing-the-soil-in-his-hands bit all on his own, as well as his "Strength and Honor" code that his character repeats through the film -- those were all Crowe additions, invented while filming on set.
(I also love the tenderness he expresses toward his religious icons, and how they are buried at the end, too. Great story moments.)
As to the sad sack characters of Troy, I always thought Paris was a jackass and Helen was a trophy bride. I always disliked Achilles, and viewed him as an egotistical f*ck. Ugh. Achilles. Ugh. To me, the 2004 movie delivered the people I always saw in the epic poem, with lots of pretty faces to match. Some scholars think The Iliad was actually written by a group of women, rather than a man, because its message is so anti-war/war-is-foolish, and because it emphasizes the foolishness of men and the killing of the "good guys." But I digress, sorry. I read "Meditations" as a college freshman before I saw "Gladiator" in the theater, and that opening scene in the film just turned me into Hulk Smash. >_< I cannot sometimes with Hollywood liberties. Unlike Trojan history, Marcus Aurelius lived during We Kept Written Records time. The portrayal of that man in "Gladiator" was epically insulting. Ugh. It still upsets me so much.




Thank you, Bianca. I think that Star Wars may retain children with greater results than adults, much like Harry Potter, but once that door is opened, it never closes. If you like musicals, the same suspension of disbelief required to accept people breaking into song or dance helps when aliens and spaceships are introduced, but Dune is certainly not for everyone. Before you give up on science fiction, I'd recommend Time and Again by Jack Finney, which is one of my favorite novels.

Give a few pages a try, Barbara, and see if you can find a doorway into this universe. You may not. This is not the novel I would insist on someone who wasn't really a science fiction fan. I'd start with something more earthbound, like Time and Again by Jack Finney. I'm happy that you enjoyed my book report. Thank you.

Thanks so much, Steven! I don't feel as if I've read nearly as much fiction as most readers active on the site, but Dune is one of those popular novels that feels like I've jumped ahead three spaces.

Give a few pages a try, Barbara, and see if you can find a doorway in..."
LOL. Yes, I am a SFF fan. And Time and Again was one of my first time travel stories ever! Adding Dune to my TBR. Thanks.

Oh, cool! I also enjoyed Jack Finney's short story collection, About Time: 12 Short Stories which are not all about time travel per se, but escape in some form.


Thank you so much, Cher. You are so right that being in the right frame of mind is important for novels like Dune. I'm not sure what that right mood may be, other than a sudden desire to visit Tomorrowland and ride Space Mountain. You will be blasted off and exposed to many far out things, I hope!

Thanks for the recommendation. The suspension of disbelief is amazingly subjective, I am perplexed at my own, why is it that for certain books I can easily suspend my disbelief, but not in other instances, even for the same genre of books, movies etc.
And what do you mean? You don't break into song and dance?!?!?!?! :-)

"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place." King Arthur (Graham Chapman), after the song and dance number in Monty Python and the Holy Grail


Thank you, Barbara. I dug the movie as an 11 year old and am reappreciating it as an adult. Everyone says they're tired of formula and want something new. Well, if nothing else, Dune is different.

Thank you, Adina. I see all the cool kids read Dune before me.

Thank you so much, Kandice. I'm thrilled that you're re-reading this novel. Dune is like a land war in Asia. It has attracted many filmmakers who can only get a foothold on the territory.

Should I be embarrassed to admit here publicly that I've read Dune three times, and I'm contemplating a fourth visit to Arrakis? I'm not, and these two lines of yours explain why I keep coming back for more: No one in Dune remains static; there is work to be done or movement to be had at all times. The novel is like a chess game and the faster it plunged toward its climax, these characters did begin to resemble game tokens instead of humans.
It's just imaginative story-telling at its best.

Arrakis is definitely an adventure travel destination, though I don’t know how much suntanning the sandworms would allow. I know that anyone who loves epic adventure would like this book. Thank you so much for sharing your passion for it.


I'm psyched that you were able to trek forth and enjoy this book, Lucie. It's not for everyone. I can think of several books or movies I felt disoriented by at the outset or were not what I expected. Sometimes you have to be in the right frame of mind to give yourself over to a storyteller and adjust to the terrain they've put you on. I watched M*A*S*H recently and encountered the same effect, but by the end of the movie, I knew the characters, was totally aligned with the spirit of the piece and didn't want the journey to end.