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Marie Antoinette by Stefan Zweig
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The writings of Stefan Zweig, who died over 70 years ago, are now enjoying a sort of resurgence as they are being published again and are being introduced to new generations of readers. Personally, I have now read four of his works this year including this biography, his autobiography, The World of Yesterday, and two works of fiction, Chess Story and Fantastic Night & Other Stories. In all these works, Zweig proves himself to be an excellent storyteller. He can write well and he has made the life of Marie Antoinette very interesting to one who is not at all expert in French history.

The early years of her life as Queen are not dealt with kindly but then it does not appear that there was much to be kind about. Noblesse oblige ruled the day with the royalty of France and MA certainly participated in that rule.


She liked to buzz hither and thither, to be always
beginning some new task which she would never finish, to
be continually occupied without any serious exertion; she
loved to feel that time was not standing still with her,
or that she was out-running time. To be quick at her meals,
content perhaps with eating a sweetmeat or two; to sleep
only for a short time, never to think long, to be perpetually
on the go, frittering away her days---such were her desires.
the twenty years, or rather less, during which Marie
Antoinette was Queen were characterized by an unceasing
movement in an orbit around her own ego. Since, outside
this orbit, she had no goal, nor any inward conviction of
an an aim, from the human and political standpoint she was
circling in the void.
(p 81)


As for the contrast between the king and queen:


He was heavy, she was light; he was inert, she was mobile;
he was dull, she was sparkling; his nerves were obtuse, hers
were sensitive....He was irresolute, she was quick to make
up her mind;...he was strictly religious, she was in love
with things of this world; he was modest and unassuming, she
was coquettishly self-assertive; he was pedantic, she was
frivolous; he was thrifty, she was extravagant....

(pp 82-83)


These character points would eventually come home to haunt the Queen, though she likely did not understand why. There are amazing descriptions of her spending excesses, all paid for by the people of France who were suffering.

Only twenty years later, after the maternal warnings of Maria Theresa in writing from Vienna or through her helpers went unheeded, did MA change when the Revolution forced change upon her.


"Tribulation first makes one realize what one is"---
this touching phrase, a sign that the writer had been
profoundly shaken, now appeared in one of her letters.
For two decades no warnings, not those of her mother nor
those of her friends, had any effect upon this defiant
spirit. Sorrow and suffering were her first teachers,
the only possible ones for a woman otherwise unteachable.

(p 270)


Unlike modern biographies and histories, there are no footnotes to this text nor is there a bibliography. Zweig does provide an endnote as to how he made the decision as to which letters to consider valid and which to consider fraudulent. Zweig also spends considerable time and effort on analyzing the psychology of the times and persons involved. He did live in the the time of, and was acquainted with, Freud. Whether this influenced his text is left to the reader to decide.

As for myself, I have decided that I shall label Zweig's work an "interpretive" biography. He does build on sources that cannot be checked but he also provides an extremely readable history of the French Revolution from the royals' point of view, culminating with the death of Marie Antoinette. I recommend it with the caveat that it be combined with other historical works.
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Reading Progress

July 12, 2014 – Shelved
July 12, 2014 – Shelved as: to-read
July 12, 2014 – Shelved as: library-book
July 12, 2014 – Shelved as: bio-memoir
July 12, 2014 – Shelved as: france
July 12, 2014 – Shelved as: austria
July 27, 2014 – Started Reading
July 27, 2014 –
page 20
4.2%
July 27, 2014 –
page 32
6.72% "During these seven years of impotence, the characters of the King and the Queen were warped, each in its own fashion---with political results which would be unintelligible had we no knowledge of the prime cause. The fate of this one marriage was intertwined with the fate of the world. (p. 24)"
July 29, 2014 –
page 59
12.39% ""Doubtless etiquette held sway at Schönbrunn, but it was not slavishly worshipped. In France, on the contrary, at a court full of affectation and grown old before its time, people no longer lived for life's sake but merely in order to show off....There was never a spontaneous gesture, and naturalness of any kind was an unpardonable offence against good taste." (p 35) Young MA bristled in this environment"
August 3, 2014 –
page 104
21.85% ""The best way of understanding the absurdity of her behaviour is to take a map of France and mark on it the narrow space in which she spent almost all the years of her reign....The area is so confined that upon a small-scaled map it shrinks to little more than a point. From Versailles to Trianon, to Marly, to Fontainebleau, to Saint-Cloud, and to Rambouillet, six places in all---separated...from...by...a few leagues"
August 3, 2014 –
page 104
21.85% ""pg 93 "Even though she squandered her energies upon trifles, her existence had its peculiar significance, in that it was a fitting expression of and an appropriate close to the eighteenth century.""
August 7, 2014 –
page 156
32.77% ""In its exclusiveness and indifference, Versailles had cut itself off so completely from the real France that it was wholly unaware of the new currents of thought which were agitating the and....The new bourgeois had been taught by Jean Jacques Rousseau that they possessed rights...Those of their order who returned...after taking part in the American War of Independence brought tidings of a remarkable country...p 146"
August 11, 2014 –
page 248
52.1% ""It was no private concern that was under discussion, but the grave political issue, whether the Parliament of Paris still regarded the Queen's person as sacred,as inviolable, or as subject to the laws of the State just like that of any other French citizen, male or female." (p 192) The beginning of the end."
August 13, 2014 –
page 332
69.75% ""If two simple, light, inconspicuous carriages...had driven away, no one would have paid any attention to these ordinary vehicles....The royal family would have made its way to the frontier without attracting remark....But the greatest of all the mistakes was this. If the King and the Queen had to drive for four-and-twenty hours, even to get out of hell, they must drive comfortably." And Fersen built a huge chariot."
August 16, 2014 –
page 374
78.57% ""during the French Revolution, to begin with, idealism had the upper hand. The National Assembly, composed of nobles and bourgeois...wished to help the common people, to liberate the masses; but the liberated masses, when their forces had been unchained, speedily turned against the liberators. During the second phase...the radical elements, the spiteful revolutionists, gained the upper hand." (p 371)"
August 16, 2014 –
page 476
100.0% "The life of Marie Antoinette is over but in some ways her story lives on....often almost fable."
August 16, 2014 – Shelved as: read-2014
August 17, 2014 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Tajma (new) - added it

Tajma Let me know what you think of this one, Sue. I don't have a great deal of interest in her outside of the context of the Revolution but Zweig seems as of he'd be a worthy biographer.


message 2: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue I will do that. So far it's very readable. I understand the Fraser book is very good too. the link below is to a discussion of the book that got me interested in starting the book now. It is quite detailed and I don't know whether that would help or hinder you in making a decision.


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message 3: by Tajma (new) - added it

Tajma Very readable is the magic phrase when it comes to biographies.


message 4: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Tajma wrote: "Very readable is the magic phrase when it comes to biographies."

So true.


message 5: by Kalliope (last edited Aug 18, 2014 06:08AM) (new)

Kalliope I liked the one by Fraser. She really develops the character from her early youth to the mature woman.


message 6: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Thanks for this, Sue. You give us an idea of how Zweig builds his portrait, how he interprets from the letters and other evidence. The quotes read like fiction, neatly worked out, the facts modeled to fit the metaphors he's chosen. I like the style.


message 7: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue I think I want to read Fraser's bio, Kalliope. .definitely more interested in the era now than I ever have been before.


message 8: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue I'm glad you found this helpful, Fionnuala. I did enjoy reading this very much. I also read Mantel's A Place of Greater Safety this year, and, aside from A Tale of Two Cities read in high school, I think this is the sum total of my reading on the French Revolution. French history is a major gap area in my learning.

While Zweig does seem to have fictionalized elements in this bio, he also does appear to use the broad base of reality as much as possible. Another element I appreciated was his proximity to Vienna where some resources may have been located and the fact that, in his youth, there may have been some people still alive who were only second-hand to the participants in all of this. And Zweig did meet many people in Europe in his travels.

Of course this is my somewhat romantic speculation...and it's fun.


message 9: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Sue wrote: "I'm glad you found this helpful, Fionnuala. I did enjoy reading this very much. I also read Mantel's A Place of Greater Safety this year, and, aside from A Tale of Two Cities read in high school, I..."

It's interesting that A Place of Greater Safety was possibly more fictionalised than Zweig's account but Mantel manages to make it read like a documentary all the same. I enjoyed it a lot.


message 10: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Mantel is amazing. I thought that was an excellent book and really liked the way she incorporated virtual logs from meetings, created "you are there" type conversations, etc. Mantel certainly sets a new standard for historical fiction.


message 11: by Diane (new)

Diane Barnes I'm going to pass on this one, but will definitely read the Mantel.


message 12: by Sue (last edited Aug 18, 2014 03:28PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Diane wrote: "I'm going to pass on this one, but will definitely read the Mantel."

The Mantel is excellent, Diane.


Ce Ce I think "interpretive" biography describes Zweig's Marie Antoinette perfectly, Sue. It's been a wonderful reading journey with you & Teresa.


message 14: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Ce Ce wrote: "I think "interpretive" biography describes Zweig's Marie Antoinette perfectly, Sue. It's been a wonderful reading journey with you & Teresa."

Thanks Ce Ce. I've enjoyed it very much and I'm so glad I joined you both. We'll definitely have to do this again! (Note the punctuation)


Ce Ce Sue wrote: "(Note the punctuation)"

LOL!!!!!!!!!


Teresa Now wait a minute! Y'all need me for the exclamation party!


message 17: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Indeed we do!! I think you started it!!


Teresa Sue wrote: "Indeed we do!! I think you started it!!"

I did! I accept the blame!


message 19: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Teresa wrote: "Sue wrote: "Indeed we do!! I think you started it!!"

I did! I accept the blame!"


or credit!


message 20: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Oh I would love to see Peabody and Sherman. It has been far too long.

Apparently the whole "cake" thing simply didn't happen though, although the concept of how the royals lived versus how the average citizens lived made for a brutal comparison and the royals were totally oblivious.

I think my library may have some of those old TV shows. I must check.


Teresa Just don't watch the latest movie, Sue -- by all accounts, it was terrible.

Zweig doesn't even mention it, not even to deny it. I wonder if it wasn't a 'legend' then as it is now.


message 22: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Teresa wrote: "Just don't watch the latest movie, Sue -- by all accounts, it was terrible.

Zweig doesn't even mention it, not even to deny it. I wonder if it wasn't a 'legend' then as it is now."


I was thinking that too, Teresa, that that may have been a modern phrase made for the video and TV and movie age. I would think he would have at least referred to it if it was current when he was writing.

Thanks for the warning about the movie. I am really thinking about the old tv show I remember from the 50s and maybe the early 60s.


Teresa The phrase seems to have been around much earlier than MA. Interesting accounts at the wiki entry:




message 24: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Thanks Teresa. I'm always slow on the Wiki search. Interesting that the phrase definitely pre-dates MA and may be so much older.


message 25: by Tajma (new) - added it

Tajma Sue wrote: "Oh I would love to see Peabody and Sherman. It has been far too long.

Apparently the whole "cake" thing simply didn't happen though, although the concept of how the royals lived versus how the ave..."


I remember being disappointed when I found out that she never delivered that line. It is divine in its simplicity.


message 26: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Tajma wrote: "Sue wrote: "Oh I would love to see Peabody and Sherman. It has been far too long.

Apparently the whole "cake" thing simply didn't happen though, although the concept of how the royals lived versus..."


Indeed. It's one of those "would have been Perfect" if it had actually happened moments.


Teresa And I liked it when I heard she hadn't said it. It made her seem more 'real.'


message 28: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Teresa wrote: "And I liked it when I heard she hadn't said it. It made her seem more 'real.'"

Actually I found that Zweig has made her seem more human for me in spite of her aloofness from so much of life. She really wasn't raised to be part of the "real" world.

I know what you mean Teresa...it certainly makes her seem more human to find that she never said it.


Teresa Sue wrote: "She really wasn't raised to be part of the "real" world."

And despite her mother's efforts ...


message 30: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Teresa wrote: "Sue wrote: "She really wasn't raised to be part of the "real" world."

And despite her mother's efforts ..."


True...


Ce Ce Teresa wrote: "The phrase seems to have been around much earlier than MA. Interesting accounts at the wiki entry:

"


Thanks so much Teresa. I've never searched.


Christian Noblesse oblige meant actually the contrary: as part of the aristocracy you were expected to have more moral standards and behave correctly, to honor the name you were bearing


message 33: by Sue (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sue Christian, yes, I stand corrected. I do admit that I have frequently heard the phrase used sarcastically for those who act contrary to their supposed place while thinking they are truly noblesse oblige.


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