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For 20.9 are we to read from only one of the sections, or do we have to read a book for a, b, and c?

Another thing, I tried to access the cyberpunk reading list, but I was unable to do so. Can somebody please give me an idea of what was on the list? The site was timing out when I was trying access it.

For 20.9, you read a book for any one of the three options. Of course, you can do the task more than once. Below is a cached version of the cyberpunk list which may pull up easier.

For Quotable Titles, can the title include the title of another book like Reading Lolita in Tehran or ? What if they used a title already used because the topic is similar. ie John Zimmerman wrote a book of travels called Innocents Abroad after Mark Twain's book by the same name.

I've read The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson but which date to I count for Style points. This particular collection of her poems was published in 1955 although she died in 1886. The poems were written in the 1850's -1860's.

Rebekah wrote: "I've read The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson but which date to I count for Style points. This particular collection of her poems was published in 1955 although she died in 1886. Th..."

Generally, you should go by the original publication date. This one is tricky, though:

From wiki "Despite Dickinson's prolific writing, fewer than a dozen of her poems were published during her lifetime. After her younger sister Lavinia discovered the collection of nearly eighteen hundred poems, Dickinson's first volume was published four years after her death. Until the 1955 publication of Dickinson's Complete Poems by Thomas H. Johnson, her poems were considerably edited and altered from their manuscript versions."

I'm going to say split the difference and use the 1860-1934 (10 points) time frame, as some of the poems would have been written and the majority of them published (albeit heavily edited) in this time frame.

Rebekah wrote: "For Quotable Titles, can the title include the title of another book like Reading Lolita in Tehran or ? What if they used a title already used because the topic is similar. ie John Zimm..."

If the book deliberately quotes a the complete title of another novel in it's title, I'll take it.

Liz Vegas wrote: "I am reading The Complete Poems of Emily Jane Brontë.

The actual book was published in 1995. However, the poems within were all written between 1836-1846.

Am I correct in assuming t..."

What is it with these Emily's & their confusing publication dates?

According to wiki, "In 1846, the sisters' poems were published in one volume as Poems by Currer, Ellis, and Acton Bell. The Brontë sisters had adopted pseudonyms for publication: Charlotte was Currer Bell, Emily was Ellis Bell and Anne was Acton Bell."

Use the 1846 date when claiming oldies points.

Thanks, Liz for the answers.

Here's another question,
Isn't Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut a cyberpunk novel?

Rebekah wrote: "Thanks, Liz for the answers.

Here's another question,
Isn't Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut a cyberpunk novel?"

Only the novels listed on the webpage count for task 10.3-cyberpunk! Cat's Cradle is not on that list.

Liz M wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "I've read The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson but which date to I count for Style points. This particular collection of her poems was published in 1955 although she ..."

So, would this book fit into poetry pre-20th century or post 19th century when collecting task points?

Kate wrote: "So, would this book fit into poetry pre-20th century or post 19th century when collecting task points? ..."

pre-20th.

Liz M wrote: "Kate wrote: "So, would this book fit into poetry pre-20th century or post 19th century when collecting task points? ..."

pre-20th."

thanks for the quick response :)

I'm wondering about a choice for Quotable Quotes:

In Cold Blood: A True Account of a Multiple Murder and Its Consequences

The book appears on the linked list. As far as I know, "in cold blood" is a quote from the law/legal standard, but I'm wondering if there's a different source or if that source is acceptable for this task.

Joanna wrote: "I'm wondering about a choice for Quotable Quotes:

In Cold Blood: A True Account of a Multiple Murder and Its Consequences

The book appears on the linked list. As far as I know,..."

I think this is one of the books on the list that doesn't qualify. I intended the quote to be another work of literature , but wasn't clear when I originally worded the task (and had subsequently ruled out song lyrics).

Liz M wrote: "Joanna wrote: "I'm wondering about a choice for Quotable Quotes:

In Cold Blood: A True Account of a Multiple Murder and Its Consequences

The book appears on the linked list. As far..."

Hi Joanna: It will work for Task 10.1 as it was a Group Reads for last Challenge. (I don't know if you've finished Task 10.1 yet.)

Hey Liz:

I have a question about a book for your "Quotable Quotes" task. I was just looking at the National Book Critics award winners list and The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration won for non-fiction.

Here's an excerpt from the blurb about the book, "Isabel Wilkerson, The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration (Random House), a magisterial work, taking its title from a poem by Richard Wright
..."

Would that qualify the book for your task?

Thanks! -Krista

Krista wrote: "Hey Liz:

I have a question about a book for your "Quotable Quotes" task. I was just looking at the National Book Critics award winners list and [book:The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Stor..."

Yep.

Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz:

I have a question about a book for your "Quotable Quotes" task. I was just looking at the National Book Critics award winners list and [book:The Warmth of Other Suns: ..."

Wunderbar! I've been trying to figure out how to work this book in. This will be a great fit.

ok no Vonnegut for cyberpunk. I really haven't figured out the genre compared to Science Fiction unless it's that there seeems to be more dispair with a computer involved? Having that list makes it easier.

Now I have a an "oh Poo-poo!" thing. I ordered Susan Rich's book of poetry from my libray. I wanted to use her for the modern poetry because she was a Peace Corp volunteer. Now I see there are onky 97.5 pages of poems! Can I please still use her? My library doesn't have any other of her books. I could read it twice!

I was bummed out because I read Twilight for a Spring Cleaning task, thinking I would get a jumbo bonus. When I finished it I realized it only had 498 pages...the next few pages was a teaser for the next book in the series. ohh Maannnnnn(in a whiney voice)
Oh well. I'll still use it but haven't decided which category I'll use yet.

You can use it for Supernatural or Romance categories.

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "You can use it for Supernatural or Romance categories."

Right. I just haven't decided which place to put it yet. Depends on what other books i read that would fit that I might read.

But the Poetry book looked good. She has other poetry books but not in my Library system

Rebekah wrote: "Now I have a an "oh Poo-poo!" thing. I ordered Susan Rich's book of poetry from my libray. I wanted to use her for the modern poetry because she was a Peace Corp volunteer. Now I see there are onky 97.5 pages of poems! Can I please still use her? My library doesn't have any other of her books. I could read it twice! ..."

how about e-reading 3-5 additional poems? If you can find some poetry by her on the web that are not included in the book, I'll accept it. Or spend an afternoon at a bookstore reading one of her other books of poems.

A short while ago, Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ introduced genre pages. You can reach it on this link, but even better is the "genre" link under your Explore tab.

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

Sam wrote: "Coralie wrote: "The cyberpunk list includes The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. I have recently read the first half of this Shadow & Claw although I didn't claim it f..."

Sam,
Originally I thought I would be reading Sword & Citadel as one book, but now I find I will be reading them as two separate books The Sword of the Lictor and The Citadel of the Autarch. Can I count each book separately under 10.3, or only once when I have completed all of The Book of the New Sun?

Question, when it comes to the pre and post poetry tasks. what page count are we going with? 100 page count or 200 page count?

Another question, I am reading a collection of poems by Emily Dickenson. I wikipediaed her to see when her poems were first published and got the year 1890. Can I use that year to claim oldies points since they were first published in that year?

Liz M wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "Now I have a an "oh Poo-poo!" thing. I ordered Susan Rich's book of poetry from my libray. I wanted to use her for the modern poetry because she was a Peace Corp volunteer. Now I se..."

Thanks, LizM! Liked the bookshop ideas. When it is Valentine's Day or our anniversary, My dh and I go to a drugstore. we pick out cards for each other. Exchange them, read them, then put them back!LOL Our house is already filled with too much clutter and the price of them has gone through the roof!

Another poetry time period question. Poems by John Keats

written in the 1820's but this collection printed in 1906

Rebekah wrote: "Another poetry time period question. Poems by John Keats

written in the 1820's but this collection printed in 1906"

20.6 - Pre-20th Century Poetry
Read a book of poetry written before 1900.

20.7 - Post-19th Century Poetry
Read a book of poetry written after 1900.

For the poetry tasks, because there are so many variations in publishing dates of poetry collections, the time period is determined by when the poems were written. If the creation period is unknown, I'll make a judgment call (based on author's lifetime and/or earliest publication dates). If the poetry in a collection was written from 1890-1910, umm, well, don't read it? :D I will sort it out when/if that particular case occurs.

The bonus points for the oldies time-periods are usually based on publication dates & the time periods don't line up with tasks 20.6 & 20.7. Again, I expect to have to make judgment calls. Please be patient & I will explain my reasoning for determining time periods & hopefully will manage to be fair/consistent.

Please don't hesitate to ask questions & I (and Krista and Sam) will try to answer in a reasonable time-frame.

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "Another question, I am reading a collection of poems by Emily Dickenson. I wikipediaed her to see when her poems were first published and got the year 1890. Can I use that year to claim oldies poin..."

Deja vu. i feel like I answered this one already...... Ah there it is!

Please see post 105.

Sorry....What about Carl Sandburg: Selected Poems? Pub in 1999 but Carl Sandburg died in 1967.

Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was printed in the front of the book:

"Unless some sweetness at the bottome lie, who cares for all the crinkling of the pie?" (William King, "The Art of Cookery", 1708)

I know it's not an exact quote. I'm just checking to see if I can perhaps claim combo points with this book for your task.

Thanks for reviewing it for me!

Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was printed in the front of the book:

"Unless so..."

Unfortunately, the task requires an exact quote (For example, I disallowed Something Rotten as it is a paraphrase).

Rebekah wrote: "Sorry....What about Carl Sandburg: Selected Poems? Pub in 1999 but Carl Sandburg died in 1967."

"This new collection of Sandburg's poetry, which includes four previously unpublished Lincoln poems, contains selections from all of Sandburg's previous volumes."

Sandburg was publishing from 1904-1967 & therefore should be used for Task 20.7. As The Complete Poems (for which he won a Pulitzer) was published in 1950, I am going to say he qualifies for 5 oldies points (1935-1985).

Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was printed in the front of the book..."

Along this same line, I am reading two books that might qualify for combo points for quotes if you are counting traditional rhymes as literature, but I didn't know if that would be more like the song lyrics that didn't count. One's "Ring Around a Rosy" and the other is "Tom, Tom the Piper's Son" from Mother Goose. What's the verdict?

Karen GHHS wrote: "Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was printed in the fro..."

Can you provide book links or author's names? I need to do a little research to see if these works deliberately quote a work of literature.

Liz -

One, Two, Buckle My Shoe is one, the initial page of which quotes the entire rhyme.

Liz M wrote: "Karen GHHS wrote: "Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was..."

Sure, but don't spend a lot of time on it. I haven't read either of them yet, but I don't think either book has the rhyme quoted as a reference in the front of the book at least. I'm afraid the reference is either implied or embedded in the text of the story. I can do without the 5 combo points if it causes a lot of work!

We All Fall Down
The Piper's Son

Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. This quote was printed in the front of the book..."

Hey Liz -- thanks for your quick response. Your answer is completely understood, and what I pretty much expected. But you have to scrounge for those points where you can. :-)

Cheers! -Krista

Yep - Karen's scrounging on Mother Goose may have found me an extra 5 points, because, frankly I hadn't considered it. I'm also going to be reading Hickory Dickory Dock: A Hercule Poirot Mystery (Hercule Poirot Mysteries, but on the copyright page it indicates this one was originally published as Hickory Dickory Death.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Liz -

One, Two, Buckle My Shoe is one, the initial page of which quotes the entire rhyme."

Yes to this. The book specifically is quoting a work of literature & is an exact quote.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Yep - Karen's scrounging on Mother Goose may have found me an extra 5 points, because, frankly I hadn't considered it. I'm also going to be reading [book:Hickory Dickory Dock: A Hercule Poirot Myst..."

Oh what the heck, yes to this since the version you read has the exact quote.

Thanks, Liz!

Karen GHHS wrote: "Liz M wrote: "Karen GHHS wrote: "Liz M wrote: "Krista wrote: "Hey Liz -- I'm wondering if this quote fits the bill for your task. It's for The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie. ..."

Yes to both, as they are exact quotes of nursery rhymes and the themes of the books seem to tie into the nursery rhyme quoted.

Nursery Rhymes, like poetry, should be heard aloud, but are encountered as written works (unlike songs which are primarily listened to, not read).

Thanks, Liz-- I love those combo points!

Liz M wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "Sorry....What about Carl Sandburg: Selected Poems? Pub in 1999 but Carl Sandburg died in 1967."

"This new collection of Sandburg's poetry, which includes four previous..."

Fair enough!

I have a question about the Quotable Quotes task...

Would A Thousand Splendid Suns work if the actual quote was The Thousand Splendid Suns?

Here is what Wikipedia says about it:
The title of the book comes from a line in the Josephine Davis translation of the poem "Kabul",[5] by the 17th-century Iranian poet Saib-e-Tabrizi:
Every street of Kabul is enthralling to the eye
Through the bazaars, caravans of Egypt pass
One could not count the moons that shimmer on her roofs
And the thousand splendid suns that hide behind her walls

I know it is posted what the monimal Lexile score can be, but now I can't find it.

Rebekah wrote: "I know it is posted what the monimal Lexile score can be, but now I can't find it."

It's 700. I look up a lot of them ;)

Copied from the Iambic Pentameter folder:
re the Liz's Quotable Quotes Task 20.8:

"..and for another type of combo, Tender Is the Night comes from a line in Keats' Ode to the Nightingale

Though the dull brain perplexes and retards:
Already with thee! tender is the night,
And haply the Queen-Moon is on her throne,
Cluster'd around by all her starry Fays;"

--- For more options and Style points ---
Tender Is the Night is on the Penquin list (Task 10.8), and it's a Canon book.