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Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Imagine 19th century Russian literature as a loud boisterous party. Here's Pushkin, basking in the center of attention, charming up all the ladies. Here are Chekhov and Gogol at the heart of a passionate intellectual argument. Here's Count Tolstoy, busily serving canapés while rejoicing in the pleasure of work, stopping only to chat about the pleasures of countryside with Turgenev.

But where's Dostoyevsky? Oh, there he is, sitting by himself in a dark corner, dead broke after a high-stakes cards game, giving you the unsettling intense heavy glare that easily penetrates right into the darkest best-guarded secrets of your soul, the glare that clearly says 'been there, done that, been repulsed by what I saw.' And if he looks like he's judging you, it's because he is. And you deserve it, probably.

Fyodor Mikhailovich, you don't make liking you easy, do you?


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This book is brilliant. Unpleasant and hard to read, disturbing and unsettling, and really brilliant. But before I go into my long-winded discussion, let me get this off my chest, for the honesty purposes and full disclosure:
I finally can admit - I don't "get" Dostoyevsky. Perhaps my mind is a tad too shallow for his literary depths; perhaps my inner ball of sunshine deep deep inside refuses to see the world through Dostoyevsky's disillusioned glare.

But I don't need to "get" him to know the greatness when I see it, to respect his sharp writing, his keenly observant eye that does not let anything slip away, and his scarily clear perceptions of people and the layers in which they dress up their otherwise petty and pathetic selves.
In this short and strange book, Dostoyevsky manages to create perhaps the most disturbing image of a human being in the entire 19th century literature. Let me jot down just a few of the epithets that came pouring into my head with every page I read: petty, bitter, miserly, resentful, selfish, pitiful, entitled, cruel, deeply unpleasant and frankly miserable. The person who finds disgusting satisfaction in little acts of petty nastiness. The person who perversely enjoys stewing in self-imposed misery and figurative self-flagellation over every perceived slight, building exquisite mountains out of molehills. The person who would thrive on humiliating others, but if unable to achieve that would just as happily thrive on self-humiliation and self-loathing. The person who in the confines of his little mind hides a true despot, but gets his sense of self-worth by assuming that everyone else is beneath his miserable but clearly enlightened and misunderstood self - despite the world pointing to the contrary. The person who'd quietly spit into your bowl if you haven't offered to share it with him - and then will internally torment himself for years over the act, feeling that the act of torment is enough to elevate him out of the mud.
The person who, in ramblings about how rotten society is helps it rot a little bit more.

In short, he created a character the sheer mention of whom makes me want to take a shower and wash all of the above off me.

He created a character that with all of the above scarily reminds you of so many people you know - and maybe sometimes even yourself.

And that's what really disturbing about it.




And this disturbing part is exactly what makes me from time to time abandon the fun bits of the Russian literature party and instead join Fyodor Mikhailovich in his dark gloomy corner for a minute or so. Because he makes me, unpleasant as it is, take a long critical look at myself, so that I can try to keep myself out of this "underground". Because he "gets" to me even if I don't quite "get" him.

Because it's not a story, it's a mirror, and you have to work hard to make it not be so.

I don't know how to rate this book. I did not enjoy it (how can you?) but it made a sizeable imprint on my soul. Stars are irrelevant here, so I'll randomly pick something. 4?

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Written in Munich airport, stuck on an unscheduled 20hr layover, with almost no sleep and beginnings of jet lag.
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May 3, 2010 – Shelved
September 22, 2014 – Started Reading
September 28, 2014 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Lyn (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lyn I need to read this one again


message 2: by Becky (new)

Becky Best disclaimer to a review lol. Surprise layovers are the worst


Joey Dhaumya "Because it's not a story, it's a mirror, and you have to work hard to make it not be so."

I stopped reading anything for a couple of weeks after reading this book. The slightest whisps of being like the underground man were terrifying prospects. Rarely has a book made me this introspective.


Nataliya Joey wrote: ""Because it's not a story, it's a mirror, and you have to work hard to make it not be so."

I stopped reading anything for a couple of weeks after reading this book. The slightest whisps of being l..."


Oh, I had to stop multiple times while reading this book, any time I was about to say, "Hey, I agree! Me too!" - and then realize in horror what that implies. Dostoyevsky sure knew how to write unsettling books, didn't he?

Becky wrote: "Best disclaimer to a review lol. Surprise layovers are the worst"

I know! On a bright side, I'm an expert at saying "Hallo" in German now. And thanks to my job, my skills of being able to fall asleep anywhere on demand came in quite handy.

Lyn wrote: "I need to read this one again"

You do! And I'll be waiting for you to review it.


message 5: by Elizabeth R (new)

Elizabeth R Oh good lord. Hope the flights go better from here on out! This made me want to read 19th c. Russian lit, something I have never wanted to do, until the part where you described the character. I can't handle unlikeable characters if they are at the center of a book. See also: Gillian Flynn. Excellent review.


Nataliya Thanks, Elizabeth! As for 19th century Russian literature, I'd recommend Chekhov - the man was a brilliant writer (and a doctor, so I'm biased).


message 7: by Cristina (new)

Cristina This is why I love Dostoyevsky. He takes you on such an exhausting journey, at the end of which you feel like coming out of a hellhole into the light.

I actually read most of this book while waiting at the dentist's office (I don't know why this bit of information stuck with me) and I found certain parts strangely funny.


message 8: by FrankH (last edited Sep 29, 2014 12:13PM) (new)

FrankH Nice review, Nataliya, and kudos to you for reaching out to the disaffected party-goer! There are a number of these bilious types appearing as minor characters in 'The Idiot'. But why did D. sanction their complaints and ill temper by giving them voice? Part of the Russian zeitgeist of the time? Prelude to the Revolution? Or is all this about the personality of the author?


Cheryl Brilliant review, Nataliya--I had to laugh out loud at your second paragraph. Now I can't wait to tackle this one.


message 10: by Justin (new)

Justin I think books should have warnings no less than medication bottles. This one would read: contraindicated for sufferers of major depressive disorder or nihilism, NOS.


Nataliya Cristina wrote: "I actually read most of this book while waiting at the dentist's office (I don't know why this bit of information stuck with me) and I found certain parts strangely funny."

It probably stuck with you because he keeps talking about toothache and how certain people can perversely enjoy it since their suffering can make others suffer as well. That seems, ahem, a memorable statement in the dentist's waiting room.


message 12: by Cristina (new)

Cristina Nataliya wrote: "Cristina wrote: "I actually read most of this book while waiting at the dentist's office (I don't know why this bit of information stuck with me) and I found certain parts strangely funny."

It pro..."


Haha, you're probably right, though I don't remember the toothache parts very clearly.


message 13: by Nataliya (last edited Oct 02, 2014 11:08PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nataliya FrankH wrote: "Nice review, Nataliya, and kudos to you for reaching out to the disaffected party-goer! There are a number of these bilious types appearing as minor characters in 'The Idiot'. But why did D. sancti..."

I try, I try ;)
Dostoyevsky is sure prone to portraying all kinds of petty, nasty, bilious characters. Maybe it's because his life was rather hard and as a result he lost his illusions about most of the humanity?


message 14: by Mosca (last edited Dec 04, 2014 07:42AM) (new) - added it

Mosca Thank you, Nataliya.

Throughout my long life I have been repeatedly defeated by Dostoyevsky, that is unable to go on and complete any book.

You have motivated me to attempt the master once again.

>:)


message 15: by Steve (new)

Steve This may be the best sleep-deprived review I've ever read. Insightful and personalized in a fun and appealing way.


message 16: by Teresa (new)

Teresa Great, great review, Nataliya. I don't know that I could sit with Dostoyevsky at a party, but I love reading him for his psychological insights; he digs so deep into the psyche.

This novella was not an 'easy' read, but it was certainly worth it. I remember thinking that just about anyone would find parts of himself here (even if he would rather not), esp. the self that one struggled with in adolescence. (I gave it 4 stars too.)


message 17: by Nataliya (last edited Dec 05, 2014 10:43AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nataliya Teresa wrote: "Great, great review, Nataliya. I don't know that I could sit with Dostoyevsky at a party, but I love reading him for his psychological insights; he digs so deep into the psyche.

This novella was n..."


Thanks, Teresa.
Dostoyevsky does tend to hold a mirror to us, and looking into it can be quite uncomfortable and disturbing.

Steve wrote: "This may be the best sleep-deprived review I've ever read. Insightful and personalized in a fun and appealing way."

Thanks, Steve. I tend to write quite a few sleep-deprived reviews; it seems that chronic sleep deprivation is slowly becoming my lifestyle...

Mosca wrote: "Thank you, Nataliya.

Throughout my long life I have been repeatedly defeated by Dostoyevsky, that is unable to go on and complete any book.

You have motivated me to attempt the master once again...."


Thanks, Mosca. I hope this will be *the* Dostoyevsky for you!


message 18: by Javier (new)

Javier I really love your review. I enjoy your description about the russian literature as a party. The russian lit is one of my favorites!


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

can i copy paste your review ?


message 20: by Alex (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alex 100% accurate. Best review I have read.


message 21: by d (new) - rated it 5 stars

d it sounds like you haven't read anything else by Dostoevsky if you think he judges everybody in a bad way. I think you're mistaking the writer for his character...
try reading Notes from a Dead House, you'll see that he is actually the polar opposite of someone who only sees the bad in everyone. that's actually the wrongest statement about Dostoevsky I've ever heard.


Nataliya Dina wrote: "it sounds like you haven't read anything else by Dostoevsky if you think he judges everybody in a bad way. I think you're mistaking the writer for his character...
try reading Notes from a Dead Hou..."


Actually, I've read quite a few books by Dostoevsky. And nowhere did I mention that he judges anyone in a bad way. I think he just had an uncanny way of seeing people how they are and not how they would prefer to be seen, and that's what makes us characterizations so apt. He sees it all - the good and the bad, and does not flatter. That's what I like about his writing.


message 23: by Daza (new)

Daza Imagine Gogol's nose running up to Dostoevsky. Starts pulling his beard and asking "why so serious"


Gustav Dinsdag I take of my hat to you. Being stuck on an airport dead tired can absolutely be a good thing!


Nitesh Brilliant and very insightful review.


James I want to go to this party.


Nataliya James wrote: "I want to go to this party."

I’m issuing you an admission pass to the coolest Russian literature imaginary party. Come join us - I’ll be hanging out with Chekhov somewhere.


James Amazing. Find me with Gogol, stealing cautious but adoring glances at Dostoevsky in that corner.


Nataliya James wrote: "Amazing. Find me with Gogol, stealing cautious but adoring glances at Dostoevsky in that corner."

After a drink or two we both may be able to very cautiously approach Fyodor Mikhailovich and very very carefully try to strike a conversation. Who knows, maybe we’ll be lucky and leave with our minds mostly intact.


James Nataliya wrote: "After a drink or two we both may be able to very cautiously approach Fyodor Mikhailovich and very very carefully try to strike a conversation. Who knows, maybe we’ll be lucky and leave with our minds mostly intact."

Solid plan: you take his rear while I come up from the front?

But in total seriousness, thanks for this nice break away from my reread: impossible to do in anything fewer than 20 sittings, spaced days apart. If the mere mention of this narrator warrants a shower for you, being inside his head makes me want the same bath Chihiro gives the stink spirit in Spirited Away.


BOYBAND SLAYER I definitely need to go to this party. I’ll bring the vodka and tea


Nataliya BOYBAND SLAYER wrote: "I definitely need to go to this party. I’ll bring the vodka and tea"

I’ll bring the canapés.


message 33: by nastya (last edited Nov 16, 2020 06:07PM) (new)

nastya ha I'm rereading Crime and punishment right now the first time since school! :)


Nataliya nastyako wrote: "ha I'm rereading Crime and punishment right now the first time since school! :)"

I had to read it in high school and loathed it. I reread it a few years later in college and had lukewarm feelings towards it. I’m curious to see your take on it.


message 35: by nastya (new)

nastya Nataliya wrote: "I had to read it in high school and loathed it. I reread it a few years later in college and had l..."

see i read it the summer before the start of the 10th level. and i gobbled it up! we had a week on the seaside with parents and it was over in 4 days and oh tragedy i was without a book! 😆 this was the first Russian classic i had fun with! 🙂before i just hated tolstoy and goncharov and turgenev and bunin and other bearded men. this was the first time i was reading a classic and having fun! so now I'm a bit scared 😬


Nataliya You seem to have been a more classics-appreciating 10th grader than I was. At that age I just felt resentful that Stephen King was not part of our mandatory reading because his books were much more apple along to me than the classics we had to read (although I did enjoy a few classics that I read on my own, not as a school assignment). In any case, Dostoyevsky was always hard to “get� and hard to like for me.


message 37: by nastya (last edited Nov 16, 2020 06:48PM) (new)

nastya Nataliya wrote: "You seem to have been a more classics-appreciating 10th grader than I was. At that age I just felt resentful that Stephen King was not part of our mandatory reading because his books were much more..."

nah i only liked this one and anna karenina. and ak was not in curriculum but additional reading. god how i despised war and peace and oblomov back then. i only remember fondly mumu 😊


Nataliya Chekhov was good though - the short stories, and Gogol once I think about it. We didn’t do War and Peace and read Anna Karenina instead, which surely was less of a chore. The early 20th century poets were great - Esenin, Blok. And Bulgakov!


message 39: by nastya (new)

nastya Nataliya wrote: "Chekhov was good though - the short stories, and Gogol once I think about it. We didn’t do War and Peace and read Anna Karenina instead, which surely was less of a chore. The early 20th century poe..."

i can’t remember if we did 20th century. and to make 14 year olds read war and peace is a crime! gogol i remember having to recite from taras bulba. and ревизор was funny. but dead souls was a chore


message 40: by Nataliya (last edited Nov 16, 2020 07:02PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nataliya Agreed. A 14-year-old should not be subjected to most of Tolstoy. I loved Gogol’s Revisor. Taras Bulba I think must have been an abbreviated and sanitized version, because that book is pretty brutal, and I think it’s hard to appreciate it fir what it is at that age. Vechera na hutore bliz Dikanki was lovely though!


message 41: by nastya (new)

nastya Nataliya wrote: "Vechera na hutore bliz Dikanki was lovely though!

everything is improved by witches. they are the main reason i liked конотопська вiдьма 😀 war and peace would’ve improved with one


Nataliya Agreed! He should have made Natasha a witch, and have her fall in love with an attractive bad boy...oh wait, she kinda did that, minus the witching. Anything to avoid her becoming the woman she’s shown to be in that ghastly epilogue to War and Peace.


message 43: by nastya (new)

nastya Nataliya wrote: "Agreed! He should have made Natasha a witch, and have her fall in love with an attractive bad boy...oh wait, she kinda did that, minus the witching. Anything to avoid her becoming the woman she’s s..."
yes!! bulgakov understood it 😂


message 44: by Mark (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mark Brilliant review. It is indeed a mirror more than anything else.


Nataliya Mark wrote: "Brilliant review. It is indeed a mirror more than anything else."

Thanks, Mark! Dostoyevsky was good at that.


Yara Belkis your review is just great!


Nataliya Yara wrote: "your review is just great!"

Thanks!


Tamara The best review. Love it


Nataliya Tamara wrote: "The best review. Love it"

Thanks!


message 50: by Mike (new)

Mike M. "we all come from under gogol's overcoat."

much like kafka, tone is so important with any takeaways. i always read kafka as being comedic, if dark, and the same goes for dostoyevksy. they both can, in a sense, be seen as literary extensions of gogol in how they trawl through the existential territory of hierarchies run amok, of stolid scriveners losing their decency thread by thread, of tears turned to manic laughter.

when all you have is fading away, all you can do is laugh.


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