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Stoner by John  Williams
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I had originally rated this as a 4 but it stays with me like a 5. Five stars means a change in my world view. The heavens have shifted a little since I finished reading Stoner. So 5 Stars.

'Stoner' is an extremely powerful book written with a gentle touch. If you are familiar with the Daoist ideal of "Wu Wei", you might say that John Williams has produced the literary version of it in literary style.

I shall not retell the story here. Many other fine reviews in GR have already done so.

I have read several other reviews of this book and am taken by the fact that they vary so greatly. The story is in the eye of the beholder. One fairly common view, in whatever language, seems to be that "Life sucks and then you die.". I can understand how a reader can come to that conclusion about this book. Stoner never seems to become really happy, struggles against his fate, or gives into it, and still the pain continues until the moment of his death. It is easy to see this as the basic human condition, at least as the book represents it as life in Western societies. And I can especially understand how one would come to that conclusion looking at the story from the beginning of adulthood. From the viewpoint of youth it seems that everything that Stoner undertakes turns to ashes. He never achieves full satisfaction in his life. Whatever promise it might have held at any point in his life is betrayed.

It is also easy to understand a view which says that Stoner is the cause of many of his own problems. So often, he seems not to decide, not to act when he should. He lets things happen to him. He allows others to ride roughshod over him. He never seems to challenge the powers that be, the social conventions. Indeed, he never seems to take a chance to improve his lot in life, except of course in his pursuit of Edith to be his wife, which proved to be a disastrous undertaking.

But I am reading 'Stoner' from the other end of life. I am at the age at which Stoner dies. My view of Stoner is different, but difficult to explain. Perhaps that is because the author, John Williams, has written a complicated book that stands on its own and I have trouble seizing that complexity. Stoner never clarifies his thoughts on it either. Perhaps it comes as an emotion at the end. As he is fading away, he thinks of his life, of what he had wanted from life:

“Dispassionately, reasonably, he contemplated the failure that his life must appear to be. He had wanted friendship and the closeness of friendship that might hold him in the race of mankind; he had had two friends, one of whom had died senselessly before he was known, the other of whom had now withdrawn so distantly into the ranks of the living that ... He had wanted the singleness and the still connective passion of marriage; he had had that, too, and he had not known what to do with it, and it had died. He wanted love, and he had had love, and had relinquished it, had let it go into the chaos of potentiality. Katherine, he thought. "Katherine.

"And he had wanted to be a teacher, and he had become one; yet he knew, he had always known, that for most of his life he had been an indifferent one. He had dreamed of a kind of integrity, of a kind of purity that was entire; he had found compromise and the assaulting diversion of triviality. He had conceived wisdom, and at the end of the long years he had found ignorance. And what else? he thought. What else?

What did you expect? he asked himself."

This becomes the motif,"What did you expect?". What do we all expect from life? I suspect that John Williams is touching the core of us all here? Plato tried to define the 'Good' and we have carried that with us throughout history. What is the good life? This concept, that I would suggest sits as a social imaginary in all of our psyches, defines how each of would like to see ourselves live our lives, fulfil ourselves. The Good Life is moulded in each of us according to our social surroundings, our families, our experiences, our era.

Stoner has stepped out of the rural farm life almost by accident. He has developed a passion for teaching literature. He wants friendship, family, love, a fulfilled career. It was really not a great deal. Stoner is not a complicated character. In a sense, he is the American Everyman of the first half of the 20th Century. What else could he expect? And anyone, his colleagues, his students, his family would likely see him as a failure.

I would suggest that, in those terms, Stoner's life can be judged a failure. Indeed, in those terms, many of us must consider our lives to be a failure. What we have expected from ourselves has not been fulfilled. We have not found the close friends, the deep love, the happy warm families, the fulfilling work that we had imagined. We have allowed ourselves to be constricted by social pressures we should logically reject. But we do not. We do not leave the loveless marriage, nor do we seize the opportunity and the risk of giving it all up in order to immerse ourselves in a new love. We do not take the time to find and cultivate friendships. And along with those, perhaps, common place "Goods", we fail to complete our even riskier dreams. Stoner published a mediocre book of literary criticism. He wanted to do another book, a better book... a book which reflected his true passion for literature. He felt that passion at times. He even , displayed it in the classroom at times. But mostly, it eluded him. The book Remained unwritten. How many unwritten books are there in our lives?

Yes. Life sucks and then you die. But 'Stoner' seems to want to say more. In the quote above, "Dispassionately, reasonably, he contemplated the failure that his life must appear to be.". Yes, it "appears" to be a "failure". But really, what more could he expect? Is it possible to find Plato's "Good"? Does the good life that, not only philosophers, but all of us in our own way try to define possible?

What does Stoner have to look back on? He went after the woman he felt he loved and married her. He published his one book. He spent many hours in his study with his young daughter and never forgot the joy of seeing her there at her desk, reading. He knew a deep and passionate love that brought him true happiness, if only for a short time. Finally, he did not give up on everything. He did fight back against some of the injustices in his life and won some of the small battles. What else could he expect? Why would he, we, expect anything more? We do not live in a Disney World. We live in an Old Testament 'Genesis'.

'Stoner' is not just a story about how life sucks and then we die. It is not a simple tragedy but I propose that we should see John William's presentation of Stoner as a strong man, a modern day hero. In the traditional tragedy, the hero suffers and then overcome, even if it does result in his own death. But, in Stoner's world, death will come in any event, He will not overcome the dragons. It is in the realization that he cannot expect more, that he has had his good moments and not given up that his life has not "sucked". This is not a young person's "Good". This is a viewpoint that one reaches with age and experience. The closest thing to wisdom. Go with the flow and practice 'wu wei'.

For many of us, like Stoner, the expectations are, perhaps, beyond our grasp, but we persevere. From my perspective of my 'old age', I am still not certain that I will, or even have been able to, persevere in that sense. I still expect something more, which is absurd.

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Reading Progress

December 31, 2014 – Shelved as: to-read
December 31, 2014 – Shelved
December 31, 2014 – Shelved as: fiction
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January 7, 2015 – Started Reading
January 13, 2015 –
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January 13, 2015 –
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January 16, 2015 –
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January 17, 2015 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Jan (new) - added it

Jan Great review, a lot of thoughtful questions. Should one set his sights on a grand vision that is likely in end in failure or disappointment, or should one learn to be content with a rather uncaring and indifferent world and accept whatever comes? This choice may be as old as Homer’s Iliad. Achilles� desire for glory, to be remembered, was greater than his concern for his own life.
We tend to think it is more noble � especially when we are younger - to set great personal goals that may doom us to disappointment. I think as we become older, we may appreciate more the small successes and reconcile ourselves with sheer joy of having experienced life, even with its disappointments.


withdrawn Thanks Jan. I suppose that the issue is that so many of us had set our sights on grand visions but then we settled for whatever came. I think that Stoner on the other hand, kept trying. The problem for him is that the world thwarted him and put him in conflict with what he believed in. Unlike Achilles, Stoner, and most of us are not often faced with simple decisions. Our values seem to be multifaceted. We want it all.


message 3: by John (new)

John G Yes, I concur on your view of the value of Stoner's life. Don't we even have a phrase for Stoner - unsung heroes. Those who persevere and go to work every day, not out of cowardice but from a sense of duty. And they have their small moments of happiness and at the end they are humble enough to accept that they did not change the world and may not be remembered but that they contributed.


withdrawn Well put John. I believe you've nailed it for me. It is that acceptance that those of us who had hoped to change the world often lack. Unlike Stoner, I expect to be struggling on my death bed with that one last plan/plot.


withdrawn Thank you Sabah. You are more than kind.


Fatma I am speechless about the intimacy of your review- love it.
I will reread Stoner.


withdrawn Thanks Fatima. I believe that Williams wrote the book from within his own sensor intimacy. I could review it in no other way.


message 8: by Cecily (last edited Apr 21, 2016 02:07PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cecily A very moving review of a very moving book. I hope that although you're at the age when Stoner dies, you see a more positive view when you look back - and some hope for the future, too. I don't think it's "absurd" to expect; hope is a good and helpful quality.


withdrawn Thanks for your comments Cecily.
No. I'm not Stoner. My life has not been Stoner's. I spent my youth wandering and looking for adventure... And I found it. Then in my thirties, I started a family and found a career working with immigrants and refugees. Now I'm retired, reading and caring for my grandchildren.

On the other hand, I do think that life is absurd and keep my hopes to a minimum. I go with the flow and when I die, all will be well.


Cecily You sound fortunate (which is not the same as lucky), and I like your attitude. I wish you many happy and healthy years yet.


Sandra It's not absurd.


Sandra Believe me.


withdrawn Sandra. I cannot believe you. I leave belief for the Christians. Life happens between birth and death and, in that space, we try to find meaning. But meaning, in this ultimate sense, is a human concept that seems to find no connection to our reality.

So we have the choice between making up a meaning, religion mostly or maybe the kind of things you read in 'inspirational' or self-help books, or you can accept that there is no meaning, spend your life accepting the ups and downs as just the accidents that they are and go with the flow.

I fall somewhere between the stoics and the Mahayana Buddhists. I also spend a great deal of time undoing the knots hidden away in the depths of my brain that were put there during my childhood.

Absurdity is just fine. Embrace it and live.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Great review. I was too afraid to review such a great book, but your review is spot on.


withdrawn Thanks Cody.


Seemita I am glad this review came up on my home page. A wonderful summing up of Stoner's character, someone I, too, came to love for his quiet strength. Thank you.


withdrawn Thanks Seemita. It's always nice when minds meet.


message 18: by [deleted user] (new)

I realize I prefer those fiction reviews that read like non-fiction, like yours does here, KR-ique. Liked how you thought about perspective changing with age, and later the deep thoughts of the protagonist reflecting on teaching, and what is (ever) known (if ever). Nice.


withdrawn Thanks Christy. Perhaps my fiction review reads like non-fiction because, like you, I read more non-fiction. I read for an understanding of myself and the world (humanity), whatever.


message 20: by [deleted user] (new)

You say: "We do not live in a Disney World. We live in an Old Testament 'Genesis'....the expectations are, perhaps, beyond our grasp, but we persevere...I still expect something more, which is absurd."

Thanks for this. I also saw a huge variety of reviews on this (erroneously hoped it was about an older real "stoner" at first!) and after your excellent review am intrigued!


message 21: by SDestinie (new) - added it

SDestinie Thank you for this excellent review and your perspective from the other end of life that clarifies many things about the way most of society thinks. Thank you.


message 22: by [deleted user] (new)

Love my amazing student from long ago commenting on one of the best on GRs! :-) You reminded me, Shira, of also thanking RK-ique now that I read this amazing review again for speaking for the changed perspective from us nearing, at, or post-retirement age. I'm not sure any elders in any culture have moved completely beyond the "absurd".


withdrawn Shira wrote: "Thank you for this excellent review and your perspective from the other end of life that clarifies many things about the way most of society thinks. Thank you."

Thanks Shira. You're most kind.


withdrawn Christy wrote: "Love my amazing student from long ago commenting on one of the best on GRs! :-) You reminded me, Shira, of also thanking RK-ique now that I read this amazing review again for speaking for the chang..."

... and post retirement isn't all that bad. We just have to keep in mind that that unwritten book shall remain unwritten. That's okay because what's done is done and some of it was pretty good, no matter how absurd our lives may be if we over think them. Yeah, and I over think mine. Can't stop ... as you point out about elders in any society. Thanks again Christy.


message 25: by [deleted user] (last edited Aug 28, 2016 08:21AM) (new)

Thanks again for the discussion of this novel. My partner, a philosophy prof who is getting ready to retire after 50 years, read it lakeside during a week at a cabin in Northern Maine, and came out to me on the porch in tears afterwards, and was still choking up a bit telling me how sad it was at the end. He thought it was beautiful and saw how (especially with age) it was, after you, a kind of Daoist existentialism and is a great reflection tool or lens. I sped read it in an afternoon, and I won't forget the gently powerful way Stoner asked himself more than once - "what did you expect?" Horrible bosses and crappy marriages almost always exist in the same lives as interests and enjoyments, desires and love(s), conciliations and contentment. Absurd, as you note, when we keep forgetting this. Stoner's book was not his own at the end. This was the point.


withdrawn My goodness Christy. You've become the mysterious 'deleted user'. How does it feel?


message 27: by Jessaka (new) - added it

Jessaka Everyone is reading this, and I only read "Butcher's Crossing" by him. Maybe someday I will get to I, it just doesn't sound good until someone like you reviews it.


withdrawn Thanks Jessaka. Hope you enjoy it if you do get to it.


Franco  Santos FANTASTIC review! Thank you for writing it. I just finished the book and couldn't agree more with you.


Howard What a thoughtful review of a great book.


Diane Barnes This may be the best review I've read about Stoner. I have a tendency to harshly judge those who don't love this book, but you made me realize that there are reasons for that. Thank you.


withdrawn Thanks Howard and Diane. Since writing this review, I have recommended Stoner to several people who I thought would be able to get into it. None of them did. None of them were able to see beyond the “life sucks� aspects of the story. 

I’ll just not make any more recommendations and keep my fun reading to myself. Except on GR, of course. ;-)


message 33: by Julie (new) - added it

Julie What a fine review this is, RK!


withdrawn Thanks Julie.


message 35: by Quo (new) - rated it 5 stars

Quo Your comprehensive review is incisive but more than that, it conveys a quality that some of the reviewers who dismiss Stoner lack, compassion. Beyond that, I am not sure that the possession of this attribute or the lack of it is a result of one's age. though perhaps in some cultures, older folks are revered rather more than in others. In any case, an excellent, perceptive review!


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