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The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ
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Somehow I'm not surprised Orson Scott Card and Stephanie Meyer don't recognize an uninspired sequel when they see one.
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That's my one-sentence review.
And it came to pass that we had a talk with the neighborhood Mormons today, and they bestowed upon us the Book of Mormon. And it came to pass that we are slowly making our way through it, checking to make sure we haven't too hastily judged it. And it came to pass that, so far, god seems like every bit as cruel of a dictator as he ever did in parts I and II. I'm going to do a real review later, but for now, know that, as long as you feel IN YOUR HEART god wants you to break into someone's house, steal his/her Sacred Tablets, and then cut his/her head off, it's okay.
Don't know about you, but that's a load off my mind.
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Honestly, I'm glad that on that day several weeks ago, the Mormons stopped by. It's a good thing they came over and talked to us about their religion.
They think stupid things, preciousss. . . They believe Jesus came to Americas and talked to the Indians. . .
Yes, but they were very nice.
The Mormonses want to sell you their religion. They think your atheism isn't good enough.
Yes, but from their point of view, my life is missing something. They can't help feeling that way, just like I can't help feeling like their lives are missing something. They think I'm missing god. I think they're missing sanity.
They think womanses can't preach, and they mock them by saying it's separate but equal. It's bullshit, precioussss. They think good people gets lighter skin, and dark people are being punished. Since the Latter Day Saints formed, they've changed their positions on just about everything, even though god's will should be a permanent thing. Nobody can provide any archeological evidence supporting any of their claims about ancient cities, golden tablets, or even the cultures that existed at the time their book was supposed to have been written. The Book of Mormon has people riding horses at a time when horses weren't in the U.S., has people using steel when nobody knew how to forge it, had people using compasses before they were invented. It's a fat turd of badly written lies and plagiarised Bible passages. . . preciousss.
Yes, there's all of that. But then, if we hadn't met them, Joy and I wouldn't have sat around discussing spirituality that one Sunday.
///flashback///
(Joy and Michael sit on the couch, holding hands, eyes closed.)
Joy: Dear father, uhhh...the Mormons convinced us to try praying to you, to see if we feel your presence or anything...thank you for sending the Mormons by, and....for giving us each other, and also our dog, Athena....Thanks for our jobs, and food, and the television, and whatever else I'm leaving out. I don't understand why you're male. And why, assuming you authored the Book of Mormon, you left out mrs. god. They say there's a holy mother, but in order to protect her, god hasn't spoken of her. That doesn't make any sense, and we think they're just making shit up.
Anyway, We said we'd ask some questions, so here they are: are the Mormons telling us the truth? And do you exist? And are you a male? Okay. That's it. Amen.
Michael: Amen.
*Later*
Michael: When I try to communicate with a greater presence, I sometimes feel a little something. But, when I picture Jesus on a cross, or Joseph Smith translating tablets, I don't feel anything. I just don't see any reason we have to give it a name, give it a sex, give it a personality, whatever.
Joy: See, I spent the first sixteen years of my life praying and trying to feel something. It's not like I haven't "given god a chance," so I don't even know why we're going through this. We're just humoring them.
Michael: You know, maybe there IS a god, and he IS selective about who gets to go to happyland. But, maybe he's put all of these earthly ideas of god here to serve as golden calves, and only those who use the abilities they've been given--their rational thought, and an adherence to a true morality--only those people will get into happyland. Maybe that's what it is.
*Later Still*
Joy: We should start going back to that Unitarian Universalist service. If we have a kid, we won't want her to grow up without any understanding of what religion is. We should be upfront with her--
Michael: Or him--
Joy: --about being atheists ourselves, but I don't want her--
Michael: Or him--
Joy: --to be forced into anything like I was as a kid.
Michael: Yeah, we should start going back. That one church we went to that one time had all sorts of volunteering. We can go protest the 1070 bill and get arrested!
///flashforward///
After talking to them, we started thinking about spirituality again, and we've both been feeling a little better about existence since then.
But it's bullshit, preciousss. The book is half "And so it came to pass," and one third "exceedingly," and the other third tripe.
But, Evil Half, that comes out to--
Shut up about my maths.
Well, the book sucks. It really does. But, despite all of the negativity between its covers, the people who follow the tradition still seem to be very nice people. And only good came from the two meetings we had with our Mormons.
They haven't given up on you yet. When they do, they'll eat your sooooouuuuuuuuulllll...
Shut up, Evil Michael. Leave now and never come back.
///ungracious segue into the final part of the review///
Greatest hits from The B.O.M.:
3 Nephi 7:8 And thus six years had not passed away since the more part of the people had turned from their righteousness, like the dog to his vomit, or like the sow to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Nephi 9:33 Wo unto the uncircumcised of heart, for a knowledge of their iniquities shall smite them at the last day.
2 Nephi 14:1 And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying: We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.
And, finally, my very favorite:
1 Nephi 18:2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.
The word of god. He's a poet.
++++++
That's my one-sentence review.
And it came to pass that we had a talk with the neighborhood Mormons today, and they bestowed upon us the Book of Mormon. And it came to pass that we are slowly making our way through it, checking to make sure we haven't too hastily judged it. And it came to pass that, so far, god seems like every bit as cruel of a dictator as he ever did in parts I and II. I'm going to do a real review later, but for now, know that, as long as you feel IN YOUR HEART god wants you to break into someone's house, steal his/her Sacred Tablets, and then cut his/her head off, it's okay.
Don't know about you, but that's a load off my mind.
+++++++
Honestly, I'm glad that on that day several weeks ago, the Mormons stopped by. It's a good thing they came over and talked to us about their religion.
They think stupid things, preciousss. . . They believe Jesus came to Americas and talked to the Indians. . .
Yes, but they were very nice.
The Mormonses want to sell you their religion. They think your atheism isn't good enough.
Yes, but from their point of view, my life is missing something. They can't help feeling that way, just like I can't help feeling like their lives are missing something. They think I'm missing god. I think they're missing sanity.
They think womanses can't preach, and they mock them by saying it's separate but equal. It's bullshit, precioussss. They think good people gets lighter skin, and dark people are being punished. Since the Latter Day Saints formed, they've changed their positions on just about everything, even though god's will should be a permanent thing. Nobody can provide any archeological evidence supporting any of their claims about ancient cities, golden tablets, or even the cultures that existed at the time their book was supposed to have been written. The Book of Mormon has people riding horses at a time when horses weren't in the U.S., has people using steel when nobody knew how to forge it, had people using compasses before they were invented. It's a fat turd of badly written lies and plagiarised Bible passages. . . preciousss.
Yes, there's all of that. But then, if we hadn't met them, Joy and I wouldn't have sat around discussing spirituality that one Sunday.
///flashback///
(Joy and Michael sit on the couch, holding hands, eyes closed.)
Joy: Dear father, uhhh...the Mormons convinced us to try praying to you, to see if we feel your presence or anything...thank you for sending the Mormons by, and....for giving us each other, and also our dog, Athena....Thanks for our jobs, and food, and the television, and whatever else I'm leaving out. I don't understand why you're male. And why, assuming you authored the Book of Mormon, you left out mrs. god. They say there's a holy mother, but in order to protect her, god hasn't spoken of her. That doesn't make any sense, and we think they're just making shit up.
Anyway, We said we'd ask some questions, so here they are: are the Mormons telling us the truth? And do you exist? And are you a male? Okay. That's it. Amen.
Michael: Amen.
*Later*
Michael: When I try to communicate with a greater presence, I sometimes feel a little something. But, when I picture Jesus on a cross, or Joseph Smith translating tablets, I don't feel anything. I just don't see any reason we have to give it a name, give it a sex, give it a personality, whatever.
Joy: See, I spent the first sixteen years of my life praying and trying to feel something. It's not like I haven't "given god a chance," so I don't even know why we're going through this. We're just humoring them.
Michael: You know, maybe there IS a god, and he IS selective about who gets to go to happyland. But, maybe he's put all of these earthly ideas of god here to serve as golden calves, and only those who use the abilities they've been given--their rational thought, and an adherence to a true morality--only those people will get into happyland. Maybe that's what it is.
*Later Still*
Joy: We should start going back to that Unitarian Universalist service. If we have a kid, we won't want her to grow up without any understanding of what religion is. We should be upfront with her--
Michael: Or him--
Joy: --about being atheists ourselves, but I don't want her--
Michael: Or him--
Joy: --to be forced into anything like I was as a kid.
Michael: Yeah, we should start going back. That one church we went to that one time had all sorts of volunteering. We can go protest the 1070 bill and get arrested!
///flashforward///
After talking to them, we started thinking about spirituality again, and we've both been feeling a little better about existence since then.
But it's bullshit, preciousss. The book is half "And so it came to pass," and one third "exceedingly," and the other third tripe.
But, Evil Half, that comes out to--
Shut up about my maths.
Well, the book sucks. It really does. But, despite all of the negativity between its covers, the people who follow the tradition still seem to be very nice people. And only good came from the two meetings we had with our Mormons.
They haven't given up on you yet. When they do, they'll eat your sooooouuuuuuuuulllll...
Shut up, Evil Michael. Leave now and never come back.
///ungracious segue into the final part of the review///
Greatest hits from The B.O.M.:
3 Nephi 7:8 And thus six years had not passed away since the more part of the people had turned from their righteousness, like the dog to his vomit, or like the sow to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Nephi 9:33 Wo unto the uncircumcised of heart, for a knowledge of their iniquities shall smite them at the last day.
2 Nephi 14:1 And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying: We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.
And, finally, my very favorite:
1 Nephi 18:2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.
The word of god. He's a poet.
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Here's a tentative chronology for Yahweh's series, with cool new names for each book:
YAHWEH THE AVENGER (Ye Olde Testament)
SON OF YAHWEH (The New Testament)
WHAT IF YAHWEH HADN'T BEEN WHITE? (Koran)
YAHWEH IV (Mahabharata...the sequel that tanks because it doesn't have any of the original actors in it)
PROPHET OF THE SON OF THE SON OF THE DESCENDENT OF THE APOSTLE OF THE SON OF YAHWEH (The Book of Mormon, a very-late-after-the-relevancy, straight-to-DVD sequel.)

Heck, most of his fans don't even allow fanfiction. But you keep hearing about these Dead Sea Scrolls and those "other" gospels, and really, why haven't they been released? Are they afraid of a lawsuit?




Perhaps the message is that, in his respect for free will, god has been willing to write a crappy sequel or two to see if you follow your true calling, Jacob. Don't let him down.

So...God wrote some deliberately confusing books to inspire me to write even more confusing books? Awesome. Does "The Seventy Gospels of Jesus the Christ" sound appropriately Borgesian? It'll include the heavily disputed "Four Gospels of the Time Travelers," among other fun tales.

A little chafing, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
I think you're onto something with that title, although that number sounds low. Those Arabs had 1001 nights...Jesus needs at least that many gospels. And the last book should totally change your understanding of everything that has come before, showing it to be but a mirror reflection of what ACTUALLY may or may not have happened, from twelve or thirteen disagreeing pov's. As long as you can work that out, go crazy.

Hmm. "The Penultimate Testament, or The One Thousand and One Gospels of Jesus Christ" has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

You see, it dawned on me after meeting with the Mormons for a second time that perhaps there really IS a god, and that god has caused us to make up all of these goofy organized religions as "golden calves" for us to avoid it we want to stay on the straight and narrow. Clearly, if there is a god, he wanted us to use the tools he gave us, such as our emotions, morals and intellect. In accepting organized religion, one has to deny all three of these. Thus, god is testing us to see if we have the fortitude and the strength to use our minds and hearts, and become atheists.
And only by NOT believing will god allow us into heaven. Agnostics go to purgatory.
I love the idea of something that other people can add to. . . anyone deemed a prophet of god, which as far as I'm concerned, could be anybody.
Hmmm, now we just need somebody who knows how to make a web page.

(Perhaps I can plug my Bible review here?)


Anyway, they are so sweet, though! And coming back on Wednesday! And they all go to church with the sleaziest guy in my class at school, so that is handy for the whole conversation about how dudes get the special priesthood, but girls are sooooo lucky that they don't.
Also, so many things in this review and thread are my favorites. Especially, maybe, this:
Jacob wrote: "Think about it. God could be the next Italo Calvino."

I think it's great that you prayed and feel as though maybe you're getting some answers, even if the answers say this isn't the church for you. The great thing about Mormonism for me is the closer connection with God that I have now. It was gradual for me, and gentle, but my life really has been transformed enormously for the better by the Restored Gospel. So because of this and because the partnership with a living God has been so fruitful in my life, such a huge blessing, I step gingerly into possibly hostile spaces with a soft voice (I hope) hinting that maybe there's something there worth having, worth listening to, for you too, as it is for me.
I feel prompted to share it with people just because it's been so wonderful for me that I can't, by my silence, think to deprive anyone else of even a faint chance of hearing that same call and following to that same banquet.
It's beautiful beyond imagining, and precious, and beloved, so that I don't even want to expose it to possible ridicule or slurs. I don't want to be stepping out and saying, "wait, stop, just ask, just listen, don't throw away this chance", the chance at a higher form of human flourishing, as Richard Bushman so aptly put it. I don't want to but also I can't not. Sucks, huh?
Imagine if all your life you grew up in some maximum security prison where the inmates all tussled, stole from each other, beat up each other, ratted out each other, and exhibited the meanest worst faith you can possibly imagine toward each other. Imagine if that's all you knew of human life and you were certain that love and kindness couldn't possibly exist, real friendship or loyalty or self-sacrifice. Imagine if from that vantage point you were able to see your current life here and now with its relationships good and maybe some bad, its successes and perhaps a few failures. Would you think of it as being something like heaven, by comparison?
Now imagine a society, a civilization that is as much higher (morally, intellectually, and materially) than ours, as ours is higher than that prison I described. Imagine that concept times 1000, even. Imagine the best and most beautiful Utopia you can think of, with the people far advanced in love and fellowship beyond what you currently believe human nature is capable of. That is Zion. That's what we're working toward. What if we all could step into that milieu in which everyone is twice as mature, twice as kind and good as anyone here now? Wouldn't that be awesome? It is real and we're working to bring it about.
So if you don't do anything else, do please just keep praying and following the answers you get. That's all I want to say. Thanks for letting me butt into your thread. It's okay if you want to make fun. God doesn't mind. He gets the joke, too. Just don't throw away the chance for a life lived at a higher level. It's devoutly to be wished. It's lovely and of good report. It's a city on a hill, shining and beautiful. That's the Restored Gospel. kthxbye.

We did pray several times at the suggestion of the Mormons we met, but it's not something that either of us still do. Before talking to them, and also after, we have been Atheists. When I was younger, I wasn't sure if I would remain one after learning more about religions, after exploring spirituality more. . . however, after searching for a very long time, I have found that Atheism is what makes me most happy.
Unlike any organized religion, I don't have to accept without evidence, nor is my soul called into question when I do not agree with organizations I belong to. I am allowed to follow the morals that I can see to be real, not those presented by a text . . . or those currently condoned by a pope, a dali lama, or any other human who is assumed to have divine powers. Most importantly, I can take full responsibility for my own actions, thoughts, accomplishments, and failures.
And, unlike what is usually assumed in organized religions, I don't have to live my life as though I must escape my own human-ness. I was not born in sin, or into a world where all life is suffering. Instead, I was born capable of seeing the world around me, recognizing its beauty and its ugliness, and not perceiving this as a prison but an amazing, strange and awe-inspiring place.
I am sorry that you felt life without Mormonism was like living in a prison, and I'm honestly glad you've found something that makes you happier. My goal isn't to convince anyone else to abandon their faith, but only to recognize that a person who is an Atheist can be every bit as happy, and as ethical, as a religious person.
Even if they write snarky book reviews!


Still, I have trouble reconciling your words about seeking a world where people are "far advanced in love and fellowship" with the fact that your church insists many people should not have equal rights to marry because of their sexual orientation. Your church's position on the role of women, and up until recently on the role of black people, also seems to get in the way of bringing about the maturity and the goodness you are suggesting they want to bring about.
Then again, I see tolerance and equality as being necessary ingredients for an ideal society, so perhaps the Utopias we are picturing are quite different.

There's such a net positive for me in all that. I do certainly see how other people leave the church over those things. I believe if any institution is dragging someone down and making them feel worse about themselves, making them less of a person, then they should leave. For me, though, I find that the experience is hugely net positive. Here in mortality we only have attempts at the real Zion communities, not their full actualization, but those attempts are still extremely worthwhile. We only have our fallible selves to deal with, not our eventual perfected selves, yet the day-to-day dealing is immensely valuable and very educational.
So, forgive me for going on so much about it. I respect your choice and your stewardship over your own life paths, of course. I'm not trying to convert anyone at all, because that is 100% their own choice. I'm just explaining how things work for me and telling people about this great boon I've found, in hopes that if it seems useful to them, and if the spirit testifies to them as it did to me, they'll investigate further and have access to this too.















"Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins shall write; and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together, unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to the knowledge of their fathers in the latter days, and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.
