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Night Watch (Discworld, #29)
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bookshelves: fantasy, my-library-kindle, classic
May 04, 2015
bookshelves: fantasy, my-library-kindle, classic
Read 2 times. Last read December 22, 2021 to December 24, 2021.
In one timeline, I read this in 2015 and it was a total miss even though I had an affection for the character of Sam Vines. It quite possibly had to do with an attempt I was making to understand Pratchett and appreciate him as much as his fans do by reading the series in order.
In another timeline, 2021 to be exact, I started re-reading with an enthusiastic book buddy, trading off a hyper-Pratchett-esque indy book that was exhausting me with Three Stooges antics and fourth wall-breaking asides.
In the second timeline, a mere six chronological years, one pandemic, and approximately four hundred emotional decades later, I realized what a lovely--yes, you read that right, I called Pratchett 'lovely'--meditation on aging, responsibility, consequences, and history this was. It is very much a swan song of a book, an ode to prior characters who often make brief but important appearances, whether in their young or aged selves. It is a book that will no doubt land better with the aged reader who can viscerally feel Vimes' perspective:
"You’re not me, he thought. I don’t think I was ever as young as you. If you’re going to be me, it’s going to take a lot of work. Thirty damn years of being hammered on the anvil of life, you poor bastard. You’ve got it all to come."
I realized as I was reading Pratchett that my earlier book was so focused on being funny that it failed to contrast or highlight with an emotional counter-point. Here, Pratchett has the occasional extreme such as farcical bragging or ridiculous incompetence, but also contains all these other emotional notes and sad histories.
Surprisingly, there's also quite a bit about political unrest and revolutions, particularly unsettling in its accuracy to a tumultuous 2020.
“No. The *protest* was over the price of bread, said Vimes’s inner voice. The riot was what happens when you have panicking people trapped between idiots on horseback and other idiots shouting “yeah, right!� and trying to push forward, and the whole thing in the charge of a fool advised by a maniac with a steel rule.�
Bringing to mind all the protests of 2020.
"People said things like “Quite possibly we shall never know the truth� which meant, in Vimes’s personal lexicon, “I know, or think I know what the truth is, and hope like hell it doesn’t come out, because things are all smoothed over now.�
Bringing to mind the lack of accountability post insurrection.
But the most insightful commentary on politics was yet to come:
“Vimes had spent his life on the streets and had met decent men, and fools, and people who’d steal a penny from a blind beggar, and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he’d never met The People.
People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so, the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn’t that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.
As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn’t measure up.�
If that doesn't say something about all groups, than you didn't read it very well.
A quite excellent, if occasionally melancholic re-read, at least from the 2021 timeline perspective. May we all return to the timeline where there's someone we love (but I'll pass on the baby).
Many, many thanks to Nataliya, her enthusiasm and her insights!
The first timeline review: (spoiler for length, not actual spoilers. (view spoiler)
In another timeline, 2021 to be exact, I started re-reading with an enthusiastic book buddy, trading off a hyper-Pratchett-esque indy book that was exhausting me with Three Stooges antics and fourth wall-breaking asides.
In the second timeline, a mere six chronological years, one pandemic, and approximately four hundred emotional decades later, I realized what a lovely--yes, you read that right, I called Pratchett 'lovely'--meditation on aging, responsibility, consequences, and history this was. It is very much a swan song of a book, an ode to prior characters who often make brief but important appearances, whether in their young or aged selves. It is a book that will no doubt land better with the aged reader who can viscerally feel Vimes' perspective:
"You’re not me, he thought. I don’t think I was ever as young as you. If you’re going to be me, it’s going to take a lot of work. Thirty damn years of being hammered on the anvil of life, you poor bastard. You’ve got it all to come."
I realized as I was reading Pratchett that my earlier book was so focused on being funny that it failed to contrast or highlight with an emotional counter-point. Here, Pratchett has the occasional extreme such as farcical bragging or ridiculous incompetence, but also contains all these other emotional notes and sad histories.
Surprisingly, there's also quite a bit about political unrest and revolutions, particularly unsettling in its accuracy to a tumultuous 2020.
“No. The *protest* was over the price of bread, said Vimes’s inner voice. The riot was what happens when you have panicking people trapped between idiots on horseback and other idiots shouting “yeah, right!� and trying to push forward, and the whole thing in the charge of a fool advised by a maniac with a steel rule.�
Bringing to mind all the protests of 2020.
"People said things like “Quite possibly we shall never know the truth� which meant, in Vimes’s personal lexicon, “I know, or think I know what the truth is, and hope like hell it doesn’t come out, because things are all smoothed over now.�
Bringing to mind the lack of accountability post insurrection.
But the most insightful commentary on politics was yet to come:
“Vimes had spent his life on the streets and had met decent men, and fools, and people who’d steal a penny from a blind beggar, and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he’d never met The People.
People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so, the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn’t that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.
As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn’t measure up.�
If that doesn't say something about all groups, than you didn't read it very well.
A quite excellent, if occasionally melancholic re-read, at least from the 2021 timeline perspective. May we all return to the timeline where there's someone we love (but I'll pass on the baby).
Many, many thanks to Nataliya, her enthusiasm and her insights!
The first timeline review: (spoiler for length, not actual spoilers. (view spoiler)
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This was a book where I got bored with Discworld and never looked back.

Evgeny--I was never that impressed, but I remember liking the Same Vines book(s) I read in the past. On the whole, though, they mostly miss me.

Sorry it didn't work for you.


Well, I'd say over half the cast are known from other books in the subseries. So while running into Young CMOT Dibbler or Reg Shoe is pretty much fanservice if you've read the subseries, it's 'why is this random character popping up' otherwise.
Odd choice for the group read...I would have suggested a true standalone, like Monstrous Regiment or Going Postsl. And even then, I'm not surprised Pratchett isn't a great fit for you in particular.
....btw, did you know the next book is called Thud, or was it an amusing coincidence?

Yes, I have a love-hate relationship with group reads. I remember liking the one or two Sam Vines when I read them a million years ago, basically disliking the DEATH one after about six chapters (repetitive), and sort of liking the witch ones (I remember the Phantom of the Opera spoof). He's vaguely amusing in the right mood, but not my optimal read. I can't say that too loudly, though :)
I can't remember how I knew about Thud! Maybe seeing others' reviews? So I then looked it up to make sure it was a title.

Meh. I just realized there's also a dependency on Thief of Time. Admittedly I hadn't read it when I first read this and no great harm done ot my experience, but there it is.
Cheers...I'm around, usually read thru my feed once a week or so. I hope you're enjoying your general book haul more than this one.



I read Thud! as my first novel of this sub-series, and found it rather meh! as well. I eventually decided to read all the City Watch books in order, and it made a HUGE! difference.
I haven't (yet) reread Thud!, but I'm thinking of doing so, if only to see how differently I perceive it now.
I'm still on half-way through this one here, but I love all of Vimes' keen mob-psychology and dark humour. Granted, there's plenty of it that also leaves me completely baffled. :P

I confess, most of the time Pratchett eludes me. Is it the Britishness? The obvious allegories? I don't know. I did like the Guards the best out of all I read, perhaps because it plays so well with the Band of Misfits trope I enjoy (see also Phule's Company).




*Googles the word humanist and notes down Google says it's fine. Kurt Vonnegut is also a humanist*
*Rages silently at 'Vines'*


It’s not all great in these series, I think there’s a golden age of the Discworld sandwiched between the rather inelegant beginnings and the overly self-referential latter novels, and the buns of that sandwich should really be left to the forgiving fans.


Terry Pratchett really *got* people, didn’t he?

Alternate timeline 😁😂

Don't do it! That was part of my mistake in the first timeline. Just read in groups of subject/theme--Death, Granny, Sam Vines.

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That's okay! I think at my advanced age, and with the resonance from our very own attempts at riots and revolutions in America this past year, it had a lot of pertinent thoughts.

Thanks, Michelle! It was lovely to have Nataliya cueing me in on some series references, etc.

He really did.
The last six chronological years was a very, very long time. Dog years didn't even begin to cover it.

Ha! Thanks for appreciating my little 'lovely' reference. And thanks again for being such a stellar reading buddy~



Beth, your experience sounds like mine. I found the Sam Vines books most entertaining. I tried the in-order and that was a bust. But I definitely liked this more as a one-off than trying to make it part of a set. Best of luck!

Sweet, Morphing_kashi. Thank you!

I'll definitely reread this one soon."
Lots of really good nuggets in here!
Sarah wrote: "Such a thoughtful review, Carol. Adding to my list -"
Thank you, Sarah! I hope you enjoy it.
