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Emma by Jane Austen
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it was ok
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“I may have lost my heart, but not my self-control.�

Personally, I may have lost my self-control, but not my heart.
A few years ago I read my first Jane Austen, which was Pride and Prejudice, and I really enjoyed it. I thought Emma couldn't be that bad, it's a very popular classic and its rating is good. To be honest, it's not bad, exactly, but the fact that it took me an entire month to get through it says a lot. I had lots and lots of problems with this novel.

1. Emma
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Such a vain and arrogant main character. I mean, I know she is supposed to be an unlikeable character for literary reasons. But that doesn't make it any easier.

2. Miss Bates
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Why bother wasting so much ink and paper on nonsense. Numerous pages of nonsense.

3. They way people are
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Wait. Let me guess. That character is - wait for it - pleasant? The nicest person in the world? Of such sweet disposition? So generous, exceptional, kind, satisfactory and pleasant. Please save me.

4. The way people talk
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Hours could go by and Emma and her father would talk about nothing but the pig they owned and had slaughtered, and what they'd make of it for dinner, and how nice it was that they gave some of it to the Bates, and if it was the right part of the pig they gave away, or if they should have given something else, but no it is all fine and pleasant, and that was very generous of them, and they will surely be very gracious, since they gave away such fine piece of pork, and won't dinner be nice and kick me on the shin pleasant.

5. The plot
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Scratch 300 pages of nonsense and nervewracking pleasantness and this could have been a book I enjoyed.

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Reading Progress

May 21, 2015 – Shelved
May 21, 2015 – Shelved as: to-read
September 3, 2016 – Shelved as: owned
October 4, 2016 – Started Reading
October 4, 2016 –
page 22
4.64% "Reading this cause it's JK Rowling's favourite book"
October 5, 2016 –
page 80
16.88% "“You must be the best judge of your own happiness.�"
October 6, 2016 –
page 145
30.59% "So thankful for Knightley, someone's got to put Emma in her place from time to time"
October 6, 2016 –
page 184
38.82% "I wonder if people really were that shallow and boring in the 18&19hundreds"
October 21, 2016 –
page 224
47.26% "So much nonsense in this book"
October 21, 2016 –
page 300
63.29% "I may even finish it this weekend"
November 6, 2016 –
page 407
85.86% "Only a few pages left, I can do this"
November 6, 2016 – Finished Reading

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Kike Ramos oooh such a shame you didn't like it. I prefer Emma to Pride And Prejudice hahaha but Everyone is different


message 2: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Kike wrote: "oooh such a shame you didn't like it. I prefer Emma to Pride And Prejudice hahaha but Everyone is different"

I know it's too bad, I really wanted to like it but it just didn't work out


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LOL love your gifs ! and the review . I remember that Emma was my fav of all of Austen's novels though ;P tastes are different and that good right ? :)


message 4: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Paul wrote: "LOL love your gifs ! and the review . I remember that Emma was my fav of all of Austen's novels though ;P tastes are different and that good right ? :)"

Ha thanks :D definitely. Different tastes make for variety


Kike Ramos Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother. Perhaps you will find the story more entertaining that way hahaha :) I love that movie


message 6: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Kike wrote: "Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother. Perhaps you will find the story more entertainin..."

No never, but it's on my list :) I'm just about to watch the version with Gwyneth Paltrow


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Kai wrote: "Kike wrote: "Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother. Perhaps you will find the story mor..."

I'm curious if you like the movie let us know ;) It certainly won't make you like Emma more though ;) Gwyneth did a good job in portraying her. At least Mr. Knightley is cute ;P


message 8: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Paul wrote: "Kai wrote: "Kike wrote: "Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother. Perhaps you will find t..."

I liked the movie :) and Gwyneth was great as Emma. And Knightley isn't my type :D if Ewan McGregor had had a better haircut he would've been nice to look at though


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Kai wrote: "Paul wrote: "Kai wrote: "Kike wrote: "Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother. Perhaps yo..."

I'm glad you enjoyed it :) On to Clueless now ;P it's basically the 90s classic for everyone who had been a teenager like The Breakfast Club is for the 80s teenagers and Mean Girls for the 2000s ;)


message 10: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Paul wrote: "Kai wrote: "Paul wrote: "Kai wrote: "Kike wrote: "Have you ever seen the movie Clueless? It is an adaptation of Emma, with Vher being Emma and the father figure-love interest being her step-brother..."

I started watching it right after Emma and it's hilarious :D I love it


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Awesome :)


message 12: by Kai (last edited Nov 08, 2016 02:09PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Paul wrote: "Awesome :)"

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Totally


message 13: by Kike (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kike Ramos hahahha Clueless is amazing and a really nice story about learning how to not judge people immediately. .. just like Austen's book hahaa well, that is what I learned. Glad you really liked the movie


message 14: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier I really did, it was so much fun :D


Casey C I really loved both Pride and Prejudice and Persuasion, but when I read Emma, I just couldn't get into it. Mainly because of the endless conversations that seem to have no puepose except to waste time (Miss Bates).
I wanted to like it, I really did, but I just couldn't. Maybe in time, when I have forgotten what happens in the book, I will pick it up again and wonder why I ever disliked it the first place.


message 16: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Haven't read Persuasion, but I really enjoyed P&P but I had he exact same problems with this one. I don't think I'll ever reread this again though.


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Brierly Interesting review. I've read Persuasion, Mansfield Park, and Northanger Abbey (did not enjoy the second two) but maybe you'd like Persuasion, it's short and sweet. Anyway, haven't read Emma yet, but I'm a bit apprehensive.


message 18: by ä (new) - rated it 2 stars

ä nobody phrased it more perfectly than you


message 19: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Thank you 😄


message 20: by [deleted user] (new)

It sounds like a boring book. I was speed reading through that paragraph about pigs because it was so boring!


message 21: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier That's exactly how I read the book 😄


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Lol


message 23: by emi (new) - rated it 5 stars

emi Aww damn, sorry you didn't like it! I, personally, really enjoyed it. I hope you have more luck with Austen's other books :)


message 24: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary Pagones Usually I adore and agree with your reviews but I'm afraid I can't in this one instance! :) I love Emma, it is my second favorite Austen after Pride and Prejudice. I love Austen's boldness in telling the story from such a delightfully unlikable character. The "straight" movie version of Emma I liked well enough but Clueless is a better film.


message 25: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier I've only read Pride and Prejudice & Emma so far and I liked the first one. I'm sure that I'll like the others more than Emma as well.
And I agree, Clueless was great 😄


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Hayley Smith I see your point on many aspects on the novel and respect your opinion, but I saw it differently. I agree in the beginning, Emma was not my favorite person either. I found it to be terrible that she was influencing Harriet. I got used to her though, and eventually began to like her and see her as a friend that just wanted to make sure everything had a happy ending in Harriet's life. Even though her plan ended up backfiring, I felt bad for Emma. She put in so much work to make sure Mr. Elton and Harriet ended up together and it was all for nothing. It's like when you put a ton of work into a project for it only to get ruined or end up with a terrible grade. I also agree that the plot lagged sometimes, but the interest I found in Emma's attempts to help Harriet and her relationship with Mr. Knightly kept me reading.


message 27: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Hayley wrote: "I see your point on many aspects on the novel and respect your opinion, but I saw it differently. I agree in the beginning, Emma was not my favorite person either. I found it to be terrible that sh..."

I'm glad you liked it better than I did! And yes, Emma's attempts to help Harriet with Mr. Elton were entertaining but that was only at the beginning of the novel, so there wasn't much intriguing going on afterwards


Somya I can completely relate to your review! The continuous conversations of unimportant matters and how frequently they occur throughout the novel is exasperating. I've not yet finished it and already am tired of the monotonous events that take place in it.


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I would watch the film 'Clueless' and then read this. I would have HATED this book had I not gotten an understanding of the plot and characters previously.


message 30: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Prerona wrote: "I can completely relate to your review! The continuous conversations of unimportant matters and how frequently they occur throughout the novel is exasperating. I've not yet finished it and already ..."

I suppose they're meant to be superflous in the same way that Emma is supposed to be disliked but still...it didn't make this book any better.


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Kai Spellmeier Milo wrote: "I would watch the film 'Clueless' and then read this. I would have HATED this book had I not gotten an understanding of the plot and characters previously."

Makes sense ^^ I watched it afterwards though, and it was fun to see how they adapted this book.


message 32: by John (new) - rated it 1 star

John Smith My opinion... when I write my research paper on this book it’s going to be on how Jane Austen is the antichrist and not letting the characters go through intense situations through dialogue is terrible. Let the characters go through it. And overall it’s just terrible please save yourself the time


Daniel Lol. you didn't get it


message 34: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier John wrote: "My opinion... when I write my research paper on this book it’s going to be on how Jane Austen is the antichrist and not letting the characters go through intense situations through dialogue is terr..."

Haha true :D


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Kai Spellmeier Danny wrote: "Lol. you didn't get it"

thanks for your helpful input, Danny. I needed that :)


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Jarvis Kai wrote: "Danny wrote: "Lol. you didn't get it"

thanks for your helpful input, Danny. I needed that :)"


Yes, king! You destroyed him! XD


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Brianna Ugh. My Mom is definitely going to rope me into reading this... blech. I've tried reading P&P a couple of times but it just doesn't work out... I always find myself to be ridiculously confuzzled. My Mom is crazy about these kinds of books, but they just aren't my type I guess.


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Kai Spellmeier Gehna wrote: "Kai wrote: "Danny wrote: "Lol. you didn't get it"

thanks for your helpful input, Danny. I needed that :)"

Yes, king! You destroyed him! XD"


I mean, reader reception is subjective. If I did not like or enjoy a book, it doesn't automatically mean that I did not "get it". And I don't need pseudo-intellectuals to tell me otherwise.


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Kai Spellmeier Brie Cheese {Leaving ŷ soon.} wrote: "Ugh. My Mom is definitely going to rope me into reading this... blech. I've tried reading P&P a couple of times but it just doesn't work out... I always find myself to be ridiculously confuzzled. M..."

I totally get that. Personally I liked P&P, it was waaaay more fun than Emma.


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Jarvis @Kai, I totally agree, I absolutely love some classics and then there are some with I don't but that doesn't mean I didn't get them. I just didn't like the book because it did not interest me.
I appreciated you taking a stand there. :D


Daniel Haha--you guys are hilarious--and super quick to label someone a "pseudo-intellectual." No worries, your un-Austenian and heavy-handed brand of sarcasm amuses me. I didn't elaborate because I'm lazy not because I'm unable to--and because it seems hopeless given the way you approach a work of literature far-removed from your daily life). I made my comment simply because your super-cute review doesn't seem to have registered or acknowledged the novel's most distinctive features. Emma is Austen's most rhetorically complex novel, riddled with a dramatic irony that gives almost every sentence a double or triple meaning. It's pointless to explain this--and other properties of the novel--to someone who is determined to dislike it, though. Fire away--or don't fire; I don't care.


message 42: by Jarvis (last edited Apr 15, 2018 11:19AM) (new) - added it

Jarvis You don't get it, do you? It isn't about one disliking/not getting a work of literature. It is about accepting the fact that you may love a book that the other person may not like and that doesn't mean they are being apathetic towards the literary importance of that book. It is just them expressing their views about the book in their own review. Nobody is ever determined to hate something. It will just make them ignorant and I am sure that is not the case here. :)


message 43: by Daniel (last edited Apr 15, 2018 08:32PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Daniel I see where you're coming from. I understand your framework of "subjective opinions" and "preferences" (and of course agree that there's room for opinion and preference). But the whole discourse of it's-all-subjective-can't-you-understand-that? can be as limiting as it is freeing, as it suggests that all opinions are equally well-informed and deserving of attention--and that there's no point in rigorously discussing something or of entertaining the idea that one might have missed some of the most important aspects of the novel (because after all, one's opinion is one's opinion, etc.). If someone has thought long and hard about a book for a long time and striven to understand its context and structure and themes, etc., and another person has only given enough thought to dismiss it without identifying a single one of its merits, their "subjective opinion" is very possibly unsound.

Someone's "view" or "personal opinion" of a book is as authoritative as the evidence that can be summoned to support it. I know I'm being over-the-top-crazy, but if you want to know my real grudge: I think it's annoying that such an unfair review is voted to be the fifth one on Emma's goodread page. It's one of the first things people who are are wondering whether or not they should read the novel see when they look up the page, and it seems disrespectful to Austen (and just plain inaccurate)--the ramblings of someone who is more eager to give his opinion than to carefully think about what he's speaking). Sorry this is a sensitive subject for me. I'm a PhD student in literature, and Austen worked so hard to carefully craft this novel and did such a BRILLIANT job, but reviews like this (as is obvious from the comments) turn people off from the novel, and I find this really sad. I'm sorry for being so aggressive and grumpy. I just have such a soft spot for Austen and Emma in particular, which is one of the greatest and most ingenious 19th-century novels.

Let me just add--that if I could somehow have one hour with Jason (although that's impossible, lol), I'm sure I would be able to convince him that there are layers he hasn't picked up on. he speaks, in one of his comments, about "nothing much intriguing going on" after Volume one, when this couldn't be further from the case. Volume 2 is notoriously difficult and the one readers struggle with most because Austen forces us to sit with extreme uncertainty for hundreds of pages--but there are elaborate plots going on "behind the scenes" so that behind the curtain of each sentence, so to speak, SO MUCH IS GOING ON. It's crazy how much is going on. It's dizzying (way more than the Frank-Jane engagement). In volumes 2 and 3, she's teaching Emma and the reader something Emma didn't get the first time round(after the Harriet-Elton revelation); she's teaching them about the very limits and structure of human knowledge--that, as Cowper says, we create what we see. What's unfolding in volume 2 and 3 is a fiendishly difficult detective story that is riddle-like in its structure (recall the Harriet-Elton charade) and that lurks in the background. I don't have time to go on, but my dear friends, I encourage you to give this another shot. I should also mention that volume two is notorious for its difficulty (many people quit at this point); I agree that it produces a sensation that nothing is going on, but this is just an illusion which the detective-reader must unveil. And it's not just Emma who is implicated in blundering-- ALL of the characters misread one another, even Knightley, who is convinced that Emma loves Frank. Austen is trying to say something about our capacity to know each other based on empirical observation. She's offering a humbling vision of the world in which no one--not even Emma Woodhouse,, Queen Bee of Highburry--can control other characters' destinies or have god-like access to characters' thoughts. Something about the nature of love and courtship transcends human maneuvering.


message 44: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Danny wrote: "I see where you're coming from. I understand your framework of "subjective opinions" and "preferences" (and of course agree that there's room for opinion and preference). But the whole discourse of..."

Okay, I do get it now. That's much better than a "lol you didn't get it", because when someone comes at me like that I'm usually not very openminded to listen to them.

I'd feel the same way if someone wrote a review like this about a book that I not only love but believe it to be a masterpiece. Maybe I'll reread this one day, hopefully with more background information and then I might just be able to see the genius in it. But for now, I'm not in the mood to pick it up again anytime soon, since my experience with it was, well, not good and I struggled with every single line.


Daniel Fair enough! Sounds good. Sorry for my insufferable tone.


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CrayZey I couldn't have agreed with you more. Like you, the first book I read from Jane Austen was Pride and Prejudice and I honestly loved it. So, I considered reading more of her works and continued with Emma. The events that happened were just so disappointing. At the end of the book I felt like it was a waste of one week of my life. Your comment about Emma and her father's conversations were spot on. I mean, 80% of the dialogues in this book were such a waste of paper and my time. I'm too scared to read Austen anymore :D


message 47: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Zeynep wrote: "I couldn't have agreed with you more. Like you, the first book I read from Jane Austen was Pride and Prejudice and I honestly loved it. So, I considered reading more of her works and continued with..."

I definitely want to read more Austen books but I'm also not sure where to start. I don't want another disappointment like this one.


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Shaimaa I loved both 'Pride and Prejudice' and 'Sense and Sensibility', but I DNF'ed 'Emma'. I just could not read much of it.


Lucy#2 McLean I agree. I read this because my friends recommended it but I didn't really enjoy it. Personally as I was reading it my mind wandered and I couldn't focus on the story. I didn't finish this one.


message 50: by Kai (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kai Spellmeier Shaimaa wrote: "I loved both 'Pride and Prejudice' and 'Sense and Sensibility', but I DNF'ed 'Emma'. I just could not read much of it."

I almost did the same thing


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