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On the Road by Jack Kerouac
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A View from the Couch

OTR has received some negative reviews lately, so I thought I would try to explain my rating.

This novel deserves to lounge around in a five star hotel rather than languish in a lone star saloon.

Disclaimer

Please forgive my review. It is early morning and I have just woken up with a sore head, an empty bed and a full bladder.

Confesssion

Let me begin with a confession that dearly wants to become an assertion.

I probably read this book before most of you were born.

So there!

Wouldn't you love to say that!

If only I had the courage of my convictions.

Instead, I have only convictions, and they are many and varied.

However, I am sure that by the end of my (this) sentence, I shall be released.

Elevated to the Bar

I read OTR in my teens, which were spread all over the end of the 60's and the beginning of the 70's.

My life was dominated by Scouting for Boys.

I mean the book, not the activity.

My mantra was "be prepared", although at the time I didn't realise that this actually meant "be prepared for war".

After reading OTR, my new mantra was "be inebriated".

Mind you, I had no idea what alcohol tasted like, but it sounded good.

Gone were two boys in a tent and three men in a boat.

OTR was about trying to get four beats in a bar, no matter how far you'd travelled that day.

Typing or Writing

Forget whether it was just typing rather than writing.

That was just Truman Capote trying to dot one of Dorothy Parker's eyes.

This is like focusing on the mince instead of the sausage.

All Drums and Symbols

You have to appreciate what OTR symbolised for people like me.

It was "On the Road", not "In the House" or "In the Burbs".

It was about dynamism, not passivity.

It wasn't about a stream of consciousness, it was about a river of activity.

It was about "white light, white heat", not "white picket fences".

Savouring the Sausage

OK, your impressions are probably more recent than mine.

Mine are memories that have been influenced by years of indulgence. (I do maintain that alcohol kills the unhealthy brain cells first, so it is actually purifying your brain.)

I simply ask that you overlook the mince and savour the sausage.

Beyond Ephemerality

I would like to make one last parting metaphor.

I have misappropriated it from the musician, Dave Graney.

He talks about "feeling ephemeral, but looking eternal".

Dave comes from the Church of the Latter Day Hipsters.

He is way cooler than me, he even looks great in leather pants, in a spivvy kinda way.

However, I think the point he was making (if not, then the point I am making) is that most of life is ephemeral. It just happens and it's gone forever.

However, in Dave's case, the way he looks, the way he feels, he turns it into something eternal.

It's his art, his music, our pleasure, our memories (at least until we die).

Footnotes on Cool

Creativity and style are our last chance attempt to defy ephemerality and mortality and become eternal.

Yes, all that stuff between the bookends of OTR might be typing, it might be preserving ephemerality that wasn't worthy or deserving.

However, the point is the attempt to be your own personal version of cool.

Heck, no way am I cool like the Beats or James Dean or Marlon Brando or Jack Nicholson or Clint Eastwood or Keith Richards or Camille Paglia.

However, I am trying to live life beyond the ephemeral.

That's what OTR means to me.

If it doesn't mean that to you, hey, that's alright. I'm OK, you're OK. It's cool.

Original posted: March 01, 2011
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Paul Bryant Nice one, Ian - this is pretty much my memories of JK too. You should check out Jessica's review though (you may have done so already) - it's a killer.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Thanks, Paul
My review was partly a response to Jessica's review, which I loved.
Mind you, when I said "lately", I had forgotten that she wrote hers in 2007.
BTW, can you remember which one of your friends started a brilliant review with a riff about how all the good books and debates had already happened.
That's how I feel sometimes, a week into GReadership, but I plough on.


Paul Bryant no, that one does not ring a bell - if you find it again, remind me!


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I remembered it was Mariel on Klaus Kinski Uncut. Lucky I have Google History.


Paul Bryant I told Mariel, she will like that!


Velvetink Mariel's Kalus Kinski = gold.
Who is Jessica so I can read her review? thanks.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Velvetink wrote: "Mariel's Kalus Kinski = gold.
Who is Jessica so I can read her review? thanks."


Here is a link:
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/41...
I'm following her reviews. I'm not game enough to friend her, in case she doesn't like me.
BTW, I am reformatting some of my older reviews from when I didn't know how to use html, so I hope you don't mind reading some of this stuff, if you've already seen it before.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Velvetink wrote: "Mariel's Kalus Kinski = gold.
Who is Jessica so I can read her review? thanks."


Sorry, that was rude of me.
Here is the link to her actual review:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...


message 9: by Velvetink (last edited Apr 14, 2011 06:33PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Velvetink Ian wrote: "Velvetink wrote: "Mariel's Kalus Kinski = gold.
Who is Jessica so I can read her review? thanks."

Here is a link:
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/41...
I'm following her reviews. I'm n..."


Thanks Ian for the link... hehe yeah I get like that too "in case they don't like me"...
Apologies because I should have commented on this before when I read it a while ago...
You hit it perfectly - the essence of OTR is about ." the attempt to be your own personal version of cool."
I should write my own thoughts down, but need a bomb under me to activate the adrenaline necessary. :0

On re-reads I find I have some issues with OTR but essentially the essence remains the same. But I guess to a lot of johnny-come-latelys' it doesn't mean what it means to us old timers. lol.


Velvetink Thanks again, stupidly due to lack of brain organisational power I forgot I am already following her. I just read her review & she has issue with OTR & the whole need of male's for coolness. The funny thing is that when I originally read OTR which I believe I read before anything by Germaine Greer or the like, I naturally assumed that particular "coolness" was my right too & OTR set up a lifelong need to explore and harness/release creativeness, & to shuck off chains so to speak and hit the road. And I did take that part of it to heart.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Velvetink wrote: "The funny thing is that when I originally read OTR which I believe I read before anything by Germaine Greer or the like, I naturally assumed that particular "coolness" was my right too & OTR set up a lifelong need to explore and harness/release creativeness, & to shuck off chains so to speak and hit the road. And I did take that part of it to heart. "

Which is why would-be cool guys like me love you to bits and pieces.
We should also (re-)read this (I can't find my copy unfortunately):
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/94...


Velvetink Ian wrote: "Velvetink wrote: "The funny thing is that when I originally read OTR which I believe I read before anything by Germaine Greer or the like, I naturally assumed that particular "coolness" was my righ..."

While I knew of Joyce Johnson & other beat women I've not read anything specific by them - the result of Australian local libraries sucking badly over the years.. I think this calls for a Book Depository visit.

Reading an interview in last Sunday's paper with Ita Buttrose (way older than me) I was reminded
again how "hard it was for women or(insert any downtrodden minority of your choice here) back then - to find their own individuality", though it was just as hard from my teens to mid 20's (albeit with light filtering through). While I don't want to sound like an old fogey the younger folk of today have No Clue what it was like then or how hard to shuck off the embedded post war stiff greyness of the 40's - 50's. OTR gave many people a vehicle in which to start that process.


message 13: by Ian (last edited Dec 07, 2011 07:04AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Velvetink wrote: "Reading an interview in last Sunday's paper with Ita Buttrose (way older than me) I was reminded again how "hard it was for women or(insert any downtrodden minority of your choice here) back then - to find their own individuality""
Damn, I knew I should have read that interview.
I looked at it and thought, "is there anything I need to know about her that I don't know already?" and I decided no.
I am not a good reader of weekend magazines or glossies.
I like the review section better.
If only they would put it up online within a reasonable time.
Most daughters would get a shock if they learned that a female teacher used to have to resign when she got married.
Nowadays, most people can't afford their mortgage unless there are two salaries coming in.
I don't know whether we should call this example liberation though.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Velvetink wrote: "Reading an interview in last Sunday's paper with Ita Buttrose..."

V, there's a two part documentary on Ita and Cleo on the ABC this Sunday and Monday at 8:30pm. Sounds very interesting.


Velvetink Ian wrote: "Velvetink wrote: "Reading an interview in last Sunday's paper with Ita Buttrose..."

V, there's a two part documentary on Ita and Cleo on the ABC this Sunday and Monday at 8:30pm. Sounds very inter..."


Thanks I will watch it. I don't buy newspapers anymore,(& have no idea of the programs on)- I only came across the Ita article while visiting my father. The article was mostly vague, you didn't miss much, but it did invoke memories of the 70's for me. She was already entrenched in publishing when I started in a competing magazine & was really the only woman around (in Sydney at least) to look to for inspiration.


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A.J. Howard Nice review. When I talked about this one being a temporal classic, I didn't mean that it should be read at certain age. I just thought that the book would have meshed my particular self-image at 18. I don't think there's an optimum age for this book, but there's probably an optimum sensibility. For a book that is not naive, there's a sense of romanticism throughout the book. I think some readers, especially those whom this once would have resonated with, are put off by it.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye A.J. wrote: "Nice review. When I talked about this one being a temporal classic, I didn't mean that it should be read at certain age. I just thought that the book would have meshed my particular self-image at 18. I don't think there's an optimum age for this book, but there's probably an optimum sensibility. For a book that is not naive, there's a sense of romanticism throughout the book. I think some readers, especially those whom this once would have resonated with, are put off by it."

"Optimum sensibility" is a great way of saying what you mean. (So was "temporal classic".)
I hope this sensibility or romanticism isn't lost to people or readers forever.
I've just seen the films of "Brighton Rocks" and "Never Let Me Go" in the space of two days.
I think I'm ready for something light-hearted like "Arthur".


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Ha ha. So it's like trying to relive a dream or date an ex-girlfriend?

Give me my beat back. Give me a little back beat.


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Paul Bryant One of your bestest, reviews, Ian, having reread it.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Thanks, Paul.


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Mary Oh dear, I have to admit that as a member of our boomer generation I never read OTR :/. Precisely because I considered it a boy's book brought out the "feminist" decision to not read it because ... well who knows!:) We were so new in this feminism thing that our outrages and lack of were misguided. I have always told myself I would read this and someday I will. And I will borrow it from my 31 year old son who raved over its' excellence when he was young.


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Paul Bryant but please note Mike's message 18 above!


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Mary I do not want to be cruel to Mr. Kerouac yet I don't necessarily believe that age reflects ones true sense of self- if anything I have more of an interest to read it to remember what it was like to feel so emboldened and wise ( or so I thought) at that age. I really hate to think that because of age, mentally I am not young enough in heart and mind to still understand the appeal of the work. And at this doddering age maybe I will learn from it too :)


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I'll re-read it soon, paired with the women's perspective:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/94...

"Realistic rather than flamboyant, Johnson succeeds in portraying the Beats not as oddities or celebrities but as individuals. In wry retrospect, she recognizes the folly of young women rebelling against their well-meaning parents only to become subservient to indifferent men."—The New Yorker


Michael Okay Ian....I too will give it another try....someday. There are so many great books to read and write, but I'll try to fit it in again before I die. I'll roll something, or pour something and try to re-arrange my mind to be as receptive as possible....mgc


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Hi, Mike, there's always the possibility that you might be right and I might be wrong.

You might also be interested in this book:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

Beware, though, I'm more beat and post-punk than hippie, so my anti-hippie bias might offend you ;)


Michael Differing views and opinions don't offend me...they make life interesting. About the only way anyone can offend me, is to get right up in my face when your breath stinks....mgc


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Ian "Marvin" Graye "War, children, it's just bad breath away."


Richard Derus My life was dominated by Scouting for Boys.

I mean the book, not the activity.


Mine was the activity, not the book, but I relate still and all.


message 30: by Ian (last edited Dec 20, 2011 12:45PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I suppose that, in the absence of a God or a Guru, I was longing for a goddess or a girl guide.

Still and all, I'm sure there are male equivalents.


Michael ref. #29.....Mick never said it any better....mgc


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Michael G. wrote: "ref. #29.....Mick never said it any better....mgc"

I'll listen to it next.


Michael Ian...you know that you and I are now dancing in time. Unless I'm incorrect....for me, where you are it is tomorrow.....mgc


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Almost. I woke up this morning in the mood for some blues. Derek someone at the Fillmore.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I mightn't be a hippie, but I do like those Bellbottom Blues.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Michael G. wrote: "Ian...you know that you and I are now dancing in time. Unless I'm incorrect....for me, where you are it is tomorrow.....mgc"

Sorry, it is tomorrow here. It just feels like today.


message 37: by Richard (last edited Dec 20, 2011 03:08PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Richard Derus "When Tomorrow Feels Like Today: The Philosophy of Ian Graeyea"

In remainder bins throughout Canberra, Darwin, and Alice Springs soon!


message 38: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye You mean, in reminder bins all over GoodReads.


Richard Derus GoodReads? Sir, you aim too high! *This* is a cosmopolitan place! Imagine anyone here paying you any mind!


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Can't you just watch while I mine my own busyness?


Richard Derus LOL

I retire to the lists. The filed is yourn.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Hey, I'm not punished yet. You can't yourn until I'm ready to go to bed.


Richard Derus Don't tell me your fantasies, please. Just go spank the Monkey. You'll be the butter for it.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Shovel's already gone to bed. I'm going to have to do this single-handedly. G'night, sleep tight.


Richard Derus G'night, sleep tight.

Always.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Thanks, Shan, I can only achieve this one sentence at a time, whereas I love the fact that you can do it for a whole review.


robert Ian, a fabulous review. You explicitly state something I've unconsciously felt but could never quite put into words re: fashion/cool.


Emily I read it in my teens when I immigrated to Canada and I loved it! For chunks of my childhood, I lived, quite literally, on the road, traveling around Europe. It was comforting that someone, somewhere, at some time, had experienced that nomad lifestyle. With cheap cafeteria style roadside bars and a Spanish truck driver who resembled an ape who taught me card tricks. What I loved about the book was that he captured the crazies and the atmosphere. Even on a different continent/decade/age group. That same buzz of excitement that I feel traveling. Dean wasn't admirable and left much to be desired, even I saw that as a teenage girl. But I found reassurance in the story. Other people enjoyed living on the road too. There are more negative reviews than one might expect. Did people expect him to be enlightened or a good person? Artists aren't necessarily either. Anyway, I enjoyed your review.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Thanks, Emily. This was one of the first reviews I did after I joined GR. I didn't re-read the novel and I think it started as a post on someone else's review.

I really related to the things that you found in the book when I read it. I can't say that I've travelled the world in first class, but I haven't hitch-hiked either. Still I treat the world as an adventure.

I want to re-read the novel sometime soon. To be honest, with the number of negative reviews, I'm a little apprehensive that it might be a different book to the one I recall. I hope not.


Emily I don't read books or watch movies twice. Either I remember the story or I don't remember because it just wasn't that memorable. The best stories stick.

I've never hitch-hiked and didn't travel 1st class as a kid. It definitely wasn't glamorous but it was exciting and there was so much to learn. I've gone soft as an adult. I tend to fly instead of drive and even then, I go business or 1st class. It's enough to make my father roll his eyes at me.


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