ŷ

Ian "Marvin" Graye's Reviews > From Socrates to Sartre: The Philosophic Quest

From Socrates to Sartre by T.Z. Lavine
Rate this book
Clear rating

by
5022264
's review

really liked it
bookshelves: cul-poli-phil-art, reviews-4-stars, read-2012, reviews, sartre, hegel, kant, hume

WRITTEN PENDING A REVIEW:

Sometimes it's easier to write a song than to read (and understand) Philosophy...

The Philosophers� Song

Though Plato drank lots of expensive red wine
He could faithfully draw a Divided Line,
Work a Tripartite Soul into his story
And turn a Cave into an Allegory.

René Descartes knew when it was time to drink
He could not be, unless he was fit to think
Skepticism led to Self-Evident Truth
And a World with Mechanical Attributes.

Young David Hume was a well-meaning critter
The Empiricist learned, after a bitter,
It’s not Logic that guides all of our Actions
Reason itself is a slave of the Passions.

The Ideal form of a red wine and bagel
Appealed to German philosopher Hegel
While all History is Dialectical,
His Spirits were Phenomenological.

Revolutionary vision made Marx see red
So much so that Hegel was turned on his head
And Dialectical Materialists
Revolted, forever, German Idealists.

Jean Paul Sartre defined Existentialism
As the ultimate form of Humanism
He proved he was capable of Joie de Vivre
By not asking Simone de Beauvoir to leave.


METAPHYSICAL GRAFITTI:

Monty Python - "The Bruces' Philosophers� Song" [Live at the Hollywood Bowl]"



Monty Python - "Philosophy Football: Germany vs. Greece" [Live at the Hollywood Bowl]"



Thanks to Kris for reminding me about these performances.


Male Philosophy Student and Metaphysical Poet Seeks Indie Girl with Bob Haircut

I think, I hope
That I could be
What you long for
In a lover.


AN APPENDED REVIEW:

The Position of the Mission

I read this book as part of a private mission to acquire an historical context within which to do some more focused philosophical reading.

I never studied philosophy as a discrete subject or course. Instead, my background was in political philosophy and ideology.

I studied Modern Political Thought and the Theory and Practice of Marxism.

Later, I did some undergraduate studies in Semiotics through the French Department, which also gave me some access to Structuralism.

Modern Political Thought was Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau. Marxism was Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao and various Euro-Communists.

I now feel frustrated that I only ever read Hegel through the eyes of Marx.

One of the goals of my mission is to better understand Hegel with a different set of eyes. Another is to better understand the implications of Marx turning Hegel on his head.

But ultimately, I wanted to understand how both Hegel and Marx fit into the History of Western Philosophy, including the period since Marx� death.

I didn’t choose this work by Lavine for any reason other than the fact that I found a second hand copy for $4.50.

This is half the cost of a good glass of wine or beer, but I gained a lot more pleasure out of this book (and I still get to have a drink).

The Form

The title of the book says something of its scope. However, in truth, it’s a bit misleading.

Sixteen philosophers feature in the overview, only six of them have sections dedicated to them, and Socrates isn’t one of them.

Here is the list, with the six in bold:

Heraclitus, Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Hume, Kant, Hegel, Marx, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre, Husserl, Heidgger, Wittgenstein.

Fans of Philosophy or Monty Python might quibble about the choice or the on-ground time of members of this squad, but ultimately I really enjoyed this primer.

The Substance

Up until the sections on Sartre and the back three, Lavine summarises the tenets of each philosopher’s work in an accessible manner, but also in a way that builds a 1,200 year narrative out of intensely conceived and projected philosophical memes.

The book isn’t just a personal race, an individual marathon, but a relay, with philosophers passing the baton across decades and centuries, until Lavine, their proxy, reaches us and places the baton in our hand, from which point, we’re supposed to think and be and do.

Maybe this analogy is a bit artificial, one that Lavine might not have related to, but her achievement has been to turn what could have been a dry topic into something that a larger audience could relate to.

In other words, if you’re a literary reader who’s happy to skim la crème de la crème, this isn’t a bad place to start.

The Spirit Leveller

My main reservation is the sections on Sartre and contemporaneous trends like Logical Positivism and Analytic Philosophy.

Up until Sartre, she structured each chapter in short succinct paragraphs, often with numbered arguments.

When she arrives at Sartre, the paragraphs are longer, as if she has swallowed, but not digested, and just regurgitated, material that she did not personally relate to.

Synthesis

So for me, this book is a great overview of philosophy up to Sartre in the sense that he built on both Kierkegaard and Marx, but we will need to supplement it with something else that deals with subsequent movements.

Further Reading

I might start here:

A Hundred Years of Philosophy


AN UPENDED REVIEW:

Homo Logico-Philosophicus ("The Philosophic Conquest" or "The Attractatus of a Man for a Woman: A Thesis in 33 Sexual Propositions")

1. In the beginning, there was a Man.

2. Because there was nothing much else around or in his head, he was surrounded by Empiricism.

3. Just when Man had got his head around Empiricism, a Woman turned up.

4. From his dick, the Man heard a word, and the word was Lust.

5. When asked to put this thing there, the Woman had no logical reason to object.

6. The Man thought he had discovered the Good Life.

7. The next morning, there was a new word, and the word was Love.

8. The Man said, “What do you mean, Love, look at this. Why don’t you do that thing that you did last night?�

9. The Woman taught Man the meaning of Negation.

10. In a moment of weakness, the Woman later taught Man the meaning of Persistence.

11. Nine months later, a baby girl was born to the Woman.

12. Tragically, three months later, the baby died.

13. After much grieving and blaming, the Man decided that, if there was an Effect, there must be a Cause.

14. The Woman said, “Hmmm?� and folded her arms inquisitively.

15. The Man thought that, even though the Effect was Visible, the Cause must be Invisible.

16. The Man decided that the Cause must be something Perfect and that all People must be Imperfect.

17. People must be Bad and this other thing must be Good.

18. The Man suggested that the Good Thing should be called God and that God would be a Man.

19. The Woman objected, because she was a Good Thing and, up until then, the Man had called her a Goddess.

20. The Man consulted other Men, and decided to establish a Church that could defeat the arguments of the Goddesses.

21. In time, the Church oppressed not just Women, but Men as well.

22. Men started to question the existence of God and the authority of the Church.

23. Some Men wondered whether they should respect and worship Women instead of God.

24. “Don’t be fricken stupid,� said their male friends.

25. Men started to believe in one thing and one thing only, and that was their Consciousness.

26. Women looked at these Men and said, “What about us, what about the kids, what about real life?�

27. The Men said, “You do not exist. I am complete, unto myself.�

28. The Women looked at each other and said, “I told you they were fricken stupid.�

29. One of the Women said, “If we wait, maybe they will come around to our point of view?�

30. The other Women looked at her and said, “Are you fricken stupid?�

31. One of the Women said, “I think it’s time for some Music.�

32. One of the other Women said, “Do you think that we can sort this out while the Music is playing?�

33. All of the other Women looked at her and said, “Are you fricken stupid?�


description

Image: André Carrilho, New York Times


THE PHILOSOPHY OF LOVE

Turning Your Back on Love

Love is not an express concern of Lavine, although it is something I started to wonder about as I read the book.

The earlier Philosophers were concerned with ethical questions about how to live a Good Life and how to be Happy.

Even now, if we want to think about these issues, the thoughts of the early Philosophers are just as valid and influential as they have been at any point in history, perhaps because it’s not possible to improve on what they said.

Possibly because they did their job so well, the concerns of Philosophy appeared to move on.

An early concern was the relationship between the Individual and God (or the Gods).

Similarly, the relationship between the Individual and the State became a concern.

Ultimately, the area of Philosophy which has attracted the most academic interest and continued to change or develop the most has been Metaphysics, which concerns the nature of Being and the relationship between the Individual and the World.

One reason for the developments was the influence of scientific theories and discoveries on the concept of Mind.

I Have Only My Self to Blame

My reading of the Philosophy described by Lavine was that it became increasingly abstract and focused on individual Consciousness, almost to the point of Solipsism (the belief that only your own mind is sure to exist).

Within this framework, there is only the Self, and Consciousness reigns.

The focus of Philosophy seems to have become the Self, in isolation.

Relational Philosophy

What has fallen by the wayside is any philosophical interest in relationships between the Individual or Self (on the one hand) and God, the State and other People (on the other hand).

Even Ethics seems to have perished, because the Individual has become the source of all value in substitution for Society.

I, the Individual, need only act in my own self-interest.

So, what has gone missing is any philosophical interest in Love and/or what I will call Fraternity (or Social Harmony), the relationship between People.

“We� have ceased to be of interest to Philosophy, only “I� am its concern.

What follows below are some speculative extrapolations on the views of the key Philosophers discussed by Lavine.

Descartes

While reading Lavine on Descartes, I felt that he was too analytical and was determined to place concepts and things in boxes.

At the risk of oversimplifying Descartes, what seemed to be missing was the relationship between the separate concepts or things or boxes.

While he still used a concept of cause and effect, there was no sense of dynamism.

There was no sense that sunburn is the reaction of one thing (the skin of the Self) to another thing (the sun).

Hume

By the time you get to Hume, the sensory takes over. Except that it becomes almost an over-reaction to the lack of relationship in Descartes.

The relationship between two concepts or things is all. The sensory is all.

What is missing in the case of Hume is the Self or the “I�.

Hume almost seems to argue that there is no ongoing "I" or Self or Ego, that we are constantly changing packages or buckets of sensory reactions or relationships.

I am what I feel. I feel therefore I am.

Except the "I" is different from the "I" of Descartes.

There is no sense of myself with which I can identify with.

So at this point in Lavine, something in me wanted to put the "I" back in the Self or Identity.

We are not just an aggregate of reactions or relationships.

There is a Self and there is an Other. There is an I and there is a You.

There is You, I and our Relationship or sensory experience of each other (of Each Other).

In other words, there is Love, but it is Love between two discrete People.

Descartes focussed on boxes. Hume focussed on sensory experience.

The synthesis is to come up with heart-shaped boxes that relate to each other.

Philosophy must make room for Love.

Hegel

By the time we get to Hegel, the relation of one Individual to another starts off as a Master and Slave Dialectic, the ultimate Stranger Danger, in which the two engage in a Struggle unto Death.

There is no sense of two warriors raising their open hands in a gesture of peace or two people falling in love at first sight.

The relationship is intrinsically suspicious and antagonistic. The two are a Negation of each other.

The exception for Hegel is the Family, in which the Individual is a Member, as opposed to an independent person.

Love, within the Family, is the Mind’s feeling or sense of its own Unity.

This sense of Unity or Oneness is something that the Individual cannot have in the broader Community.

Marx

Marx describes Love as a passion that undermines Tranquility.

Yet, he also seemed to view mutual Love as a condition that should be aspired to:

"If you love without evoking love in return � that is, if your loving as loving does not produce reciprocal love; if through a living expression of yourself as a loving person you do not make yourself a beloved one, then your love is impotent � a misfortune."

Sartre

Sartre sees Love in similar negative terms to Hegel.

In all relationships, we either enslave the Other or the Other enslaves us.

Lavine’s section on Sartre finishes on this note, although in the final section on the Contemporary Philosophical Scene she analyses Sartre’s conversion to Marxism as an embrace of the social and an attempt to find a form of Humanism in Existentialism.

It’s interesting that, when France was occupied by Germany and the French people were oppressed by the German forces, Sartre turned to a philosophy of Fraternity and Engagement to help overthrow the Germans.

Making Our Own Way From Negation to Elation

The remainder of the book discusses Logical Positivism and Analytic Philosophy.

It is more overtly concerned with developments in the understanding of the working of the Mind and Consciousness.

Thus, it retreats from concepts that hint at, or would allow us to construct, a Social Philosophy and a Philosophy of Love.

Because these are not central concerns of Lavine, we never get to hear what she would have thought about these concepts, at least not in this book.

So, we are left alone, on our own, together.

We have to create our own Philosophy of Love.

My Love.


PHILOSOPHY FOR LEMONHEADS:

Musical Interlewd:

It’s impossible to understand Philosophy in the 21st century without being intimate with the lyrics of Evan Dando of the Lemonheads.

But first, check out these songs:

”Being Around�:



”Big Gay Heart�:



”It's About Time�:



”Bit Part�:



See what I mean, now how am I going to refocus you on Philosophy? Well, with a Glossary, only this is no common or garden variety Glossary.


A Glossary of Country and Western Philosophy (According to Evan Dando with a little help from Gram Parsons)

Bodyism

“If I was your body, would you still wear clothes?�

Boogerism

“If I was a booger, would you blow your nose?�

Exhibitionism

“I'm just trying really hard to make you notice me being around.�

Hedonism

“I don't need you to suck my dick or to help me feel good about myself.�

Logical Positivism

“If you can find a way to add it up, it might be hard, but it might be enough.�

Negativism

� Nobody, nobody has got no one to go to.�

Nihilism

“They always go bye the bye. The great big no. The great big no.�

Objectivism

“Why can't you look after yourself and not down on me?�

Rationalism

“I'm just trying to give myself a reason for being around.�

Relativism

“It's about time.�

Sado-Masochism

“I'd be grateful, I'd be satisfied.�

Solipsism

“Take a look into some big grey eyes and ask yourself
You wanna make 'em cry?
Lookin' out of them it's just as well
But you're gonna live to see I'm gonna ask you why.�


Utilitarianism

“Do you have to try to piss me off just 'cause I'm easy to please?�


PHILOSOPHICAL DIALOGUE WITH A FRIEND:

Friend:

Philosophy is the art and science of understanding the Invisible.

DJ Ian:

If you can't see it, how do you know it exists? How do you know it's there?

Friend:

Philosophy is like friends. The absence of a friend does not mean that they are not there or that they are not your friend.

Sextus Propertius:

Always toward absent lovers, love's tide stronger flows.

DJ Ian:

Thanks, Sextus...Sextus? Are you still there? Sextus?

Sextus Propertius:

Yes, Ian. Calm down, I'm still here. I just had my headphones up a bit loud.

DJ Ian:

What were you listening to?

Sextus Propertius:

R.E.M. I really love that band.


SOUNDTRACK:

R.E.M. - "I Believe" [from the album "Lifes Rich Pageant"]



Buzzcocks - "I Believe"



Magazine - "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)"



Magazine - "Believe That I Understand"

A Hundred Years of Philosophy

Beatles - "All You Need is Love"





THE LAST OF THE GREAT METAPHYSICAL POETS

Beatles - "All You Need is Love"
Lennon/McCartney


Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.


A Trainspotter's Guide to the Beatles Video

At 2:22, we see the back of a beautiful shirt. At 2:39, we see who is wearing it.



PLATO? ARISTOTLE?? SOCRATES??? MORONS!!!

The Princess Bride - Battle of Wits

64 likes · flag

Sign into ŷ to see if any of your friends have read From Socrates to Sartre.
Sign In »

Reading Progress

March 3, 2011 – Shelved
March 3, 2011 – Shelved as: cul-poli-phil-art
August 25, 2012 – Started Reading
September 13, 2012 –
page 104
24.41% "I know. How dare I wrote a poem when I'm only a quarter of the way through."
September 19, 2012 –
page 152
35.68%
September 20, 2012 –
page 187
43.9% "This is an indirect way of pursuing my own quest, but I'm glad I'm doing it this way."
September 22, 2012 –
page 274
64.32%
September 23, 2012 –
page 447
100% "Now the review..."
September 23, 2012 – Finished Reading
September 26, 2012 – Shelved as: reviews-4-stars
September 26, 2012 – Shelved as: reviews
September 26, 2012 – Shelved as: read-2012
October 25, 2012 – Shelved as: sartre
November 21, 2012 – Shelved as: hegel
July 2, 2013 – Shelved as: kant
July 2, 2013 – Shelved as: hume

Comments Showing 1-50 of 394 (394 new)


Kris I'm trying to decide which is my favorite stanza. Referring to Hume as a well-meaning critter is up there, but I think my favorite is your rhyming Hegel with bagel.

Well-done - it's like MP's the Philosophers' Song with some actual reference to their writings thrown in.

Here's another good MP philosophy-related skit:

Have you finished Lavine?


message 2: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Kris wrote: "I'm trying to decide which is my favorite stanza. Referring to Hume as a well-meaning critter is up there

Hume's mother actually said that.

Kris wrote: "Have you finished Lavine? "

Not yet. Only about a quarter of the way through.


message 3: by Jenn(ifer) (new)

Jenn(ifer) ! awesome !


Kris I can't choose a favorite part. It's all wonderful. Now you need to set it to music.


message 5: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Jenn(ifer) wrote: "! awesome !"

Oh, Jenn, thank you, but it's just a little frippery that leaves a lot to be desired.


message 6: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Jenn(ifer) wrote: "! awesome !"

Thanks, Emma, it started off as a small cough and just became more persistent.


message 7: by Jenn(ifer) (new)

Jenn(ifer) Ian wrote: "Jenn(ifer) wrote: "! awesome !"

Oh, Jenn, thank you, but it's just a little frippery that leaves a lot to be desired."


nope. disagree


message 8: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye If you exist. Sorry, I should learn to accept compliments more graciously.


message 9: by Jenn(ifer) (new)

Jenn(ifer) do you mean if I insist?


message 10: by Ian (last edited Sep 11, 2012 03:49PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye It's an old comedy routine. "I resemble that comment. If you exist."


message 11: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye A vocabularian comedy routine


message 12: by Steve (last edited Sep 12, 2012 01:57PM) (new)

Steve I love it, Ian! Hope you don't mind a student at the Graye School of Fine Arts trying his hand after the master has shown him the way. Granted, the meter isn't the same, but there's still an Ianesque/Pythonesque quality to it, I hope:

It’s said Bertrand Russell would give you a tussle
Whenever the barman called time.
And old Monsieur Rousseau was crazy for cointreau
He drank it with squeezes of lime.

Then for wine by the cart, you couldn’t beat Sartre
Unless you were Thomas Aquinas.
And Spumante bubbles caused no end of troubles
For Signor Spinoza’s poor sinus.


message 13: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye How did I miss this, Steve? It's great. We could do the whole History of Seppelts Great Western Philosophy in drunken verse together.


message 14: by Steve (new)

Steve I like the idea of that, Ian, but am worried about keeping pace with you. That last bit ran my creative juices dry. Then again, maybe a fine Bordeaux or Barolo could replenish them. Do you have a favorite inspiration yourself for such a task?


message 15: by Traveller (last edited Sep 15, 2012 01:29AM) (new) - added it

Traveller What a co-incidence! I uncovered this book from one of my dusty bookshelves just about a week ago, and thought i must put it in the shelf at my desk so i could have an other look at it.

Your review has prompted me to take it off now and literally dust it off. :)

...so... should i open the pages? I honestly cannot remember if i read it before.... :P


message 16: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Open them and help me, Trav. I'm pondering Descartes at the moment. While I watch the Rugby.


message 17: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Coincidence -- I just finished reading about Descartes in this book earlier tonight.

I am pondering his reactions to rugby as I write this.

What do we know about rugby?

Can we build a proof of rugby's existence based on the Cogito?


message 18: by Richard (last edited Sep 15, 2012 01:50AM) (new)

Richard Ian, René has only one e on the end. Otherwise he becomes a philosopheress. Not that I have anything against philosopheresses.


message 19: by Traveller (last edited Sep 15, 2012 02:11AM) (new) - added it

Traveller Ian wrote: "Open them and help me, Trav. I'm pondering Descartes at the moment. While I watch the Rugby."

Cool. I have to take the kids to a party this (Saturday) afternoon, but perhaps i can slip in a few pages while i wait. (Though do have other things to do as well).

Luckily it's a nice tidy, relatively light volume that won't be too bulky to carry around . :)


message 20: by Traveller (new) - added it

Traveller Kris wrote: "Coincidence -- I just finished reading about Descartes in this book earlier tonight.

I am pondering his reactions to rugby as I write this.

What do we know about rugby?

Can we build a proof of..."


We seem destined to read Descartes together- if there really is such a thing as destiny... :)


message 21: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Richard wrote: "Ian, René has only one e on the end. Otherwise he becomes a philosopheress. Not that I have anything against philosopheresses."

Thanks, Richard. I've corrected it.


message 22: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Something tells me Descartes wasn't big on destiny.


message 23: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Destiny always put de horse before Descartes.


message 24: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Which works better than the alternative.


message 25: by Traveller (new) - added it

Traveller Destiny says that Trav is not getting around to reading Lavine on Descartes today... :(

Hopefully by tonight things will quieten down a bit.. or i'll be burning the midnight oil again. :P

...talking of which... weren't you supposed to be sleeping around now, Mr Pharaoh? (or is rugby keeping you up?)


message 26: by Traveller (new) - added it

Traveller Hmm, now i know why you and i disagree on Marx, Ian. You have a Platonic personality, and i have an Aristotelian one.


message 27: by Richard (new)

Richard Is that because "Men are from Marx"?


message 28: by Traveller (new) - added it

Traveller *Trav runs away from the pun-tornado looming on the horizon*


message 29: by Steve (new)

Steve She spoke with Venus vox
Of men with penis pox


message 30: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Pithy. :)


message 31: by B. P. (new)

B. P. Rinehart So what exactly is the book...conveying or what is its angle in examining philosophy?

(Oh and if you are wondering I'm Camp Kierkegaard, but don't mention that to him because we're not suppose to talk about it).


message 32: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Traveller wrote: "Hmm, now i know why you and i disagree on Marx, Ian. You have a Platonic personality, and i have an Aristotelian one."

I might have to study this comment.


message 33: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Ken wrote: "So what exactly is the book...conveying or what is its angle in examining philosophy?"

I'll get to that. Eventually. ;)


message 34: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Steve wrote: "She spoke with Venus vox
Of men with penis pox"





message 35: by Steve (new)

Steve Venus Vox rocks, sort of -- more so than Penis Pox, at least. I had no idea such a group existed. Had you heard of them, Ian?


message 36: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I know everything ;)


message 37: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Ian wrote: "I know everything ;)"

You carry the burden of your omniscience well.


message 38: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Moonbutterfly wrote: "Ian wrote: "I know everything ;)"

Well, you are using a picture of Akhenaton. Ya know, he did have 'people problems'. LOL"


Making me laugh here-people problems is a great euphemism. Not referring to you, Ian. :)


message 39: by Aloha (new) - added it

Aloha I added the book. Looks interesting. Love the review so far, Ian. In fact, I'm going to like it now although it's not done.


message 40: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Aloha wrote: "In fact, I'm going to like it now although it's not done."

I knew you'd do that ;)


message 41: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Ian wrote: "Aloha wrote: "In fact, I'm going to like it now although it's not done."

I knew you'd do that ;)"


Omniscience again. :)


message 42: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Kris wrote: "Omniscience again. :)"

I knew you'd say that. Or is that omnipresence?


message 43: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Ian wrote: "Kris wrote: "Omniscience again. :)"

I knew you'd say that. Or is that omnipresence?"


Omnipotence?


message 44: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Kris wrote: "Omnipotence?"

Haha. Feel my omnipotions.


message 45: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Omnipotentate


message 46: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Kris wrote: "Omnipotentate"

Omnipotentate of the Rose?


message 47: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Rosicrucian

(I don't want to know what a psychologist would say about my free association here....)


message 48: by Ian (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I wouldn't want to belong to a free association that would have me (or mine) as a member.


message 49: by Richard (new)

Richard Kris wrote: "Rosicrucian

(I don't want to know what a psychologist would say about my free association here....)"


A thorny issue you don't want to touch?

But I would probably have come up with that too.


message 50: by Kris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kris Not even for the secret handshake?


« previous 1 3 4 5 6 7 8
back to top