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The Crimson Petal and the White by Michel Faber
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If I had to give a one-word response to the big, sprawling monster of a faux-Victorian novel that is The Crimson Petal and the White, it would be 'WOW'. (With capitals. Yes.) At 895 pages, it's a big book, and it's not without its flaws, but such is the quality of the writing, the characterisation and the staggering amount of research that went into it that I was enthralled from beginning to end and stayed up until 4am on a weekday night to be able to read the last four hundred pages. I don't regret the sleep I lost that night; if anything, I regret that there weren't four hundred more pages to stay up for. That's how much I liked the book.

So what's it all about? Well, it's hard to sum up an 895-page story in a few lines, but basically it's about an intelligent prostitute who lives in 1870s London, wheedles her way into a rich man's life and ends up changing several lives, not least her own. She's an appealing (albeit emotionally scarred and manipulative) heroine, and she's portrayed in admirable detail. So are all the other characters, who make up one of the finest casts since the heyday of Dickens. Randy gentlemen, cross-dressing prostitutes, society-obsessed ladies with brain tumours, would-be parsons tormented by sexual fantasies, love-starved children who grow up in the servants' quarters because their mothers can't be reminded of their existence, guards who spend all the days of their lives reciting news of deathly disasters, well-bred ladies who risk expulsion from polite society to help fallen women... they're all here, and they're drawn in shockingly intimate detail. All their thoughts, dreams and fantasies are spilled out on the pages, and for the most part they're riveting. Similar candour is employed in the descriptions of actions and places. Not content with simply providing lush descriptions of Victorian splendours (although he certainly does that, too), Michel Faber gives his book a distinctly modern feel by describing things no Victorian novelist in his right mind would ever have mentioned, such as, well, sex. The Crimson Petal and the White is full of highly inelegant sex scenes, liberally sprinkled with four-letter words. In addition, it features painstakingly detailed descriptions of unmentionable things like the heroine's skin disease, the sounds, sights and smells of London's red-light district, the vaginal douches with which prostitutes tried to prevent pregnancy, the look and smell of used chamber pots, a farting concert, and so on. This may sound off-putting, but the descriptions are so vivid and so, well, interesting that they greatly add to the authenticity and local colour of the book, presenting a truly kaleidoscopic view of London in the 1870s. The result is a rich and fascinating story which is at turns utterly Victorian and thoroughly modern, dirty and elegant, highbrow and lowbrow, disgusting and engrossing. It certainly isn't for the faint of heart, but in its own daring way, it's spectacular. I would even go so far as to call it mesmerising.

As for its shortcomings, well, I guess you could say the book is a bit jarring at times. Faber has an interesting tendency to introduce characters, devote many words to them, and then suddenly and quite randomly to kill them off or otherwise lose sight of them, thus making you wonder what their point was in the first place. In a way, the sudden deaths/disappearances are as realistic as the descriptions of the chamber pots and vaginal douches (after all, death does creep up on us very suddenly, and people do really vanish from our lives like that, don't they?), but it's an uncommon device in literature, and it's a bit jarring at times, especially since it's so thoroughly un-Victorian. Aren't storylines usually tied up neatly in Victorian novels?

Which brings me to the ending. Much has been written about the ending of The Crimson Petal and the White, which is as jarring and un-Victorian as they come. There is no 'Reader, I married him' here, much less a summary of what happened to the main characters after the final curtain. Instead, the story comes to an abrupt halt, leaving the main characters in medias res. Like many readers, I was initially put off by the ending, thinking that the narrator's sudden 'But now it's time to let me go' was a paltry reward for staying with him for nearly nine hundred pages. However, the more I thought about it, the more I liked the ending. After all, what could be more fitting in a book which is largely about fantasies than to leave the reader on a note which has him fantasising about what might have happened to the characters, weighing the pros and cons of each scenario? I definitely agree that Faber should have ended the story on a less abrupt note, but I've forgiven him for the openness of the ending. It works for me, even if many other people hate it.

As for conjectures about the ending... My guess is that Sugar and Sophie end up building a new life for themselves in Australia. What do you think, those of you who have read the book?
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Kelly Heh. Romp. Prostitute. Good word choice. Hee. Hee.

... I am five years old, clearly. :)

No, I'm looking forward to hearing how this is. Its on my list too.


Paul Bryant It's 100% brilliant, I will give you your money back if you don't like it.


message 3: by Martine (last edited Mar 31, 2008 05:15AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Martine Heh. More like fourteen years old, I think. But that's all right, 'cause really, so am I. :-)

I'll let you know what I think of the book when I'm done, which may take a while as (1) I'm busy, and (2) I first want to finish my book on Victorian sexuality, which suddently seems wonderfully appropriate. Who knows what fabulous insights it will give me into this prostitute's romps... :-)


Martine Well, that's very reassuring, Paul. Thanks! As I just said to Kelly, it will probably take me a while to finish it, but I fully expect to enjoy it now. No need to part with any money just yet. :-)





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Dottie It is on the shelf in the other room and if I didn't have too many books from the library on hand which I'm going to have to renew before I get through them I'd take it down and join you, Martine.


Martine Well, I could put the reading off for a bit, Dottie, if you're keen on a joint reading experience. I haven't got started on the book yet, and I have plenty of other books that I'd like to get through soon, so, seriously, I could wait for you to join me. Who knows, perhaps Kelly will join us, too...


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Dottie I would enjoy reading it with you and Kelly if she wants to join us, but I hesitate because of the erratic nature of my schedule these days. I'll leave it up to you and if you do delay reading it I'll do my very best to be ready when you pick it up again -- is that good enough?


Eva Grace I loved it although the reviews on here seem to be mixed.

Can't wait to see what you think of it...



message 9: by Paul (last edited Mar 31, 2008 01:09PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul Bryant Might have to wait a week or so Eva, seeing as to how it's 900 pages long! By the way, "romp" is a very good word to describe some other book than this, it's very savage and melancholy a lot of the time. I love modern Victorian novels, i.e. big fat novels with the plot/character density we remember from Dickens and Wilkie Collins, and yet stuffing all the sex, filth and violence into the story which the real Victorians could never have written about. See also Fingersmith by Sarah Waters and The Quincunx by Charles Palliser, both highly recommended and both very lonnnngggg.


Martine That sounds lovely, Dottie, but on second thought I think I'll go ahead and read it on my own, after all, as Paul and Eva's ardent praise for the book has really made me quite keen on reading it. As I said to Kelly, though, it will be a slow read for me, so you may actually be able to catch up with me if you happen to have the chance to read it any time soon. If not, well, I'm sure we'll find another opportunity to discuss it. Enjoy it, whenever you get the chance to read it!


Martine All right, that settles it, Eva. I'll be reading it soon. Slowly, but soon. :-)


Martine Well, I love both Dickens and Collins, so if The Crimson Petal and the White manages to evoke that atmosphere, I'll be sure to love it. The Quincunx is very high on my list of books to read (I bought it two weeks ago and it's practically begging to be read...), and I plan to read Fingersmith, as well, so I should soon be able to hold forth at great length on these pseudo-Victorian monsters. I look forward to it. Thanks for reminding me of these modern classics!


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Dottie Fair enough -- and oh, yes, Fingersmith is quite a book.


Martine Glad you understand, Dottie. Sorry. :-)

For what it's worth, Fingersmith is getting closer to the top of my to-read list, too...


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Paul Bryant Martine, how did you get on with this monster?


Martine Sorry for my tardy response, Paul. For some reason I only just noticed your question. The answer to your question will be posted tomorrow. :-)


Kelly Martine, this is a fantastic review. I have things to say re: the update of the Victorian novel, etc., but alas I have to go to a meeting. I just couldn't resist commenting. I shall return.

(... also, I'm buying this book at lunch. Thanks. :))


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Paul Bryant Great review - I assume you know that we do find out about the further lives of the characters in Faber's little book of short stories called The Apple - you'll need to grab that one as fast as possible, it's great too, obviously!


Martine Thanks, Kelly. I look forward to reading your thoughts on the update of the Victorian novel. Bring 'em on! :-)

Thank you, too, Paul. I'm sorry you never reviewed the book yourself; you probably would have done it more justice than I did. As it happens, I wasn't in fact aware that there was a follow-up to The Crimson Petal and the White (wheeeee!), so thanks for bringing it to my attention -- looks like I have a new destination for the book voucher I got last week!

So, am I right about Sugar and Sophie going to Australia? Don't tell me to go and read The Apple -- I want to knoooooow!


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Paul Bryant Au contraire, you said pretty much everything I would have. Can't remember if you've come across another two big "modern Victorians", The Quincunx and Fingersmith - both highly recommended. Not so eye-wateringly sexually detailed, but still packing lots of stuff in which you don't get in Dickens and Wilkie Collins.


Martine Thanks. :-) Both The Quincunx and Fingersmith are on my to-read list, and I plan to read them within the next few months. First I'm going to re-acquaint myself with some real Dickens and Collins, though. Modern Victorian updates are all very nice, but for some reason I have a craving for the real thing now.


Kelly At long last, I'm finally getting to respond to this one. Sorry I sort of dashed off the last time.

I've always felt that the updates of the Victorian novel were deeply pscyhological reactions from those who had read the Victorian originals. In my opinion, they remain more true to many ideals of the era while seeming to turn things on their head in the most obvious way. Everything that was repressed in the originals, hidden behind symbols, proper Christian thought and attempted high minded preaching is thrown inside out and put on display for our voyeuristic modern audience. The equivalent of pulling up our Victorian ladies' hooped skirts and pushing down their decolletage. It seems like the authors just want to gather the Bronte sisters in front of them and scream and scream for 900 pages until they get through. I think a lot of it is wish fulfillment on our part. The cynical kind of wishes, though.

Of course there were a lot of subversive things going on at the time, Dickens was often bent on telling the truth, for instance, Thomas Hardy exposed what the harsh morality of the era did to people, pornography flourished like no other (which as you already read that victorian sexuality book, I imagine you already know) era, etc, etc. Since this book is about fantasies, and all the Victorian imagination was about fantasies, it seems to fit right into the canon. It seems like these authors do a better job of showing the duality of many people's lives- head in the clouds, feet in the muck and disease of the streets.

In some way though, I also do still feel like we're robbing the Victorians of their innocence, you know? Even if it was wrongheaded, often false, maybe only surface deep. In an era all about exposing yourself on reality television or on the street. I don't think our eras are all that different, really. We both seek to hide ourselves in illusions, we both throw ourselves into entertainment and popular imagination, stories of horror (except for them it was the now quaint seeming gothic ghost stories and shipwrecks and for us its endless twisted court cases and war coverage), we both expose ourselves in our own ways. But the difference is that due to their era's strict (at leats officially) mores, I think that writing about offences against them had a sort of deep feeling to it that we nowadays lack, having been so desensitized to things like that. Misbehaving, revealing things, showing the harsh world /meant/ something. It wasn't so run of the mill and expected, it was melodramatic and overwrought. Innocent, in its way, like I said- meaning not knowing how many millions of like horrid things happen in the same day. I wonder if modern updates really live up to that sort of pathos. I think they should. It sounds like this one does.

Anyway, that was rambling, its early, I'm sorry, but I wanted to get something out. Hopefully there was something salvageable of coherent thought in there. :)


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Paul Bryant Hi Kelly - I don't think any of us fans of the "modern Victorian novel" as it were would say that the new novels are in any way "better" than their progenitors - the constrictions of the Collinses and Dickinses make their work more poignant and more psychologically problematic, for sure, and sometimes harder to fathom, except where, as in a masterpiece like "Bleak House" the undercurrent of unmentionable sleaze and filth is made apparent (when Lady Dedlock visits Tom-all-Alone's), or say in the figure of the "Golden Dustman" and his euphemistic "dustheaps" in Our Mutual Friend. But what we do think is that it's great to be able to enjoy the detailed recreation of this rich period with no holds barred. The modern Victorians must stand or fall by their own talents. Faber, Waters and Palliser do the job with immense skill, in my opinion.


Kelly Well, thank you for giving me the perspective of the wonderfully rarefied community, Paul. Was that handed out at the last monthly meeting? :)

In all seriousness, I will absolutely be reading this, and then Quincunx after it. I tried Fingersmith and couldn't quite do it, but I still have it around for a later try. We'll see.


message 25: by Lisa (last edited Sep 07, 2012 11:25AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lisa Graves I completely agree with you about the ending. I struggle to think how he could have ended it any differently. You knew Sugar and William wouldn't be settling down together for a happy life and I really liked the fact that the end of the book was more of a beginning. Great review Martine, summed up everything I felt about this wonderful book.


Ingrid Loved this book..I couldn't put it down


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