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The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann
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Socratic Dialogues

"The Magic Mountain" is a sequel to “Death in Venice�.

Just as Plato’s Socratic Dialogues were the foundation of the novella, they guide the narrative of "TMM", a "Bildungsroman" that is concerned with the education of the protagonist, Hans Castorp, during the seven year period from ages 23 to 30.

Castorp doesn’t so much learn or grow by his physical actions. The character development is intellectual, a development which is equally apparent in both the author and the reader.

Because it's structured as a Socratic Dialogue, there is no guarantee that all readers will take the same message from the novel. Mann presents us with two, if not multiple, pedagogical or metaphysical points of view. While we might be able to infer Mann’s preference, it's not always clear, and it's left to us to draw our own conclusions.

This reinforces the reputation of the novel as one of the great works of literature, not only because its subject matter is the rival ideas upon which civilization is founded, but because it lets us be the judge.

As with Socrates, the goal is to make us think methodically about the issues, rather than to encourage us to approach them with inflexible preconceptions or to depart captive to rigid dogma.

In Which the Hero is Heightened and Enhanced

"TMM" is set in a sanatorium on a Swiss mountain, where patients suffering from tuberculosis go to receive treatment and a cure.

To do so, they must leave the flatlands of Germany and elsewhere and reside "up here" in a rarefied, pure, idealized atmosphere and world. They undergo a "change of air" and learn to breathe afresh.

They are pulled out of day-to-day timetables, responsibilities, cares and conflicts. On the mountain, they can see things for what they really are.

Not that it is all heavenly and harmonious: there is no less rivalry and conflict or, for that matter, gossip up here.

At times the novel betrays an almost comic fantasy tone associated with fables, morality plays (Goethe described his "Faust" as a "very serious jest") and fairy tales (not to mention "The Master and Margarita").

Olympian Rivalries

The title of the novel derives from Nietzsche’s "The Birth of Tragedy":

"Now it is as if the Olympian magic mountain had opened before us and revealed its roots to us. The Greek knew and felt the terror and horror of existence. That he might endure this terror at all, he had to interpose between himself and life the radiant dream-birth of the Olympians."

For Nietzsche, the Olympian gods helped mankind battle "that overwhelming dismay in the face of the titanic powers of nature."

Because the gods lived the lives of mortals, their example gave the Greeks strength, resolve and moral guidance.

However, unlike Christianity, there were multiple gods, and thus scope for differences of perspective or emphasis, in particular, the difference that most interested Nietzsche, the difference between the Apollonian and the Dionysian (a preoccupation of Mann in both "Death in Venice" and "TMM").


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Dialectics, Dialogues and Diabolics

In both Nietzsche and Mann, there is a polarity, a dialectic, a double-sidedness.

The dialectic is ideological. However, Mann presents it to us in the form of a dialogue or duel between two characters. It is personalized, as it is with Dostoyevsky.

While the dialogue is often essayistic in total length, it is not just fodder for a dry "novel of ideas", it is a dramatic embodiment and reflection of a personal and philosophical tension between two vital people. It comes to us in short, sharp, punchy grabs. It’s like going 15 rounds with two intellectually-gifted prize fighters.

If you’re not interested in the rivalry of ideas, this novel might not be for you. If you are, it could be a wonderful reading and thinking experience.

Still, Mann’s refusal to always resolve the tensions between the ideas might not be to your liking.

Some see it as disingenuous, witness this assessment by one of my favourite critics, Alfred Kazin, who once met Mann in Hollywood:

"Mann, the creative peer and contemporary of great experimental novelists like Proust and Joyce, is easier to read but actually harder to grasp through the external conventionality of his form and the heavy load of Germanic philosophic apparatus.

"He is so continuously double-sided, so ‘safe� in manner and so subversive within, so much the pompous German pedant in his literary manner and in his substance so representative of his aesthetic, nihilist, decadent generation, that it is almost impossible to do justice to the range and elusiveness of his mind.

"Either one makes too much of only one side of him or one imitates his own tiresome Olympian irony, the suavely self-protective use to which he put his doubleness by effectively concealing his real opinions."


Kazin damns Mann with faint praise. In contrast, the Marxist Hungarian critic Georg Lukacs (who unknown to him was the model for the character, Leo Naphta) declared Mann the "last great bourgeois writer", writing:

"Thomas Mann is a realist whose respect, indeed reverence, for reality is of rare distinction."

Whether or not the subversiveness, the elusiveness, the concealment to which Kazin adverts is real, it might have contributed fuel to recent attempts to go beyond Mann’s writing and venture into his personal life, in particular for the purposes of reassessing his legacy on the basis of perceived homoeroticism.

This trend is prurient, but in an age of media voyeurism seems to be inevitable. Regrettably, it distracts attention from the writing and the subject matter, which can’t be any more fundamental to the concerns of any civilization, and was regarded as sufficiently meritorious to justify the award of the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Taking Stock of Time and Space

Hans Castorp is an inexperienced and inexpert engineer, a simpleton, a naïf, a neophyte.

When he arrives at the Berghof, he takes stock of both time and space. He takes his bearings, he is measured, he measures himself, so that he can determine exactly where he is and what he's about (as he will later use a thermometer to "measure" his temperature and his illness). However, gradually, he loses his sense of time and place, and as if he were on Olympus or in Heaven or Eternity, his experience becomes timeless, almost dreamlike.

Apart from the dialogues, nothing much happens to Castorp. He doesn’t cover a lot of space. The narrative doesn’t depend on the passage of time, so much as the transmission of ideas. Before we know it, Mann has quietly covered seven years in 700 pages.

In a way, Mann plucks Castorp out of his world, out of his time and makes him listen to pedagogues, perhaps because, like most of us, he is not yet able to think particularly deeply about these issues himself.

Not only is "TMM" a great work of literature, but it is about how a great work of literature works: it takes us on a journey from innocence and ignorance to experience and wisdom. It’s we who experience character development. If we are lucky, we can put our lessons into practice in our lives.

Settembrini versus Naphta

The principal dialogues are between Settembrini (an heroic individualist) and Naphta (a divine collectivist).

Settembrini is an eloquent Italian, "a dark man of graceful carriage, with curling black moustaches." He’s a humanist, an individualist, a rationalist who upholds the beauty and dignity of man:

"Our Western heritage is reason � reason, analysis, action, progress."

Leo Naphta is small, thin, clean-shaven, ugly, hook-nosed, bespectacled, well-dressed. He is a Jew by birth, but a Jesuit by inclination and training. Paradoxically, he is a collectivist who supports both the Catholic Church and Socialism:

"Like many gifted people of his race, Naphta was both natural aristocrat and natural revolutionary; a socialist, yet possessed by the dream of shining in the proudest, finest, most exclusive and conventional sphere of life.

"[In effect, he had made] a declaration of affection for the Roman Church, as a power at once spiritual and aristocratic (in other words anti-material), at once superior and inimical to worldly things."


Perhaps, what Naphta is seeking spiritually is both Heaven in Eternity and Heaven on Earth. Both require a respect for authority, the authority of God (and the Church) and the authority of the State, whether religious or secular.

Sometimes, to establish and protect the authority of a State, it is necessary to use force. In other words, sometimes, Naphta must advocate Revolution and Terror.

Life and Death

The contrast between the two worldviews is revealed in their perspectives on Death.

Settembrini sees Death as part and parcel of Life, as the flipside of Life. If it is differentiated from Life, it takes on a negative quality:

"Severed from life, it becomes a spectre, a distortion, and worse. For death, as an independent power, is a lustful power, whose vicious attraction is strong indeed; to feel drawn to it, to feel sympathy with it, is without any doubt at all the most ghastly aberration to which the spirit of man is prone."

Naphta sees the nobility of man solely in terms of the Spirit, not the organic or animal aspect of the human. Death and disease are in dialectical opposition to the life of the Spirit, yet they govern and influence Life at the level of the non-spiritual human, the animal, the organism that is capable of disease, of illness, of dissolution, of suffering:

"Disease was very human indeed. For to be man was to be ailing. Man was essentially ailing, his state of unhealthiness was what made him man. There were those who wanted to make him 'healthy,' to make him 'go back to nature,' when, the truth was, he never had been 'natural.'

"All the propaganda carried on to-day by the prophets of nature, the experiments in regeneration, the uncooked food, fresh-air cures, sun-bathing, and so on, the whole Rousseauian paraphernalia, had as its goal nothing but the dehumanization, the animalizing of man.

"They talked of 'humanity,' of nobility � but it was the spirit alone that distinguished man, as a creature largely divorced from nature, largely opposed to her in feeling, from all other forms of organic life.

"In man’s spirit, then, resided his true nobility and his merit—in his state of disease, as it were; in a word, the more ailing he was, by so much was he the more man."


Man is less than Spirit.

Point and Counter-Point

Castorp listens to all this and remarks:

"You say we did not come up here to get wiser, but healthier, and that is true. But all this confusion must be reconciled; and if you don’t think so, why then you are dividing the world up into two hostile camps, which, I may tell you, is a grievous error, most reprehensible."

Just as if he is listening to two Greek gods, he regards the two pedagogues as aristocratic. However, in the chapter entitled "Snow", he sees the light in a dream-like state on an Olympian mountain:

"Man is the lord of counterpositions, they can be only through him, and thus he is more aristocratic than they. More so than death, too aristocratic for death—that is the freedom of his mind. More aristocratic than life, too aristocratic for life, and that is the piety in his heart.

"There is both rhyme and reason in what I say, I have made a dream poem of humanity. I will cling to it. I will be good. I will let death have no mastery over my thoughts...Death is a great power...Reason stands simple before him, for reason is only virtue, while death is release, immensity, abandon, desire.

"Desire, says my dream. Lust, not love. Death and love—no, I cannot make a poem of them, they don’t go together. Love stands opposed to death. It is love, not reason, that is stronger than death.

"Only love, not reason, gives sweet thoughts. And from love and sweetness alone can form come: form and civilization, friendly, enlightened, beautiful human intercourse...For the sake of goodness and love, man shall let death have no sovereignty over his thoughts. - And with this - I awake."


The Awakening of Love

So, after point and counterpoint, after the working of the dialectic, finally we have an awakening of Eros.

"Adventures of the flesh and in the spirit...granted thee to know in the spirit what in the flesh thou scarcely couldst have done. Moments there were...when there came a dream of Love...may it be that Love one day shall mount?"

As in "Death in Venice", Castorp awakens to the light of Desire, Lust and Love. Only, while Aschenbach died in peacetime, Castorp survives in wartime.

Still, in neither case does Mann allow us to witness his protagonist mount his Love. Perhaps, after all, it's legitimate for Kazin and others to wonder why Mann denies his protagonists the fulfilment of Love?

This doesn't necessarily mean that we readers are also denied. We must find and consummate our own Love while we fend off Death.






VERSE:

Homo Humanus

Herr Settembrini,
Homo humanus,
Man of acumen,
Judgement and learning,

Carping pedagogue,
Chronic windbag and
Oppositionist,
Proudly discerning,

Wielding influence
On those gullible,
Confiding, childlike,
Still full of yearning

With his garrulous
Gift of florid gab,
Lively harangue and
Animus burning.


Naphta's Catholic Communism
[After and in the Words of Thomas Mann]


I believe not in original sin,
But in an ideal state
Of man as the child of God,
A paradise without government
And without force,
In which there is neither
Lordship nor service,
Neither law nor penalty,
Nor sin nor relation
After the flesh.
No distinction of classes,
No work, no property.
Nothing but equality,
Brotherhood and
Moral perfectitude.


Clavdia Chauchat, Hot Cat
[After and in the Words of Thomas Mann]


Whenever he thought of
Her, Clavdia Chauchat,
Kirghiz-eyed and tainted,
Grinning like a hot cat,
He was back in his boat,
Fantasising about
A time crepuscular,
The place a Holstein lake,
Scanning with dazzled eyes,
From the glassy daylight
Above the western shore
To the mist and moonbeams
That wrapped eastern heavens
Round likely lovers, in
Tight embrace, hoping for
Desire evermore.


Sleeping between TB Sheets

Once I received
A circular
Warning me that
I'd possibly
Caught some disease
Tubercular.


Mynheer Peeperkorn

Who is this man of Java,
Regal and plutocratic,
Who exclaims in foreign Dutch,
That’s both guttural and thick?

Mynheer Pieter Peeperkorn,
A coffee-king retired,
Larded with money and
Expensively attired.

Indisposed by an aching
Spleen that’s quite inflamed,
He saves a weighty summons for
His small Malayan valet.

His face is sparsely whiskered
And his skull’s white-haired,
Though he is otherwise
Colourless and blurred.

His personality matches
The pallid gaze of eyes,
Each small and pale, beneath
Stern deep-wrinkled brows.

He’s an alcoholic who
Loves to sniff one of those
Fine burgundies with his
Large and fleshy nose,

But better still to sip
The glass in his tight grip
Through his oddly thick
And much distorted lips.

Nevertheless, you know, this
Netherlander from abroad
Is somewhat lean and tall,
His chest robust and broad.

A wealthy business magnate
With a mighty money magnet,
Whose silent push and pull
Towards women gravitates.

Now, it’s Madame Chauchat,
The hero of our tale believes,
With whom the Dutchman’s
Quietly thick as thieves.

For he noticed in dismay
And much perplexity
That their arrival was
Concurrent, if not coincident.

Still, unperturbed, Peeperkorn
Sought a place inside an inn
To take unto himself
A glass of Holland’s gin.


"The Art of Seduction
(For Men and Women Alike)"


Literally translated from the French,
Hopefully preserving its elegance,
"The Art of Seduction", read by a Mensch,
Could teach him a few of the elements
Of sensual passion learned from a wench,
Meant, too, for women of preeminence
Who desire in beaus no arrogance,
Just a man of the world's beneficence,
An aura of debonair resonance
And a suitably furnished residence.


The Egyptian Princess

Only the English guests who chewed
On their cucumber sandwiches
Complained with ascetic attitude
That speaking foreign languages
Was just plebeian and too crude.

Like the extroverted paramour,
Princess of Lesbia and of Egypt,
Who’d exchanged three months� cure
For a carton of sphinx cigarettes
And a brand new coffee machine.

For she eschewed skirts and blouses
For severely short-cropped hair,
A sack coat and well-pressed trousers,
While her multi-beringed fingers
Were yellow-stained with nicotine.

Except her sickly Moorish eunuch,
She scorned the world of hetero men,
And their rampant egomania,
To pant hot and heavy in the bed of
Frau Landauer, a Jewess from Romania.


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Nazi Party Girl
[Apologies to Elvis Costello]


You’re nothing but a nasty party girl
Looking for new party members
That you can check up upon
And add to your collection.

You know the two little Hitlers?
The ones that you’ve been pursuing?
It's said, all's not gold that glitters,
Could fools gold be your undoing?

You think you’re not a guilty party, girl,
But it's obvious your mouth is made up
And some of us know your mind is undone,
The true colours of your flag have unfurled.

You're in a knitting circle, on your
Hobbyhorse, seeking Lebensraum.
If you don’t have the space for us,
Why would we have the time for you?

You’re nothing but a Nazi Party Girl.
You believe you’ve got it made, your pockets
Are full and you’re rolling deep in clover,
But what'll you do when the Party’s over?


Carnaval
[After and in the Words of Thomas Mann]


Out on the streets and
In the market place,
A mighty magic-mad,
Mountain carnival
With harlequins
And columbines,
Shaking rattles
And tin trumpets.
Comic opera and costumes,
Masquerades and bedlam.
Confetti on the ground
And maskers on foot.
Decorated sleighs
And skirmishes.
Champagne and burgundy,
Sweet and spiritous.


The Kiss
[After and in the Words of Thomas Mann]


He beheld the image
Of a life in flower,
Of flesh-borne loveliness,
As she opened her arms,
So unspeakably sweet.
First leaning from above,
She inclined unto him,
Then bent down overhead,
While he became conscious
Of organic fragrance
And the mild pulsation
Of the heart in her blouse.
Something warm and tender
Clasped him around the neck.
Melting with desire,
He sensed her upper arms,
He felt her fine-grained skin,
Heavenly cool to touch.
Then upon his shy lips,
The moist cling of her kiss.


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Reading Progress

April 1, 2011 – Shelved
October 24, 2012 – Shelved as: mann
August 6, 2013 – Started Reading
August 13, 2013 –
page 135
19.12% "While the novel discusses serious issues, there is a lightness of touch and discreet sense of humour that appeals to me. It is relatively easy to read, although I am taking lots of notes. It reminds me of the tone of The Master and Margarita."
August 15, 2013 –
page 160
22.66% "I love this talk of windbags and chatterboxes."
August 17, 2013 –
page 276
39.09% "...flesh...which became form, beauty, a lofty image, and yet all the time the essence of sensuality and desire."
August 18, 2013 –
page 344
48.73% "Sometimes the poetry just leaps off the page, even though it's prose."
August 18, 2013 –
page 364
51.56% "...a fungus in whose Latin name the epithet impudicus occurred; and which in its form was suggestive of love, in its odour of death. For it was a striking fact that the odour of the Impudicus was that of animal decay: it gave out that odour when the viscous, greenish, spore-bearing fluid dripped from its bell-shaped top. Yet, even today, among the ignorant, the mushroom passed for an aphrodisiac."
August 18, 2013 –
page 385
54.53% "Of old sat Freedom on the heights.

Alfred Lord Tennyson

"
August 19, 2013 –
page 440
62.32%
August 22, 2013 –
page 504
71.39% "H'm, Spain,. That country too lay remote from the humanistic mean, though on the side of austerity rather than of softness. There it was not lack but excess of form that obtained; death itself was in the guise of form, not dissolution - black, refined, sanguinary, Inquisition, stiff ruff, Loyola, the Escurial, etc."
August 22, 2013 –
page 542
76.77% "Onto the last chapter. What a delight it's been. Simultaneously profound and playful. A precursor to both Nabokov and Bulgakov."
August 23, 2013 –
page 582
82.44% "It just keeps getting better."
August 24, 2013 –
page 676
95.75% "In the home stretch. Writing day today."
August 25, 2013 – Shelved as: reviews
August 25, 2013 – Shelved as: reviews-5-stars
August 25, 2013 – Shelved as: read-2013
August 25, 2013 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Ian (last edited Aug 18, 2013 05:28PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye SOUNDTRACK:

Echo and the Bunnymen - "Heaven Up Here"



Echo and the Bunnymen - "The Disease"



Echo and the Bunnymen - "It Was a Pleasure"



Echo and the Bunnymen - "All I Want"




message 2: by Ian (last edited Aug 25, 2013 01:17PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye A NOTE ON THE VERSE:

The above verse is a spontaneous reaction to the vitality of Mann's prose and characters.

Where indicated, it uses some of the words of the English translation of his novel.


message 3: by Addy (new)

Addy Keep those Thomas Mann reviews coming, Ian!


message 4: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Adnan X. wrote: "Keep those Thomas Mann reviews coming, Ian!"

Thanks, Adnan. There are a lot of ideas and beauty to respond to.


message 5: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary So, how's it going? I saw Joyce Carol Oates in person,and she highly recommended this book....it's on my shelf....waiting.....


message 6: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I'm really enjoying it! There's lots to make you think, lots to make you smile, even some to make you a little flirtatious ;) Don't wait too long. A library shelf hath no fury like a novel scorned.


message 7: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary lol! Don't wait too long. A library shelf hath no fury like a novel scorned.

so....who said that? you? or is it a quote from a literary figure? It kinda makes me think of Dorothy Parker. I just gotta ask!


message 8: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary BTW, I am 215 pages from finishing WAR AND PEACE by Leo Tolstoy. Tag on 1,000 pages before that,and you know where I stand. Gonna be awhile before I get to this one, but you have certainly piqued my interest, big time!


message 9: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Gary wrote: "so....who said that? you?"

It would be false modesty to deny it ;) I'm afraid I'll probably re-read Dostoevsky before Tolstoy.


message 10: by Mir (new)

Mir I haven't read this book, but I loved your poems.
Very impressed that you had the self-control to resist rhyming trumpets with "strumpets" -- you're a better man than I am (not just literally).


message 11: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Miriam wrote: "I haven't read this book, but I loved your poems.
Very impressed that you had the self-control to resist rhyming trumpets with "strumpets" -- you're a better man than I am (not just literally)."


Thanks, Miriam. The thought did go through my mind, but I ended up avoiding rhyme altogether and just focussed on alliteration and what I hoped was euphony. I am really enjoying the novel and finding it much easier to read than I anticipated. You might enjoy it, but maybe my final review will give you a better idea.


message 12: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary 1115 in Tolstoy's novel. 100 pgs to go, dude!


message 13: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye I have under 300 to go on this one. It's all downhill skiing from here. Hopefully I don't exit on a bob sled.


message 14: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary lol. I think I am gonna really read a real light read after I finish this one!


message 15: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye You need a wedgie!


message 16: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary ha!


Petergiaquinta We need some verse on Mynheer Peeperkorn! (He doesn't scan as well as Settembrini, but I know you're up to it!)


message 18: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Petergiaquinta wrote: "We need some verse on Mynheer Peeperkorn! (He doesn't scan as well as Settembrini, but I know you're up to it!)"

I haven't got that far yet, but soon. I hope there won't be tears.


message 19: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Petergiaquinta wrote: "We need some verse on Mynheer Peeperkorn! (He doesn't scan as well as Settembrini, but I know you're up to it!)"

Peter, I've had a modest crack at Mynheer Peeperkorn. I hope you like it.


message 20: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary Ian wrote: "Gary wrote: "so....who said that? you?"

It would be false modesty to deny it ;) I'm afraid I'll probably re-read Dostoevsky before Tolstoy."


Ian, I finished WAR AND PEACE yesterday. It was and is awesome!!


message 21: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Gary wrote: "Ian, I finished WAR AND PEACE yesterday.."

Congratulations, Gary. I can't wait until I can say the same to you. Now for your review, and you can start The Magic Mountain on Monday! LOL!


message 22: by Gary (new) - added it

Gary I plan on doing a review next week. I'd say Tuesday. We are discussing W & P at a Russian restaurant on Saturday in St. Louis, MO. I am the President of PageTurners bookclub,and should be an interesting discussion.

Great idea to start Magic Mountain on Monday, however, I have to read a book I've borrowed from my son first. He is a Literature student, actually his minor,and he has to read it for a class in college, so, I must get it read and back to him. He has been after me for 10 years to read it.

Review soon,and thanks for the Congrats. I feel like this is a major event in my life. Took me most of July and August to get it read,and I don't regret it one bit. It's a book that will stick with me for a long time. Your turn!


message 23: by Petergiaquinta (last edited Aug 23, 2013 04:17AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Petergiaquinta Splendid, excellent!

I take it back; "Mynheer Pieter Peeperkorn" scans even better, so brusquely trochaic, so forcefully majestic!

Your verse pierces the heart, it sears--

(Maybe there weren't tears, but like a young Hans Castorp I am quite in awe of your powers of genius...)


Samadrita I love how Herr Settembrini occupies the top position in this. He truly has all the best lines, exactly like Aubrey said.
Will wait for your full review, Ian. I'll come back for it, once I finish with the book.


message 25: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Samadrita wrote: "I love how Herr Settembrini occupies the top position in this. He truly has all the best lines, exactly like Aubrey said.
Will wait for your full review, Ian. I'll come back for it, once I finish ..."


Thanks, Sam. Naphta would say Settembrini appeals to the instincts of secular heroism, which says something about us.


Ellen Clever and insightful! And I love the music list. You're the best!


message 27: by Ian (last edited Aug 24, 2013 02:32PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Susan Sontag ("Be serious, be passionate, wake up."):

Susan Sontag's non-fiction study, "Illness as Metaphor" was heavily influenced by her reading of "The Magic Mountain".

From Susan Sontag, Dairy September 1, 1948 (age 14):

"The Magic Mountain is a book for all of one’s life.

I know that! The Magic Mountain is the finest novel I’ve ever read. The sweetness of renewed and undiminishing acquaintance with this work, the peaceful and meditative pleasure I feel are unparalleled."



From LA Times Obituary:

At 14, Sontag read Thomas Mann's masterpiece, "The Magic Mountain." "I read it through almost at a run. After finishing the last page, I was so reluctant to be separated from the book that I started back at the beginning and, to hold myself to the pace the book merited, reread it aloud, a chapter each night."




From Susan Sontag, The Paris Review, 1995:

"The Magic Mountain, perhaps the thinkiest great novel of all."




See also "Pilgimage":

Her recollection of her visit to Thomas Mann in Southern California, aged 14




message 28: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Ellie wrote: "Clever and insightful! And I love the music list. You're the best!"

Thanks, Ellie. There's more to come, perhaps even today.


Ellen :)


message 30: by Ema (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ema Impressive review and lyrics - well, the parts that I've read, because I'll come back here after I finish the novel. I haven't made acquaintance with Naphta yet, nor with Frau Landauer, a Jewess from Romania (being such an insignificant country, I prick my ears whenever Romania is mentioned in literature).
Now I feel sorry for not being familiar with the Socratic Dialogues, as I might understand this novel better...


message 31: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Ema wrote: "Impressive review and lyrics - well, the parts that I've read, because I'll come back here after I finish the novel. I haven't made acquaintance with Naphta yet, nor with Frau Landauer..."

Thanks, Ema. There are some lovely details in the novel that could be easily overlooked, including the Egyptian Princess and Frau Landauer.

Here are some wiki links about Socratic Dialogue and the Socratic Method:





They will help to understand the methodology.


message 32: by Ema (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ema Oh, thank you Ian, I'll check them out! It's still better than not knowing a thing.


message 33: by Garima (new)

Garima Amazing review, Ian. I'll be able to appreciate it a lot more when I'll read TMM. Your analysis are always so well formed and bring into light a proper perspective to approach a book title. Well Done!


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Mala Without reading this book the 'Like' is already being given cause from the mere looks of it,I know it's fantastic!
I'll read it first thing after finishing the book.


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Hansjakob If only most "reviewers" would put a fraction of your insightfulness and communicative skills into their assessments of literary works. As an avid reader of Thomas Mann (I also love the writings of his brother Heinrich), I very much enjoyed your extensive engagement with the novel here.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Hansjakob wrote: "If only most "reviewers" would put a fraction of your insightfulness and communicative skills into their assessments of literary works. As an avid reader of Thomas Mann (I also love the writings of his brother Heinrich), I very much enjoyed your extensive engagement with the novel here."

Hansjacob, it's an honour to receive a message like yours. Thank you so much. I haven't read any Heinrich, but I have read one Klaus and am a fan of the film made of it ("Mephisto" - I see Istvan Szabo has a new film of "The Door").


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Emilian wrote: "Wonderful Review! Thank you!"

Thanks, Emilian. You could spend a life inside the world of this novel. I didn't have time to write anything about music, so your review will have to suffice for the moment.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Garima wrote: "Amazing review, Ian. I'll be able to appreciate it a lot more when I'll read TMM. Your analysis are always so well formed and bring into light a proper perspective to approach a book title. Well Done!"

Thanks, Garima. There is so much more to be written about this novel, which is part of the reason why I look forward to your take on it.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Mala wrote: "Without reading this book the 'Like' is already being given cause from the mere looks of it,I know it's fantastic!
I'll read it first thing after finishing the book."


Thanks, Mala. I dedicate this review to you. It would have been more complete (I mean, how could I not even write about the Dionysian?), but I decided to keep the verse in the review itself and ran out of time and space (how ironic is that?). I hope you enjoy the novel and all its precious allure as much as I did. And I look forward to your review.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye In my review, I quote Alfred Kazin from a review of Erich Heller's 1959 work, "Thomas Mann: The Ironic German".

In a London Review of Books review of the Cambridge Companion and the Kurzke bio, Michael Wood quotes a comment similar to Kazin's which Mann apparently mentioned in a letter in 1949:

‘He has enormously increased the difficulties of being a novelist.�

"Perhaps only a writer of very High Modernist tendencies would take this remark as a compliment, but Thomas Mann certainly did, and it wasn’t even addressed to him. He found it in Harry Levin’s little book on Joyce, which he read in 1944. He was also much drawn to another sentence in the same work: ‘The best writing of our contemporaries is not an act of creation, but an act of evocation, peculiarly saturated with reminiscences.�

"Mann had assumed, he said, that, compared with Joyce’s experiments, his own writing could only look like loose dedication to tradition, but he was now encouraged to see resemblances rather than differences.

"If Joyce’s experimentalism necessarily engaged tradition, and Mann’s traditionalism was never untouched by parody, the writers� projects could well meet.

"Around this time Mann attended a public reading given by his friend Bruno Frank. He liked the writing and the performance but was struck by the fact that Frank used seriously the ‘humanistic� narrative style that he himself could use only ironically.

"‘Stylistically,� he wrote in his diary, ‘I now really know only parody. In this close to Joyce.�

Not that anyone much apart from Mann himself saw this at the time, or even later.

"He said in a letter that ‘someone here recently wrote� of him that ‘under the cover of a conventional use of language, he has been perhaps as adventurous an innovator as Joyce,� but chances are that the someone was Mann himself, adapting his own reading of Levin. ‘Here� was America, and the time was a little later: 1948."





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Ian "Marvin" Graye What serendipity. Today, I read some updates of Geoff's reading of James Joyce's "Finnegan's Wake", one of which referred to a diagram of the structure of the novel prepared by the Hungarian painter and photographer Laszlo Moholy-Nagy (I'm assuming this is legit).

In the article from which the image was sourced was a quote of Harry Levin's essay on Joyce, which happened to be about "Finnegan's Wake".

This is the quote:

"Among the acknowledged masters of English—and there can be no further delay in acknowledging that Joyce is among the greatest—there is no one with so much to express and so little to say.

"Whatever is capable of being sounded or enunciated will find its echo in Joyce’s writing; he alludes glibly and impartially to such concerns as left-wing literature (116), Whitman and democracy (263), the ‘braintrust� (529), ‘Nazi� (375), ‘Gestapo� (332), ‘Soviet� (414), and the sickle and the hammer (341).

"The sounds are heard, the names are called, the phrases are invoked; but the rest is silence.

"The detachment which can look upon the conflicts of civilization as so many competing vocables is wonderful and terrifying.

"Sooner or later, however, it gives a prejudiced reader the uncanny sensation of trying to carry on a conversation with an omniscient parrot."


Harry Levin, “On First Looking into Finnegans Wake� (1939)

I haven't been able to locate a copy of the original essay yet. But I'm fascinated by the language of invocation and evocation.

I will persevere. If anybody else is interested and can help, please post here.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I have a copy of Harry Levin's "Memories of the Moderns", which includes a review of a joint bio of Heinrich and Thomas Mann by Nigel Hamilton.

Levin wasn't that impressed by Hamilton's assessment of "The Magic Mountain":

"Mr. Hamilton virtually disqualifies himself as a serious critic when he describes that brooding masterwork as the European parallel to Scott Fitzgerald's winsome, supple portrait of the Jazz Age."


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Mala Ian wrote:"Thanks, Mala. I dedicate this review to you."

Ian that's so generous of you!
Started MM last night,only two chapters in & I can say that it'll perhaps go into my all-time favourite shelf,so I thank you for drawing me to it.
Everyone shd pick up this book,pronto.


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Gary I saw Joyce Carol Oates in person a few years ago. She highly recommended this book as a great choice. I bought a copy,and so far, it's not been read, but it will be. I mean, give me a break. I just finished WAR AND PEACE at 1,215 pages. Well worth it.....but I am experiencing reading backlash. I've not read a word in 2 days. That is very unusual for me. LOL. Check out my review on W & P.


message 45: by Steve (new)

Steve I've been forced to spend too much time away from GR lately, but see you've certainly kept pace, Ian. This is huge -- full of your customary insight, cleverness and fun. I remember almost nothing of Death in Venice (a college semester abroad assignment), but you've made me interested again in Mann.


message 46: by Ian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ian "Marvin" Graye Thanks, Steve, I do it all for you! You have been missed, and not just as an audience! Haha.


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Steve Ian wrote: "Thanks, Steve, I do it all for you!"

I've had this feeling for a while that much of what's created on ŷ is for my personal edification and pleasure. :D


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Steve wrote: "I've had this feeling for a while that much of what's created on ŷ is for my personal edification and pleasure. :D"

If only there were 20 million of you, we could all quit our day jobs!


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T.D. Whittle This one interests me more than DIV, even though it is a sequel. I've been intending to read it for years. Oh, that awkward moment at a party when you stumble into a reply about Magic Mountain, alluding to the theme park instead of the Mann novel.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye The one benefits from a reading of the other. We both need to go to more parties where we are understood! But that's easily solved.


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