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Barrayar by Lois McMaster Bujold
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did not like it
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Let's file this Hugo Award in the "Regrettable" category, along with those granted to The Wanderer by Fritz Leiber and Redshirts by His Grand Snarkiness John Scalzi. In this book, newly-pregnant Cordelia Naismith of the enlightened, progressive, touchy-feely Beta Colony settles in with her new husband and prior captor (insert eye-rolling emoji here) Aral Vorkosigan on the barbaric, warmongering world of Barrayar where, tragically, no one talks about their feelings enough; it's not too hard to see the Venus/Mars female/male analogy which is thickly applied. Cordelia immediately sets about endearing herself to the locals and challenging gender stereotypes by:
a) shopping
b) obsessing over wardrobe details
c) making prego talk with other expectant mommies
d) dispensing relationship advice to everyone within earshot
e) complaining constantly
f) standing around while her husband does stuff
Cordelia is a woman of complicated feelings and impulses, and she apparently spends every waking moment in painstaking examination of same. Fortunately, she shares them all with us, in excruciating detail, for page after page after page. You'll be happy to know that everyone else around Cordelia is a complete dolt, dunce, or idiot (which gives her lots of opportunities to enlighten them) or else they are scheming would-be usurpers to the recently-vacated throne (we figure out who these are early on because they are the people Cordelia doesn't like). Don't worry about mixing up all the names, each of which starts with "Vor," because they aren't much different from each other anyway. If there's anything you need to know, you can be sure that Cordelia will explain it to you at great length and with an air of bemused superiority. It should be noted that Barrayar comprises the 2nd half of the omnibus collection Cordelia's Honor, which should really be called Cordelia's Every Last Thought since that's what you'll be reading.
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Reading Progress

April 22, 2016 – Shelved as: wish-list
April 22, 2016 – Shelved
June 13, 2016 – Shelved as: to-read
April 2, 2020 – Started Reading
April 5, 2020 –
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April 12, 2020 –
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April 12, 2020 –
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April 19, 2020 –
page 217
64.58%
April 26, 2020 –
page 310
92.26%
April 26, 2020 – Finished Reading
November 17, 2023 – Shelved as: nebula-hugo

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message 1: by Peter (last edited Apr 27, 2020 07:13PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Peter Tillman Well, I suppose you know you're in a distinct minority on this one. Not that that matters.

Anyway, I had fun with it. With an avg rating here of 4.3, most other readers did, too.


message 2: by RJ - Slayer of Trolls (last edited Apr 28, 2020 01:38PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

RJ - Slayer of Trolls Peter wrote: "Well, I suppose you know you're in a distinct minority on this one. Not that that matters.

Anyway, I had fun with it. With an avg rating here of 4.3, most other readers did, too."


I think it's fascinating that you think everyone's opinions should be the same. You should definitely skip my review of Leviathan Wakes.


Andreas Love your review and your list of Hugo abominations. Never trust the majority to give the best one their vote.
Concerning this average rating: I‘ve got the impression that many reviewers just push out 4 or 5 stars to everything they liked. Maybe it’s culture (if someone‘s T-shirt is already awesome, you have nearly no climactic left for a newborn), indifference, or maybe the fear to not follow the popular opinion. I often found that well articulated reviews with 2 stars or less are not liked well.


message 4: by RJ - Slayer of Trolls (last edited Apr 28, 2020 01:38PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

RJ - Slayer of Trolls Andreas wrote: "Love your review and your list of Hugo abominations. Never trust the majority to give the best one their vote.
Concerning this average rating: I‘ve got the impression that many reviewers just push..."


Thanks Andreas. My baseline review is 3 stars and the rating goes up or down as the book impresses me one way or the other. This should result in a bell curve of overall ratings, but of course it tends to skew to the positive side because I put forth some effort to read books that I think I will enjoy.

I've never understood the idea of rating everything five stars, but I've noticed that is what's expected if you take an Uber ride somewhere. In those rating systems a 5 star review is the baseline and stars are only deducted for "problems" although sometimes not even then. I don't like that rating system for myself but, hey, to each their own, right?

And yeah, this book sucked, no two ways about it. Poor writing, boring plot (although the last third picked up the action a little), trite dialogue - especially the romantic cooing between Cordelia and Aral which made me want to vomit. I'm going to read another in the series to see how it goes with a different main character, especially because many fans of the series admit that these books aren't the best entry point for the series.


Andreas Your review sounds more like a "didn't like" (1 star) rather than a "was ok" (2 stars) to me, though.
There are so many great books out there that I wouldn't go for second chances. A life's reading time is limited after all :)


RJ - Slayer of Trolls Andreas wrote: "Your review sounds more like a "didn't like" (1 star) rather than a "was ok" (2 stars) to me, though.
There are so many great books out there that I wouldn't go for second chances. A life's readin..."


You're right. I've been considering dropping the rating. There were some readable parts but overall it was pretty exasperating.


David Holmes While it pains me to say it, I have to warn you that your specific complaints make me thing you're never likely to be a Bujold fan. Characters' inner thoughts presented as monologue, and lots of chatter, are pretty core to her writing style. Her books are really about the characters and character interactions and not the action, so if you don't like getting cozy with characters like Cordelia and their thoughts then you're probably not going to like any of her books all that much.

Go ahead and give the first Miles omnibus a try if you like (it has a bit more action and two Hugo-winning stories in it), but if you don't like the series by The Vor Game then I really couldn't recommend any of her other books either.


RJ - Slayer of Trolls David wrote: "While it pains me to say it, I have to warn you that your specific complaints make me thing you're never likely to be a Bujold fan. Characters' inner thoughts presented as monologue, and lots of ch..."

Thanks David, I appreciate the honesty. I have already started thinking the same thing, and it kind of depresses me because a lot of people have gotten a lot of enjoyment from the series, but maybe it's just not going to be the right thing for me. I have heard good things about Warrior's Apprentice and Vor Game so I think I'll try the Young Miles omnibus that has both of those books. If I like it I'll move forward, and if not I'll pull the rip cord. I may also try LMB's fantasy books, like the first couple of the Chalion series. I know Shards was LMB's first book, and part of Barrayar was written at the same time so I'm willing to believe that it may not represent the quality of the rest of her series, and who knows, maybe I'll find a character I like better than Cordelia.


message 9: by Allison (new)

Allison Hurd Yeah, so far the Penric series is the only one working for me. I'm gonna try Warrior's Apprentice, too, at some point just to have said I tried but I'm not holding much hope.

This review, however, made me laugh.


message 10: by Becky (new)

Becky This review is awesome, and really justifies my decision to leave the rest of Bujold's work alone. I've read The Warrior's Apprentice and found it extremely boring, despite having a lot of potential. Also read The Mountains of Mourning - a short story that follows Warrior's Apprentice - and found it a bit better, but... overall, I just don't see the draw of these books. I was unimpressed.

If a series is such that you have to read SIX books to gauge whether the series is actually worth your time... then that personally makes it easy for me, and I'll just jump to "Nope."


Andreas While I feel nearly the same as you concerning this novel, I think completely different about Chalion and Penric. Both series were 4-5 stars for me.
Maybe you want to give them a try? They are fantasy, though.


RJ - Slayer of Trolls Allison wrote: "Yeah, so far the Penric series is the only one working for me. I'm gonna try Warrior's Apprentice, too, at some point just to have said I tried but I'm not holding much hope.

This review, however,..."


Thanks Allison. I'm glad you got a kick out of it.


RJ - Slayer of Trolls Becky wrote: "This review is awesome, and really justifies my decision to leave the rest of Bujold's work alone. I've read The Warrior's Apprentice and found it extremely boring, despite having a lot of potentia..."

Thanks Becky, I'm glad you enjoyed it. And you're not making me any more excited to read the rest of the series!


RJ - Slayer of Trolls Andreas wrote: "While I feel nearly the same as you concerning this novel, I think completely different about Chalion and Penric. Both series were 4-5 stars for me.
Maybe you want to give them a try? They are fan..."


I'll probably try at least the first Chalion novel eventually.


message 15: by Becky (new)

Becky RJ from the LBC wrote: "And you're not making me any more excited to read the rest of the series!"

My work here is done! :P


message 16: by Lucy (new) - rated it 1 star

Lucy Fwiw i liked the two other books i read in this series but I've tried multiple times to read this book and haven't been able to get into it (about to give it a 1star review). So it is possible you might enjoy some of the other ones.


RJ - Slayer of Trolls Lucy wrote: "Fwiw i liked the two other books i read in this series but I've tried multiple times to read this book and haven't been able to get into it (about to give it a 1star review). So it is possible you ..."

Thanks Lucy, I think I'll try The Warrior's Apprentice and The Vor Game (which I think is about a game show in which you have to try to tell the various "Vor" characters apart) and if I don't like them I'll just bail on the series. Both of those books are conveniently collected in the omnibus Young Miles along with a short story.


˥*ѲԲԲ*˥~ What book did you read? Her “shopping� indeed defied Barrayarian gender stereotypes in the end 😂


RJ - Slayer of Trolls �*ѲԲԲ*˥~ wrote: "What book did you read? Her “shopping� indeed defied Barrayarian gender stereotypes in the end 😂"

Well, indeed then.


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