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Night and Day by Virginia Woolf
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Her words... were set down as gently and cautiously and exactly as the feet of a Persian cat stepping among china ornaments.
Woolf, writing about Katherine, could just as easily have been describing her own novel.

Choices - What does it mean to be a woman today?

Are love and marriage inextricably linked - and what sort of love: platonic, passionate, or both? Can men and women be intimate friends without being sexually intimate, or sexually intimate with someone they are not married to? ( came to mind.)

To be engaged to marry some one with whom you are not in love is an inevitable step in a world where the existence of passion is only a traveller’s story brought from the heart of deep forests and told so rarely that wise people doubt whether the story can be true.

Where do career ambitions fit? Does wedlock confine us to conventionality and stymie opportunities outside the home? Must wives submit to their husbands (as exhorted in Ephesians 5:2)? What about less orthodox relationships? How independent can a single woman be?



This was written, and mostly set, in London, almost exactly a century ago, at a time of great social upheaval and uncertainty. The questions the characters agonise over are still valid, though the answers slightly different today.

Although war isn’t even hinted it, this was written during WW1 and finished days after the Armistice in November 1918. Queen Victoria had died less than twenty years earlier, (some) women aged 30 and over had been given the vote in February 1918, and the importance of religion was something that could be questioned, gently.

In this climate of shifting social mores, five single people in their late twenties and early thirties, in overlapping (but not equal) social circles, consider their futures. All are crippled by indecision. Uncertainty about how, when, why, who, and whether to marry, how they feel about the changing roles of men and women, issues of independence versus family obligations (as provider, or as wife and possible mother), the appeal of or need to work, and literature versus science (specifically, the secret vice of “unwomanly� maths and astronomy).

No work can equal in importance, or be so exciting as, the work of making other people do what you want them to do.
Then again, that could include the “work� of raising a child.

Night and Day, Inner and Outer

A feeling of contempt and liking combine very naturally in the mind of one to whom another has just spoken unpremeditatedly, revealing rather more of his private feelings than he intended to reveal.

The title has no direct bearing on the story, but is indicative of the contrasts within: platonic versus passionate love, career and independence versus commitment and family, town versus country, moneyed versus not, and past versus future.

There is a clear narrative, but much is revealed through inner thoughts (though Mrs Hilberry has a natural antipathy to introspection and Ralph Denham has no use for dreams). These insights are witty, sometimes caustic, and invariably enlightening - though more so to the reader than the person concerned. Outer actions are not necessarily clearly correlated with inner ideals.

Proxies for Passion

Although they are broad-minded for the period (a single woman visiting a man in his rooms at night arouses no angst, and cohabitation and three-way relationships are mooted), statues, gloves, handbag contents, flowers, and flames are also used as proxies for real feelings. Outer manifestations are sometimes veiled. Some passages were strongly reminiscent of DH Lawrence:

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Biography as Metaphor

While the younger generation try to make sense of the future, Mrs Hilberry tries to make sense of the past by writing a biography of her father, a famous poet. She is assisted by her daughter, Katherine, who sees the book as repayment to the world for their privileged position. But it means that, like Titus Groan, who was “suckled on shadows�, much of Katherine’s time is “spent in imagination with the dead�. But then again, perhaps the act of reading this is time spent in imagination with the dead?

It is a Sisyphean and disorganised project, with difficult and unresolved decisions about what to include and what to omit, not just in terms of length and relevance, but also of privacy and propriety.

The rambling draft includes:
Twenty pages upon her grandfather’s taste in hats, an essay upon contemporary china, a long account of a summer day’s expedition into the country, when they had missed their train, together with fragmentary visions of all sorts of famous men and women, which seemed to be partly imaginary and partly authentic.

Indecision - Theirs and Mine

This is carefully, insightfully, and beautifully written (see quotes), but I became increasingly exasperated at the endless overwrought indecision, and even the frequency of popping in for tea began to feel clichéd.

People fall in and out of love ludicrously quickly, and yet it’s painfully strung out too. They ponder the meaning and necessity of love, and whether their (current) love object is same as their imagined, idealised version of them: passion is greater in absence than reality. Some wonder about mere happiness or whether to settle for being less unhappy. They also flip-flop decisions about where to live, what job to do, and whether to go for tea.

Woolf turned me into Lady Bracknell, as I recalled her comment in The Importance of Being Earnest (see my review here) about Bunbury needing to make up his mind whether he was going to live or to die: “This shilly-shallying with the question is absurd.�

Woolf created indecision in me: I loved the first third of this book: exquisite social comedy (comedy is too strong, but I’m not sure of a better word). I enjoyed the second third. But the final third was hugely disappointing: often farcical, with people behind curtains and furniture accidentally hearing crucial information. And then it redeemed itself in the final two or three pages. Hurrah for ambiguity.

QUOTES

Reading this was often like walking alongside a bubbling brook on a sunny day: sparking prose catching my eye at every turn. The descriptions of place (London, and people’s rooms) are especially immersive.

General Quotes

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Edwardian London - Quotes



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People Revealed by their Rooms - Quotes

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Key Characters

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Image Sources
� Woman considering options:
� London in the style of (Victorian) artist Atkinson Grimshaw, by William Dudley:


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As Apatt suggests in a comment below, this is a feminist novel, but it's not a strident or preachy one. It predates common use of the term, but all the main characters are reassessing the evolving roles of women and men.

There is no simple answer to the dilemma of marriage and domesticity versus independence, but if Woolf is to be believed, literature (especially Shakespeare) and tea will fix most things.
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Reading Progress

September 5, 2016 – Shelved
September 5, 2016 – Shelved as: to-read
April 9, 2017 – Started Reading
April 10, 2017 –
page 36
7.26% "Reading this is like walking alongside a bubbling brook on a sunny day: sparking prose catching my eye at every turn. Other phrases are just food for thought:
'There are some books that live<\i>... They are young with us, and they grow old with us.' p13"
April 15, 2017 –
page 85
17.14% "I was won over to William Rodney:
'It pleased Rodney thus to give away whatever his friends genuinely admired. His library was constantly being diminished.' p60
I want a friend like that!"
April 18, 2017 –
page 142
28.63% "A century ago, Woolf use 'chill' in what I thought a newish sense:
'He spoke without much vehemence of agreement or disagreement. He seemed chilled.' p134"
April 21, 2017 –
page 208
41.94% "'Her words... were set down as gently and cautiously and exactly as the feet of a Persian cat stepping among china ornaments.' p145
Woolf writing about Katherine, but it could just as easily be about her own writing."
April 23, 2017 –
page 279
56.25% "It is carefully, insightfully, and beautifully written, and yet I'm a little exasperated at the endless overwrought indecision and changed decisions about who loves and doesn't love whom. I'm reminded of Lady Bracknell's comment in The Importance of Being Earnest: “I think it is high time that Mr. Bunbury made up his mind whether he was going to live or to die. This shilly-shallying with the question is absurd.�"
April 27, 2017 –
page 372
75.0% "Chapter XXIX descended into farce."
April 28, 2017 –
page 496
100.0% "I loved the first third. I enjoyed the second third. But the final third was hugely disappointing - except for the final two or three pages."
May 13, 2017 – Shelved as: historical-fict-20th-cent
May 13, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Apatt (new)

Apatt Fab review!
Is this "feminist fiction"? The fem word doesn't make an appearance in your review. I suppose a novel about women needn't be feminist, it certainly doesn't seem very Handmaidy.

Why would a Persian cat step among china ornaments "gently and cautiously and exactly"? They don't really give a wotsit.

Walking alongside a bubbling brook sounds very pleasant...


Lisa Fantastic review, Cecily! It is on my pile already, and your reflections on it make it even more attractive!


Violet wells Difficult to love this book no matter how much passion one feels for Virginia. There's so much huff and puff, so little of her later fluidity. I've been thinking of giving it another go but I think you've expressed admirably why disappointment is the likely outcome.


message 4: by Cecily (last edited May 14, 2017 04:10AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Apatt wrote: "Fab review! Is this "feminist fiction"? ... it certainly doesn't seem very Handmaidy."

Yes, I suppose it is, but in a gentle way. One woman is passionately campaigning for women's rights, and two are very torn between an independent career and settling down to married life. It's certainly not "Handmaidy". I've updated my review. Thanks.

Apatt wrote: "Why would a Persian cat step among china ornaments "gently and cautiously and exactly"?..."

Persians do everything delicately, don't they?

Apatt wrote: "Walking alongside a bubbling brook sounds very pleasant..."

If you've really never done that, I highly recommend it. If it's in or near woodland, even better.


Cecily Lisa wrote: "Fantastic review, Cecily! It is on my pile already, and your reflections on it make it even more attractive!"

Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad my slightly luke-warm reaction hasn't dampened your enthusiasm.


Cecily Violet wrote: "Difficult to love this book no matter how much passion one feels for Virginia. There's so much huff and puff, so little of her later fluidity."

I've yet to feel passion for Virginia. I quite enjoyed Orlando, but too long ago to remember the details. I attempted To The Lighthouse, but didn't really get it back then. This had the advantage of a more straightforward narrative structure. Maybe now I'm ready to return to her later, more fluid and semi-abstract works.

Violet wrote: "I've been thinking of giving it another go but I think you've expressed admirably why disappointment is the likely outcome."

If you've read it before, and only gave it 3*, I expect there are other things on your TBR more deserving of your time.


Dolors I like the arch of your doubts, Cecily, for I believe Woolf was exploring hers when she set down to write this novel. After I finished this one, I set to reading her writer's diary and I found many interesting remarks about the interaction between genders, social classes and settings that Woolf was trying to take one step beyond. She might have not managed that in this early novel, but she certainly did in Jacob's Room.
Ambiguity and uncertainty, aren't they annoying...but how much of them we have to bear in daily life, right?
A thoughtful, clear-sighted review as ever, Cecily!


message 8: by Caroline (new)

Caroline Although I don't read novels nowadays, I occasionally read reviews which tempt me. Whilst your review is wonderful, I'm afraid it does the opposite.... Like you, I love Woolf's powers of description, but your description of the book's serpentine mullings about love, work and women's role in society leave me distinctly untempted.


message 9: by Kevin (last edited May 14, 2017 05:02AM) (new)

Kevin Ansbro I've not read this, Cecily, but I applaud your diligence in piecing together such a comprehensive, but extremely enjoyable, review.
I loved some of the highlighted verbosity, though it seems rather archaic now.
And I enjoyed the thinly-veiled sexual symbolism of orchids, striped hoods and fleshy throats; utter filth! ; )
Superb review, Cecily.


Cecily Dolors wrote: "I like the arch of your doubts, Cecily, for I believe Woolf was exploring hers when she set down to write this novel. After I finished this one, I set to reading her writer's diary..."

Thank you for pointing me to it. I enjoyed my journey, even though I didn't end up loving the book as a whole. I don't think I'll read her diaries, but I will return to Woolf one day, with renewed confidence.

Dolors wrote: "Ambiguity and uncertainty, aren't they annoying...but how much of them we have to bear in daily life, right?
A thoughtful, clear-sighted review as ever, Cecily!"


Not annoying to me: I like ambiguity and uncertainty in literature (but not, as you say, not so much in real life).
Thank you, Dolors.


Cecily Caroline wrote: "Although I don't read novels nowadays, I occasionally read reviews which tempt me. Whilst your review is wonderful..."

I'm the opposite: I read mostly novels, but read reviews of non-fiction that tempt me (many of them being yours). The perfect pairing. Thanks, Caroline.


Cecily Kevin wrote: "I've not read this, Cecily, but I applaud your diligence in piecing together such a comprehensive, but extremely enjoyable, review."

Thank you, Kevin. Coming from a "proper" author, that's a valuable compliment.

Kevin wrote: "And I enjoyed the thinly-veiled sexual symbolism of orchids, striped hoods and fleshy throats; utter filth! ; )"

Yes, Woolf can be a deliciously "improper" author.
;)


Petra is wondering when this dawn will beome day When I read your excellent review (much better than the book, by a long way) yesterday I also read the comments and looked on your booklist for the other two VW books you read and wondered why you would go for another one of hers? (Despite Dolors review. I love Dolors' reviews).

One of the differences between you and me is that a good review will sometimes influence what you read, whereas it never does with me. I don't mind what people review, it isn't the books that interest me, it's the reviews and that's how I choose my friends.

Thank you for saying nice things about my 1 star review of this book :-) VW might not, but Cole Porter definitely is inspirational to me.


Chrissie Oh my, you wrote a thesis! ;0)


Cecily Petra Eggs wrote: "When I read your excellent review (much better than the book, by a long way) yesterday I also read the comments and looked on your booklist for the other two VW books you read and wondered why you would go for another ..."

The other two VWs I read were a long time ago. After nine years on GR, I'm a different reader. I felt I would appreciate her more, and wanted to try.

Petra Eggs wrote: "One of the differences between you and me is that a good review will sometimes influence what you read, whereas it never does with me. I don't mind what people review, it isn't the books that interest me, it's the reviews and that's how I choose my friends...."

A difference - and a similarity. There are many books I would not have heard of without GR friends, much less read. They include some of my best-loved books, and even the duds were interesting. But yes, my friendships here are based almost entirely on those whose reviews and comments interest me.


Cecily Chrissie wrote: "Oh my, you wrote a thesis! ;0)"

LOL. Yes, sorry about that. I keep trying to be succinct, but you'd never know it by the results. And once the words are typed, I find it hard to cut, so I publish and be damned.


Chrissie Oh, I understand. ;0)


message 18: by Greg (new)

Greg Cecily, nice review. I must read more Woolf. (But right now I am reading Peake's "Titus Groan", thanks so much for the introduction to Peake!


Cecily Greg wrote: "Cecily, nice review. I must read more Woolf. (But right now I am reading Peake's "Titus Groan", thanks so much for the introduction to Peake!"

Thanks, Greg. I'm no expert on Woolf (and not even as much of a fan as I'd like), so can't advise, but Peake is a different matter. I hope Titus is living up to my hype.


message 20: by Helle (last edited May 15, 2017 12:35PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Helle Fantastic, thorough review, Cecily, which one expects from you by now, and I think you're being very fair to this book of which I (and Dolors) am apparently the only fan(s)! I agree (from reading the comments) that one's reading changes, especially being inundated with so many incisive opinions and comments here on GR (one of the reasons I need to step away from it now and then), and I think also that that is what enables the best readers to precisely see (and appreciate) the ambiguity in a lot of books. Rarely are they all bad, or only brilliant, but I find it quite wonderful to be able to see a bit of both. So a resounding yes to your: Hurrah for ambiguity!


Cecily Helle wrote: "Fantastic, thorough review, Cecily, which one expects from you by now, and I think you're being very fair to this book of which I (and Dolors) am apparently the only fan(s)! I agree (from reading t..."

Gosh, you're very generous. Thank you so much, Helle. I think fairness matters, and it can be tricky, whether one loves, loathes or sits on the fence, so I'm glad to have achieved that. And yes, GR interactions have certainly changed and enriched my reading.


message 22: by Greg (new)

Greg Cecily, finished Titus Groan last night. Read it over the weekend and could hardly put it down. Working on review. I saw this more as a Dickens book with odd characters and I can't much see a comparison between this trilogy and "Lord of the Rings", which was true fantasy. And there seems to be a lot of comparisons floating around.


Cecily Greg wrote: "Cecily, finished Titus Groan last night.... saw this more as a Dickens book with odd characters and I can't much see a comparison between this trilogy and "Lord of the Rings", which was true fantasy...."

Fantastic - but no, not fantasy, and nothing like LotR. Yes, far more Dickensian. You'll find it even more so in the subsequent volumes, imo.


message 24: by Fionnuala (new) - added it

Fionnuala Helle wrote: "Fantastic, thorough review, Cecily, which one expects from you by now, and I think you're being very fair to this book of which I (and Dolors) am apparently the only fan(s)..."

Not quite, Helle! Count me in too!

Very thorough review indeed, Cecily. I love your Proxies for Passion analysis - very astute.
And if you were irritated by the amount of tea drinking in this book, just make sure not to read The Years!


Cecily Fionnuala wrote: "Very thorough review indeed, Cecily. I love your Proxies for Passion analysis - very astute.
And if you were irritated by the amount of tea drinking in this book, just make sure not to read The Years!"


Thanks, Fionnuala. I liked the proxies because they illustrate how the book was written at a time of social flux: open one minute, and veiled another.

I'm pleased I enjoyed (mostly) a full-length Woolf, even if it's not typical. It gives me confidence to return, excessive tea parties notwithstanding.


message 26: by Fiona (new)

Fiona This is an excellent review, Cecily. Woolf isn't easy to read or to review.


Cecily Fiona wrote: "This is an excellent review, Cecily. Woolf isn't easy to read or to review."

Thank you, Fiona. This isn't short (many reviewers think it too long), but it's not a difficult read. Although we're privy to detailed inner thoughts and dreams of the main characters, there's no rambling stream-of-consciousness, and there's a clear and linear plot.


message 28: by Agnieszka (new) - added it

Agnieszka Thanks for your thorough, well-argued review, Cecily. Hopefully soon will be able to make own opinion on that Woolf too.


Cecily Agnieszka wrote: "Thanks for your thorough, well-argued review, Cecily. Hopefully soon will be able to make own opinion on that Woolf too."

Thanks, Agnieszka. I'll keep my eyes peeled.


Steve R I just finished re-reading this early Woolf novel and found your review most insightful. However, I disagree that 'the title has no direct bearing on the story' since, I believe, it contains the key to unlock its overriding theme. Hopefully, this quote from Katherine's inner thoughts will elucidate this point: Why, she reflected, should there be this perpetual disparity between the thought and the action, between the life of solitude and the life of society, this astonishing precipice on one side of which the soul was active and in broad day light, on the other side of which it was contemplative and dark as night? Was it not possible to step from one to the other, erect, and without essential change?Why, she reflected, should there be this perpetual disparity between the thought and the action, between the life of solitude and the life of society, this astonishing precipice on one side of which the soul was active and in broad day light, on the other side of which it was contemplative and dark as night? Was it not possible to step from one to the other, erect, and without essential change? Why, she reflected, should there be this perpetual disparity between the thought and the action, between the life of solitude and the life of society, this astonishing precipice on one side of which the soul was active and in broad daylight, on the other side of which it was contemplative and dark as night? Was it not possible to step from on to the other, erect, and without essential change? Katherine and Ralph's difficulties in getting together come down to this inability of all people to accept a reality outside the one which their inner imagination has created for themselves. The light of the day of our illusions is subsumed in the dark reality of night.


Cecily Steve wrote: "... I disagree that 'the title has no direct bearing on the story'... "

You omitted what immediately followed, "but is indicative of the contrasts within". Isn't that much the same as what you're saying when you list contrasts like "perpetual disparity between the thought and the action, between the life of solitude and the life of society", except that your list of contrasts is rather different from mine?

Anyway, apologies if I've misunderstood, thanks for your comment, and your own thought-provoking review.


Steve R It wasn't my list: it was Katherine's - it was quote from the novel.


Cecily Steve wrote: "It wasn't my list: it was Katherine's - it was quote from the novel."

Sorry. I got a bit confused about who was quoting whom. Nevertheless, night and day is about the many contrasts that are important throughout the book.


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