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Pope Joan by Donna Woolfolk Cross
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bookshelves: historical-fiction, book-reviews, not-for-me
Read 2 times. Last read August 5, 2019.

Maybe I should NOT try to claim that I have actually and indeed finished reading Donna Woolfolk Cross' Pope Joan, as I have now tried to peruse this here novel a total of four times and not been able (or even in any way all that willing) to proceed past page 100 or so (always giving up in both despair and often even anger). However, and my sincere apologies to those of you who have actually loved Pope Joan (and there does seem to be quite a large number of fans), if I am unable to get past page 100 four times and counting, I do think that it is definitely the truth of the matter that I personally despise either the content or the author's writing style (or perhaps even a combination of both) to such an extent that I can and will only consider a one star ranking at best (and really, if I could, I would be giving even a lower score than one star to Pope Joan).

And with Pope Joan, MOST and actually, really ALL of my objections have indeed absolutely and utterly been with regard to the manner in which the plot is depicted and its narrational set-up, with the manner in which the story is written (is being told), in other words, my issues with Pope Joan are generally NOT with regard to the themes, the context, the information and details of the story, but with HOW Donna Woolfolk Cross has chosen to present, has chosen to pen her tale (for I personally do in no way either know or even dare make any comments as to whether a female pope perhaps did exist, as to whether there actually might have indeed been a historical, but for obvious reasons officially denied and suppressed by the Catholic Church Pope Joan, and truth be told, I actually did rather enjoy perusing the well researched and informative author's note and think that Donna Woolfolk Cross's assertions that there likely was indeed a bona fide Pope Joan do make quite a bit of common and also intellectual sense).

But my in many ways glowing appreciation of the author's research on the topic of Pope Joan (and how Donna Woolford Cross has organised and penned her supplemental notes) quite and utterly notwithstanding, what has definitely and yes ALWAYS defeated me and majorly annoyed me every time I have tried to unsuccessfully peruse Pope Joan is simply and utterly that the author's writing style and mode of expression are simply and utterly NOT AT ALL for me (and that at least in my opinion, Pope Joan reads like pure and unadulterated cinematic trash, with history, cultural descriptions, with all that would make a historical fiction novel of interest to and for me being drowned out by one-dimensional stock-like characters, and a textual wallowing in sex, violence and mystery). And while this might well make Pope Joan interesting and engaging to and for some readers, for me, it has only made me cringe, grind my teeth and with frustration and exasperation cast Pope Joan aside every time I have attempted a perusal (with the last time grudgingly trying again because certain family members were continuously pontificating about how wonderfully and expressively Donna Woolfolk Cross supposedly writes, and I kind of wanted to at least make a fourth effort, as my family already thinks I am a total and much too academic book nerd and snob).
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Reading Progress

July 10, 2011 – Shelved
July 10, 2011 – Shelved as: historical-fiction
January 18, 2018 – Started Reading
January 22, 2018 – Shelved as: book-reviews
January 22, 2018 – Shelved as: not-for-me
January 24, 2018 – Finished Reading
August 5, 2019 – Started Reading
August 5, 2019 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan Review coming?


message 2: by Manybooks (last edited Jul 10, 2011 07:43AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Manybooks Lisa wrote: "Review coming?"

I don't have a copy of the book anymore, but if the library does have a copy, I will probably attempt to reread it and write a review. It will be some time though before I get to it, all I remember was that I did not enjoy the writing style and felt that the characters were cardboard-like (and the whole story also felt quite historically anachronistic at times). I read this (or attempted to read this) years before joining Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ.


message 3: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan Oh gosh. Don't reread it if you didn't like it. Just leave it at the one star!!! Yes, many of my before Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ books, especially ones I read only once, I haven't reviewed and don't intend to review, but I've star rated quite a few.


Manybooks Lisa wrote: "Oh gosh. Don't reread it if you didn't like it. Just leave it at the one star!!! Yes, many of my before Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ books, especially ones I read only once, I haven't reviewed and don't intend to rev..."

I might anyway just to see if I can actually finish the book this time, last time, I stopped after 40 pages, I just could not be bothered to continue, ha.


message 5: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan Well, it's up to you, but after reading Chrissie's review I'm skipping it.
;-)


Manybooks Lisa wrote: "Well, it's up to you, but after reading Chrissie's review I'm skipping it.
;-)"


I think that's a good idea, Lisa. Chrissie's review made me realise just how much I despised the novel. Hmm, I don't think I'll reread it, but I might just leave a very short review in the future explaining what I did not like. I do remember that :-)


message 7: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan Yes, that makes sense, and doing that would be helpful to other members.


Anna Why didnt you like it??


Manybooks I felt it was quite unbelievable and I thought that the characters were rather two-dimensional, my friend Chrissie states in her own review that the book read like a movie script and was too melodramatic, which is how the book felt to me.


Manybooks Lisa wrote: "Yes, that makes sense, and doing that would be helpful to other members."

Finally posted a review but only after having decided to grudgingly reread this trash in order to quiet some rather persistent family members who keep insisting that the novel is lovely. Well, I doubt they will appreciate my review :-)


Chrissie Oh gosh, you made me laugh, what you say about her manner of writing. As you know I wholeheartedly agree with your view.


Manybooks Chrissie wrote: "Oh gosh, you made me laugh, what you say about her manner of writing. As you know I wholeheartedly agree with your view."

As I do with you, absolutely and utterly!


Chrissie Gundula, it is marvelous there there is a place, i.e. HERE at GR, where we can all voice are different opinions.


Manybooks Chrissie wrote: "Gundula, it is marvelous there there is a place, i.e. HERE at GR, where we can all voice are different opinions."

Good point!!


message 15: by dely (new)

dely I have never read the book (and after your review most likely I will never read it), but I really enjoyed the movie.


message 16: by Manybooks (last edited Jan 23, 2018 02:32PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Manybooks dely wrote: "I have never read the book (and after your review most likely I will never read it), but I really enjoyed the movie."

The book is really cinematic and reads very much like a movie, which is fine for a movie but not so fine if you are expecting something a bit more substantial.


Chrissie Gundula, you know what I have realized? When I say a book is cinematic, I mean it in a negative sense. BUT lots of other people want their books to be cinematic! This was an eye opener for me.

Ths is just another example of how difficult communication can be. As you put it - being more substantial -is good.


Manybooks Chrissie wrote: "Gundula, you know what I have realized? When I say a book is cinematic, I mean it in a negative sense. BUT lots of other people want their books to be cinematic! This was an eye opener for me.

Th..."


Good point, and I agree. But a lot of people like cinematic and for a movie it is often not an issue or in fact it is even necessary for certain types of movies (but I have never been a huge movie goer either).


Chrissie I think you would appreciate French movies more than the American though. I am like you, but generalizations tend to go wrong.


Manybooks Chrissie wrote: "I think you would appreciate French movies more than the American though. I am like you, but generalizations tend to go wrong."

If I can get French and the more artistic German movies, yes!


message 21: by Chrissie (last edited Jan 24, 2018 03:37AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Chrissie I knew I would be getting you right here. So are there artistic German ones too?

I am reading a book now, and I think you would like it a lot. It is by John Banville - The Blue Guitar. It is about this seedy guy, but his musings are so wonderful, articulate, always spot on. He is so self-accusatory, there is no need for the reader to criticize more. I think this is much better than The Sea.


Manybooks Chrissie wrote: "I knew I would be getting you right here. So are there artistic German ones too?

I am reading a book now, and I think you would like it a lot. It is by John Banville - [book:The Blue Guitar|252414..."


Yes, especially many of the Expressionistic ones! Not all, but enough ...

Have to check those books out. Thanks.


Marquise Good points all. This is one of those novels I read when I was younger that I've never felt the inclination to revisit, not even once, despite enjoying them lots back in the day. I suspect I'd rate it lower today, with what I know now and the tastes getting refined after years...


Manybooks Marquise wrote: "Good points all. This is one of those novels I read when I was younger that I've never felt the inclination to revisit, not even once, despite enjoying them lots back in the day. I suspect I'd rate..."

As a teenager I might have liked this more as well, but I first tried the book in my 30s.


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