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The Giver (The Giver, #1)
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ATTENTION CITIZENS! OUR BROTHER COMMUNITY OF SAMENESS HAS FALLEN! DOUBLEPLUS UNGOOD! BUT DO NOT FEAR! OUR REVOLUTIONARY RHETORIC AND UTOPIC IDEALS REMAIN SACROSANCT! IN OUR BROTHER COMMUNITIES OF OCEANIA, ANIMAL FARM, PANEM, THX 1138-VILLE, AND FAHRENHEIT 451 TOWNSHIP! AND SPREADING FURTHER! DOUBLEPLUS GOOD!
brief synopsis: at some point far in the future, an 11-year old boy named Jonas comes of age in an unnamed utopic community. coming of age means he is given his life's work; in Jonas' case, he is chosen to be The Receiver. he is given memories of all that came before and the responsibility of advising his community by accessing those memories. and as he takes in those memories, he gradually comes to realize that his idyllic little community is not so utopic after all.
do you remember the first time you realized that other people had their own lives - ones entirely apart from you, that have nothing to do with you whatsoever? i do. my cousin Christie - who i had a sizable crush on - was talking about what she had done in the days before. it slowly dawned on me that there were things that happened when i was not around, things that were important and interesting and had nothing whatsoever to do with me. i remember looking around the room and seeing the adults, and realizing that they too did not just disappear when they weren't in my presence. and then, in a flash, understanding that they had their own feelings and thoughts and plans that were just as important to them as mine were to me. i suppose it was my first exposure to the idea of empathy, of seeing people living lives in parallel to mine - rather than just in connection to mine - and feeling feelings that i felt, but had nothing to do with me. it was a startling realization for a budding young sociopath.
all of the above came back to me when reading The Giver. my favorite parts of this children's book were those points where young Jonas puts himself in other's shoes, tries to understand the motivations of his friends & family & community, angrily rejects the choices that some make, and experiences empathetic connections with The Giver (whose job he is taking over) - his failed but brave predecessor, and the baby Gabriel. i thought those parts were genuinely thrilling, sometimes painful, and often beautiful in their simplicity.
and yet the concept of empathy is not really what The Giver is about. simply put, it is a perhaps rather familiar tale of the importance of Individuality and of Individual Choice. i have absolutely no problem with that message... i just don't have a whole lot to say on the topic. seems like a no-brainer to me.
The Giver accomplishes its goals with ease. the prose is simple and straightforward and clear. the narrative moves from the depiction of a rather pleasant and happy community to the portrait of a community that is horrifying in its blind need for pleasant happiness for all. because the reader quickly realizes that not everything is perfect in perfectville, there was an overall tone of slowly building unease that was expertly handled. whether it is wondering about what "Release" truly means, the reappropriation of the word "animal" to mean a "foolish person", or worrying about the eventual fate of the infant Gabriel, Lois Lowry weaves in her troubling undercurrents in a way that is understated and yet still manages to pack an emotional punch. i did not feel manipulated. all in all, this is a striking novel for kids, one with an important message, and i am happy it is required reading in many schools.
it is also a surprisingly controversial novel. the complaints seem to boil down to three major concerns:
(1) The Giver is either too sophisticated for children or too unsophisticated for adults
(2) The Giver does not stand up to literary criticism; The Giver has constant lapses into illogic
(3) The Giver is anti-socialist propaganda
okay, i was going to spend some time (and who knows how many boring paragraphs) in attempting to refute all of those criticisms, point by point. eh, who cares. people will always have their opinions. my major response right now is OH, GIVE ME A BREAK, THAT IS SUCH BULLSHIT. i did not see illogic in The Giver; i saw a pleasingly straightforward morality tale, a fable of sorts. i think this is a book that kids can easily handle and to think otherwise is to think little of a kid's capacity for understanding. as far as being too unsophisticated for adults or not standing up to literary criticism, honestly all i can do is yawn at such trite and trifling accusations. and regarding the novel being anti-socialist propaganda... i just have to roll my eyes and yawn again. the timeless message of The Giver certainly moves it beyond any pointed crique of any particular style of government. seriously... duh. stop hatin', haters. don't get it twisted. if you want something to hate, exert yourself over Ayn Rand instead - who takes a similar message and perverts it until the message about individuality becomes abhorrent and disgusting. unlike the atrocious Fountainhead, the message here is a pure one.
and that's that. this is a great book. if they haven't read it already, give it to the kids in your life; i know i will.
one last thing: The Giver reminded me a lot of the equally wonderful Shades of Grey: The Road to High Saffron. read that one too, it's awesome.
brief synopsis: at some point far in the future, an 11-year old boy named Jonas comes of age in an unnamed utopic community. coming of age means he is given his life's work; in Jonas' case, he is chosen to be The Receiver. he is given memories of all that came before and the responsibility of advising his community by accessing those memories. and as he takes in those memories, he gradually comes to realize that his idyllic little community is not so utopic after all.
do you remember the first time you realized that other people had their own lives - ones entirely apart from you, that have nothing to do with you whatsoever? i do. my cousin Christie - who i had a sizable crush on - was talking about what she had done in the days before. it slowly dawned on me that there were things that happened when i was not around, things that were important and interesting and had nothing whatsoever to do with me. i remember looking around the room and seeing the adults, and realizing that they too did not just disappear when they weren't in my presence. and then, in a flash, understanding that they had their own feelings and thoughts and plans that were just as important to them as mine were to me. i suppose it was my first exposure to the idea of empathy, of seeing people living lives in parallel to mine - rather than just in connection to mine - and feeling feelings that i felt, but had nothing to do with me. it was a startling realization for a budding young sociopath.
all of the above came back to me when reading The Giver. my favorite parts of this children's book were those points where young Jonas puts himself in other's shoes, tries to understand the motivations of his friends & family & community, angrily rejects the choices that some make, and experiences empathetic connections with The Giver (whose job he is taking over) - his failed but brave predecessor, and the baby Gabriel. i thought those parts were genuinely thrilling, sometimes painful, and often beautiful in their simplicity.
and yet the concept of empathy is not really what The Giver is about. simply put, it is a perhaps rather familiar tale of the importance of Individuality and of Individual Choice. i have absolutely no problem with that message... i just don't have a whole lot to say on the topic. seems like a no-brainer to me.
The Giver accomplishes its goals with ease. the prose is simple and straightforward and clear. the narrative moves from the depiction of a rather pleasant and happy community to the portrait of a community that is horrifying in its blind need for pleasant happiness for all. because the reader quickly realizes that not everything is perfect in perfectville, there was an overall tone of slowly building unease that was expertly handled. whether it is wondering about what "Release" truly means, the reappropriation of the word "animal" to mean a "foolish person", or worrying about the eventual fate of the infant Gabriel, Lois Lowry weaves in her troubling undercurrents in a way that is understated and yet still manages to pack an emotional punch. i did not feel manipulated. all in all, this is a striking novel for kids, one with an important message, and i am happy it is required reading in many schools.
it is also a surprisingly controversial novel. the complaints seem to boil down to three major concerns:
(1) The Giver is either too sophisticated for children or too unsophisticated for adults
(2) The Giver does not stand up to literary criticism; The Giver has constant lapses into illogic
(3) The Giver is anti-socialist propaganda
okay, i was going to spend some time (and who knows how many boring paragraphs) in attempting to refute all of those criticisms, point by point. eh, who cares. people will always have their opinions. my major response right now is OH, GIVE ME A BREAK, THAT IS SUCH BULLSHIT. i did not see illogic in The Giver; i saw a pleasingly straightforward morality tale, a fable of sorts. i think this is a book that kids can easily handle and to think otherwise is to think little of a kid's capacity for understanding. as far as being too unsophisticated for adults or not standing up to literary criticism, honestly all i can do is yawn at such trite and trifling accusations. and regarding the novel being anti-socialist propaganda... i just have to roll my eyes and yawn again. the timeless message of The Giver certainly moves it beyond any pointed crique of any particular style of government. seriously... duh. stop hatin', haters. don't get it twisted. if you want something to hate, exert yourself over Ayn Rand instead - who takes a similar message and perverts it until the message about individuality becomes abhorrent and disgusting. unlike the atrocious Fountainhead, the message here is a pure one.
and that's that. this is a great book. if they haven't read it already, give it to the kids in your life; i know i will.
one last thing: The Giver reminded me a lot of the equally wonderful Shades of Grey: The Road to High Saffron. read that one too, it's awesome.
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...then as I got older, I had to ask myself, "yes? Book about...WHAT, exactly?" I realized recently that I never actually knew anything about it.
More recently, with my immersions into speculative fiction, this book became more and more apparent as something to pay attention to. So let me ask: just what the heck IS it about, and why is it good?

anyway, my review (and synopsis) to come. hopefully sometime today or tomorrow. and yes, i thought it was good. a good kid's book. 4-star Good!



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i think that one got on my radar because of an interesting point you made about it in another book's thread. if i ever decide to tackle Ayn Rand again (unlikely as that may be), that will be where i go. just the other day i finally made the decision to drop off the still-unread Atlas Shrugged to my work's donation shelf. it had been staring me down for literally 2 decades. i had enough!
hopefully i am not mixing up my Ians. you are one of 3 high-quality Ians i've come across in GR, so you'll have to forgive me if i confused you with someone else.

ugh. isn't that annoying? it's like they haven't even been around children. and yet it seems like i read those kinds of comments from parents!
that mirrors seniority prejudice that they are simply too feeble to be useful or understand complex concepts
so true. i've been coming across that sentiment at work a lot, since i'm at the beginning of a needs assessment for a certain demographic of seniors in the bay area. and the folks who exhibit that kind of condescension are usually otherwise-awesome administrators of senior programs! it is surprising, and annoying.

i think that one got on my radar because of an interesting ..."
Mark, Anthem is just as Ayn Randish as everything else she wrote, only shorter. I still want to read Atlas Shrugged and become a billionaire and have my own railroad.








very, very, very guilty as charged. i can (sadly) say that even that first glimpse of empathy didn't really stick. it's funny that i rejected Ayn Rand so completely in college - when i was an egocentric asshole even then. i should have loved her. but my progressive self just couldn't deal with her.
this is a wee bit shameful, but i didn't fully understand what "empathy" even was until i took a "peer support training" in 1994. it was a two-weekend training that all volunteers took before being assigned an HIV+ client to volunteer for. the training was all about empathy & active listening & cultural humility and many other wonderful things. it truly changed me and my perspective in and on life. i'm still an egocentric asshole at heart, but because of that life-changing training, i try to put empathy and all of those other things first, as a constant goal.
and by "life-changing", i mean it. eventually i left my really high-paying job downtown and came to work for the relatively broke nonprofit that gave that training in the first place. and here i am, still working there.

very, very, very guilty as charged. i can (sadly) say that even that first glimpse of empathy didn't really stick. it's funny that i rejected ..."
Good for you. Yes, I had a similar empathy inducing period. And it is--has to be an active desire on your part to put empathy first. That's tough to do but enormously rewarding in the end.

you are right, it has to be an active desire... and it is enormously rewarding.

Fully Objectified Super Humans only! and cats!


I have the same problem with Marks and Richards!

Now I will sit here and cringe and wait for the gernades to start.

we will have to work on your love for Ayn Rand, but i will probably be doing that subliminally, so you won't even notice. a year from now you will hate her and you won't even know why. muahahahahaha!
oh and hey, please send James over. i need some coffee, stat!

Have just checked this one. Its Jasper Fforde. I love him but had not even heard of this one. Now on the list. cheers

I was just reminded of this conversation by last night's storm; my cat was insisting that his squirrel and bird friends needed to come inside. As soon as the rain stopped he tiptoed out through the puddles to see if they were okay.
Objectivists would probably only take this as more evidence that non-objectivists are silly...




What I don't understand is why people think this is some sort of propaganda? Would it be alright to ask an explanation? :P

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
and i'm glad you enjoyed (and laughed with) my review. cheers!