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Capitães da Areia
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Jorge Amado wanted to speak against the poverty and misery in Brazil, about all that made those young boys homeless thieves. But he romanticizes these boys in everything they do, even when they rape young black women for sport. In Amado’s books, men always seem to think in poor black women like objects, beings, there just for their pleasure, to cook and to have sex.
In a deeply disturbing scene, the hero [sic] Pedro Bala annaly rapes a fifteen years old black girl after she claims to be a virgin. He menaces her, and she realizes that if she won’t consent [sic] to that, he will take her virginity, and then he tries to rape her anyway because he is still excited. At the end, he lets her go, making her promise that she will meet him in the following day to be annaly raped once again. If she doesn’t show up, he will take revenge on her. Amado writes that she cried of fear, but also that she felt desire, and he actually uses the words “She consented�. He also writes that she behaved as a mad woman, crying and screaming, with terror in her eyes. And that all she felt was pain and fear, and desire to run away. Pedro Bala hates her because she keeps crying, thinking in the end that she was just a kid and regretting ever meeting her, even though he later rapes other girls. He states that he did nothing to her, because she was still virgin. And many people wondered if Amado wrote about her desire because of the image that black girls are always sexually available.
They also try to gang rape a little girl, giving up not because one of them points out repeatedly that she is a child, but because Pedro Bala, who initially stated that it was their right to rape her, gets fascinated by her blond hair. They then stop seeing her as a sexual being, thinking in her as a sweet mother. There is an old prejudice, that women can be either whores or wives. In 19th century Brazil, there was a racist saying: “A black woman in the kitchen, a mulata in the bed and a white girl in the altar�. Amado’s characters sometimes seem to live in these times.
Amado may write in a very poetical manner, but that doesn’t change the facts: if we lived in that city, everyone would be terrified by those boys. It’s an awful cycle: the police brutality makes the boys crueler; their cruelty makes people support police brutality. As terrible as that sounds, when crime rates are too high, people feel safer if the police is killing teenage rapists and murderers, since Brazilian laws state that teenagers can’t be in prison for long, regardless of the crime they committed. Of course they suffered a lot, and I believe that misery justifies petty thefts, but I have always felt that to say that this is a justification for their actions or its reasons is an offense to all those who suffered but never committed rape and murder.
And I believe that, to some extent, to believe that black women are always sensual, always willing to have sex, is a form of racism.
In a deeply disturbing scene, the hero [sic] Pedro Bala annaly rapes a fifteen years old black girl after she claims to be a virgin. He menaces her, and she realizes that if she won’t consent [sic] to that, he will take her virginity, and then he tries to rape her anyway because he is still excited. At the end, he lets her go, making her promise that she will meet him in the following day to be annaly raped once again. If she doesn’t show up, he will take revenge on her. Amado writes that she cried of fear, but also that she felt desire, and he actually uses the words “She consented�. He also writes that she behaved as a mad woman, crying and screaming, with terror in her eyes. And that all she felt was pain and fear, and desire to run away. Pedro Bala hates her because she keeps crying, thinking in the end that she was just a kid and regretting ever meeting her, even though he later rapes other girls. He states that he did nothing to her, because she was still virgin. And many people wondered if Amado wrote about her desire because of the image that black girls are always sexually available.
They also try to gang rape a little girl, giving up not because one of them points out repeatedly that she is a child, but because Pedro Bala, who initially stated that it was their right to rape her, gets fascinated by her blond hair. They then stop seeing her as a sexual being, thinking in her as a sweet mother. There is an old prejudice, that women can be either whores or wives. In 19th century Brazil, there was a racist saying: “A black woman in the kitchen, a mulata in the bed and a white girl in the altar�. Amado’s characters sometimes seem to live in these times.
Amado may write in a very poetical manner, but that doesn’t change the facts: if we lived in that city, everyone would be terrified by those boys. It’s an awful cycle: the police brutality makes the boys crueler; their cruelty makes people support police brutality. As terrible as that sounds, when crime rates are too high, people feel safer if the police is killing teenage rapists and murderers, since Brazilian laws state that teenagers can’t be in prison for long, regardless of the crime they committed. Of course they suffered a lot, and I believe that misery justifies petty thefts, but I have always felt that to say that this is a justification for their actions or its reasons is an offense to all those who suffered but never committed rape and murder.
And I believe that, to some extent, to believe that black women are always sensual, always willing to have sex, is a form of racism.
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I don't know if that is enough to make the book a bad one, honestly, I don't even know if that would be enough to make me hate it. It wasn't the only criteria that made me give the book one star, even though some are quite personal.
Maybe the fact that I only used one criteria in my review made it a bit amateurish, but I think most other reviews here discuss other aspects of Amado's books, and I was actually going for a different view.
What do you think?
Francisco wrote: "sure, its wrong... but does this make the book bad? shouldnt you use more criteria other than one bit (important, i reckon) of story?"
What do you mean by "this"? A rapist protagonist or the way the author writes about his rapist character?
I think these are very different things. In Clockwork Orange, for instance, the protagonist is a teenager who rapes and kills without a shred of remorse. But the book won’t work if we don’t feel a bit of empathy for his fate. We have to think that he is a rapist and a murderer but also a person, and that the government can’t treat him as if he wasn’t. Burgess wasn’t trying to excuse him or justify his actions. He said in a few interviews that Alex was a monster. But still, the government can’t violate human rights.
Amado also shows teenagers ignored or abused by the government, also shows teenagers that commit horrible crimes. The difference is that he does seem to be trying to justify their actions. The whole scene of the black kid being raped by Pedro Bala is “how to make rape palatable�. The way he describes the fear and desire in her eyes is disturbing, makes it seems that the kid doubts of either she wants to be raped. Lots of people think it is a sexy scene.
So I do believe that the way the author writes about the crimes make this a bad book.
What do you mean by "this"? A rapist protagonist or the way the author writes about his rapist character?
I think these are very different things. In Clockwork Orange, for instance, the protagonist is a teenager who rapes and kills without a shred of remorse. But the book won’t work if we don’t feel a bit of empathy for his fate. We have to think that he is a rapist and a murderer but also a person, and that the government can’t treat him as if he wasn’t. Burgess wasn’t trying to excuse him or justify his actions. He said in a few interviews that Alex was a monster. But still, the government can’t violate human rights.
Amado also shows teenagers ignored or abused by the government, also shows teenagers that commit horrible crimes. The difference is that he does seem to be trying to justify their actions. The whole scene of the black kid being raped by Pedro Bala is “how to make rape palatable�. The way he describes the fear and desire in her eyes is disturbing, makes it seems that the kid doubts of either she wants to be raped. Lots of people think it is a sexy scene.
So I do believe that the way the author writes about the crimes make this a bad book.

as CSNY said, Teach your children well, their father's hell did slowly go by.
I'm not expecting that they are deeply moral. As I just said, I’m expecting that people won’t romanticize their crimes. Again, as I just said, my problem is not with the main characters, but with the way their actions are justified.
Even though they didn’t have a proper education, they are criminals. To justify that, as Caddy said, is an offense to all that suffered misery and abuse and never thought it was ok to do the same to others. They suffered great injustice, so did their victims. To romanticize any one of them is to forget about the other. They should go to jail. Not a Brazilian typical jail, where they would become worse. But to a place where they could learn and become non threatening members of the society. Burgess believed the same.
When you say “the answer, as you two [sic] eagerly forgot, is love.� that seems a contradiction. If they commit crimes because they didn’t have a proper education, education should be the answer.
Even though they didn’t have a proper education, they are criminals. To justify that, as Caddy said, is an offense to all that suffered misery and abuse and never thought it was ok to do the same to others. They suffered great injustice, so did their victims. To romanticize any one of them is to forget about the other. They should go to jail. Not a Brazilian typical jail, where they would become worse. But to a place where they could learn and become non threatening members of the society. Burgess believed the same.
When you say “the answer, as you two [sic] eagerly forgot, is love.� that seems a contradiction. If they commit crimes because they didn’t have a proper education, education should be the answer.

p.s. doesn't love teach?
Which page? The whole book seems to justify horrible crimes because the boys are homeless and uneducated, the whole book has stereotypes.
Does love teach? I don’t believe so. I think this is a very romantic view.
Does love teach? I don’t believe so. I think this is a very romantic view.

I loved the comparision between Clockwork Orange and Capitães da Areia. It's very interesting.

We do disagree that 1) love can't lead to education. I believe that were these kids to be put in a school, they wouldnt benefict at all. Rules (and by love educates, i meant teaches values) are first give by the parents; 2) the book is bad, because the hero isn't really a hero, but an asshole. I agree that he's an asshole, but i don't agree that was Amado's intention to forgive or give reasons for Pedro's behavior. He feels like shit after what he has done. I have to quote my book, because i dont it in english: "(...) a pena que sentia pela pobre negrinha, uma criança também. Uma criança também - ouvia na voz do vento, no samba que cantavam, uma voz dentro dele.", something like they're kids and he was ashamed for what he had done the girl.
So my opinion is: Amado didn't romanticize, he didnt took a side, he only told what had happened. Even if he had, I wouldnt say that the book is bad just because it isnt ethical. Shit happens. It's not because Pedro did it that i will do it. Geez.
I don't agree that education builds ethics. I was just pointing out what seemed a contradiction between your posts. I don't expect that they are moral because of their lives of misery and abuse, not because they are uneducated.
I agree that being put in school right now would not bring any benefits to the Capitães da Areia. I don't believe that love can educate alone, but it can be a part of education. As the social environment, the school and even the media. I believe the great "it" that lacked them was care, structure, not love. How many kids grow up fine in orphanages? How many grow up to be misfits after a childhood with parents that were loving but did not provide structure?
Once again, I don't think the book is bad because the hero is an asshole. So was Alex in Clockwork Orange, and I love that book. But because I do believe that Amado was trying to justify his behavior.
I don't own the book in English, so I'll just take the parts of Caddy's review:
"Amado writes that she cried of fear, but also that she felt desire, and he actually uses the words 'She consented'. He also writes that she behaved as a mad woman, crying and screaming, with terror in her eyes. And that all she felt was pain and fear, and desire to run away. Pedro Bala hates her because she keeps crying, thinking in the end that she was just a kid and regretting ever meeting her, even though he later rapes other girls. He states that he did nothing to her, because she was still virgin. And many people wondered if Amado wrote about her desire because of the image that black girls are always sexually available."
Honestly, he felt like shit? So what? Is that regret? He later said it was the gang's right to rape Dora, and he gave up not because he remembered the other girl, not because one of his friends repeatedly stated that she was just a kid, but because he was fascinated to her blonde her. The other boys didn't try to rape her again because she became a mother figure, but there are other references to the rape of black girls. If he felt truly regret he should have tried to change, not just think a pretty sentence.
Shit happens? Honestly, if I lived in Salvador at that time I would hope the police to kill these boys. I would not for a moment believe that it was the right thing to do, I would blame myself for thinking it, but I would be so scared to suffer an assault or see it happening to anyone I care about that I would desire it. That is certainly unethical, but it's also human. So I don't think the book is bad because romanticizing violence is unethical, but because it is untrue and, it's my personal belief, unfair.
I believe that the language that Amado uses, the one that was so praised, is a form of romanticizing the events.
I never said that romanticizing a behavior would make you imitate it. I don't even know you.
I agree that being put in school right now would not bring any benefits to the Capitães da Areia. I don't believe that love can educate alone, but it can be a part of education. As the social environment, the school and even the media. I believe the great "it" that lacked them was care, structure, not love. How many kids grow up fine in orphanages? How many grow up to be misfits after a childhood with parents that were loving but did not provide structure?
Once again, I don't think the book is bad because the hero is an asshole. So was Alex in Clockwork Orange, and I love that book. But because I do believe that Amado was trying to justify his behavior.
I don't own the book in English, so I'll just take the parts of Caddy's review:
"Amado writes that she cried of fear, but also that she felt desire, and he actually uses the words 'She consented'. He also writes that she behaved as a mad woman, crying and screaming, with terror in her eyes. And that all she felt was pain and fear, and desire to run away. Pedro Bala hates her because she keeps crying, thinking in the end that she was just a kid and regretting ever meeting her, even though he later rapes other girls. He states that he did nothing to her, because she was still virgin. And many people wondered if Amado wrote about her desire because of the image that black girls are always sexually available."
Honestly, he felt like shit? So what? Is that regret? He later said it was the gang's right to rape Dora, and he gave up not because he remembered the other girl, not because one of his friends repeatedly stated that she was just a kid, but because he was fascinated to her blonde her. The other boys didn't try to rape her again because she became a mother figure, but there are other references to the rape of black girls. If he felt truly regret he should have tried to change, not just think a pretty sentence.
Shit happens? Honestly, if I lived in Salvador at that time I would hope the police to kill these boys. I would not for a moment believe that it was the right thing to do, I would blame myself for thinking it, but I would be so scared to suffer an assault or see it happening to anyone I care about that I would desire it. That is certainly unethical, but it's also human. So I don't think the book is bad because romanticizing violence is unethical, but because it is untrue and, it's my personal belief, unfair.
I believe that the language that Amado uses, the one that was so praised, is a form of romanticizing the events.
I never said that romanticizing a behavior would make you imitate it. I don't even know you.

The book is bad not because of a criminal main character, but because of a parcial view of the events. Come on, she consented to her rape? She was divided between fear and desire at the time of the rape? These are the things a man accused of rape would later tell the police, and I would have no problem with a first person narrator saying it, but not an omniscient one.
Regret is nothing if it is just words.
Amado's beautiful language contributes to my perception of how he is trying to make his rapist character more likable.
Romanticizing the crimes is not bad because it is unethical (speaking of ethics in art is like making laws about sex), but because it is untrue and unfair.
On that account, I would equally dislike the book if it presented only the raped girl view of the boys. They are victims and criminals. You can't present them as just one.
P.S.: This discussion made me remember of a Faulkner quote:
"Some things you must always be unable to bear. Some things you must never stop refusing to bear. Injustice and outrage and dishonor and shame. No matter how young you are or how old you have got. Not for kudos and not for cash: your picture in the paper nor money in the bank either. Just refuse to bear them."







ZERO critical thinking. Zero ability to comprehension. Its appalling�
I don't understand Jorge Amado. He said so many things against racism, and in his books black women are sexy, depraved little things.