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Milkman by Anna Burns
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Winner of the Man Booker Prize 2018 *sigh*
This isn't a bad book, but I didn't enjoy reading it at all - which confronts me with the challenge to do the novel justice while also explaining why it didn't appeal to me. Challenge accepted!

"Milkman" tells the story of an 18-year-old woman in Belfast during the Troubles. While she is trying to stay out of the turmoil around her, even going as far as reading while she is walking the city, this attempt is obviously doomed: In times of a crisis of this magnitude, everything becomes political, and everyone is drawn into the conflict in his or her own way. Burns main aim is to show how the charged situation disrupts communities, not only between the two opposing sides, but also within the narrator's party: Who might be a traitor? Who is not properly supporting the cause? Who doesn't conform to the group's standards? Who might be a spy? Fear and fanatism drive the people into a frenzy, a kind of communal neurosis, fueled by the constant state of emergency they live in.

What I liked about the book is that Burns manages to write about a specific historic situation, but to transcend her story way beyond that: She does a great job detailing the psychological effects of fear and trauma, and these effects of the Troubles can be transferred to many conflicts and politically charged situations - as I am German, many passages reminded me of stories I heard and books I read about the GDR, where people also lived in constant fear of being spied upon, of being ostracized and ruined because they were declared to be traitors to the socialist cause, no matter what they really did or did not believe.

Our narrator is in a comparable situation, as she is accused of having an affair with the married "Milkman", which is not the case - still, people in the community create a reality by perpetuating the story. Large parts - in fact, very large parts - of the book are comprised of the protagonist's ruminations, and while many of her thoughts are interesting per se, she goes on and on and on and accesses certain aspects from all angles possible, again and again. From a poetic standpoint, this makes sense: There is not much real action, but much talk that goes around in circles and thus becomes the reality of the book and of the protagonist's life. But I found it tedious to read, and in parts I got seriously annoyed because I felt like I had long gotten the point, but Burns was still hammering it home for the sake of going all the way through with her poetic concept - very consequential, but for my taste, also very garrulous in parts.

Talking about ideas that are repeated ad infintum: Another important topic in the book are names and labels, because, as I explained above, the expressions that are attached to a person tend to become and utterly define the person (or the other way around) in the context of the conflict. Thus, there is "Milkman" (a senior paramilitary figure who stalks and threatens our protagonist), "the real Milkman" (surprise: He really is a milkman), "maybe-boyfriend", the "longest friend from primary school", the "land-over-the-water" and "the land-over-the-border", and so on and so forth - after the 3,000th mention of "maybe-boyfriend", I thought the idea to constantly repeat these labels became "maybe-pretentious". It's not that I don't see what Burns is doing here, but repeating an idea over 400 pages turns clever into annoying, IMHO.

It needs to be said that while this is a serious book about serious stuff, it is also in parts very funny, as Burns underlines the absurdity of the whole situation, and as the story progresses, it becomes more and more bizarre (which I didn't mind). I also found the way Burns explores the role of women and marriage way more interesting as in, let's say, its fellow Booker nominee The Water Cure.

Still, to finish this was a chore - I saw the intellectual and literary merit of the book, but I can't say that I had fun reading it.
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Reading Progress

July 23, 2018 – Started Reading
July 23, 2018 – Shelved
July 23, 2018 – Shelved as: to-read
July 23, 2018 – Shelved as: 2018-mbp
July 23, 2018 – Shelved as: ireland
July 25, 2018 –
29.0%
August 1, 2018 –
40.0% "This is "maybe-pretentious"."
August 8, 2018 – Shelved as: 2018-read
August 8, 2018 – Finished Reading

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Hugh this one will be interesting!


Meike This was a real struggle for me, Hugh, but the book clearly has its qualities!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer Sounds like you didn’t have the change of view that the other half of NMT experienced.

Although I loved the book, I can completely understand why someone would struggle with it (and get frustrated - or should I say maybe-frustrated with it) and for that reason would be very surprised to see it win the prize.

I am a surprised it is currently so high in the Mookes rankings but wonder if it might fall as more people get to it as there may have been some self selection in the early readers.


Hugh I suspect I might have liked it less if I had less background knowledge of the Troubles and Ulster politics


Meike Gumble, I see how you could love the book, but this was just not for me - some of the most important poetic concepts made sense as ideas, but they seriously went on my nerves (which is of course absolutely subjective).

Hugh, that might well be the case! Still, I also appreciated that Burns managed to write a story that points beyond the Troubles - I think I had very different associatons than you, simply because I am not from the UK, which I think is a strong point of the book: It can speak differently to many people!


message 6: by Neil (last edited Aug 08, 2018 09:52AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Neil GY is right that one of us had a change of view whilst reading, but we only ended up one star apart. I see what you are saying, but, for example, I didn’t find the labels instead of names annoying - in fact, they became like names after a while and I wouldn’t object to repeated use of a person’s name.


Meike I was annoyed by that, and even more so as there were constantly new labels introduced. Especially the maybe-boyfriend became pretty pretentious, I thought - but I guess there's a lot of personal taste involved, and we can't always agree, can we? :-)


Neil We have to have minor disagreements sometimes to stop people thinking we are the same person.


Marchpane Excellent review Meike! You've summed up so many of the same thoughts I had with this book. And your note at the end made me think - this book is the anti-Water Cure: that one had an appealing style but not much substance, whereas Milkman has tons of substance wrapped up in an impenetrable style.


Meike Thank you so much, Marchpane! I agree with your remarks re Milkman vs. Water Cure - at least you can't blame Burns to be lacking in substance! :-) By now, our rankings are almost the same - great minds think alike! :-)


LindaJ^ Excellent review. I had exactly the same reaction - actually reading the book was torture but I appreciated how the author was able to make me feel what it was like to live in that time in Belfast.


Meike LindaJ^ wrote: "Excellent review. I had exactly the same reaction - actually reading the book was torture but I appreciated how the author was able to make me feel what it was like to live in that time in Belfast."

Thank you so much, Linda! I agree: It's not a bad book, but it was no fun reading it! :-)


WndyJW Very fair review, Meike, and, as always, well written.


Meike WndyJW wrote: "Very fair review, Meike, and, as always, well written."

Thank you very much, Wendy!


Anita Pomerantz I am so not enjoying this book thus far. I really, really hope it gets better or it's going to be a long slow slog.


Meike Anita wrote: "I am so not enjoying this book thus far. I really, really hope it gets better or it's going to be a long slow slog."

Haha, Anita, let me put it that way: I started this book right at the beginning of my Booker journey, then I kept putting it aside until I had no other choice but to finish it in order to complete my Booker set. I see what Burns wants to do with all those ruminations, but I also didn't enjoy reading them! :-)


Anita Pomerantz That makes me feel better . . .I am at least adjusting to the style so reading a little faster, but I am so not a fan. It feels like a skipping record to me . . .repeat, repeat, repeat . . .until you nudge the needle to the next section. You probably arent old enough for that analogy, lol! Let's just say it is irritating.


Meike Hahaha, but vinyl is chic again! :-) I had the same experience as you: The book was easier to read once I got used to the style, but even then, I didn't enjoy it. To me, it feels like a case of "theoretically solid, but not exactly compelling"! :-)


Hella great review!


Meike Hella wrote: "great review!"

Thank you very much, Hella! :-)


Hella I finally finished it, and felt exactly the same. I saw the merits but hated reading it.


Meike Hella wrote: "I finally finished it, and felt exactly the same. I saw the merits but hated reading it."

Hahaha, we are not alone, Hella - quite some people felt like that! :-)


message 23: by Doug (new) - rated it 1 star

Doug Count me in as one who absolutely detested every minute of it!


Anita Pomerantz Hella wrote: "I finally finished it, and felt exactly the same. I saw the merits but hated reading it."

At least you saw the merits! I failed to do that, AND I hated reading it.


Meike @Doug: That's a growing list, and I am definitely on it as well! :-)

@Anita & @Hella: If this gets shortlisted at the expense of something like "The Long Take", I'll snap! (See what I did there? ;-))


Karyn Oh dear. I’m only 60 arduous pages in and turning to Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ to see if this will get any better..... Looks like the answer is no!


message 27: by Neil (new) - rated it 4 stars

Neil Or yes, depending on who you talk to! I thought it got better and better the more I read.


message 28: by Hugh (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hugh Karyn wrote: "Oh dear. I’m only 60 arduous pages in and turning to Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ to see if this will get any better..... Looks like the answer is no!" Well I thought it did, but it does seem to be dividing opinion more than most of the other books on the longlist. Some of us think it deserves to win!


Anita Pomerantz Meike wrote: "@Doug: That's a growing list, and I am definitely on it as well! :-)

@Anita & @Hella: If this gets shortlisted at the expense of something like "The Long Take", I'll snap! (See what I did there? ;-))"


Ha ha, I see!! Too funny.


message 30: by Meike (last edited Sep 04, 2018 09:26AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Meike Karyn wrote: "Oh dear. I’m only 60 arduous pages in and turning to Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ to see if this will get any better..... Looks like the answer is no!"

Haha, Karyn, I can re-assure you that it gets easier to read once you get used to the style - this doesn't mean that it gets more enjoyable though! :-) Still, similar to the case of the terrible "Reservoir 13" last year, the militants are already busy to defend the book's questionable reputation! :-)

@Neil: Well, Karyn's obviously talking to me, and I see where she's coming from! :-) :-) :-)
@Hugh: Some readers might think that - there's an audience for all kinds of stuff! :-) :-) :-)

In all seriousness: The book does have its merits, I just didn't like it, and unfortunately, that's not a singular opinion.


Hella sigh, indeed!


message 32: by Hugh (new) - rated it 5 stars

Hugh Some of us are delighted - sorry you couldn't enjoy it more..


Meike Hella wrote: "sigh, indeed!"

Hahaha, Hella - what a drama! Where is my tequila?? :-)


Anita Pomerantz **gag**

I feel completely deflated. Next year, I think I'm going to read the National Book Award nominees instead . . .that's how bummed I am right now that this book was the winner. And how much I hated it.


Meike @Hugh: The book does have literary merit, no doubt, I just didn't like it, while I liked some of the other contestants a whole lot! But I don't believe in categories like "the best book" or "the right winner" anyway, and I am happy that you enjoyed Burns' work!


Meike @Anita: Over at the Secret Society of International Book Lovers, there's a hilarious discussion between #TeamMilkman and #TeamShellshocked going on - I'm a member of #TeamShellshocked, obviously! :-)
Next year, you have to read both prize lists, it's super fun!!! :-)


Anita Pomerantz Meike wrote: "@Anita: Over at the Secret Society of International Book Lovers, there's a hilarious discussion between #TeamMilkman and #TeamShellshocked going on - I'm a member of #TeamShellshocked, obviously! :..."

I need to join #TeamShellShocked! Honestly, I can't even be gracious in defeat right now. The judges who brought us Snap and a graphic novel, now deliver us a winner with a voice akin to nails on a chalkboard. Are you sure this is fun? I feel like I can never get the time back I spent reading Milkman and now it is forever more a Man Booker Prize winner. I thought I hated Possession, but that was a master work by comparison.


Meike Anita, the win might not be fun, but your observations are hilarious: "a voice akin to nails on a chalkboard" - hahahaha, the book clearly drove you to new literary hights! :-)
Don't be upset, we'll have a new shot next year - and I'm glad I read Johnson, Robertson, and Edugyan, which I wouldn't have done without the Booker!


Gumble's Yard - Golden Reviewer And Robertson (or Gunaratne who I know your group loved and introduced to the rest of us in your long list prediction) might still win the Goldsmith this year.


Meike Yes Gumble, there is still hope out there! :-)


message 41: by Anita (last edited Oct 16, 2018 02:42PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Anita Pomerantz Meike wrote: "Anita, the win might not be fun, but your observations are hilarious: "a voice akin to nails on a chalkboard" - hahahaha, the book clearly drove you to new literary hights! :-)
Don't be upset, we'l..."


Lol, I think I need to step away from the keyboard, but let's just say I liked last year's choices SO MUCH BETTER than this year's. And the one I really think I would have liked (The Long Take) I wasn't able to even get . . .I did win Gunaratne's book through Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ. It's en route. Do you think I will like that one?


Meike Oh, I really liked Gunaratne, the book has an interesting concept which is played out in language and content, and it's fresh and musical! You also definitely have to get Robertson, his book is amazing.
And yes, Lincoln in the Bardo was perfection, not to speak of Days Without End - wonderful stuff!


Anita Pomerantz Meike wrote: "Oh, I really liked Gunaratne, the book has an interesting concept which is played out in language and content, and it's fresh and musical! You also definitely have to get Robertson, his book is ama..."

I loved Lincoln in the Bardo very much, and I'm happy you think I'll like the book I won (very happy). As soon as the ebook is available here for Robertson I will definitely try that out as I was very intrigued by the premise and the structure sounds worthwhile.


Victoria I absolutely agree with Meike ! Perfect description of the experience I had while reading this book. The endless ruminations leading back to the moment . Get on with it ! Was what I was internally screaming. I the best bits of this book was the actual not the endless thought process . Some funny moments, some sad but much too much claustrophobic reflection.


Meike Victoria wrote: "I absolutely agree with Meike ! Perfect description of the experience I had while reading this book. The endless ruminations leading back to the moment . Get on with it ! Was what I was internally ..."

Thank you so much, Victoria! I think "claustrophic reflection" aptly describes the experience.


message 46: by Mary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mary Paschall I was just happy to finish this book. I've read the Booker Short List this year and Milkman was not my pick. I guess I see why it won: Norn Iron, the Troubles, women, kind of experimental style. But I am so tired of pages of run-on-sentences that don't necessarily contribute to the plot. Just because you're Irish doesn't mean you're JJ.


Meike Mary wrote: "I was just happy to finish this book. I've read the Booker Short List this year and Milkman was not my pick. I guess I see why it won: Norn Iron, the Troubles, women, kind of experimental style. Bu..."

I know what you mean, Mary: I read the longlist (except Rooney) and apart from Snap, this was the book I struggled with most (although for completely different reasons). I see Milkman's literary merit and why Burns chose to write like that, but I can't say that I had fun reading it! :-)


message 48: by aidan (new)

aidan I decided to check the reviews of this book as I’m laboring through it. Perfect review. Wish I never started!


Meike aidan wrote: "I decided to check the reviews of this book as I’m laboring through it. Perfect review. Wish I never started!"

Thank you Aidan! I hope you'll feel like me once you finish: Like you, I didn't enjoy reading it all, but I somehow felt like it was a good experience to dive into it anyway. I have to admit that I wouldn't read any more Anna Burns though! :-)


Marie-Therese I'm stuck at about 70% through this book and just finding it such a slog. Your review makes me feel like I'm not the only one. While there is much here that's admirable, too much is repetitive, poorly managed, and sometimes implausible. I think this might have worked better at a shorter length or with a more truly absurdist/satirical bent; as is, it's just deeply tiresome.


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