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Stoner
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I re-read Stoner and here are some of my impressions the second time around.
Much of the book is telling not showing. In the first 20% of the book Stoner hardly says anything but "yes, sir" and "no, sir." Instead the reader gets this extended background article on Stoner, like a long CV. The author also inserts history excerpts here and there, for example about the stoicism of the Romans, that sound as if they're text grabs from Wikipedia.
Here's a sample of a Stoner interaction....
"William Stoner realized that for several moments he had been holding his breath. He expelled it gently, minutely aware of his clothing moving upon his body as his breath went out of his lungs. . . . Light slanted from the windows and settled upon the faces of his fellow students, so that the illumination seemed to come from within them and go out against a dimness; a student blinked, and a thin shadow fell upon a cheek whose down had caught the sunlight. Stoner became aware that his fingers were unclenching their hard grip on his desk-top. He turned his hands about under his gaze, marveling at their brownness, at the intricate way the nails fit into his blunt finger-ends; he thought he could feel the blood flowing invisibly through the tiny veins and arteries, throbbing delicately and precariously from his fingertips through his body.
Sloane was speaking again. “What does he say to you, Mr. Stoner? What does his sonnet mean?�
Stoner’s eyes lifted slowly and reluctantly. “It means,� he said, and with a small movement raised his hands up toward the air; he felt his eyes glaze over as they sought the figure of Archer Sloane. “It means,� he said again, and could not finish what he had begun to say."
This moment is the closest Stoner ever comes to literary criticism in the entire book; not only does he not say anything about the sonnet, he isn’t even thinking about it.
I also find the author's descriptive style very cliched, the "cracked hands" of his father farmer and so on. There are whole passages like this I could paste in.
At one point, one of Stoner's colleagues goes into a rant about how no one in the cruel world cares about literature and so they are all martyrs to a beautiful cause that is doomed to failure. This gives the sense that bibliophiles are somehow a misunderstood minority. I don't feel that way, but perhaps some readers do. And I do think the author expected readers to sympathize with Stoner, no matter his faults and some of his bad behavior.
Meanwhile, attempts to compare the writing in this book to Nabokov or Proust don't work, IMHO.
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Astute review of Stoner that goes into more detail...
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Another interesting review....
"Williams’s cultural revival has coincided, not surprisingly, with the demand that art be relatable, allowing the audience to easily fit themselves in. But to be relatable, art must also be incurious, not really interested in the mechanisms of why people are what they are, the texture of their lives, or the objects around them. To be interested in these things is to generate friction between the reader and the text, or at least to elude easy points of identification."
This is the opposite of Proust, who is intensely interested in and perceptive of the world around him, the people he encounters, the beauty of the arts. Life is endlessly fascinating. All described in beautiful prose.
Much of the book is telling not showing. In the first 20% of the book Stoner hardly says anything but "yes, sir" and "no, sir." Instead the reader gets this extended background article on Stoner, like a long CV. The author also inserts history excerpts here and there, for example about the stoicism of the Romans, that sound as if they're text grabs from Wikipedia.
Here's a sample of a Stoner interaction....
"William Stoner realized that for several moments he had been holding his breath. He expelled it gently, minutely aware of his clothing moving upon his body as his breath went out of his lungs. . . . Light slanted from the windows and settled upon the faces of his fellow students, so that the illumination seemed to come from within them and go out against a dimness; a student blinked, and a thin shadow fell upon a cheek whose down had caught the sunlight. Stoner became aware that his fingers were unclenching their hard grip on his desk-top. He turned his hands about under his gaze, marveling at their brownness, at the intricate way the nails fit into his blunt finger-ends; he thought he could feel the blood flowing invisibly through the tiny veins and arteries, throbbing delicately and precariously from his fingertips through his body.
Sloane was speaking again. “What does he say to you, Mr. Stoner? What does his sonnet mean?�
Stoner’s eyes lifted slowly and reluctantly. “It means,� he said, and with a small movement raised his hands up toward the air; he felt his eyes glaze over as they sought the figure of Archer Sloane. “It means,� he said again, and could not finish what he had begun to say."
This moment is the closest Stoner ever comes to literary criticism in the entire book; not only does he not say anything about the sonnet, he isn’t even thinking about it.
I also find the author's descriptive style very cliched, the "cracked hands" of his father farmer and so on. There are whole passages like this I could paste in.
At one point, one of Stoner's colleagues goes into a rant about how no one in the cruel world cares about literature and so they are all martyrs to a beautiful cause that is doomed to failure. This gives the sense that bibliophiles are somehow a misunderstood minority. I don't feel that way, but perhaps some readers do. And I do think the author expected readers to sympathize with Stoner, no matter his faults and some of his bad behavior.
Meanwhile, attempts to compare the writing in this book to Nabokov or Proust don't work, IMHO.
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Astute review of Stoner that goes into more detail...
/review/show...
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Another interesting review....
"Williams’s cultural revival has coincided, not surprisingly, with the demand that art be relatable, allowing the audience to easily fit themselves in. But to be relatable, art must also be incurious, not really interested in the mechanisms of why people are what they are, the texture of their lives, or the objects around them. To be interested in these things is to generate friction between the reader and the text, or at least to elude easy points of identification."
This is the opposite of Proust, who is intensely interested in and perceptive of the world around him, the people he encounters, the beauty of the arts. Life is endlessly fascinating. All described in beautiful prose.
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And yes, white male authors are lauded far more than ones by women and people of colour, but I don't think that's a reason to criticise an individual book by a white man.
2. bookandfilmglobe.com: I think she's right about why those who love and admire the book do so.
3. thebaffler.com: I've read all Williams novels, including the disowned early one which this article focuses on, but I don't think they're all misogynistic, even if the characters often are.
I note that none of the articles mention Augustus, which I think is his best book, and shows deep and gentle understanding of women - in a very misogynistic and hierarchical society.
Anyway, thanks for an interesting read.

My critique above is about Stoner. Perhaps before #MeToo some of these actions were shrugged off, but as modern readers we are right to take issue with violence against women, which is what happens in Stoner. Also, the depiction of Edith as a shrew. It is misogynistic.
I know my share of oft-divorced men and they always blame the wives when I know full well it was their irresponsibility and sometimes physical abuse that ended the marriages. (Not to mention cheating on them).

I think it's important to distinguish between bad views, actions, and inactions portrayed in a book, and whether the book itself should be dismissed as condoning those views and acts. (I realise you know the difference, but I'm not sure all the critics make that clear.)

But I confess I suspect my gender when it comes to this book. From the reviews of Stoner I've read on GR, I see a heavy identification of male readers with the main character. I'm not saying all of these reviewers are misogynist, per se, but perhaps too ready to ignore this fault of the main character.
Have you read "Catch and Kill"? This problem runs very deep. It's not something that conveniently divides on party lines, but is connected with men in power who wield it to assault women and destroy their careers if they don't succumb.

Weinstein is going to trial. Rape is not about sex, but about power and abuse. His rap sheet is indeed very long.


Reading the quote you included reminded me that Williams writes well but I agree with you that the scene underlines one of the odd aspects of this book: the character who switched to studying literature as a result of hearing that sonnet but whose narrative from then on doesn't carry any literary resonances.
I quite liked the character Stoner though—in spite of the poor choices he made again and again. What bothered me was the way the author set up the story, not only the lack of literary resonances but the parade of 'evil' (and not very credible) enemies he threw at Stoner, beginning with Edith. And then those poor choices he had Stoner make. It's ok to have a character make poor choices but if you set up your character to be a hero, then you need to allow him to make choices fitting his status. So it was John Williams who got on my wrong side me not William Stoner.
I read Augustus later, and you're right, Cecily, it's a much better book. Apologies, Cecily, if you get a notification for this thread, for having to hear me rant about this book all over again;-)

This review from almost a year ago seems only to have showed up again because of a minor edit I did, i.e. removing a dead link.
I think we share the same fundamental point that identifying with the character is the key. There's a subjective element here and I have no intention of trying to project my feelings on to anyone else. This is one reason I opted not to do a star rating on this one.
I did find the linked articles rather interesting.


As a working writer, I am every sensitive to style. It does not have to be literary genius but if the style gets in the way or seems to be off-key it's off-putting. A good test is to read it aloud and see how it sounds. I did that with my wife per Stoner and she agreed it was awkward.
The other thing is identifying with a character, Although I am perfectly content to spend time alone, say reading or writing, I'm not an introvert or a loner.

I don't think it's right to judge books' morale from the height of modern times. A reader who picks up 'Stoner' would not consider it an example to follow in personal relations.

Right now I am reading Proust. Now there's a great stylist.

Anyway, I am not arguing :) I'll put my thoughts together after finishing the book

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Look forward to your review.

I did not make that connection nor was I particularly impressed with the writing. I'm an obvious outlier in this.
I mentioned Proust. He is a very complex, interesting person who writes beautifully and is an astute observer and judge of people. There's far more depth for me in his In Search of Lost Time than in a book like Stoner. It's the kind of fiction I prefer.

Anyone who blocks you because they don't like your opinion is not worth having as a friend anyway. That said, I see it's on my TBR list, and most of my friends seemed to like it a lot, even the females that are somewhat sensitive about female issues. I may have to read it and decide for myself - what a concept.

What I noticed in re-reading the positive reviews of my connections is that the story emotionally resonated with them. It touched a chord. Some even cried.
What can get tricky in these situations is that when folks are enamored with a certain book they can take it personally if you don't agree. I simply posted my review in Jan 20 and left it at that. I did not make comments on the reviews of others.
But, if I had to bet, I'd guess you would probably like the book, but for your own reasons.

I love Proust, but many on GR have not got very far with him. I don't fault them for that. It's their choice.


And thanks for the link:-)


Did you have a chance to read Fionnuala's review? (I included it as part of my review, but I realize that some people don't have time to click links). I'm not trying to persuade you of anything, just sharing a perspective that resonated with me. Best.
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At the time Bezos purchased GR it was part of his strategy to capture significant marketshare on books. He has long since moved on to other interests. But I think GR has suffered from lack of maintenance and upgrades as a result. (I do not include their new review interface, which is very clunky)


This is the problem with some of these tycoons, they do things half-assed and move on.




I appreciate very much that you point people to my review of this book, Michael, and Ms.pegasus, I'm impressed that you followed the link. In turn, I clicked on the 'rated it' link beside your name and read your own review. I think it may be the most considered of the positive reviews of this book I've read. Not overly effusive like many, just awake to the good moments in the story.
