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Revelation by Flannery O'Connor
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A week ago, all I knew of O’Connor was her name and that she’d written A Good Man is Hard to Find (see my review HERE). I didn’t care for the horror or religiosity of that, and given that this is named after the final book of the Bible, expected more of the same. As with A Good Man, this starts with satire around a judgemental and hypocritical southern matriarch and ends with religious introspection, but it was somewhat dialled down in comparison, and all the better for it, imo.

Intersection of class and race

Intersectionality is a fairly new term, but that's what O'Connor explored in 1964.

A doctor's waiting room is an excellent location for a short story: a confined and neutral space for a range of strangers to meet, with nervous tension, and for conversation to start and be cut short as people come and go. They all seem to be white, apart from an errand boy, bringing drinks. The N-word is used a lot and quoted below.

Mrs Turpin is a moderately well-to-do farmer’s wife. She’s 47 and they seem to be childless. She is obsessed with social class - more than race - but as a good Christian lady, she counts her blessings (specifically, that she was not born black, white-trash, or ugly) and proudly does good deeds:
To help anybody out that needed it was her philosophy of life. She never spared herself when she found somebody in need, whether they were white or black, trash or decent.

She mentally categorises everyone in the waiting room, and has particular disdain for an old woman and child who were �kind of vacant and white-trashy� and notes the woman’s cotton print dress matches the sacks of chicken feed they have on the farm. She thinks such people �Worse than niggers any day�, so probably considers herself enlightened, rather than racially prejudiced.

To the background of gospel music on the radio, someone else suggests sending all the black people “back� to Africa. Mrs Turpin disagrees:
There's a heap of things worse than a nigger... It's all kinds of them just like it's all kinds of us.

I know people like Mrs Turpin. They’re mostly elderly, snobbish, and always polite to people of colour (albeit excessively, patronisingly so). They may even befriend one or two families, and thus believe they are not prejudiced. But they still make derogatory generalisations and would be horrified if their own child or grandchild were to date, let alone marry, a person of colour - or someone poor and trashy. Poverty (white-trash) is deemed more of a choice, and more worthy of contempt, than being black, therefore, they don't see themselves as un-Christian or prejudiced.

Back to the Bible

The first part of the story was a thought-provoking and well-written exposé of pride, hypocrisy, and self-delusion. It was funny and sometimes shocking.

Then something dramatic happens, which Mrs Turpin interprets as a religious revelation. Back home, that spurs her to talking to the farm hands (cotton pickers are hard to find and retain) and then to God, when she's in the Pig Parlor (pigs are unclean in the Old Testament, but not the New). There’s a serpent (kind of), a vision, and maybe a secondary revelation. Meh.


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Quotes

� “The table was cluttered with limp-looking magazines and at one end of it there was a big green glass ashtray full of cigarette butts and cotton wads with little blood spots on them.� [A doctor’s waiting room!]

� “On the bottom of the heap were most colored people, not the kind she would have been if she had been one, but most of them; then next to them -- not above, just away from -- were the white-trash; then above them were the home-owners, and above them the home-and-land owners, to which she and Claud belonged, Above she and Claud were people with a lot of money and much bigger houses and much more land. But here the complexity of it would begin to bear in on her, for some of the people with a lot of money were common and ought to be below she and Claud and some of the people who had good blood had lost their money and had to rent and then there some colored people who owned their homes and land as well�
Usually by the time she had fallen asleep all the classes of people were moiling and roiling around in her head, and she would dream they were all crammed in together in a box car, being ridden off to be put in a gas oven.�

� “It was not just that they didn't have anything. Because if you gave them everything, in two weeks it would all be broken or filthy or they would have chopped it up for lightwood. She knew all this from her own experience. Help them you must, but help them you couldn't.� [white trash, not black people]

Postscript - my (incomplete) revelation

After I wrote the review above, a link to a New Yorker article, , was shared in the short story group. Because I'd read this story as a strong denouncement of prejudice and hypocrisy of all kinds, including racism, I assumed the article would either conclude “not very�, or over-apply modern sensibilities. That was not the case.

You could perhaps ignore personal letters, written when she was very young, but I think this is hard to defend:
On May 3, 1964—as Richard Russell, Democrat of Georgia, led a filibuster in the Senate to block the Civil Rights Act—O’Connor set out her position in a passage now published for the first time: “You know, I’m an integrationist by principle & a segregationist by taste anyway. I don’t like negroes. They all give me a pain and the more of them I see, the less and less I like them. Particularly the new kind.� Two weeks after that, she told Lee of her aversion to the “philosophizing prophesying pontificating kind.� Ravaged by lupus, she wrote Lee a note to say that she was checking in to the hospital, signing it “Mrs. Turpin.� She died at home ten weeks later

So much for my assuming she hated Mrs Turpin: she identified AS her. You could say she was joking, but that's the usual defence of those called out for racist, misogynistic, gaslighting behaviour.

I'm left confused about the story and O'Connor's motive and message:
� Is she really calling out prejudice, as I first assumed?
� Is it all a confection, more in tune with the social satire at the start?
� Or is it confession of and penance for her own flaws?

Short story club

I read this as one of the stories in The Art of the Short Story, by Dana Gioia, from which I'm aiming to read one story a week with The Short Story Club, starting 2 May 2022.

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message 1: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo I had a bff who married a black guy and still talked about other blacks as 'those people'. Of course she was nice (as you say, patronisingly so) to their faces.


Phrodrick slowed his growing backlog If you ponder these kinds of prejudices long enough, and maybe a little face time with your own ( I have mine too) you find that -
If it is a matter of culture, education, influence or IDNK
Among blacks there is the so called paperbag divide. If you are black, but no darker than a paper bag , which ever side of the shade you are on there is the "Other"
Among the religious, there are those within your religion and the other , and those not of your faith who are the other
In the US
north versus south
Calif versus the south
and so forth.

Maybe the universality of Ms Turpin is that any of us might have complex systems of rating people, so complex as to give us nightmares, or to give us rational to revert to holocaust .

Gotta love a review were the book and the review gives readers cause to think.


Cecily Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "I had a bff who married a black guy and still talked about other blacks as 'those people'. Of course she was nice (as you say, patronisingly so) to their faces."

That's even worse. I wonder if her husband ever heard her talk like that, and also, if they had children, how she felt about them.


Cecily Phrodrick wrote: "... Among blacks there is the so called paperbag divide. If you are black, but no darker than a paper bag , which ever side of the shade you are on there is the "Other"
Among the religious, there are those within your religion and the other...."


I hadn't heard of the paperback divide. We all subconsciously label people we meet as like us and unlike us, on various axes, and often based on guesses about their age, race, nationality or region, gender, education, and wealth etc. I think it's impossible not to. It's only a problem when we treat out-group people less well purely because of those presumptions and generalisations.

Phrodrick wrote: "... Gotta love a review were the book and the review gives readers cause to think."

Some stories make it easy, but thank you, Phrodrick.


message 5: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo Cecily wrote: "That's even worse. I wonder if her husband ever heard her talk like that, and also, if they had children, how she felt about them..."

He knew. It was a second marriage for both of them. His first marriage was also to a white English woman (who is lovely) and his second wife had twins from her first marriage in the UK, so they didn't have any of their own. She was really unpleasant about his children and would talk about them and to them quite horribly. Jealousy not racism, but expressed racially. After his tragic death she fought the children for control over their hotel, and lost. They have run it very well but are not on good terms with her, she held on to the gift shop.


message 6: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo Phrodrick wrote: "Among blacks there is the so called paperbag divide. If you are black, but no darker than a paper bag , which ever side of the shade you are on there is the "Other"..."

That's a very old-fashioned attitude that can still be found in books about Blacks and their preference for fair skin possibly written by whites. There is no divide and most families have a variety of shades. Mine go from one of my son's who is white, one is what we call red (lightish), one who is brown to my late MiL who was, as we call it, dusky black.


message 7: by Phrodrick slowed his growing backlog (last edited Apr 02, 2023 03:15PM) (new) - added it

Phrodrick slowed his growing backlog Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "Phrodrick wrote: "Among blacks there is the so called paperbag divide. If you are black, but no darker than a paper bag , which ever side of the shade you are on there is the "Other"..."

That's a ..."


From I have seen the paperbag test has been replaced by an equally arbitrary challenge among the Black community over who is 'Black Enough". In New Orleans, where I first ran into the black community to say of a paper bag not that dark, that New Orleans had a white, black mayor. I have read similar statements about the Vice President. The assumption that it had to have originated in the white population is tenable. If only that were the only dividing line among America's Blacks.

My larger point is that there are arbitrary lines drawn in all manner of people and populations. Including me and mine.

Two other thoughts-
It has been observed that some babies immediately cry in the presences of strangers, other smile and if old enough will toddle towards them. How much of this is learned (sensed) or innate, I have no idea.

It is also taught that among the original humans, the most important thing to do was to establish if a stranger was friend, and likely to share things like food, or an enemy and like to take yours, or kill you.
The archeology suggests that the rate of human dying by violent means (battle or murder) was higher then.


message 8: by Cecily (last edited Apr 02, 2023 02:35PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "That's a very old-fashioned attitude that can still be found in books about Blacks and their preference for fair skin possibly written by whites...."

I realise that's the case on your island, but is that true elsewhere? If so, does that mean the concerns about skin-whitening creams overblown?


Cecily Phrodrick wrote: "... I have seen the paperbag test has been replaced by an equally arbitrary challenge among the Black community over who is 'Black Enough"...."

I guess that's where insults like "coconut" fit in.


message 10: by Petra in Tokyo (last edited Apr 02, 2023 10:33PM) (new)

Petra in Tokyo Cecily wrote: "I realise that's the case on your island, but is that true elsewhere? If so, does that mean the concerns about skin-whitening creams overblown?..."

It's true of the entire Caribbean with the exception of Jamaica where social class is associated with colour. This is a much bigger island with a huge population compared to all of the Greater and Lesser Antilles and Windwards which are the islands I know best. The Lebanese are part of the top, because they are extremely wealthy, see Lady Colin Campbell. The lighter skinned people are very often descended from house slaves, black women raped by the white slavers, the blacker ones from field slaves and were the ones who got the land after slavery (well some of them).
An ex bf of mine is a very black Jamaican KC, his family are well-off landowners and professionals and being dark was no barrier to anything. So although it looks like it is divided on colour lines, it's more on money!

The skin lightening is not the same thing. This is associated with beauty not with class or money. However it isn't entirely to be lighter as much as brighter, in the same way blonde hair is brighter than brown. The drugs are more dangerous than hairdye but from the same psychological source as whites bleaching their hair blonde. But lighter skin doesn't trump more beautiful features with darker skin.It only results in very slightly fairer or brighter skin anyway.

The skin creams sold here are 2% hydroquinone, dermatologists will use 10% together with several other drugs - compounding pharmacist only. Hydroquinone works best on fair skin, doesn't do much for very dark skin. Additionally it tends to lighten darker marks to the base level skin, and a lot of lighter black skin has marks. It fades my freckles without lightening my base light skin!

In Mexico 4% hydroquinoine is available over the counter. I did not see more than a dozen blacks, all American tourists in my last four visits to Cancun (I am not in the the tourist area), so it is the Mexicans using it to lighten their skin. I have no idea of their class, social or beauty ideals.

Sorry for going on so long and probably a lot of typos, I'm actually at a meeting with very loud music going on (and bored so I'm on GR).


message 11: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo Cecily wrote: "I guess that's where insults like I guess that's where insults like "coconut" fit in. ..."

Coconut and oreo are judgements of behaviour. But yes, 'black enough' does come into it from pretty extreme racists. I'm not going into it here but you know what I'm referring to Cecily.


message 12: by Cecily (last edited Apr 03, 2023 01:22AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "It's true of the entire Caribbean with the exception of Jamaica where social class is associated with colour....
although it looks like it is divided on colour lines, it's more on money!..."


Thanks for that info, which fits well with this story.

Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "... The skin lightening is not the same thing. This is associated with beauty not with class or money...."

Ah, makes sense, although I would add that beauty is often perceived to correlate somewhat with wealth and class.

Then there are books like Nella Larsen's Passing and Brit Bennet's The Vanishing Half, which deal with colourism in black communities. However, in both, the desire to be light-skinned enough to pass is a symptom of societal prejudice because they assume a white life will be a better and easier life (but also a betrayal).


message 13: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo Cecily wrote: "Then there are books like Nella Larsen's Passing and Brit Bennet's The Vanishing Half, which deal with colourism in black communities. However, in both, the desire to be light-skinned enough to pass is a symptom of societal prejudice because they assume a white life will be a better and easier life (but also a betrayal).."

It's not the same thing. Those are two American authors. The dominant class in the US is White, blacks are treated, overall quite badly and cut off from the best housing, jobs, everything. In every American city, except one, I have been to, the security and janitorial jobs are held by blacks and the majority of managerial jobs by whites. Why wouldn't they want to be light-skinned and pass and get access to all that Whites by and large keep for themselves? New Orleans seemed to be an exception for the short time I was there, and I felt much more at home in it.

But the Caribbean is Black. And many of the islands are well-off, Blacks run things and there is no homelessness (except among the mentally-disturbed who have homes and families to go to), no people running around with guns shooting Blacks, why would they want to 'pass' as White?


message 14: by Cecily (last edited Apr 03, 2023 06:03AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "... It's not the same thing. Those are two American authors. The dominant class in the US is White..."

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I know they're both American authors, hence I was talking about America (and maybe other predominantly white countries), where the presumption that a white life would be easier makes sense. I realise it's very different in the Caribbean and other Black majority regions.


message 15: by Petra in Tokyo (new)

Petra in Tokyo Cecily wrote: "beauty is often perceived to correlate somewhat with wealth and class...."

Really? The Kardashians, especially Kim, are considered beautiful but class is not a word that most people would associate with them. I googled who is the most beautiful woman in America and got Cameron Diaz who comes from a relatively underprivileged background. In the UK, Naomi Campbell comes from a middle class background and is quite dark-skinned, same - beautiful, no class, made money from her beauty. The association with wealth and class if there is one, is after they have made money from their beauty.


message 16: by Cecily (last edited Apr 03, 2023 06:23AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Petra X is stressed over a misbehaving laptop wrote: "... The Kardashians, especially Kim, are considered beautiful but class is not a word that most people..."

You need wealth to pay for repeated surgery and expensive cosmetics, as well as time. Long nails don't go well with housework, so having staff is helpful. Conversely, if you're working long hours in a manual job for minimum wage, it's hard for even natural beauty to shine through.

In terms of "class", I was thinking more historically: beauty standards, like fashion, tended to correlate with how the upper classes looked, and they had time and staff in stately homes.

I think Naomi Campbell is far more beautiful than any Kardashians I've seen, but she was unusual in being a black supermodel. I think there is more diversity nowadays, but fashion, celebs, and models are really not my thing!


message 17: by Paulo (new)

Paulo You need wealth to pay for repeated surgery and expensive cosmetics, as well as time. Long nails don't go well with housework,

I agree with you Cecily!
When I was living in Brazil in the 80s, at Uni among my friends and relations there was a girl with uncommon beauty compared with what we can call the average beauty pattern. At some point, she starts modelling and when we saw her first photos on magazine pages we barely could recognize her. We learned later that before she started her "career" her parents, a very wealthy people, invested a fair amount of money in "social and intellectual training" and beauty treatments. On the other hand, another girl from our group who looked much more beautiful (at least for me) but who came from a very modest background never had any chance to follow the same path, and I know that she tried.
So overall I agree with you: historically: beauty standards, like fashion, tended to correlate with how the upper classes looked


Cecily Paulo wrote: "... invested a fair amount of money in "social and intellectual training" and beauty treatments. On the other hand, another girl from our group who looked much more beautiful (at least for me) but who came from a very modest background never had any chance to follow the same path, and I know that she tried...."

Although I'm sure she was disappointed at the time, perhaps the other young woman ended up with a happier life. I certainly hope so.


message 19: by Paulo (new)

Paulo Cecily wrote: "perhaps the other young woman ended up with a happier life. I certainly hope so."

I hope so too...since a little later I left to come back to Europe I lost contact with both, so I can't say.


message 20: by Michael (new)

Michael Perkins I've read most of O'Connor, including her acerbic letters, "The Habit of Being" I found this article pretty interesting.

(The pub may grant short term access to read).

June 22, 2020 Issue
The New Yorker


message 21: by Michael (new)

Michael Perkins She's very blunt about her views on race.


message 22: by Cecily (last edited Apr 10, 2023 02:26AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Michael wrote: "I've read most of O'Connor, including her acerbic letters, "The Habit of Being" I found this article pretty interesting....
She's very blunt about her views on race."


The article was shared and discussed in the group, after I'd written this review. It left me very confused.

I've now added a postscript to my review, including a clickable link to the New Yorker piece. Thanks, Michael.


message 23: by Lyn (new)

Lyn Elliott I’d leave the original review, Cecily, as it’s very interesting to read it, the ensuing discussion and now your latest post which opens up a whole new perspective.


message 24: by Cecily (last edited Apr 10, 2023 02:26AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cecily Lyn wrote: "I’d leave the original review, Cecily, as it’s very interesting to read it, the ensuing discussion and now your latest post which opens up a whole new perspective."

I added a postscript, with a clickable link, rather than a rewrite. Thanks, Lyn.


message 25: by Traveller (new)

Traveller Excellent analysis of Mrs Turpin, Cecily! Indeed, she seems to think that because she despises "white trash" more than she despises people of color, that makes her a saint. 🤦‍♀�


Cecily Traveller wrote: "Excellent analysis of Mrs Turpin, Cecily! Indeed, she seems to think that because she despises "white trash" more than she despises people of color, that makes her a saint. 🤦‍♀�"

And I know people who think like that! I expect you may, too. Thanks, Traveller.


message 27: by Hayley (new)

Hayley Cecily, hi! Long time reader, first time commenter 😆 I just wanted to say I so enjoy reading your reviews and analysis. I read your reviews even if it’s very unlikely I’ll ever read the book itself. You always pique my interest and write so well.

So, thank you!


Cecily Hayley wrote: "Cecily, hi! Long time reader, first time commenter 😆 I just wanted to say I so enjoy reading your reviews and analysis. I read your reviews even if it’s very unlikely I’ll ever read the book..."

Hi, Hayley. Thanks for stopping by and commenting, especially with such generous words. With short stories like these, it's easier to try them, should I tempt you - especially when I include a link. But no pressure; reading should be a joy, not a duty or a competition.


message 29: by Hayley (new)

Hayley I agree. Based on your review, I downloaded Bartleby, The Scrivener, from Gutenberg. I would never have come across it otherwise, and I thought it was disturbing and brilliant.

All the best!


message 30: by Margitte (new) - added it

Margitte Excellent review! You asked the right question. A joy to read indeed.


Cecily Margitte wrote: "Excellent review! You asked the right question. A joy to read indeed."

Thank you. The story seems to pose one set of questions, and then others came after.


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