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East of Eden
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Although I do like Steinbeck’s strong, simple style of writing, this book let me down. With this book Steinbeck is delivering a message to his readers. I do agree with the message imparted, but I dislike that it is pounded into us. It isn’t enough to draw the story of Cain and Abel in one generation of a family, but Steinbeck repeats the story in the next generation of the family too. The message becomes a rant. God blessed Cain with freewill. That is the message, and it is up to us to choose what we will do with our lives. Will we succumb to evil or will we fight? The choice is up to us. Some of the characters will take up the challenge and others will not.
For me the story is too simplified. Look at the names: Charles and Cathy and Cal and Cain, all with the beginning letter C! Then there is Adam and Aron and Abra and of course Abel.
The book is a mix of fact and fiction. Steinbeck records the life of his own family, the Hamiltons, one of the two families portrayed in the novel. The other family, the Trasks, is fictional. The book has a slow start since one family is based in Connecticut; that is the Trasks. Steinbeck’s own family begins in the Salinas Valley of California. Slowly you learn about both; it takes a while to get all gathered in California where the action gets going. It is also a retelling of the story of Cain and Abel in Genesis.
Feminists may criticize Steinbeck for making Cathy, a woman, into a devil. A little search into Steinbeck’s own life quickly shows that Cathy is modeled on his second wife, Gwyn Conger. Authors do write from their own experiences. I do not make this criticism; I believe authors� best writing reflect their own life experiences. My complaint is the over simplification of the devil in Cathy; this turns it almost into a horror story. Maybe you enjoy horror stories!
Furthermore let it be said that those readers who are not drawn to character analysis and philosophizing should not choose this book. Here is a sample of Steinbeck’s way of writing, how he draws his characters and how he philosophizes:
Jo Valery got along by watching and listening and, as he said himself, not sticking his neck out. He had built his hatreds little by little, beginning with a mother who neglected him, a father who alternately whipped and slobbered over him, and it had been easy to transfer his developing hatred to a teacher who disciplined him and the policeman who chased him and the preacher who lectured him. Even before the first magistrate looked down on him, Jo had developed a fine staple of hates toward the whole world he knew. Hate didn’t live alone. It must have love as a trigger, a goad or a stimulant. Jo early developed a gently protective love for Jo. He comforted and flattered and cherished Jo. He set up walls to save Jo from a hostile world, and gradually Jo became proof against wrong. If Jo got into trouble it was because the world was an angry conspiracy against him, and if Jo attacked the world it was revenge and they darn well deserved it the sons of bitches. (Chapter 45)
Steinbeck spends many lines on what makes people behave as they do, how love and hate are tied together, one egging on the other! He gives us evil characters, good character and others that are more human, those like most of us who are a mixture of good and bad attributes.
Few authors are able to write masterpiece after masterpiece. I am giving this book two stars because there are interesting ideas and some tremendous lines, but the message is oversimplified and hammered into us. I still like Steinbeck. I gave The Grapes of Wrath five stars. I have chosen to immediately follow this book with Travels with Charley: In Search of America , now I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t appreciate Steinbeck’s writing, would I?! Actions say much more than words. Already I have begun listening to it and feel that this is going to please me much more. It too is a mixture of fact and fiction, but here the ideas presented are an elderly man’s thoughts and queries rather than a rant. And there is a dog! I like books with dogs. Charley is a French Poodle, kind of similar in appearance to Oscar sitting here with me on my avatar. Oscar is no Poodle, though most think he is either a poodle-mix or a sheep; he is a Curly Coated Retriever!
It is very important to pay attention to chapter 24. It sums up the whole book and is found less than half way through to the end. At the book’s conclusion someone dies with the Hebrew word “timshel� on his lips. You have to know what that word means. For those who need some help, here is a link: , that explains what this means and how it is important in the book. Reading this link is a bit of a spoiler, so I am giving you warning.
Finally, I listened to the audiobook narrated by Richard Poe. The narration was excellent. I have no complaints whatsoever. This audiobook was not available to me at Audible, since I live in Belgium, but it was available to me from Downpour
For me the story is too simplified. Look at the names: Charles and Cathy and Cal and Cain, all with the beginning letter C! Then there is Adam and Aron and Abra and of course Abel.
The book is a mix of fact and fiction. Steinbeck records the life of his own family, the Hamiltons, one of the two families portrayed in the novel. The other family, the Trasks, is fictional. The book has a slow start since one family is based in Connecticut; that is the Trasks. Steinbeck’s own family begins in the Salinas Valley of California. Slowly you learn about both; it takes a while to get all gathered in California where the action gets going. It is also a retelling of the story of Cain and Abel in Genesis.
Feminists may criticize Steinbeck for making Cathy, a woman, into a devil. A little search into Steinbeck’s own life quickly shows that Cathy is modeled on his second wife, Gwyn Conger. Authors do write from their own experiences. I do not make this criticism; I believe authors� best writing reflect their own life experiences. My complaint is the over simplification of the devil in Cathy; this turns it almost into a horror story. Maybe you enjoy horror stories!
Furthermore let it be said that those readers who are not drawn to character analysis and philosophizing should not choose this book. Here is a sample of Steinbeck’s way of writing, how he draws his characters and how he philosophizes:
Jo Valery got along by watching and listening and, as he said himself, not sticking his neck out. He had built his hatreds little by little, beginning with a mother who neglected him, a father who alternately whipped and slobbered over him, and it had been easy to transfer his developing hatred to a teacher who disciplined him and the policeman who chased him and the preacher who lectured him. Even before the first magistrate looked down on him, Jo had developed a fine staple of hates toward the whole world he knew. Hate didn’t live alone. It must have love as a trigger, a goad or a stimulant. Jo early developed a gently protective love for Jo. He comforted and flattered and cherished Jo. He set up walls to save Jo from a hostile world, and gradually Jo became proof against wrong. If Jo got into trouble it was because the world was an angry conspiracy against him, and if Jo attacked the world it was revenge and they darn well deserved it the sons of bitches. (Chapter 45)
Steinbeck spends many lines on what makes people behave as they do, how love and hate are tied together, one egging on the other! He gives us evil characters, good character and others that are more human, those like most of us who are a mixture of good and bad attributes.
Few authors are able to write masterpiece after masterpiece. I am giving this book two stars because there are interesting ideas and some tremendous lines, but the message is oversimplified and hammered into us. I still like Steinbeck. I gave The Grapes of Wrath five stars. I have chosen to immediately follow this book with Travels with Charley: In Search of America , now I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t appreciate Steinbeck’s writing, would I?! Actions say much more than words. Already I have begun listening to it and feel that this is going to please me much more. It too is a mixture of fact and fiction, but here the ideas presented are an elderly man’s thoughts and queries rather than a rant. And there is a dog! I like books with dogs. Charley is a French Poodle, kind of similar in appearance to Oscar sitting here with me on my avatar. Oscar is no Poodle, though most think he is either a poodle-mix or a sheep; he is a Curly Coated Retriever!
It is very important to pay attention to chapter 24. It sums up the whole book and is found less than half way through to the end. At the book’s conclusion someone dies with the Hebrew word “timshel� on his lips. You have to know what that word means. For those who need some help, here is a link: , that explains what this means and how it is important in the book. Reading this link is a bit of a spoiler, so I am giving you warning.
Finally, I listened to the audiobook narrated by Richard Poe. The narration was excellent. I have no complaints whatsoever. This audiobook was not available to me at Audible, since I live in Belgium, but it was available to me from Downpour
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They also have The Book of Night Women which is not available from Audible, for me here in Belgium. I have heard that the narration by Robin Miles is fantastic. I will pick that up next month when I get a credit.
Abigail we are reading this at the same time!!!! I have listened to only two chapters, but it is definitely good. Samuel and Liza seem so different to be married to each other. Don't you think? Adam Trask's father, Cyrus, has a knack for making stories out of nothing. Now he is a military adviser! I think I will like Samuel.


First I was confused! Who is Catherine? She has just switched names from Cathy Ames to Catherine Amesbury, after her last evil deed. Or are her names spelled with a K instead?
I kind of miss the switch from the Trask family to the Edwards / Ames focus. I am trying to understand Charles' love for a father who never loved him, and his subsequent need to see his father as a hero. Adam is so much more clear-sighted. He is much easier for me to understand.
I most like learning about the Hamiltons. I am one who likes non-fiction over fiction. This switch to Cathy/Catherine has not drawn me in yet. I feel nothing for her. Not yet at least.
Ditto! Tel me you thoughts please. And I hope you write a review.
I liked that "Grapes of Wrat"h was about a real historical time. I loved the short chapters about "history". I miss those......

I feel that Steinbeck does a better job with the Hamiltons than the other characters. Samuel, I liked immediately; Liza grows on you too. I like how in her older age, she, who never allowed liquor, drank whiskey as medicine. It was OK if it is served on a teaspoon, even if the total quantity became substantial. :0) Made me laugh.
I also have trouble with Adam. As a child he was very perceptive; he understood the true nature of his father instinctively, but now as an adult he seems terribly thick-headed. Another "fictional" character. He just doesn't ring true. Usually you are or are not perceptive! A possible explanation is his being blown over by love?

I have trouble with the switch from Adam being a perceptive person into one who is totally blind. The extremes are too large. Yeah, it is possible that one might go overboard when finally presented with that which was before totally lacking. A person might do this, but somehow it does not ring true for me.


Your analysis about how Steinbeck wants to state that people have a choice in choosing between evil and goodness seems very possible. I will have to see how this develops. I appreciate what you are saying. Good point!
So you have read this before? Don't you remember stuff right before something happens? That is what usually happens to me, with a reread.



I finished chapter 21. I cannot stop listening now. What I thought would happen, happened in chapter 21: (view spoiler)

I finished chapter 21. I cannot stop listening now. What I thought would happen, happened in chapter 21: [spoilers removed]"
I have already purchased Travels with Charley: In Search of America and The Moon is Down, but thought after Charley I would listen to Cannery Row. There is a romantic follow-up to Cannery Row, but that looked kind of stupid to me! Sooner or later I am going to get bored with him. I wonder when.

Steinbeck does give us some beautiful lines, doesn't he?

I think the way Steinbeck describes the different family members makes their core characteristics so alive. How is he capable of summing up so clearly what makes each one what he is? Could you do that with your own family? It is not so easy. What is even harder is to try and figure out who you are yourself!!! I can sort of do it with my family, but to do it for yourself is hopeless. I think we know our own selves least of all! Why is that?
Ideas?
I am in chapter 23.



Clearly, Abigail, you DID remember a lot from your previous watching /reading of the book! I am referring to your message 9. This is all made absolutely clear in chapter 24. I love Steinbeck's message. I love the Hebraic interpretation which Lee investigated, and I loved Lee for doing that. And Steinbeck for writing it this way.
There is so much in this novel. The themes are jealousy, our need for love, parents' unequal behavior toward their children, and primarily what makes us fight to live and what makes us give up. Whiskey too, is another theme. He definitely makes us laugh. The messages are nuanced, they are not presented in black and white. I think it is for this reason that I do not find the writing preachy or the symbolism blatant.
This line I love: "My life is not a full orchestra any more." That is from Samuel, in chapter 24 too.
Lee, what a figure! I am so glad Steinbeck made him Chinese. Lovely!
There are so many themes; just about every aspect of life is covered, not just our need for love but how there are different kinds of love too!

As a side note, there is another major and quite lovable character named Lee in Cannery Row, Lee Chong, also Chinese and also speaks the "pidgin" language. I was happy to see how Steinbeck included a pleasant surprise regarding the "pidgin" language with "this" Lee in EoE!
I know we are both doing audio versions of EoE too which is another neat coincidence. I did pick up a Penguin classics paperback copy. Out of curiosity as the topic of rare books came up in a discussion with a friend last night, I looked up 1st editions of East of Eden to see any info about rare copies of it and came across some interesting information. One of the criteria in distinguishing first editions of EoE is a typo on "page 281/line 38" mistakenly as "bite" when it should read "bight" which I suppose is how collectors look to find authentic, real first editions of it. Collecting rare books is something I only dream about as it is an expensive hobby, but I like to see rare books in the glass cases when I visit the nice bookstores and read trivia online surrounding rare books that I wish I could own. For instance at times I'll look up prices online of 1st editions my most favorite/older classic books just for fun, knowing I'd never spend, for example, $2,000 for one rare 1st edition book! Anyway here is a link to the info on the EoE 1st edition just to look at for fun since the book is on our mind currently. Enjoy the rest of the story, I'll be checking back with you again after I get further in!

Abigail where do you look to find if one has a a valuable book? Is there a special site that gives you clues? Is it a place where you can look up any book?
So you DID look at Cannery Row last night!? Are you going to try Sweet Thursday? Yes, I also like the twist Steinbeck puts on Lee's usage of pidgin English. I like the respect that Steinbeck gives people who many others look down on.
I am wondering how Steinbeck sees people? Is it that some are born with evil tendencies, but that they ARE capable of fighting these tendencies? Reading this book, you cannot help but wonder.

As far as rare books, I'd start first with the internet, if you follow the link I posted for the 1st edition EoE on my above message, that seems to be a site devoted to info on 1st editions which you can search by title. Otherwise taking it to a trusted bookseller in your area, most librarians and booksellers are experienced enough to point you in the right direction on helping with questions on rare books. Did you have a few in your collection? I've always wanted to go to an Antiquarian book fair, they come around to my area each year, I'll have go check one out next time!

I like Hemingway, but avoid For Whom the Bell Tolls. A Farewell to Arms is much, much better. I have recently written reviews of both, if you are interested.


Steinbeck's lines can be beautiful, and I definitely agree with his message, but this book turned into a rant.






I really like Steinbeck's writing, but NOT this one! Repetitive, too simplified, too black and white. I could not even give it three stars b/c that means I like it and I didn't. It was just OK. Nothing more.


Nice you liked my reviews. Thank you for telling me. Sometimes I feel I should just stop writing them.

The other characters weren't unpleasent, but they weren't grabbing, either. Nothing exiting ever happend. When I was over, I felt I had wasted my time. I know depth and sending a message are important things but even if a book is the most intelectual and deep thing ever written by an author with a great writing style, I wouldn't like it if there isn't at least one character I care about. There were no interesting characters, relationships or events. The only thing I got out of this book was "Some people are evil, some good, some grey". I already knew that and I have read many books which show me the same thing and are MUCH better and with a much deeper exploration of the human soul.



To me this is his love letter and his masterpiece and when I need to make sense of the world I turn to the wisdom of Samuel and Lee and they put my inner life right again.
Adam Trask saw Kate as his salvation and built a world in his mind that had little Input by her. She used him for survival and because she was vulnerable and needed his protection took complete advantage leading him to believe that finally he found something to build his life on after so many years of wondering but once the vulnerability was past and she healed she needed out. He had his whole world planned on the idea of who he believed she was and then she shot him. Of course he lost his way. None of it meant anything without her. Anyway, I’m sorry this was not your cup of tea. Of course as people we take different things from a book, but respectfully, this book was not about venting. It was about encouraging, with a lot of joy that we are more than our worse parts and he does it with great empathy.
My favourite quote from the book is : Maybe we all have in us a secret pond where evil and ugly things germinate and grow strong. But this culture is fenced and the swimming brood climbs up only to fall back. Might it not be that in the dark pools of some men the evil grows strong enough to wriggle over the fence and swim free? Would not such a man be our monster and are we not related to him in our hidden water? I love that passage and have seen the truth of it played a time or 2 with people without consciousnesses.
Kudos to you for sticking with the book that wasn’t agreeing with you. It’s a long book with a lot of deep thoughts and philosophy and you’re right, it’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea. I’ve read once every decade for the last 40 years and I’ve gotten more out of it each time. Travels with Charlie is a wonderful little book but Cannery Row is pure delight and Grapes of Wrath is an extraordinary read. Not preachy, but definitely trying to make a point.

How we view a book will always be affected by our own personal experiences.