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East of Eden by John Steinbeck
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Although I do like Steinbeck’s strong, simple style of writing, this book let me down. With this book Steinbeck is delivering a message to his readers. I do agree with the message imparted, but I dislike that it is pounded into us. It isn’t enough to draw the story of Cain and Abel in one generation of a family, but Steinbeck repeats the story in the next generation of the family too. The message becomes a rant. God blessed Cain with freewill. That is the message, and it is up to us to choose what we will do with our lives. Will we succumb to evil or will we fight? The choice is up to us. Some of the characters will take up the challenge and others will not.

For me the story is too simplified. Look at the names: Charles and Cathy and Cal and Cain, all with the beginning letter C! Then there is Adam and Aron and Abra and of course Abel.

The book is a mix of fact and fiction. Steinbeck records the life of his own family, the Hamiltons, one of the two families portrayed in the novel. The other family, the Trasks, is fictional. The book has a slow start since one family is based in Connecticut; that is the Trasks. Steinbeck’s own family begins in the Salinas Valley of California. Slowly you learn about both; it takes a while to get all gathered in California where the action gets going. It is also a retelling of the story of Cain and Abel in Genesis.

Feminists may criticize Steinbeck for making Cathy, a woman, into a devil. A little search into Steinbeck’s own life quickly shows that Cathy is modeled on his second wife, Gwyn Conger. Authors do write from their own experiences. I do not make this criticism; I believe authors� best writing reflect their own life experiences. My complaint is the over simplification of the devil in Cathy; this turns it almost into a horror story. Maybe you enjoy horror stories!

Furthermore let it be said that those readers who are not drawn to character analysis and philosophizing should not choose this book. Here is a sample of Steinbeck’s way of writing, how he draws his characters and how he philosophizes:

Jo Valery got along by watching and listening and, as he said himself, not sticking his neck out. He had built his hatreds little by little, beginning with a mother who neglected him, a father who alternately whipped and slobbered over him, and it had been easy to transfer his developing hatred to a teacher who disciplined him and the policeman who chased him and the preacher who lectured him. Even before the first magistrate looked down on him, Jo had developed a fine staple of hates toward the whole world he knew. Hate didn’t live alone. It must have love as a trigger, a goad or a stimulant. Jo early developed a gently protective love for Jo. He comforted and flattered and cherished Jo. He set up walls to save Jo from a hostile world, and gradually Jo became proof against wrong. If Jo got into trouble it was because the world was an angry conspiracy against him, and if Jo attacked the world it was revenge and they darn well deserved it the sons of bitches. (Chapter 45)
Steinbeck spends many lines on what makes people behave as they do, how love and hate are tied together, one egging on the other! He gives us evil characters, good character and others that are more human, those like most of us who are a mixture of good and bad attributes.

Few authors are able to write masterpiece after masterpiece. I am giving this book two stars because there are interesting ideas and some tremendous lines, but the message is oversimplified and hammered into us. I still like Steinbeck. I gave The Grapes of Wrath five stars. I have chosen to immediately follow this book with Travels with Charley: In Search of America , now I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t appreciate Steinbeck’s writing, would I?! Actions say much more than words. Already I have begun listening to it and feel that this is going to please me much more. It too is a mixture of fact and fiction, but here the ideas presented are an elderly man’s thoughts and queries rather than a rant. And there is a dog! I like books with dogs. Charley is a French Poodle, kind of similar in appearance to Oscar sitting here with me on my avatar. Oscar is no Poodle, though most think he is either a poodle-mix or a sheep; he is a Curly Coated Retriever!

It is very important to pay attention to chapter 24. It sums up the whole book and is found less than half way through to the end. At the book’s conclusion someone dies with the Hebrew word “timshel� on his lips. You have to know what that word means. For those who need some help, here is a link: , that explains what this means and how it is important in the book. Reading this link is a bit of a spoiler, so I am giving you warning.

Finally, I listened to the audiobook narrated by Richard Poe. The narration was excellent. I have no complaints whatsoever. This audiobook was not available to me at Audible, since I live in Belgium, but it was available to me from Downpour
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March 7, 2013 – Shelved as: usa
March 7, 2013 – Shelved
March 7, 2013 – Shelved as: hf
March 7, 2013 – Shelved as: bio
March 13, 2013 – Shelved as: downpour
March 14, 2013 – Started Reading
March 19, 2013 – Finished Reading
July 5, 2015 – Shelved as: classics

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Abigail Were you able to track down an audio copy after all? I just started it this morning, already I'm very immersed in it! I can tell this is going to be a grand reading/listening experience! There is a mini-series from 1981 starring Jane Seymour as Kate Trask. I've seen it several times many years ago and back then I had not read the book. It is supposed to be a more true adaptation compared to the James Dean film which I hear is quite different from the novel [haven't seen that James Dean version though it is the more well known version.] If you can get hold of the 1981 mini series it might be enjoyable to check out after you read the book. Anyway enjoy!


Chrissie Abigail, YES!!!! This is what happened. I got a message from Downpour that they had a big sale, so I went and checked to see if EoE was available from this company rather than Audible, where I am a member. It was in fact available and if I joined Downpour I could get it free! so I joined and got it free. You can in fact quit any time. I got two Steinbecks for 15USD, two that are not available from Audible. The other one was The Moon is Down.

They also have The Book of Night Women which is not available from Audible, for me here in Belgium. I have heard that the narration by Robin Miles is fantastic. I will pick that up next month when I get a credit.

Abigail we are reading this at the same time!!!! I have listened to only two chapters, but it is definitely good. Samuel and Liza seem so different to be married to each other. Don't you think? Adam Trask's father, Cyrus, has a knack for making stories out of nothing. Now he is a military adviser! I think I will like Samuel.


message 3: by Abigail (last edited Mar 15, 2013 07:08AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Abigail That is wonderful news about Downpour! I have never heard about them but since they have titles that Audible doesn't have I should look them up! I'm so happy to hear you are getting to finally listen to E.o. E. as I knew you really wanted to. I like how coincidentally we have both started it at the same time! I know the story will truly grab hold of you as it already has for me. I am fascinated by Catherine! She is shocking, appalling and yet at the same time irresistible and truly unforgettable! I have been flying through my audio books lately but I'm going to slow my pace and take my time with this one. It's exciting to be reading this masterpiece. Feel free to keep in touch as you go forward with it and tell me parts you enjoy most as you go! I so look forward to reading your review at the end!


Chrissie Abigail, here is a link to Downpour:

First I was confused! Who is Catherine? She has just switched names from Cathy Ames to Catherine Amesbury, after her last evil deed. Or are her names spelled with a K instead?

I kind of miss the switch from the Trask family to the Edwards / Ames focus. I am trying to understand Charles' love for a father who never loved him, and his subsequent need to see his father as a hero. Adam is so much more clear-sighted. He is much easier for me to understand.

I most like learning about the Hamiltons. I am one who likes non-fiction over fiction. This switch to Cathy/Catherine has not drawn me in yet. I feel nothing for her. Not yet at least.

Ditto! Tel me you thoughts please. And I hope you write a review.

I liked that "Grapes of Wrat"h was about a real historical time. I loved the short chapters about "history". I miss those......


Chrissie Simran, I am having serious problems with Cathy as a character. I have read chapter 17. (view spoiler)

I feel that Steinbeck does a better job with the Hamiltons than the other characters. Samuel, I liked immediately; Liza grows on you too. I like how in her older age, she, who never allowed liquor, drank whiskey as medicine. It was OK if it is served on a teaspoon, even if the total quantity became substantial. :0) Made me laugh.

I also have trouble with Adam. As a child he was very perceptive; he understood the true nature of his father instinctively, but now as an adult he seems terribly thick-headed. Another "fictional" character. He just doesn't ring true. Usually you are or are not perceptive! A possible explanation is his being blown over by love?


Chrissie Steinbeck turns Cathy almost into (view spoiler). It is too much to believe.

I have trouble with the switch from Adam being a perceptive person into one who is totally blind. The extremes are too large. Yeah, it is possible that one might go overboard when finally presented with that which was before totally lacking. A person might do this, but somehow it does not ring true for me.


Abigail I just hit Chp. 20 last night!! I hope to spend some more time this weekend with it! I am probably alone in my opinion that I've always liked Cathy's character, even though she is so evil and cruel in the story. I think my fascination comes from how I don't believe Steinbeck turned her into a monster so to speak, but rather she displays murderous and perverse tendencies from a very early age, perhaps mysteriously "born that way." I see her as a debased version of the biblical Eve. The narrator himself struggles to understand her and revises his opinion of her throughout the novel. Descriptions of her with that empty look in her eyes that isn't human sends chills down my spine, chalk that one up to my love of horror stories I suppose ;] I really enjoy when other characters such as Sam and Lee had moments when they "begin to sense it" something in her that they can't explain, as that was exciting to find others uncovering her evil lurking beneath the surface. On a personal level I've seen someone close to me fall victim to a person like Cathy, otherwise sane and smart people can become totally dumbstruck by a woman like Cathy's beauty as Adam got overcome by her from the start. It seemed to build up that she walked in at just the right moment in his life too when he was vulnerable to needing a woman/wife when she appears on the doorstep. Nonetheless, Cathy comes across as a symbol of human evil that going back to the book of Genesis themes is present in the world, and her loss of control over Adam and others echoes the novel's theme that people have choice, we CAN reject evil in favor of good. Contrasting her, Samuel in those interactions with Lee has really won me over as one of my favorite characters too!


Chrissie I am in chapter 20 now. I know that Cathy (view spoiler) so now I am terribly curious and wondering if that has something to do with her behavior. That was a turning point. NOW I am just terribly interested in knowing what is moving Cathy, who she is and why.I don't think I understood her fully. Maybe all her actions are "understandable and believable" if I just knew more. So now I am enjoying the book again. I have to know what is going on. I have to get to the bottom of the truth.

Your analysis about how Steinbeck wants to state that people have a choice in choosing between evil and goodness seems very possible. I will have to see how this develops. I appreciate what you are saying. Good point!

So you have read this before? Don't you remember stuff right before something happens? That is what usually happens to me, with a reread.


Chrissie Abigail, it is very fun reading this at exactly the same time as you!!!!!!!


message 10: by Abigail (last edited Mar 16, 2013 10:35AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Abigail It is fun reading this at the same time!! I haven't read the book before but I am familiar with the movie mini series which stars Jane Seymour as Cathy. I used to work at a video store and I would put on movie/series while working in the store, but it's very long so I usually never got to the ending of it. This is good because now I really don't know what happens at the end! I am going to go back and watch it again when I am done with the book. I just rented the Cannery Row movie and plan to watch that this weekend, my Steinbeck weekend! :]


Abigail Here is a link to that East of Eden movie/series that I mentioned, just in case you would like to watch it after you read the book. It is a bit pricey because it is hard to find. Everyone seems to know about the James Dean version of the EoE movie, which I've never seen but I hear it really isn't like the book at all. Whereas this version I am linking, clocking in at almost 4 hours, is a much better adaptation.


Chrissie Thanks.

I finished chapter 21. I cannot stop listening now. What I thought would happen, happened in chapter 21: (view spoiler)


Chrissie Chrissie wrote: "Thanks.

I finished chapter 21. I cannot stop listening now. What I thought would happen, happened in chapter 21: [spoilers removed]"


I have already purchased Travels with Charley: In Search of America and The Moon is Down, but thought after Charley I would listen to Cannery Row. There is a romantic follow-up to Cannery Row, but that looked kind of stupid to me! Sooner or later I am going to get bored with him. I wonder when.


Chrissie Oh, I do love Samuel when(view spoiler) and Liza is good too! You know, the bit where she gives him the bible.

Steinbeck does give us some beautiful lines, doesn't he?


message 15: by Chrissie (last edited Mar 17, 2013 03:56AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Chrissie Would someone explain to me the title?! It is related to Cain and Abel. This is how far I get with the biblical story: Cain killed Abel because God accepted Abel's sacrifice but not Cain's. Quite simply Cain was jealous. Cain was the first murderer of all time and it was due to jealousy and a feeling of lack of love. Abel was the first murdered. Then Cain left the Garden of Eden and moved East. So he moved East of Eden, wasn't it to the land of "Non" or something like that? (ETA: Nod, according to Rebecca in message 19 below.) He becomes a perpetual wanderer. So why the title? And wasn't there something about how no one could kill Cain? I need some help here! My biblical knowledge is lacking. There is also that Cain was visibly marked. I am wondering about the visible mark - both Charles and Cathy had such a mark. Also, Cain, Charles and Cathy all begin with the letter C. Abel and Adam begin with A......

I think the way Steinbeck describes the different family members makes their core characteristics so alive. How is he capable of summing up so clearly what makes each one what he is? Could you do that with your own family? It is not so easy. What is even harder is to try and figure out who you are yourself!!! I can sort of do it with my family, but to do it for yourself is hopeless. I think we know our own selves least of all! Why is that?

Ideas?

I am in chapter 23.


message 16: by Rebecca (new) - added it

Rebecca Huston It was in the land of Nod, which was East of Eden where Cain found his wife. (I always wondered about that, surely it must have been incest...)


message 17: by Chrissie (last edited Mar 17, 2013 03:57AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Chrissie Rebecca, please explain your last sentence in more detail. Just put a spoiler on it if it is necessary.


message 18: by Chrissie (last edited Mar 17, 2013 04:23AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Chrissie I have read chapter 24 and this explains a lot, but not the title!

Clearly, Abigail, you DID remember a lot from your previous watching /reading of the book! I am referring to your message 9. This is all made absolutely clear in chapter 24. I love Steinbeck's message. I love the Hebraic interpretation which Lee investigated, and I loved Lee for doing that. And Steinbeck for writing it this way.

There is so much in this novel. The themes are jealousy, our need for love, parents' unequal behavior toward their children, and primarily what makes us fight to live and what makes us give up. Whiskey too, is another theme. He definitely makes us laugh. The messages are nuanced, they are not presented in black and white. I think it is for this reason that I do not find the writing preachy or the symbolism blatant.

This line I love: "My life is not a full orchestra any more." That is from Samuel, in chapter 24 too.

Lee, what a figure! I am so glad Steinbeck made him Chinese. Lovely!

There are so many themes; just about every aspect of life is covered, not just our need for love but how there are different kinds of love too!


Abigail I just hit Part 3/Chp. 23 which is where I hope to pick up and continue with later on today. I agree with what you say that there is so much in this novel, I'm really enjoying my time with it so far!

As a side note, there is another major and quite lovable character named Lee in Cannery Row, Lee Chong, also Chinese and also speaks the "pidgin" language. I was happy to see how Steinbeck included a pleasant surprise regarding the "pidgin" language with "this" Lee in EoE!

I know we are both doing audio versions of EoE too which is another neat coincidence. I did pick up a Penguin classics paperback copy. Out of curiosity as the topic of rare books came up in a discussion with a friend last night, I looked up 1st editions of East of Eden to see any info about rare copies of it and came across some interesting information. One of the criteria in distinguishing first editions of EoE is a typo on "page 281/line 38" mistakenly as "bite" when it should read "bight" which I suppose is how collectors look to find authentic, real first editions of it. Collecting rare books is something I only dream about as it is an expensive hobby, but I like to see rare books in the glass cases when I visit the nice bookstores and read trivia online surrounding rare books that I wish I could own. For instance at times I'll look up prices online of 1st editions my most favorite/older classic books just for fun, knowing I'd never spend, for example, $2,000 for one rare 1st edition book! Anyway here is a link to the info on the EoE 1st edition just to look at for fun since the book is on our mind currently. Enjoy the rest of the story, I'll be checking back with you again after I get further in!




Chrissie I am in chapter 31. Chapter 24 is very informative!!!! You ave a very good chapter ahead.

Abigail where do you look to find if one has a a valuable book? Is there a special site that gives you clues? Is it a place where you can look up any book?

So you DID look at Cannery Row last night!? Are you going to try Sweet Thursday? Yes, I also like the twist Steinbeck puts on Lee's usage of pidgin English. I like the respect that Steinbeck gives people who many others look down on.

I am wondering how Steinbeck sees people? Is it that some are born with evil tendencies, but that they ARE capable of fighting these tendencies? Reading this book, you cannot help but wonder.


Abigail I haven't watched the Cannery Row movie yet, maybe tonight. But last weekend I read Cannery Row, the book, just before EoE. I think this is the right order for me to approach 2 Steinbeck in a row - a lighter one then the heavier one. Since EoE is a lot of Steinbeck I'm taking a break from him for a while after EoE, moving on to couple in a row by E. Hemingway next! Talk about some powerhouses, going from Steinbeck onto Hemingway eh!

As far as rare books, I'd start first with the internet, if you follow the link I posted for the 1st edition EoE on my above message, that seems to be a site devoted to info on 1st editions which you can search by title. Otherwise taking it to a trusted bookseller in your area, most librarians and booksellers are experienced enough to point you in the right direction on helping with questions on rare books. Did you have a few in your collection? I've always wanted to go to an Antiquarian book fair, they come around to my area each year, I'll have go check one out next time!


Chrissie I don't have old Steinbeck's, no.

I like Hemingway, but avoid For Whom the Bell Tolls. A Farewell to Arms is much, much better. I have recently written reviews of both, if you are interested.


Chrissie Sometimes I think Steinbeck is working to hard to make his point about how we can do with our lives what we want to do with them if we make an effort. What do others think? Of course I love the lines, and Lee is my favorite of this book!


Chrissie I can rave about a book in the beginning and still realistically be disappointed by the end!

Steinbeck's lines can be beautiful, and I definitely agree with his message, but this book turned into a rant.


Jenny (Reading Envy) I haven't read this one. At the end of the day, I will claim to appreciate Steinbeck for what he contributed to American lit, but not claim to LIKE him, if that makes sense. It may feel heavy-handed now, but he was such a bastion of realism after people like Fitzgerald....


Chrissie I agree with you. I never see my reviews as judgment of a writer. They merely reflect my personal reaction to the given book. I think readers need these reviews too.


Abigail What an interesting experience you had with the book in the way you say you loved it in the beginning and it took such a sharp turn for you by the end! Overall I can see you did get something from the experience as you are a fan of Steinbeck you were able to see the beauty in the writing despite the heavy hitting message. I actually skimmed your review while I was still reading it and knowing that I was in for a hammering in of a message, I purposely tried to side step that and just focus on the the characters and that helped me get through it! So actually yes your review is very helpful in warning people what they are in for! Glad to read this alongside you, and excellent review!


Chrissie :0) Well, your review helped me see Cathy as a person that actually could exist!


message 29: by Hk (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hk I appreciated your thoughts because as a fan of Steinbeck I, too, was disappointed with this novel and particularly annoyed with the simplification of characters.


message 30: by Hk (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hk Oops, accidentally repeated myself and dont know how to delete! Appropriate since Steinbeck repeated himself here too :)


Chrissie Hk, I fixed it. Sometimes this happens with double entries. Under the the message on the right hand side it says delete. Click on that, but I did it for you.

I really like Steinbeck's writing, but NOT this one! Repetitive, too simplified, too black and white. I could not even give it three stars b/c that means I like it and I didn't. It was just OK. Nothing more.


Lucia Lazorova Hello, I'm just reading this book, and I'm very disappointed, too much drama, murdering, poison, adultery, etc. like an american thriller:)


Chrissie And you feel like the author's message is being hammered into your head!

Nice you liked my reviews. Thank you for telling me. Sometimes I feel I should just stop writing them.


message 34: by Vessey (last edited Dec 15, 2014 06:10PM) (new) - added it

Vessey Chrissie, I fully agree with you. I actually do like philosophy in books, so my complain isn't about the style. I disliked the plot itself and the characters. I didn't feel like there was much going on, really. I remember this book really vaguely, so I might not be the most reliable source if someone decides to base their opinion on mine. But from what I remember, his female protagonist (I should say antagonist, really) was an absolute nightmare and I couldn't understand the meaning of her story at all. While she was with the Trasks, I said to myself: "Ok, every story needs a villain. She provides the necessary ordeals for the family, in which they can prove or disgrace themselves or both. She moves the plot." BUT after she left them I didn't see the point of her being in the book at all. Nothing really meaningful happend when in came to her. Actually the opposite. As you say, it was like a horror story. The only thing I got out of it was "Cathy is a psychopath". But I already knew that. So what was the idea and what purpose it served?

The other characters weren't unpleasent, but they weren't grabbing, either. Nothing exiting ever happend. When I was over, I felt I had wasted my time. I know depth and sending a message are important things but even if a book is the most intelectual and deep thing ever written by an author with a great writing style, I wouldn't like it if there isn't at least one character I care about. There were no interesting characters, relationships or events. The only thing I got out of this book was "Some people are evil, some good, some grey". I already knew that and I have read many books which show me the same thing and are MUCH better and with a much deeper exploration of the human soul.


Chrissie I definitely like philosophical books, but I do not want to hear a rant. I in fact agree with what he is saying, but let the reader ponder, think. Don't spell everything out in black and white and don't repeat everything a million times. Now I am ranting so I better stop. :0/


Donna Excellent review, Chrissie.


Chrissie Donna, thank you....but you mar react differently!


Donna I might react differently, but I appreciate your analysis of it. It gave me much to think about.


Kandice I'm sorry this was a disappointment to you. I have to say, that paragraph you copied is a sublime example for me, but I can see how some wouldn't like it.


Chrissie I cannot take having a message pounded in as it is done here.


Sherry I grew up with a sociopathic narcissistic parent. The cruelty of his actions were inexplicable and hard to believe someone could be so cruel, cold and selfish especially unprovoked. If one hadn’t had experience with one such as he then maybe Cathy’s character seems impossibly unrealistic. But reading of her is like reading about him. I’ve read this book on a numerous occasions, especially when I’m needing to again understand my life a little better. Growing up, I struggled with the idea that I would be anything like him. Felt fear and self loathing for so much of my early formative years. I never saw East of Eden as a rant but a love letter to his sons. Telling them, This is our people. This is our history. And in so doing wrote one for us too. To encourage us that when we feel the nasty part of ourselves come up we have the choice to choose a different path. Having parents lacking the decencies of most human beings does not mean we are stuck on a path because of biology. Making bad choices and having angry thoughts do not make us stuck on that path either.

To me this is his love letter and his masterpiece and when I need to make sense of the world I turn to the wisdom of Samuel and Lee and they put my inner life right again.

Adam Trask saw Kate as his salvation and built a world in his mind that had little Input by her. She used him for survival and because she was vulnerable and needed his protection took complete advantage leading him to believe that finally he found something to build his life on after so many years of wondering but once the vulnerability was past and she healed she needed out. He had his whole world planned on the idea of who he believed she was and then she shot him. Of course he lost his way. None of it meant anything without her. Anyway, I’m sorry this was not your cup of tea. Of course as people we take different things from a book, but respectfully, this book was not about venting. It was about encouraging, with a lot of joy that we are more than our worse parts and he does it with great empathy.

My favourite quote from the book is : Maybe we all have in us a secret pond where evil and ugly things germinate and grow strong. But this culture is fenced and the swimming brood climbs up only to fall back. Might it not be that in the dark pools of some men the evil grows strong enough to wriggle over the fence and swim free? Would not such a man be our monster and are we not related to him in our hidden water? I love that passage and have seen the truth of it played a time or 2 with people without consciousnesses.

Kudos to you for sticking with the book that wasn’t agreeing with you. It’s a long book with a lot of deep thoughts and philosophy and you’re right, it’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea. I’ve read once every decade for the last 40 years and I’ve gotten more out of it each time. Travels with Charlie is a wonderful little book but Cannery Row is pure delight and Grapes of Wrath is an extraordinary read. Not preachy, but definitely trying to make a point.


Sherry OMG! This was so long! I’ve never posted something of this length on another’s review!


Chrissie Yep, that was long. Maybe you needed to get what your wrote off you chest.

How we view a book will always be affected by our own personal experiences.


Chrissie I simply don't like how Steinbeck hammers in his message.


Chrissie I understand your point better now.


message 47: by Brian (new)

Brian M. I agree with your summation and review 100%. Thank you for your thoughts.


Rose Thank you for your feminist insight. From the beginning description of Cathy we are led to believe that she is demonic, more than deeply flawed. The Madonna/Whore complex is plain. Steinbeck's sense of humanity obviously didn't extend to women.


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